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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:06 PM
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Obama can make me an enthusiastic supporter
and even a surrogate if he does one thing... filibuster telecom immunity in the FISA bill.

Since my candidate, Hillary, did not prevail I am now supporting Obama as the Democratic Party nominee although I am not exactly enthusiastic about it. As I stated previously, I will vote for him, but I can't commit to much more for now.

But there is one single thing that will make me an enthusiastic Obama surrogate and that is if Obama keeps his committment to filibuster any Telecom immunity in the FISA bill. I don't care if he prevails, I just want Obama to do it.

If he does just this one thing, he wins me over completely, heart and soul.

And if Obama doesn't filibuster telecom immunity, I understand and accept (probably better than most here at DU) political realities. It doesn't mean I won't vote for him. But if he does I will agree he really is different from the other politicians.

Mr. Obama, make me the believer that I want to be.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:20 PM
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1. I'd actually prefer to see him make sure it comes to a vote
after he's rallied enough support to vote it down. I realize this may not be possible, but that's what I'd prefer to see. While the filibuster can be a handy procedural move, and might be what is necessary in this case, it's a good sign of leadership to address the issue by swaying votes rather than avoiding the issue with a filibuster.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:22 PM
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2. Do you think Hillary would support such a filibuster?
I would like it to be filibustered also. But I'm wondering if you think Hillary will sign on to that.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:23 PM
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3. do NOT interrupt Obama girl!
or we will have you physically escorted from the studio!

:rofl:

There are many things he could do to earn my vote, but the most important thing he can do is speak to each of his constituent groups directly about the issues that matter to them.

This is a great issue because it crosses those boundaries. I'm still not sold on Obama, and no amount of browbeating or threatening will change that, but, hey, the election is still young, and I am a fair person.

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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:28 PM
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4. Everyone here should call Obama's Senate office and tell him what you think.
I called this morning and explained that although I don't live in IL that I am working in Ohio to get the man elected to the office of President and would he please vote against the FISA bill. The young man was very polite and took my information. He said that he had been getting a lot of calls on this issue. Peace, Kim
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:33 PM
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7. Did you follow that up with contacting Sen. Reid, and asking him
not to bring this bill to the floor for a vote?

That would be the way to win until after the elections.

If you haven't contacted him yet, please do.

If you have, then thank you.

Contact Senator Reid at (202) 224-3542

Also one should contact their Senators (even if GOP members),
because Obama's vote is not the only vote, if one is serious about
the 4th amendment issues affected by the FISA bill.

Here's a contact information list arranged in alpha order:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=32093&mesg_id=32093
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 04:25 PM
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10. Will do. Thanks. n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:01 PM
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12. Senator Reid needs to take this one for the team.
If he killed the bill there would be some media fallout against him for a few days but it would be quickly forgotten. If it goes up for a vote it puts Obama, and many Senators who were up for reelection in tough districts in a bad spot. It's not like Reid needs to worry about his seat.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:53 PM
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19. If Reid killed this bill he'd be a bloody hero, no doubt about it.

"media heat" from the Republican/neo-con MSM that gave us the Iraq war, and torture, is hardly something to be afraid of.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:31 PM
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5. Hmm.
So the one thing he needs to do is the one thing he's reportedly not going to do? Funny how that works.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:31 PM
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6. Sure, he could clone himself so he can be campaigning, filibustering,
fundraising, parenting, etc., all at the same time. Everywhere, whenever anybody wants him. Oh yeah, and of course he has to do that Muslim outreach that somebody wanted today.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 04:02 PM
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8. I think parenting has been off his list for a while now. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 04:03 PM
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9. Well, maybe we're only down to 10 or so clones he'd need to have
to make everybody happy.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 04:52 PM
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11. Could you link Hillary's statment on FISA?
I haven't read it.

Thanks!

:hi:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:05 PM
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13. I haven't a clue
she's not the nominee and I don't live in New York.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:11 PM
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15. funny how they are still obsessed with Hillary n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:16 PM
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16. I'm not obsessed with anyone.
I'd like to know how our Democratic leadership is going to handle this and that includes Hillary.

The OP mentioned Hillary and I thought he may have found a statement by her. So I asked.

FWIW, I've been looking for a statement by Levin and Kennedy daily as well.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:17 PM
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17. there won't be a filibuster n/t
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:56 PM
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21. "they". Of course. But don't you think she too should be taking a leadership role?
Or is that expectation "to be obsessed"?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:09 PM
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14. Welcome, single issue voter. Join the crowd in the lobby. NOTE: their issues are all different.
why should he filibuster it? Is this a modern day cross between "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" and "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"?

Obama will make me an enthusiastic supporter and citizen if he gets elected.

At this point, the things he does helping him to get elected as our next president are way, way more important than the things he does symbolically as a senator.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:33 PM
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18. If you think I'm a single issue voter
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 09:35 PM by Gman
you haven't read much if any of my posts. Although I do have a special, personal interest in seeing both Verizon and AT&T getting it shoved up their...

I want to be enthusiastic about Obama. He said he would filibuster telecom immunity. I want him to do it. I don't care if he prevails in the filibuster. I just want him to tell ATT, Verizon, et al that the law says CPNI is CPNI (customer proprietary network information). WHen you call the telephone company you must give them explicit permission to discuss your service according to their records. (You may not even realize you gave them permission when you did.) ATT, Verizon, et al have spent millions on lobbying for immunity for violating their own rules on CPNI and federal law. I want to see if he really is this different kind of politician and tells them they can't buy him and they can't get away with it.

And if he doesn't, it's not a deal breaker. I'll still vote for him. I would like to feel some enthusiasm rather than the usual abundant cynicism that I've had for many years now.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:56 PM
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20. read you loud and clear
I admit I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater sometimes as far as trying to tamp down what at times seems like chronic negativity about a person I consider one of the best candidates for president in a LONG TIME bar none.

I understand what you're saying. I really don't parse every single word uttered Obama because in the main I'm with him and like where he's going with all of this. But if he said or seemed to have said he would filibuster the bill and ends up not doing so...I take your point.

Were his comments about the bill brought up last year? Because I think this bill is slightly different than that one, no?
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 10:09 PM
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23. It isn't about being "a single issue voter", or about picking nits.
This issue has been with us for a long time and not just Obama but all the elected Dems know exactly what it's about and what kind of grassroots and mainstream opposition it has, and why. This is a signature Bush admin issue, and "caving" on it after a history of caving on everything since 2006 is not just wrong, it's totally repellent. Cenk of TYT sums it up correctly, how repellent such cowardice is.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:59 PM
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22. He shouldn't even consider voting for this bill
with or without the immunity. It strips the last pretense of freedom from warrantless surveillance -- guaranteed by the Constitution -- from just about everyone on the planet.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 01:08 AM
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24. Bush made me an enthusiastic supporter
Obama made me a grateful one. :think:
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