Help Hillary retire her debt: Contribute now!

[PresidentObama]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/specialthankyou/?sc=1905&utm_source=1905&utm_medium=e

She will return to the Senate soon, and plans on campaigning with Obama.

Her concession speech did more to bring about party unity than anyone.

While we may have questioned some of her tactics and parts of her strategy, she is still committed to electing Senator Obama in November!

So help and retire her debt so Hillary can focus on electing Obama and Democrats all across this country!

I just gave $20. It's not much, but I just gave $20 to Obama as well. So my money is tight, and this just made a little tighter. But I was happy to do so.

[polichick]

1. Your money is tight, the Clintons are mega millionaires...

...and you're retiring their debt. There's something wrong with this picture.

[PresidentObama]

2. Oh ok. Obama isn't poor by any means. Should I not contribute to him either?

And for the record, money is always tight with me.

It didn't stop me from donating to Edwards, and lord knows he's got money in the bank.

[polichick]

7. Hillary chose to keep spending long after it was over...

imo it's one thing to give to a campaign that's still viable, and another to bail out a very rich woman who foolishly went overboard.

[JoFerret]

197. And the fact that she did is an advantage. n/t

.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

203. Exactly !!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Because he's running for President.

Hillary isn't.

[JoFerret]

145. And with her support

we can win big in November.

[catgirl]

110. Contributing to a campaign and retiring a debt are two different things

The Clintons have plenty of money and should do the responsible thing
and pay the small guys and universities the money they are owed. Why
they haven't done this already is mind-boggling seeing that people are
losing their homes and businesses...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

121. I don't believe Obama can self finance a campaign on the 4 million dollars he earned in 07

I don't think the comparison stands as Obama is *currently* running for president.

[hokies4ever]

143. Obama campaign donations are going toward winning the White House, not his personal bank account

Just thought I'd tell you that in a friendly way before you get flamed for the obvious. Anyway, I think this is a good unity thread and it is a worthwhile and noble effort to try to help Hillary who has helped many Democrats. :patriot:

[polmaven]

151. I am very glad to see

that a vast majority of the Hillary supporters have easily transitioned to the Obama campaign, and that most of Senator Obama's primary supporters are welcoming us. It is still a little disturbing, however, to see how many, on both sides, continue to carry the animosity into the General.

Posts like yours and, of course the OP will help, but we grownups need to find a way to get it across to the immature children that hate and venom never helped a Democrat win. It is time for them to come off the playground before we send them to bed without supper!

[hokies4ever]

156. Thank you!

Living in Boston I sometimes take for granted the need to reach out to Hillary supporters (McCain doesn't stand a chance in hell here). I do think that Obama and Hillary campaigning together and fundraising together is another great step toward party unity and might help bring some of the unhappy Hillary supporters still wavering on voting for Obama into the fold. :patriot:

[emilyg]

4. The Obamas are far from poor.

[democrattotheend]

6. Yeah, but they don't have the money to self-finance

Obama's entire net worth is good for maybe a week of ads. He's certainly not poor, but he's not that rich by Senate standards.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Folks should do what they want obviously

There are always more good uses for money than there is money. But Hillary Clinton is not expecting to get repaid the 11 million dollors she loaned her campaign, her priority is the venders who have yet to be paid. And most of our top political leaders are fabulously wealthy by MY standards. At least the Clintons tithe.

[democrattotheend]

15. I'm considering donating

But want to wait to see if Obama asks us to, so that he can get credit. And if he doesn't, I'll probably wait until after the election, since debts don't have to be paid off by a given date but we only have 4 months to win the election, so I would rather all of my donation dollars go to Obama or the DNC or downballot candidates.

[polichick]

10. If he had foolishly overspent when he couldn't win...

I wouldn't worry about bailing him out either.

[DesertFlower]

37. me too and i've been his supporter since day 1. nt

[emilyg]

112. Primaries over. Get over it.

[TahitiNut]

61. The Obamas have 1/100th the wealth of the Clintons.

One one-hundredth! One percent. Go ahead and emphasize the affluence of the Obamas ... then MULTIPLY it by 100! That much bias would seem to be leaning within less than a single degree from the ground ... just about as prone as a snake.

[rodeodance]

117. give em time.

[MonkeyFunk]

135. That seems unlikely

Income isn't net wealth, remember.

[JoFerret]

146. That will change!

What is your point with that statement anyway?

The nobility of the poor?

[TahitiNut]

181. Isn't that cute?? Do you folks have a club? That's just darling.

:rofl: :rofl:

[JoFerret]

195. It's about time

you gave up on the unrelenting hostility and got with the program:
Democrats across the board in November.

[TahitiNut]

199. "unrelenting hostility"???

You're so funny! :rofl:

[JoFerret]

201. It's nice you find it amusing

Let's get with the bigger picture now.

[slick8790]

90. Yes, but he has certainly not made the kind of money the Clintons have in the last 7 years. n/t

[JoFerret]

198. But then... he is younger and has not been president for 8 years

I hate the flow of money in politics but it is ABSURD to claim higher ground for Obama on the basis of wealth.

[L0oniX]

226. JG Wentworth says "It's her money and she wants it now".

:evilgrin:

[Adelante]

3. The big donors will deal with this

Our bits of money need to go to Obama and the DNC, imo.

[polichick]

18. I would think some big donors might help - but really, there's no reason...

...she and Bill can't pay off the vendors ~ it's but a fraction of their fortune, which makes them "big donors" too.

[Flash Bazbo]

75. Where's Barbra Streisand now that the Clintons are hurting for cash?

[polichick]

82. Good question - wonder if she's supporting Obama now.

[sufrommich]

205. Yes,she is.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-streisand.html

[Adelante]

92. Yeah, but it will happen

It's the game. As long as I'm not the one to do the paying, eh.

