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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:35 PM
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Does anyone else feel troubled by Obama campaign not reaching out to US Muslim groups?
I know it not the most convenient approach for the Campaign to take. But Obama has reached out to Evengelicals, Christian Churchs, Catholics, and Jews. I think he should address some of the top Muslim leaders or groups in the US also during the campaign - especially the hit the Islam religion has taken in this country since 9/11. His principles should not be overshadowed for political convenience.

Obama Walks a Fine Line With Muslims
Campaign's Efforts to Dispel Rumors Risk Offending a Base of Support
By AMY CHOZICK
June 23, 2008

It is inaccurate to call Barack Obama a Muslim. Is it a slur?

The Obama campaign suggests it is. A new campaign Web site designed to air and rebut potentially damaging Internet rumors reads in one part: "Smear: Barack Obama is a Muslim... Truth: Sen. Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim and is a committed Christian."

The characterization highlights a tricky balance the campaign is trying to strike: to tamp down false rumors -- intended by some to link the Democratic presidential candidate to radical Islam -- without offending Muslims and harming his image of inclusiveness.

Muslim-Americans have made up one of Sen. Obama's most loyal bases of support since he announced his candidacy last year. But lately some Muslims, concentrated in several battleground states, say they are having second thoughts over his campaign's ardent defense of his religious background.

"If he were a Muslim, so what? That insinuates that if he were a Muslim, he's automatically a jihadist. That's incredibly insulting to people of the Muslim faith and Arabs who are Christian," says Tony Kutayli, a spokesman for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and a Christian.

The issue flared up at a rally in Detroit last Monday, when two Muslim women in hijab, or traditional clothing, were asked to move when they sat behind the podium, where their headscarves would have appeared in photographs and on television with the candidate.

But recently some Muslim voters interviewed in swing states say they have noticed the disparity between his outreach to them and to other religions. The Obama campaign has embarked on a national effort to win support from devout Christian voters and make known the candidate's Christian faith. He visited a Boca Raton, Fla., synagogue, and he made a pro-Israel group his first stop after claiming enough delegates to secure the nomination earlier this month.

An Obama aide says that the campaign currently doesn't have any effort targeting Muslims and that campaign officials are relying on the Arab-American outreach efforts at the Democratic National Committee.

"The majority of our faith outreach, by and large, with some exceptions, is not faith specific. It is holistic," Mr. Vietor says.

Ginan Rauf, 46 years old, a secular Muslim and teacher in Franklin Lakes, N.J., is rethinking her support for the Democratic candidate. She volunteered to make calls on his behalf ahead of the March 4 Texas primary. Now she says she isn't sure she will vote for him.

"We're so hardened to Islamic-phobia, but a lot of us were surprised and hurt" by how Sen. Obama has responded to the Muslim rumors, Ms. Rauf says.

Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison, one of two Muslim members of Congress and an Obama backer, says he would like to see the campaign more directly address the Muslim community. "I know his campaign is a little worried about how that could be twisted," Mr. Ellison says. "But I think you have to be careful not to start letting your detractors dictate who you talk to. Then you're not the captain of your own ship anymore."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121417738005395419.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:36 PM
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1. The GOP is just waiting for that Dukakis photo-op. nt
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:41 PM
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5. Agreed
I find it troubling but unfortunately necessary. But this campaign has opened my eyes to how tough it must be to be a Muslim in this country. It's pretty much PC to openly hate Muslims here. I can't imagine how I would feel living in a place where a person with a yarmulkah was taken off a stage for fear of becoming political propaganda.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:36 PM
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2. Nope.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:45 PM
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7. Love that straight forward answer.
LOL.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:39 PM
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3. I think that he will get this done.......
Fortunately, most American Muslims appear to already support Barack Obama....and maybe that's why an overt effort isn't totally required......for the time being.

I have been reading favorable overseas press reviews on Obama from Middle-Eastern opinion makers.

