Reasons my Uncle does not want Obama to be President.

[ccharles000]

-He will take orders from the "blacks".
-If he is shot African Americans will riot.
-He is a Muslim.
-He is weird.

We had another argument today. I don't know why we talk politics.

x(

[woolldog]

1. lol. Is he a Dem?

[Runcible Spoon]

3. you just never miss a chance to inflame, do you?

Le Sigh.

[woolldog]

5. how is that inflaming?

Asking what party his uncle belongs to? No really. I'd like you to explain how that's an inflammatory question.

:wtf:

[Runcible Spoon]

7. disingenuity needs to be done artfully to work.

not buying. bye!

[woolldog]

10. well, I'll open that up to anyone reading.

b/c it's obviously not an inflammatory question, and you're oversensitive.

...or is there some unspoken rule that we can't ask the party affiliation of charle's uncle? If so, no one told me.

[Forkboy]

12. I don't get it either.

But DU is a weird place. Best not to ponder it too much. :)

[woolldog]

15. Good point. n/t

[faithfulcitizen]

39. Rule #753- "Questions regarding 'Party Affiliation of Charlie's Uncle' is strictly prohibited ."

lol. some people are just weird.

[blondeatlast]

43. I'd ask about YOUR uncle, but--you didn't post about him. Big difference there

Since you said nothing about him, I don't care.

[hokies4ever]

21. Sorry, but you're wrong to call him out like that

He was not inflaming.

[ccharles000]

13. he is a repub

[woolldog]

17. Ah well.

Chances are then he wouldn't have voted for the democrat anyway. Don't let it get to you too much.

[Kahuna]

23. I'd kind of like to know myself.

:shrug:

[blondeatlast]

42. Have you applied to me a DU Moderator? There's lots of reasons I don't. nt

[Runcible Spoon]

2. oh brother.

I have one of those in my family; he's unfortunately suffering from early Alzheimer's and the most we can do is make sure he has easy access to his "nervous pills" (Valium and painkillers).

I don't think it's within anyone's right to deny his vote, but would it be really REALLY bad if we just refused to drive him? I know, that's really evil, but I shudder to give McCain another vote coming from a less than sound mind.

Sigh, the trials of family. Hang in there! :hug:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

4. SO TERRIBLY SAD THE SOUTH IS....

CHECK OUT BILL MOYERS SHOW LAST NIGHT.... THEY CAN'T STAND TO ADMIT THE ENORMITY OF THE LIES THEY HAVE BOUGHT.

VISIT http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06202008/watch.html AND LISTEN TO THE SHOW ...

THE WHOLE SHOW

[Skittles]

6. don't blame it totally on the south

my uncles, long gone, would have felt the same way about Obama and they lived in Iowa and Minnesota :o There is ignorance to spare all over.

[Runcible Spoon]

8. yep, I vote in upstate NY and I've seen more Confederate flags there than I ever did living in......

the urban South...

[Clark2008]

30. So terribly sad bigotry is.

You know bigotry... relegating an entire group of people to second-class status because of the perceived actions of a handful.

:eyes:

Think about that.

[sammythecat]

9. Boy, and he's not alone.

I bet we all know someone like that.

I don't know what to do about them. They're unreachable.

[FrenchieCat]

11. How does your uncle feel about you?

considering that you are a targeted minority and such?

[ccharles000]

16. he does not know that I am gay.

His view on gays is to kill them all.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Well, then....there's no reaching him.

Since he's your blood and kin, and you don't feel that he would understand you at all, how could he possibly understand a stranger who he doesn't really know?

He's an obvious bigot....for whatever his reasons.

I'd suggest that you give that one up. :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

19. Tell him that McCain is the Manchurian candidate.....

and that in his 5 years of captivity in Vietnam, he was indoctrinated in the ways of communism...which is why he acts like a Democrat sometimes, but not since he's been running. Tell him McCain is trying to fool people into voting for him. Also tell him that this is why he divorced his wife almost as soon as he came back from Vietnam, because she would have recognized that he wasn't the same person anymore. Also tell him that McCain committed adultery with the current wife that he has, and because she's a heiress, when he finally was allowed to marry her, he had to sign a prenupt. He was too weak to negotiate her consent to marry him without it. Oh...and don't forget to mention that he wasn't even born in the United States, and people are not so sure that his father was his father, and on photographs he doesn't really look like his father at all.

That should put some doubts in his mind.

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[Blarch]

25. Who the fuck would associate with such scum ?

Tell him to fuck off ...why talk to such people ?

[Hepburn]

38. OMG, Charles....

...how sad that your uncle is such a neanderthal!

Someone as nice as you are deserves a terrific uncle and it sure looks like that is NOT what you got!

So sorry...:hug:

[ieoeja]

48. I have relatives who think like that.

They also think I'm gay. I never told them I was. But I have no attention of ever correcting them either. If they want to hate me, then let them hate me. No loss as far as I am concerned.

[Renew Deal]

52. So why are you hanging around with a guy that's willing to kill you at a moments notice?

Makes sense? No

[Youphemism]

14. Know your audience...

When confronted with arguments like that, logic is the last thing you want to resort to.

Instead, respond with points like these:

-But McCain is an Irish name. Do you want a President who's drunk all the time?
-If he gets sick or dies, how many people might get hurt in the celebration when they hold his wake?
-He can't be a real Catholic... They don't believe in divorce. Who knows what religion he might have sworn into during his stint at the Hanoi Hilton?
-He looks like a child molester I saw in an FBI poster at the Post Office.

[TooRaLoo]

47. LOL

a toast to you from an Irish gal (who doesn't get to taste beer as often as she would like).