[democrattotheend]

5. I'm waiting to see if Obama asks his supporters to contribute

Because if I do contribute I want him to get credit for it. But if she makes good on her promise to "work her heart out" for him, I will contribute. I might wait until after the election, because debts can be paid off at any time, while there are only 4 months until the election and I want all of the money I can donate now to go to Obama or the DNC or downballot candidates to help Democrats win.

[PresidentObama]

9. Never thought I'd be bashed for asking to contribute to a Democrat. But if it's a Clinton, ATTACK!!!

Seriously.

Politicians asking for their supporters to retire their debt. Is this new? Didn't think so.

I donate to the DNC. I donate to the Obama campaign.

I can give $20 to Hillary to retire her debt. Lord knows she'll do more than most of us could to ensure victory in November for not just Obama, but Democrats.

[polichick]

12. It's not "bashing" to disagree - you are asking others to follow suit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Who's bashing you?

I mean besides Thomas Tusser?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

204. I don't think it would be like this if you were saying Richardson,

or Biden, or someone else who dropped out with honor and grace. But she didn't
She selfishly stayed in for 1) some kind of personal gratification or some
sort, and/or 2) to sully Obama.

It was mathematically impossible for her to win back on March 4th. Yet
she chose to hang on for absolutely no valid reason - but self interest.

Why in the world would anyone want to pay for that? It was totally
her own doing.

[Zavulon]

11. I'd sooner place a down payment on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Hillary put herself in that hole, and the family isn't poor. The idea that I should cough up my hard-earned money so that she can "focus" is absurd.

Further, I saw nothing remarkable about her speech, which was much more about her than it was about Obama, and I'm not even remotely convinced that she wants him to win.

Also, there's no way I'm rewarding her for her RFK comment and her stupid sniper fire lie.

Obama doesn't need her help to defeat the stiff he's running against, and I seriously question her sincerity anyway. I wouldn't give her a cent at gunpoint.

[democrattotheend]

17. Sadly, I think he does need her help

I don't think he needs to offer her the VP slot, but I think she is still powerful enough behind the scenes that she can make a difference one way or another. Like it or not, she has a following, and it's not 18 million people as she would like us to think (half the people I know who voted for her wish they had voted for Obama, and almost all of them will vote for Obama in November), but it is enough people that she could make a difference one way or the other. She could probably undermine him behind the scenes and cost him the election if she wanted to. I am not accusing her of that, just saying we can't just toss her aside and think that he doesn't need her help.

[polichick]

21. It's so creepy that this is really about bribes to keep her in line.

[CakeGrrl]

31. Yep. Implication is that we should contribute so Hillary will do her best to support Obama

:wtf:

I wonder...where exactly are those "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" to pitch in a measly $1 or $2 each to get her way over the hump?

[democrattotheend]

34. I did not say that

I am just saying that he does need her to campaign for him, and we do need her voters. Some Obama supporters have gotten arrogant and acted like we don't need Hillary's voters to win. I was just pointing out that she does have a following and we do need her supporters and that probably means he needs her full support. I did not mean to imply that she needs to be bribed.

[CakeGrrl]

63. I wasn't referring to your comment personally, just the general idea

The concepts that Obama needs people who voted for Hillary (broadly, yes) and that he needs Hillary's support have become interwoven with the speculation about helping her with debt relief.

It's just my gut reaction, but I don't think she's prepared to support Obama without some concessions for herself.

Time will tell.

[polichick]

85. "She could probably undermine him behind the scenes...

...and cost him the election if she wanted to."

This is how you put it. So if we have to placate her this way in order to have her full support, isn't that really the same thing as a bribe?

[sufrommich]

207. You're basing your allegation on a DU post? nt

[greguganus]

99. More like extortion. n/t

[polichick]

102. I think you're right!

[JoFerret]

147. He needs Hillary

(We all do)

[Zavulon]

27. I don't know of a single Hillary voter who

is so pissed off that he or she would go vote for McStain. Even if there are some who would, the debates should take care of that. McStain's only hope of beating Obama is if Obama gets caught naked in the Mayflower with little boys, teaching them to shoot heroin and strangle puppies.

[Beacool]

64. You don't?

There are plenty in my neck of the woods......

[Zavulon]

70. Not a one, no.

Obama is so much closer to Hillary than McStain is that only a spiteful piece of shit could even think that way. I know some assholes, but no pieces of shit quite that spiteful.

[Beacool]

83. Well, come to Jersey and you'll meet some.

LOL!!

[Zavulon]

109. Thanks for the invite, but I'll pass. :)

I don't think it's polite to scream "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?" upon first meeting someone, and I'm not sure I could help myself.

[Beacool]

202. OK, but don't say I didn't invite you.

:7

[musicblind]

91. In my actual personal life so far. I know of one.

I was shocked and confused about it too. He is going to vote for Nader now. I explained to him why I think this is a bad idea. He says he'll vote for Obama if Hillary is VP. :shrug: I look at it this way though, I still have 4 months to convince him to vote for Obama anyway. He's a very progressive individual, and I'd like to wait until October before I start to feel too disappointed. He really is a good, caring person who wants a better America. A liberal, VERY liberal. So I don't know ...

[Beacool]

209. I know several Hillary staffers and volunteers who are now working for Nader.

I got a call from a guy last night who volunteered in several states during the primary and now is volunteering for Nader. He said that he thought it out and that he liked what Nader had to offer. BTW, he's 25 years old and AA. Go figure.......

:shrug:

[DesertFlower]

40. so we have to pay her for her help.

what about all the other democrats who will be campaigning for obama? should we give them a few bucks too?

[democrattotheend]

54. I did not say that

I just said we can't take her and her supporters for granted. I did not say we have to contribute to pay off her debts. But if Obama asks us to I think we should consider it.

[DesertFlower]

65. even if obama asks me i will not.

bill can make that money by giving a few speeches.