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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:41 PM
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4. No, I like the idea of his winning.
As far as I know, he ALSO hasn't reached out to:
Hindus
Buddhists
Wiccans
Animists
Santeriaists
Taoists

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:45 PM
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49. Or atheists. nt
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:19 PM
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63. atheism is not a religion
as is endlessly debated here on DU.

but you are correct.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:54 PM
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74. As a Muslim, I agree.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:45 PM
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6. no
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:47 PM
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8. Oh, I'm very concerned.
The muslim vote might go for McCain this year.

:eyes:
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:12 PM
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15. Heh.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:47 PM
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9. The time of demographic politics is past. Obama's setting the agenda
and people are coming to him because he has one, first, and of course it's better than the oppositions (like I said, he HAS one!).

We subscribe to the WSJ; Chozick's a mouthpiece; she's trying to stir up some stink where there's none to be found.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:00 PM
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10. The Wall Street Journal.
:crazy:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:18 PM
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20. Chozick--a second rate Ann Coulter. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:07 PM
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11. What's up with the string of negative OP's from you lately?
:shrug:

Just something I noticed.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:12 PM
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16. I have noticed that too.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:14 PM
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17. I don't consider this to be an Anti-Obama thread.
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:16 PM by TeamJordan23
Obama is not perfect, so don't hold him out to be that. I am providing some balance. This forum is supposed to be for honest and fair debate.

I am a huge Obama supporter, but he is selling out some of his principles for political convenience. I expected it, so I am not shocked by it. With this issue - I just don't like him purposefully alienating Muslims while publicly pandering to the Jewish groups and the the pro-Israel lobby.

I do not want Obama to change who he is. Then, he is no different than Hillary, McCain, or any other politician. I rather have him lose on principle than to win on political convenience.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:17 PM
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19. You are providing some balance?
What about you help the nominee instead?
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:27 PM
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31. That is almost laughable.
You think you are helping Obama by posting in DU - a forum where nearly everyone is going to vote for him anyways.

Please don't challenge my dedication to Obama. All you have to do is look at my DU history and you can see I have been a strong advocate for Obama since I joined - and that was a long time before he won any primary races.

I have donated money to his campaign and more importantly, have volunteered for his campaign and have knocked on doors for his campaign. So please do not challenge my dedication to Obama.

But this is a forum for honest and thoughtful debate. Obama is not a saint and is not perfect. I hope you don't believe that. But on this issue - he is likely going to ignore the Muslim community for political convenience. And I do not for one second doubt that he does not care about Muslims or their interests. But I think trying to disassociate himself from them is wrong and unprincipled. Kerry addressed the Muslim community in 2004; and I think Obama should do the same.

Like he did with African American fathers a week ago, he can challenge the Muslim community to modernize. But events like last week, where volunteers did not allow Muslims in the background, should not be symbolic for his campaign.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:36 PM
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38. He is likely to ignore the muslim community for political convenience?
Thats the biggest load of shit I have heard.
:puke:

Between I never noticed you during the primaries Mr big Obama fan. :thumbsdown:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:42 PM
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43. Here you go.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:57 PM
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54. "he can challenge the Muslim community to modernize"
You sure you want to stand by that statement?

Are YOU suggesting that the US Muslim community is outside the mainstream? That they are less than modern? Perhaps, somehow, 'unAmerican'?

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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:09 PM
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59. Do you think all African American fathers are deadbeats?
NO, I don't think you do. But Obama did challenge that community to be more responsible. Do I think US Muslims are out of the mainstream? No, I do not. And I may know since I am a non-practicing Muslim but have friends/family that are Muslims - here in the US and in other parts of the world.

But are there parts of the Muslim community that are not particular modernized? And that is not to say they are terrorists or anything, but their views are very close-minded. And that is what you see in parts of other Muslim countries. The religion as a whole is at somewhat of a cross roads (globally). This is some of the theme that is actually discussed in NYT article today about the Youth Muslims in Algeria: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/world/africa/23algeria.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=algeria&st=nyt&oref=slogin

Please, I am not trying to provoke any hatred of Obama. We are Democrats, and we should strive for the ideals we believe in. That is the purpose of this thread.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:04 AM
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75. I don't think we should let close minded Muslims be the symbol for all Muslims
Islam is not necessarily at a crossroads in the way U.S. politicians have characterized them. I think there is a diversity of thought in their community and the moderate opinion is usurped by the radical opinion.