:toast:

[yardwork]

54. I love it! I'm going to use some of these...

[SoCalDem]

22. Give it up.. you cannot change someone's mind if they are determined to think one way.

Don;t waste your time trying:)

[Maureen1322]

24. My in-laws have concerns about barbecues on the back lawn.

I don't know whether to laugh in their faces or slap them in the head.

[rucky]

26. At least he's being honest.

FWIW.

I have a harder time with the people who dream up elaborate reasons to cover for their real reasons.

[karynnj]

27. I am old enough that I remember a neighbor, my best friend's mother

who had similar concerns in the early 1960s - that Kennedy would:

- take orders from the Pope
- that he was a Catholic and that was weird (Not surprising - as a young Catholic, that hurt me)
- He didn't talk like an "American" and sounded British (???? - I was only 10 and I knew the difference between England and New England)

This was NOT the deep South or a KKK area, this was Northern Indiana in a town where Catholics were (I think) about half the population.
JFK went on to be a very loved President.

If Obama wins, people will come to really know him and his family and they will be shown in a more positive light. If you go to a library and look at things like the "Parade" newspaper supplement or women's magazines like "Good Housekeeping" this happened even with the Clintons. (even used, not to say they didn't deserve good treatment, but because the fact that they did have a period of this. I was surprised to find a December 1992 profile in a Parenting magazine found when cleaning out a closet where I had a pile of 1990s vintage magazines that were saved more because they were not thrown away than due to merit. They had a 2 page profile of HRC that was incredibly positive about her as a role model to girls.)

I strongly believe that this would have happened with the Gores and Kerrys as well. In the case of all three families, the Republicans to various degrees had painted good people as "strange" - in fact, all have incredible families who would be seen more clearly as President.

[knixphan]

28. don't go for the uncle -

go for nephews/nieces, if there are any...

over-50 repubs are a hard sell...

[genna]

29. There are some family members I won't argue with UNLESS they have made me lose my temper

As an AA, of course I'd be offended but I've met some older white people who are trying to be nice and have said more offensive things than that.


I'd say love him with the fiercest kind of commitment you can have. You can detest his beliefs all you want. People don't change ingrained beliefs they've had for 3/4 of a century. They hide them in mixed company and say it is those damned blank euphemism racial slur epithet.

Every one of the worst stereotypes will come to mind every time you attempt to mention BHO's name. Instead talk him about shared values, ask him if BHO is human and manages to do all the agreed upon points what is the worst within reason (some people are scared that somehow Obama is going to revisit every grievance AAs have had for the last 5 going on 6 centuries) that can happen.


I think you have to talk about these irrational fears because when Obama is elected there will really be some weeping and a gnashing of teeth if these haters are not properly prepared. If he wants death to gays, then I can't believe AAs hanging from trees are far behind.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

31. Sounds like your uncle is a racist idiot

I suggest that next time he wants to talk politics, steer the conversation towards Bob Barr. Really boost Barr in your uncle's eyes. Get him to vote Libertarian. Do not explain that by doing so your uncle is helping to defeat McCain.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

32. If he is a Repug, then what's the point of starting this thread other than to get people riled up?

[flpoljunkie]

33. I hope your uncle is one of those ignorant bigots who never bother to exercise their right to vote.

[scheming daemons]

34. Yes... because blacks all get together and give "orders" all the time....

:eyes:

[Onlooker]

35. I have a 73-year-old uncle in Florida ...

... who won't support Obama because if he's assassinated, he believes black people will riot. Meanwhile, he dates a black woman (among others). I wonder what she thinks of his views.

[baldguy]

36. Obama is weird?

Has he SEEN any Republicans over the last 30 yrs?

[Bread and Circus]

37. If Obama is wierd then everyone under 50 is wierd because he is about as

normal of a person as I can tell.

I'm just flabbergasted at the mental gymnastics people will play just to soothe their own cognitive dissonance.

"I will vote for the party (Republicancs) that has fucked everything up for the past 40 years and dismantled all the progress of the 20th century" <<< sigh.

[crankychatter]

40. family - you know it's obvious you're a patient, loving and kindhearted person

even if you're a little bit mashochistic

good on you for not giving up on your Uncle

[endarkenment]

41. Your uncle needs to confess that he hates the blacks

he will feel better once he comes out of the closet. Then you can ask him, well ok, you hate the blacks, now about Obama, he is a fine upstanding American, don't you think that the republican party has made an enormous corrupt mess of things and it is time for a change?

I think your uncle might be able to work through his idiotic racism if he is honest about it. Or not.

[NatBurner]

44. how very archie bunkerish

does he call u meathead?

[sourmilk]

45. I don't know why you bother to talk at all...has he been institutionalised long?

[TooRaLoo]

46. My uncle is one of those.

He's currently obsessed with how the End Times are upon us. Oh, and did you know that global warming is bunk and that Al Gore is a greedy lunatic?

:eyes:

[Sheltiemama]

49. Do we have the same uncle?

We must be long-lost cousins.

[mahina]

50. All else aside, he is afraid black people will riot if Barack is attacked?

If that is the meme, it's not a bad thing, necessarily. If they see it in their interests to keep him safe, then, good!

The rest of it? I have a repub. uncle too, and he is an amazing person who was Fox brainwashed with fear fear fear and the testosterone based alpha wiring in his brain has adapted to accept that view. I love him and respect him, except for this. We both know that blood is thicker than politics. But then I have a small family. I can't spare one uncle.

On Thanksgiving before the Iraq war he said to me,
"You really think you know more than the President?" I told him, if he believes what he is saying, then yes, I do.

[Renew Deal]

51. I think those are the reasons you don't want Obama to be president.

Your political leanings are transparent.

[ccharles000]

53. I am very happy to support Obama and vote for him.