[greguganus]

100. Me either. Even if I hit the lottery. n/t

[DesertFlower]

104. same here.

there are much better ways to spend our money. our food banks need money, meals on wheels has had to cut their deliveries and the red cross's disaster fund is almost depleted. i just sent them $100 to help with the floods and i gave the Humane Society $50 for the animals left homeless by the floods. i could go on an on about good causes and hillary clinton is not one of them.

[cloudbase]

16. Don't spend what you don't have.

Besides, how much will go into her pockets to repay the loans she gave her campaign? Did she charge her campaign interest on those loans?

No, thanks.

[democrattotheend]

20. She said that she is not expecting to get that money back

She said that the other day on a conference call with donors.

[greguganus]

19. She should get a couple of library donors to help her out. n/t

[Araxen]

23. +1

[mod mom]

55. like this one that Bill assisted w a uranium mining deal in Kazakhstan:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip

snip

"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

[catgirl]

111. I agree

Those Saudis should write the check.

[Araxen]

22. She's the one that drug it out

and I'm not going to reward her for that by helping pay off her debt. She should have ended the campaign a month or two earlier when everybody else but her knew that the math meant it was impossible for her to win.

[PresidentObama]

24. Did she REALLY hurt Obama staying in? He's leading by 15 points two weeks later.

Give me a fucking break.

[Skidmore]

25. Have you read any of the Rs talking points lately?

Many were written by her campaign complete with soundbites spoken by herself.

[PresidentObama]

28. Are you new to politics..or??

Edwards bashed Kerry in 2004 for several of the same things that the GOP attacked him for.

Who did Kerry pick anyway in 04?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Did Edwards say Bush was more qualified than Kerry?

Did he question Kerry's patriotism?

[PresidentObama]

30. Clinton never said McCain was more qualified.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Kerry and Edwards.

Did John Edwards ever say, "“I think that since we now know Pres. (George) Bush will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold. I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Pres. Bush has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Kerry with respect to his candidacy?”

[PresidentObama]

35. Fact still remains, Clinton never said McCain was more qualified.

No matter how you want to twist or distort what she said.

[lojasmo]

106. She was against him before she was for him. ;)

Seriously, how can you parse her statement(s) to mean anything but McCain is more qualified?

I mean, sure, that isn't a direct quotation, but the spirit of the two statements is that of a more qualified McCain (and Clinton) and a less qualified Obama.

[polmaven]

152. And she NEVER, EVER

questioned his patriotism! I really, really wish more Democrats here would grow up and let go of their animosity against OTHER DEMOCRATS!!!!!

[beac]

183. Um, actually she DID:

on March 6, 2008....


“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

(snip)

“There are certain critical issues that voters always look to in a general election. National security experience (and) the qualifications to be commander-in-chief are front and center. They always have been. They always will be,” she said.

She said she and McCain had traveled to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan together as she repeated a line that surfaced from the campaign trail. She and McCain “bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, Clinton said, while “Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002,” stating his opposition to the Iraq war as an Illinois state senator.


http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_ive_crossed_commanderi.html

[miles 2 go]

164. Yeah, she hurt Obama by giving McLame sound bites

of her saying that McLame was better than Obama. More qualified, more experienced don't cha know.

Nothing to pay off Hillary. She either supports Obama or she doesn't. No bribes, no rewards, no extortion.

Obama will have to deal with this kind of shit as president, so he might as well get used to it now. Don't let them force you to do what they want, Obama.

[JoFerret]

196. What nonsense

have you heard of democracy?

[miles 2 go]

220. What nonsense? Have you seen the pug for pres ads?

What I/m hearing is that they are using these very same sound bites to show that even dems don't think Obama is good enough.

[Skip Intro]

123. The people of NV, NH, MI, FL, NJ, MA, NY, AR, OK, CA, AZ, NM, TN, OH, RI, PA, IN, KY, PR, SD, and

TX might disagree with your statement.

She allowed each state to have a voice. And right up until the end, many voiced their preference for her.

There's no such thing as too much democracy.

[Medusa]

157. There's no such thing as a free ride either. Make her pay up

and settle her debts. Or let the people in those states who voted for her contribute. She's not getting a single penny out of me. And I refuse to donate anymore to Obama until I'm certain he's not going to bail her ass out.

[JoFerret]

206. Yep. Obama should pay her for every time she

endorses him or joins him on the campaign.

What do you think? Fifty thousand per appearance or what?

[miles 2 go]

165. I'm IN and I think Hillary is still being a brat and acting way too much

like the jackasses we have now in power. Exactly like them.

[JoFerret]

148. She did us all a favor with that

And Obama most of all.

[DesertFlower]

26. i wouldn't give her a dime.

let her pay her debt with her own money. she's got enough of it. i think it's sleazy to ask people to pay it for her.

[PresidentObama]

32. Good for you.

[NYC_SKP]

36. How about we send all of our $$$ to B.O. through November, then..

help her get out of the hole she put herself in?

Really, which is more important?

[PresidentObama]

38. I've given Obama more money 5 to 1.

I can donate however I want.

Just as you can, as well.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. That's why I'm giving my money to John Travolta.

He needs a new wet bar for his 747. And he needs our help!

[PresidentObama]

46. Senator Clinton will do more to elect Obama than you or I will.

Mocking her for asking her supporters to help retire her debt is insane!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. LOL

Her asking us to retire her debt is insane, and only rivaled by people falling for it.

[PresidentObama]

51. Is candidates asking for help retiring debt new?

And if not, where is your posts bashing other candidates in the past who have done so?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. What's the record for campaign debt in a lost race?

And how much was Clinton's?

[Name removed]

53. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[JoFerret]

149. Not very savvy

politically are you?

[Radical Activist]

57. Or let Bill give a few speeches in Dubai.

Its not like they need us little folks to give them money.