U.S. politicians have tried to push more moderate views that accept the right of everyone else to exist, but we (me being a U.S. citizen) have broadened out the fear of what the radicals might do to us all. It is the same fear I've seen perpetuated about Obama as a candidate. Is he a radical black militant?


If we let the fear of what the radicals might do provoke us, then we can't accept there is a moderate core of that group who don't want to war and want to make peace reign supreme.

If Obama confronts the radical group within Islam, he must first have the faith of American Muslims that he has no malignant purpose toward Muslims in general. If you are using the AA father confrontation as a comparison point, you have to admit most AAs don't believe he has another agenda for mentioning the absence of a lot of fathers. If American Muslims think Obama has a different agenda, Obama 'confronting' the radical core is not going to go over well.


I feel strongly that racial hatred should be stamped out. I don't think religious hatred is a good substitute either. I don't think race baiting in Democrats or Republicans is a particularly good thing. I am consistent in believing religious baiting is not a good substitute.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:05 PM
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57. "...modernize?" Why? How? No edits this time, okay? nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:42 PM
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73. Which Muslim community are you challenging to modernize?
I completely don't get your statement.

The enormously integrated Middle Eastern population of Metro Detroit (largest M.E. population in the U.S.)?

African American muslims?

And what exactly constitutes "modernization"? Are you suggesting that these groups do not carry their civic weight? Or are you suggesting they shed their cultural traditions? (And if you think that Dearborn is some sort of hotbed of terrorist activity, you could not be more wrong)

Please elaborate.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:31 PM
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35. You'd rather have him lose? Really?
"I rather have him lose on principle than to win on political convenience."

It's a nobel notion, but suicidal considering the alternative.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:14 PM
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18. I've done my DUty on this and the other. Chozick's a RW parrot anyway (I get the WSJ). nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:19 PM
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21. While that is true; you have not seen Obama do anything thus far to reach out to Muslim community.
And I don't think he probably will. It is probably the best thing for political reasons, but to a group that has been discriminated so much in the past 7 years and one that is looked at in a bad light among many people - I think he should do more.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:22 PM
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27. I don't feel like worrying about what the Heritage Foundation e-mailed Chozick about today.
Obama's setting an agenda and people are coming to him.

My husband is Hindu; should he reach out to his gathering, too? :eyes:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:29 PM
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32. I don't think there is an Anti-Hindu sentiment in the country, like there is an Anti-Muslim one. nm
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:30 PM by TeamJordan23
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:41 PM
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42. I think I'm very glad I didn't see your edit. You are doing a LOT of editing, I notice. nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:44 PM
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46. just bad grammar.
I have nothing to hide.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:54 PM
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52. Rite. nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:15 PM
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60. yeah, whatever. I don't need to prove myself to you.
I will still be knocking on doors for Obama in October/November, just like I did in January/February. I don't need you to question my loyalty to a candidate that has inspired me like no one has before.

And that is not to say that there are not flaws about him. You may not want to hear it, but no one is perfect. Especially, not in politics.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:31 PM
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34. As you probably know..
the WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch now and he is apparently putting a lot of effort into it. It'll be interesting to see if its quality and reputation declines.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:42 PM
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44. It already very much has. The eds were bad, but now the journalistic content has
noticeably jumped the shark.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:07 PM
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12. No
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:10 PM
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13. No. It doesn't trouble me at all.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:11 PM
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14. No
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:19 PM
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22. If Obama pandered to blacks or whites and excluded Muslims then I'd have an issue
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:21 PM
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24. Agreed. I know that we're all used to the mandatory minority group pandering sessions...
But, well, Obama is a different candidate in that regard.

He doesn't have to pander to anybody. And so far he hasn't, so kudos to him.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:11 AM
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77. MANDATORY minority group PANDERING SESSIONS?
So by your inference outreach is pandering?

So the Democratic party having discussions with these groups is pandering?


Well I, for one as an AA, think that that 90% average that AA voters give most Democrats is worth some attention.

What do you think Obama has a right to do as a different kind of candidate?

What about Obama's outreach to Jewish Americans, Hispanic Americans, and female Americans? Is that pandering too?
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:20 PM
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23. No
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:21 PM
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25. No. My concerns often differ from Wall Street Journal opinion pieces.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:17 PM
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61. lol
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:21 PM
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26. I'm troubled that he's not reaching out to Struggling Writers' groups.
*snerfle* :*
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:24 PM
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30. Whippet owners first, dammit! nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:23 PM
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28. You seem very concerned about many things today.
I suggest you relax. Too much stress is not good for you.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:31 PM
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33. Wasn't this a place for honest and thoughtful debate? And other threads are u talking about? nm
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:34 PM by TeamJordan23
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:35 PM
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36. Are you calling the good people of this forum a bunch of unthinking liars?
Not cool. Not cool at all.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:36 PM
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39. No, but why attack me for invoking this topic and being anti-Obama? nm
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:43 PM
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45. Where did he say that? nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:52 PM
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51. Obama's record on Muslim American rights is clear
and has already been used against him by the professional liars with their ready access to corporate media. Why would you want to bring this up now? What is your point? Should Obama go out of his way to do everything possible to make him an easy target? Why? What is your point? Why is this important now?


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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:58 PM
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55. There is no doubt there is anti-Muslim sentiment in this country.
I would like Obama to address that. He went in front of the Jewish groups and AIPAC and denounced anti-Semitism (and right fully so). But I don't think he should ignore another group just because of some Photo-Op that the GOP may use against him. Those people will not vote for Obama regardless. I don't think he should run away from things like this, but rather confront it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:08 PM
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58. I would like Obama to address that. - Yes it seems you would
Should he go on national television surrounded by women in burkas? That will play real well with the population already wrestling with voting for a black man.

He isn't running away from anything, except in your fantasy world. This is simply not an issue which needs to be front and center in a national presidential election. Is there some exigent crisis that he needs to address?

"He went in front of the Jewish groups and AIPAC and denounced anti-Semitism" - because if you don't you likely will lose the election. It is that simple. "Those people will not vote for Obama regardless." Those people potentially include the entire jewish vote in this country if the right can make its anti-israel case, and they most certainly will vote for Obama unless he makes a major misstep. Democratic politicians in national elections have to tread very carefully in this area as the right has been trying to drive this wedge issue into the traditionally democratic jewish vote for 30 years now.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:18 PM
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62. "Should he go on national television surrounded by women in burkas?"
How stereotypical of you. You may not believe it, but many Muslims are actually normal looking people. A majority of them (especially in the US) do not wear bukras or even head scarfs. They are actually quite normal and not soo taboo.

People who have anti-Muslim hatred inside them will not likely vote for Barack Hussein Obama anyways. So what is the real damage if he talks about the concerns and interests of a group for which some members have felt they are alienated.

I think Keith Ellison said it best:

Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison, one of two Muslim members of Congress and an Obama backer, says he would like to see the campaign more directly address the Muslim community. "I know his campaign is a little worried about how that could be twisted," Mr. Ellison says. "But I think you have to be careful not to start letting your detractors dictate who you talk to. Then you're not the captain of your own ship anymore."
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:23 PM
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29. He's running on an agenda and just happens to benefit from apersonality.
He doesn't need to play demographic politics--the Republican does, and FYI, the Republican is LOSING.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:35 PM
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37. reality: demographic politics is part of politics
Why else do politicians pander when they speak to AIPAC or speak to Mexican groups about Immigration.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:38 PM
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40. Thanks for your grave concern. He's doing fine. nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:39 PM
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41. I have many Muslim friends and it bothers me but
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:40 PM by Catherina
he's not reaching out to ANY specific groups and is trying to be a candidate for everyone. When I look at it that way, I'm very supportive of his comportment.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:44 PM
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47. stone the heretic
Let the witch hunt begin.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:45 PM
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48. Politics at its' base, sucks. But he needs to be political to win. We need him to win, by any means.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:46 PM
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50. Can't afford that photo-op.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:56 PM
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53. No,
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 01:57 PM by Phx_Dem
Why would he reach out to Muslim groups, specifically? No offense to Muslims, but we want to win.