[moriah]

158. Agreed! That's been my plan.

I had a $25.00 monthly donation for Hillary. However, I think in April I cut it off. I gave Barack $75 this month and started the $25 monthly recurring for him instead.

Right now that's about all I can afford. I don't want that money going to Hillary's debt right now, but I'll help her out after the election.

[Lucky 13]

39. Why should the little people pay off the debt of a millionaire who knowingly OVERSPENT???

She is a MILLIONAIRE. I am one missed paycheck away from living in my car. She could cover this debt and not even feel a PINCH in her pocketbook, yet the overburdened middle class should bail her out?

Maybe she should have created a sensible campaign budget and stuck to it, instead of SPENDING AND SPENDING AND SPENDING when she didn't have the money. She DELIBERATELY ran up her debt. If I behaved in the same manor, no one would be coming to my rescue to bail me out.

I find this request LAUGHABLE.

[PresidentObama]

43. When it involves the Clintons: Bitch, moan, repeat!

Do as you wish. I, however, can request as I wish.

[greguganus]

101. I'll send you an email from a Nigerian banker who can help you get the funds for Hillary.

:rofl:

[ecstatic]

136. I thought Bill was for welfare reform

:shrug:

[Genevieve]

41. She and Bill are worth way over One Hundred Thirty Million Dollars,

And that is not including their multi-million dollar residences. jewelry, art,other possessions, etc.

No, thanks, I'll pass.

[PresidentObama]

44. Remember how big Edwards house was? Didn't stop me from giving him roughly $500 total

I don't base who I donate to off of their income.

If I did, then...well, I wouldn't donate ever.

[greguganus]

103. What's that saying about a fool and his money? n/t

[Genevieve]

127. Edwards never said McCain was more qualified candidate

than Obama.

Nor did Edwards "innocently" insinuate assassination. Or undermine Obama supporters.

And, he did not pile on the debt - He dropped out in a timely manner.
Hillary stayed in the race way past the time
there was any chance of her securing the nomination.

[my2sense]

45. I don't think she wants my money

I refuse to reward her for her tactics during this campaign. Why should we finance her ego driven crusade to get into the white house at all costs? Anyway-she had clearly decided my vote did not matter because I am not a "working class white". So if she doesn't want my vote, surely she doesn't want my money. I'm sure Bill & Hillary have more money in their bank account than I will ever see in a lifetime.

[cbayer]

47. Who would have thought that asking people to help the second place candidate,

who brought out the vote and rallied the Democratic troops, would stir up such vitriol

I should be surprised, but I am not.

[PresidentObama]

49. They've never spoke out against Democrats asking for help to retire campaign debt before.

But once the name says "Clinton" they're attacking in full force.

They say "Oh, but the Clintons are rich"

So was John Edwards, John Kerry, and Barack Obama.

And I don't regret a single dime I gave them.

[cbayer]

59. I am very hopeful that once she starts actively campaigning for Obama more will come around.

I saw a lot of previously vicious Clinton detractors make huge changes in their attitude after her concession speech. There are still some hold-outs, but I think it will get better.

I appreciate your post and will be donating to both Clinton and Obama.

[PresidentObama]

62. I felt the same when Kerry started campaigning for Obama. It's true a lot of anti-Kerry feelings....

...were finally eased.

But a lot of it still lingered.

[karynnj]

89. I would consider that if Clinton associates were not

speaking of something akin to an enemies list even after she lost. I have not seen her reach out to her supporters in MA and tell them that she respects their Senators and knows how much they have helped the country and that, though she would have preferred getting their support, there were no hard feelings. (after all they and Hatch were the three people most responsible for S-CHIP, which became her biggest accomplishment in the primaries.) The last I heard re Kerry, the Clintons said he "was dead to them". She also never commented on Carville caling Richardson, "Judas".

The Clintons in these over the top reactions were divisive and they still need to work their way back by rejecting those extreme statements. Diid you here Kerry, even once, attack Gore (who he endorsed and worked for in NH in 2000, over Bradley) because he endorsed Dean. (I personally can't picture Kerry saying, "Gore is dead to me".)

Kerry did nothing wrong campaigning for Obama - and unlike WJC often included Clinton and Edwards with Obama when making comparisons with McCain.

[PresidentObama]

93. Link to where Hillary said Kerry was "dead to them"

Sounds made up or distorted to me...

[karynnj]

96. From the paper of record, the NYT

" Mr. Kerry, however, endorsed Mr. Obama shortly after the New Hampshire primary. To this day, the Clinton and Kerry camps disagree over whether Mr. Kerry had made promises to intermediaries not to take sides.

He then publicly criticized Mr. Clinton’s conduct before the South Carolina primary. “And he was dead to us,” said one prominent Clinton supporter who is, in his words, “not authorized to trash Kerry on the record.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/politics/20loyalty.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&sq=Clinton%20Kerry%20dead%20to%20me&st=nyt&scp=2

There are plenty of stories that show the political risk Kerry took in making this endorsement - and Clinton and her MA supporters are still angry at him.

[PresidentObama]

97. So Hillary nor Bill said it? Some unnamed source did.

Distortion, knew it

[karynnj]

114. Read the full article

that quote was a HRC supporter - but there are plenty of quotes that show a level of harassment that is atypical in politics.

[PresidentObama]

125. But nothing from Bill or Hillary? Didn't think so.

[polmaven]

153. The quote was

"an HRC supporter"....well, sure...but allegedly so are many of the people on many blogs out there.

Sorry, but a "source" who is not willing to speak on the record is not worth listening to.

[karynnj]

180. I'll concede that the words were not the Clintons,

if you concede that there is - in this article and many others - a thought that the Clintons created a culture where people like the MA Senators and Bill Richardson had their integrity or their positions of feminism attacked because they endorsed Obama. The words weren't theirs, but the sentiment certainly seemed to be.

HRC has not returned to the Senate yet -- when she does - we can watch her interactions to see if she holds a grudge. I really did not see Bradley hold one against Kerry and Kennedy for their endorsing Gore shortly before NH, where Gore narrowly won. I didn't see Kerry hold one against Gore for endorsing Dean.

[polmaven]

182. I will concede only

that the media created a "thought" about what Senators Kennedy and Kerry MAY have been thinking. I do not concede that it is the truth! The "sentiment" seeming to be is wholly in the eye of the beholder.

Perhaps it is time for all of us to follow the lead of OUR candidate, and STOP with the attacks on Senator Clinton.

[politicasista]

184. Nobody is attacking her

What's wrong with pointing out an article? :shrug:

[karynnj]

187. I was responding to someone who had resented Kerry endorsing Obama

It was NOT what the media thought the MA Senators thought - but what the Clinton supporters were saying. Do you deny that the Clinton supporters attacked Kerry, Kennedy, and Richardson - in turn - when they endorsed. It was not the media - it was people allied to the Clintons.

Saying that that happened - when it did - is not an attack on the Clintons. The fact is it is the Clintons who need to reconcile with all of us. HRC also needs to cut the gender discrimination nonsense - Over 50% of Democrats were prepared to vote for her in the primary, fully knowing she was a woman - she lost them through things she and Bill did.

[Beacool]

223. Trust me on this one,

Richardson deserved the epithet. You don't lie to your friend to his face and then turn around and call his wife's opponent and tell him that when you return from vacation you are going to endorse him. That's cowardly and low.

Unlike Kerry who may have endorsed Obama because he truly thought he was better for the job, Richardson did so out of self interest. If Hillary had been winning the nomination, he would have never endorsed Obama. I didn't see so much anger directed at anybody else who chose to endorse Obama as I saw with Richardson, insiders were furious at him.

[miles 2 go]

170. Depends on if she is "actively campaigning" without the extortion or with it.

[cbayer]

178. What extortion?

I don't understand where that come from.

[miles 2 go]

169. Actually, I think it's more in the way she "asked" for it

Insinuating that If Obama gave her the VP, then If he paid off her debt for her then, she would campaign her little heart out for him.

It's extortion. It's fucking republican tactics and we are balking on it. Damned straight we are!


Prior to his election, I loved Bill. Hillary so so. But watching them use the pug play book only sealed in my mind that they are too deep in DC to ever bring about real change. Sure they would be better than Bush (so would Mickey Mouse) and I would have voted for her over any pug...but she acts like one of them way too frequently. Extortion and all.

[cbayer]

179. I wrote the other reply before I got to this.

The idea that Clinton has demanded the VP slot or only agreed to campaign if Obama pays off her debt is conjecture. There is absolutely nothing to back it up. It is a story whose roots lie in the mis-perception of Clinton as a vile and evil person. If you loved Bill and were neutral on Hillary then, but can now manufacture this much overt hatred, I think you should ask yourself how that really happened. Did they really change or have you been sold a bag of goods by the media, whose primary purpose seemed to be to vilify them during this campaign? There is nothing, I repeat nothing, remotely Republican about Hillary Clinton. You have been used.

[miles 2 go]

221. You go give her your money then tell me which of us has been used,

[Beacool]

222. Hear, hear!!!

People who revile Hillary don't know her. She's one terrific person and one of the most compassionate people I've ever met.

[mod mom]

50. It really upset me that she accepted $400 from a young boy who sold his bike, games etc.

The Clinton's are multi-millionaires who are too connected to the corporate forces that are destroying this country-imho. I believe my money is better serves in support of people/causes that I whole heartedly support.

[NYC_SKP]

81. While campaign staff were living large in the early part of the Campaign.

And Penn's firm was making how many millions?

Kinda like a microcosm of life under Hillary as president, if you ask me: poor getting poorer, rich getting richer, debt and glory, glory and debt.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I was for Obama out of the gate.


She ran a fiscally sorry campaign and she can damn well wait to be rewarded with contributions.

Those who want the Democrat should go 100% for O now, then help her out if they care to, after November.

Anything less is bullshit.

[Radical Activist]

56. The concession speech where she kept arguing why she should be the nominee?

Even that one was several months too late. Hillary is the new Lieberman until she proves otherwise.

[JVS]

58. Ohh! A hardliner!

Good to see you around.

[JoFerret]

150. She didn't but

she did make it very clear throughout the campaign that she was a terrific candidate.

Outstanding. One of the very best for decades. We had so many great candidates this season. And now we have one to support to victory in November. And he has a deep bench including the strength and power, intellect and competence of Hillary.

[Beacool]

60. Nice try,

your sentiments were honorable. But it doesn't work on this board, that's why I didn't even bother to start a thread on this subject.

I'm sending money regularly to her campaign. Like you said, it's my money and I can do what I want with it.

Thanks again for your support!!!!!

:hi:

[PresidentObama]

68. No problem, friend!

:hug:

[lojasmo]

66. Done. I hope.....

She pays the vendors before herself and Penn.

[Beacool]

67. Some of you should read this:

Obama's campaign needs her more than you think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6401218

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

71. Exactly.

We should be contributing to the Obama campaign. Not Clinton's debt.

[Beacool]

76. One hand washes the other.

You help us, we help you.

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. There is no "us" and "you"

There's "us" and McCain.

Are you actually suggesting that Clinton's prostituting her support for the dem nominee in exchange for paying off the campaign debt?

[Beacool]

80. No I'm not,

but a good Democrat would help another Democrat. This was a nice thread asking people to give her a hand, but many of you saw it fit to spew your usual vitriol. So yes, it appears that it's still "you" and "us".

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. Silly me.

I thought you just said "one hand washes the other," implying exactly that.

[bvar22]

129. Nice campaign ya got there........

....be a shame if something happens to it.
Me & my boys, ya know, we could stick around and make things smooth for you.


:rofl:

[butterfly77]

124. A lot of your us's were

the republiCONS...