I don't hear anyone worrying because he's not reaching out to Asian groups, or Eastern Indians. So why Muslims?

(Mrs Phx_Dem)
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:05 PM
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56. I think Obama does specific outreach only to groups where he's having trouble
Otherwise, he's trying to get past the divisive group identifications that separate this country. He's reaching out to women who supported Hillary, because he needs to win most of them over. He's not doing much specific outreach to the black community, except for trying to increase voter registration, because his numbers in the black community are very good. He's doing specific outreach to devout Christians, because they often vote Republican, despite the fact that the GOP works against a lot of things that they value. But he's not doing much specific outreach to the Muslim community, partly because he has plenty of support in that community, and partly because he doesn't want to give any more ammo to the GOP smear machine.

I think he'd be happy if race and religion were not factors in the election. That's not the case, but I think it's what he's working towards.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:20 PM
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64. Where's your concern about John McCain? Why don't you, just for kicks, post
something about HIM?

Thank you.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:22 PM
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65. Why waste time on a moot point? nm


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:28 PM
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67. THE OPPONENT IS A "MOOT POINT"? Glad you have your rpiorities on straight. nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:33 PM
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69. "Its a moot point..."
Sorry, left the 'moot' out there. I didn't want to Edit my post for the grammar error, because you may find grammar 'edits' offensive.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:34 PM
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70. I simply asked you to have some concern about McCain and you said it was a moot point.
Fine.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:24 PM
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66. Obama is in a lose-lose situation in regards to how he treats the Muslim community,
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 03:24 PM by SurfingAtWork
And how the right spins it.

If he doesn't reach out, the right will be faux outraged and ask "OMG Why does Obama hate Muslims?!"

If he does reach out, the right will be faux outraged and ask "OMG Can we trust a Muslim to run the country?!"
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:34 PM
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71. This is a tricky issue, isn't it?
This is a group of Americans that have faced some significant discrimination and been the focus of much bigotry in this country, particularly over the last 7 years. I can not imagine what it has been like. I have traveled with Arab-American friends and that experience alone has given me just a small taste of what they have to deal with. To compare them to certain kinds of dog owners is just a testament to their plight.

The bigotry and fear in and of itself has led those who want to hurt Obama to try and brand him as a Muslim. In turn, he has had to make an effort to distance himself from this brand. While this may be necessary, I think that some statements in active support of this community may be in order. If Muslim is used as an effective smear, that by itself should be addressed.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:35 PM
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72. couldn't agree with you anymore. nm
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:11 AM
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76. Why doesn't he target atheists?
Or Scientologists?

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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:19 AM
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78. campaign helpers make a mistake... it gets played for a week as "hypocrisy"
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 08:20 AM by crankychatter
and now it gets played for another week as "does obama need to reach out to muslims more?"

now he's "offending muslims" and everyone is worried?

yeah, right... THAT's what's happening

:sarcasm:

edited to add: does anyone else get sick and tired of this incessant...

HEAD FUCK?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:28 AM
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79. That's something he can afford to do after he is elected Prez. Not bothered. n/t
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:30 AM
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80. Come on
Wingers are just waiting for that perfect picture. See he is a Muslim!!!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:24 AM
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81. And not just a Muslim but a "radical BLACK Muslim"
sometimes you know how the movie ends before they even film the first scene.
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