[miles 2 go]

172. that's the republican way

after all

[Radical Activist]

74. Even though Obama raised more in the primary?

Clinton started out with a larger donor network than Obama and she still couldn't keep up. Besides, Hillary's big donors who were only giving to side with a winner will give to Obama regardless.

[Beacool]

79. Don't be so sure.

Some of her big donors expect his help in retiring her debt before signing up.

Tit for tat........

[CakeGrrl]

84. Those Big Donor extortionists aren't really about the Democratic Party, then

It's Obama or McCain. Voters who don't have Big Donor money need to decide which candidate won't sink their finances further into the muck. It's not a brain teasing decision.

Big donors apparently have enough money not to really care who's in the White House, but they seem to enjoy throwing their influence around because their egos demand it. Disgusting.

[miles 2 go]

173. Tit for Tat?

and u say u r not suggesting that she prostitute herself in the form of "buy me by paying off my debt."

Tit for tat indeed

[beac]

188. That's called asking for a bribe.

And it's shameful.

[Life Long Dem]

69. Well...

:hurts: Try throwing some of that assistance toward Obama.

[PresidentObama]

72. Read the OP, I did.

[SoCalDem]

73. 18 million Hillary voters x $2.00 = $36 million

They should all send her campaign $2 each :)

[DesertFlower]

98. good point. nt

[jgraz]

77. I'll do even better: I've hooked Bill up with some oil sheiks I know from Dubai.

They should be good for a few million at least...

[Medusa]

86. Let her pay her own campaign debts.

She kept piling them up long after it became apparent to everyone and their house cat that she couldn't win the nomination. So let her come off of some of that personal fortune she's accumulated and pay her debts. It's the responsible thing to do.

[NYC_SKP]

88. Does her debt interfere with her focus?

So help and retire her debt so Hillary can focus on electing Obama and Democrats all across this country!

I trust your sincerity and actually sympathize with you for some of the replies, but...

Your wording suggests that one event is prerequisite to the other, and that could too easily be seen as: a.) Bribery or b.) Blackmail.

It tends to diminish the positive spirit you most surely intended to impart.

[miles 2 go]

176. My debt is interfering with my focus

and if y'all could just donate about 1 million, I'm sure I will get better. See only 1 million not 20. That's just how reasonable I am.

[Forkboy]

94. I have 13 bucks and some change. She has 109 million.

I think I'll let her handle her own debt, and if I did have more money it would go to food pantries and the like...you know, the people who actually need the help.

[JVS]

108. Dude, are you being divisive?

:spank:

[Danger Mouse]

95. I can't really even afford to give anything but if I did, it would be to Obama...

I wouldn't give Hillary Clinton a damn nickel.

[greguganus]

105. Can't we just help Hillary retire? I'd contribute to that. n/t

[PresidentObama]

120. Yes lets advocate getting RID of Democratic Senators. Wow, you're smart

Just because you don't like her doesn't mean shit.

The Clintons have done more for the Democratic party and this country than most of us could dream of.

[MessiahRp]

107. No way would I ever pay off Mark Penn's debt

That bastard's partner is working on John McCain's staff. Sorry Hillary knew the math had conclusively defeated her months ago but stubbornly she kept pumping her own money into this campaign and racking up debt when there was no reason to do so. Someone mentioned vendors being repaid but when millions of this are owed to failed idiot advisors like Penn, I say there is no reason to pay that debt and give more money to someone who tried to be a cancer to our primary race.

Rp

[beac]

190. Indeed. Why aren't those "big donors" demanding that Penn

write off what he's owed as 'bad debt." THAT would certainly help the process along, no?

[Truthfulone]

113. I'm broke but

I'll chip in with $30.

[rodeodance]

116. :-)

[Asgaya Dihi]

115. They took in over 100 million since leaving the White House

I won't go over the campaign again here but as you said in your post "we may have questioned some of her tactics and parts of her strategy", and we did. It should have ended long before it did and if someone has to pay for the choice she made to continue it right up until the end then she seems in a better position to cover it than most of us are. It's not just her, it's the idea in general of politicians asking us to donate nickels and dimes to pay for their choices when they've got millions they aren't donating for themselves, it's a loan if it's anything at all.

If they were hurting and needed the help, sure, or if they were even splitting the cost with us maybe, or if she had pulled out earlier for the good of the party an argument for it could be made. But if they can cover the full cost of things and still be left rattling around mansions with millions in the bank then it seems more a matter for her to work out. They don't need the help. Not to do it her own way regardless of what we thought about it or who it helped/hurt and right up until finally forced out at the end.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

118. Kidding? She stayed in long past the time she should have quit

just for personal glory. Why the hell should we pay for her whim. She was mathematically
out on March 4th. Pay for all the time she trashed the presumptive nominee. hell no.

[Hieronymus]

218. Sounds right to me.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

119. Currently, every cent I have to spare is going to Obama. The election is paramount.

However *post* election, I would be happy to contribute.

[LeftyMom]

122. Not only no, but hell no.

In terms of my big list of things I can do with my money "give it to Hillary Clinton" ranks someplace below "see how many papercuts I can give myself with US currency."

[reclinerhead]

126. Disagree

Why not instead give your $20 to a local charity that really needs it? Or keep it and buy an extra 4 gallons of gasoline?

The Clinton's (combined) won't have a problem making $50+ million again next year.

[Genevieve]

128. I totally agree.

n/t

[Dems to Win]

130. AFTER Clinton says "Obama won the nomination fair and square"

I will consider sending her money AFTER Hillary and her surrogates state in public "Senator Obama won the nomination fair and square" at least 100 times.

This is not a desire for revenge on my part, or wanting to hit her when she's down. I have no desire to do that -- I'm sure she's hurting enough.

It is necessary, though, because too many of her supporters and the general public feel that Obama somehow stole the nomination. Clinton fostered that feeling of injustice, with her repeated claim of winning the popular vote and the 'electoral vote' (sic). This is the source of bitterness that MUST be healed if Democrats are going to have any hope of winning, up and down the ticket. Clinton has to be the one to correct the erroneous statements she's made, and the subsequent misunderstanding and bitterness among her supporters.

[DeepModem Mom]

131. Thanks, Kerry. We at our house have contributed -- to Hillary, and to Obama. nt

[my3boyz]

132. When hell freezes over! I will not pay her for stabbing Obama in the back. She continued

on even though she knew there was no chance to win. She wanted to knock him down a little more. Perhaps Obama can forgive and forget but I'm gonna have to remain bitter just a little longer. If she showed genuine remorse for her behaviour this campaign season then perhaps I would be more likely to help her. Right now all I can see is her standing there screaming MEET ME IN OHIO wiht bobblehead behind her. Ugh

[Beacool]

138. Stabbing Obama in the back????

Way too funny!!! Hillary was his opponent, not his buddy. Why should she feel remorse, for what, for campaigning???????

Please............

[my3boyz]

142. She was not simply campaigning, Biden, Edwards,Dodd,

Kucinich and others were simply campaigning. None of them ever said that John McCain was qualified to be president while Barack only had speeches.

[Beacool]

168. That's not what she said.

She said that she and McCain brought a lifetime of experience and Obama a speech he gave in 2002. Considering that he voted 85 times parallel to Hillary to finance the war, she was not too far off the mark.

[miles 2 go]

175. she should have left Mclame out of her statement

then it wouldn't really be such a good sound bite for them now would it? I don't remember anyone campaigning and suggesting that the other party brought more to the table than one of their own. Even running against him, she should have made it about her and Obama, not her, her good friend McCain, and that other guy who may or may not be a muslim.

[Beacool]

177. She was just saying

that she would be better prepared to meet McCain in the fall because she had more experience than Obama. She was not trying to imply that McCain would be a better choice than Obama.

[beac]

191. Um, hello? You just made my3boyz"s point!

You do realize that, don't you??

And just in case you don't remember her EXACT words:

Regarding crossing "the CIC threshold":

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”


“There are certain critical issues that voters always look to in a general election. National security experience (and) the qualifications to be commander-in-chief are front and center. They always have been. They always will be,” she said.

She said she and McCain had traveled to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan together as she repeated a line that surfaced from the campaign trail. She and McCain “bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, Clinton said, while “Sen. Obama will bring a speech he gave in 2002,” stating his opposition to the Iraq war as an Illinois state senator.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_ive_crossed_commanderi.html

[rodeodance]

166. Keep HATE alive!!

[papapi]

133. Maybe Hillary can help me retire my debt......

amounting to &109,000 owed in medical bills because we don't have universal health care, which was suppose to be her top priority way back in, uh, 1993 was it?

[NYC_SKP]

139. Me, too! I'm next...

She'll take money from an urchin who sold his bike and video game, then use that story to brag about how special she is.

Now she wants to be paid for expenses related to attempted character assassination of my candidate?

[ecstatic]

134. 30 million is a month+ worth of GE funds nt

[dailykoff]

137. Hillary has $22 million in her GE fund. She doesn't need your money.

But I'm sure she wants it.

[polmaven]

155. It is my understanding that

she cannot use that GE money for her primary expenses. She has to return it to the donors, or, with their permission, donate it in turn to the Obama campaign or the DNC.

From some of the responses in this thread, it looks like many of you think she should do the former, rather than the latter. I, personally, think she should donate it to Obama. But then, I guess that is what Democrats USED to do...you know...in the old days, when Democrats helped Democrats, rather than vilifying them.

[moriah]

159. By all means, turn it over to Obama!

That's why I'm not going to be able to help out with her debt until after November, Obama winning the GE is more important.

[rodeodance]

160. yes, you are right. I think it is good idea to retire the debt -so she can

focus on the GE with Obama.

[polmaven]

162. You have got that right!

The less time she has to spend (or the people still working on her suspended campaign) raising money to retire that debt, the more time they will all have to concentrate on turning Senator Obama into President Obama.

[beac]

192. Then how about she gets out a pen a cuts a check to cover the whole thing?

Easily done and problem solved!

She can totally afford it and if she's "distracted" by that debt then she has the means to remove that distraction with the stroke of a pen.

[dailykoff]

200. She can transfer both her campaign debt and the GE fund money

to her senate re-election fund and pay her debts that way. She would need to get the permission of her donors to transfer their donations. Clearly she would rather keep collecting money.

[gal]

217. She can also put it towards her next Senate race.

[Milo_Bloom]

140. LMAO.... Uhhh.. no.

They have plenty of money to pay off a debt they shouldn't have incurred.

[woolldog]

141. Do you guys realize we're in the middle of a GE?

So why would you divert resources away from that fight for the Presidency to raise funds for someone who isn't running for anything anymore?

You have years and years to retire campaign debt. Retire her debt, if you wish, after Obama wins. Until then all democratic resources need to go to the nominee.

Unless you've already maxed out and donated $4,600 to the democratic nominee, every cent should go to the democratic nominee.

I can't believe the nonsense I've read here over the past couple of days. It's as if people don't realize the election has begun. First everyone tearing the nominee a new a-hole over FISA. Now we're fundraising for a candidate who lost the primaries at the expense of the candidate currently running for President. This after the nominee had his worst month of fundraising to date. Unbelievable.

[hokies4ever]

144. What's wrong with contributing to Hillary's potential run in 2012?

:rofl:

[ima_sinnic]

154. "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

That is how she answered a simple question about whether the $800,000 that Bill earned in 2005 giving speeches to promote the Colombian free trade agreement wasn't a conflict of interest. And her own campaign manager was working for that agreeement, the one that HRC *wink wink* "opposed." Even the Colombians had enough sense to fire him, but perhaps the Clintons' death-squad fascist buddy Uribe would pay off those debts, seeing how much they've done for him.

Contribute to pay off the debt of a multimillionaire with the DLC's blood money behind her??

I DON'T THINK SO!!! I'm sure those warmongers who so desperately wanted her to replace * as the puppet head of the military-industrial global-predator complex can pay off that debt without making a dent in their corporate-greedhead bottom line. But it appears they only like to bring in money, not pay it back out.

don't make me laugh, my lips are chapped. Because of Bill's (& by extension, Hillary's) fine work on outsourcing the entire resources, infrastructure, and jobs of this country, I'm now pretty broke, so she'll just have to somehow "manage," poor thing.

or is this an extortionary/racket kind of thing? either pay up or she won't "help" Obama? (the way she "helped" Kerry in 2004?)

[rodeodance]

161. and now Obama has turned to the right with this speech on Israel

[Beacool]

171. These people will soon find out that the old adage fits

like a shoe if he gets elected in November. He and Hillary's main policy difference is in their approach to the health care issue, that's about it. So, if they hate the Clintons they will also be disappointed with Obama.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[merh]

189. These people?

What you aren't voting for Obama?

And there is a huge difference, Bill Clinton began the extraordinary renditions that are used by Bush today - she has never condemned torture or the extraordinary renditions and she voted for the war and cluster bombs.

Big f'ng difference.

And she has millions, she doesn't need my money, just let bill go hang out in Dubai some more.

[Beacool]

208. By "these people" I meant those who detest the Clintons.

Both Obama and Hillary are very close in their stance on most of the issues. I remember her speaking against torture during one of the debates (Russert was the moderator). I don't blame her for the IWR, many other senators voted for it too. She is the senator from NY and the majority of her constituents approved of the resolution. Obama spoke against it from IL, but he was not in the senate at the time.

[merh]

214. You didn't answer the first question.

Will you vote for Obama.

And she did vote for clusterbombs and has never spoken to extraordinary renditions. If you have a link to her comments on torture I'd appreciate reading what she had to say. Relative to the joint resolution, all she had to do was read the reports provided to her which apparently 20 of her fellow dem senators did, you know the ones that voted against the war.

[miles 2 go]

163. lol n/t

[rodeodance]

167. The Obama campaign is reportedly open to helping Clinton raise money to pay off her lingering campai

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

............Earlier: Clinton postpones debt repayment

In an e-mail to supporters earlier Monday afternoon, Clinton says she "has something I want to say," and directs readers to a Web video in which she says "Today, I still need your help."

Text next the video reads: “By helping us pay off our campaign debt, you’re not just helping Hillary elect a Democratic president and grow our majority in Congress. You’re making it possible for her to work as hard as she can on the issues we care about.”

Clinton also continued to praise onetime rival Barack Obama, saying she knows the Illinois senator shares the same goals as she.

The Obama campaign is reportedly open to helping Clinton raise money to pay off her lingering campaign debt, though no agreement has been announced yet. Under campaign finance laws, the Obama campaign is not allowed to retire Clinton's debt directly. (Cafferty: Should Obama help Clinton pay off her debt?)

[L0oniX]

174. I contribute to millionaires all the time ...through my federal taxes.

[DefenseLawyer]

185. Horrible timing by the Clintons. What else is new?

Right before her much ballyhooed meeting with the nominee, and all Clinton wants to talk about is how it can help her. Stay classy, San Diego.

[Pisces]

186. I only have enough to contribute to Obama.

[Smear Talk Express]

193. Like I'd ever give money to pay off a multimillionaire's debt...

No. Just no.

[Radical Activist]

194. Bill Gates would also like you to buy him lunch.

Your comment put it in perspective.

[Beacool]

210. I just heard a "breaking news" on FOX.

Yeah, I know it's FOX, but they announced that Obama has asked his top donors to help Hillary retire her debt. Since she's going to ask her top donors to give to Obama's campaign, everybody will come ahead.

Now, that's what I call a big step toward true unity.

:thumbsup:

[woolldog]

211. He's asking his "top donors" presumably becuase they've maxed out

at 4600 and have nothing left to give him. That's the only time, imo, it's appropriate to donate to Clinton.

Even then, it bothers me a little bit because the DNC and Convention are so underfunded. Those two things should also be taking priority over Clinton campaign debt.

[Beacool]

212. Well, she's asking her maxed out donors to give to his campaign.

So, it works both ways and they both come ahead. A win-win situation.

[MasonJar]

213. There is some kind of kooky law that her supporters cannot help her

retire her debt, but Obama's can. So she gives him her donors, and he retires her debt and keeps the rest.

[Beacool]

215. It's not a kooky law. LOL!!!

Well, maybe it is........

Basically, her top donors can't give her any more money to pay off her debt because they have donated the maximum allowed by law. Ditto for Obama and his campaign. So, they will basically be swapping donors. His will donate to her campaign and hers will donate to his. That's why it's a win-win situation, they both get what they need: money.

[invictus]

216. The Clintons should pay their debts with their own millions. Why should I finance her vanity tour?

n/t

[SoCalDem]

219. her 18 million voters could each send $2..That would be plenty

and it would be a way to show how many there are who really supported her.. but failing that..maybe Obama's 1.5 milion could send send her $5 or $10...BUT I would like to see a "creditor's account" set up so that I KNEW my money was going to be used to repay that florist in Ottumwa..or the limo company in Paducah...not into HRC's bank account to repay HER..

[L0oniX]

225. Sounds like one of those make money letters. "I'll tell you how to make miliions. Send me a dollar".

[L0oniX]

224. Yes ...we should help the poor millionair. JG Wentworth says "It's her money and she wants it now".

:evilgrin:

[Mudoria]

227. Sent $25 to help retire the debt

Happy to help my primary candidate out