Clinton Brings What Obama Needs: Money

[GoldieAZ49]

Interesting new take on the fundraising!

Clinton Brings What Obama Needs: Money
Hillary Clinton's Contribution To Barack Obama's Campaign Focuses On Dollars And Cents

"Her involvement in the campaign is welcome news and we're very excited about it," said Tom Daschle
...Democrats are practically salivating over the potential positives Clinton brings with her.

"I think Senator Clinton has a tremendous role if she wants to take it, in the campaign," Daschle said. "She has an extraordinary following all across the country -- among women, among minority groups, among working people."

Clinton's help in soothing the bad blood between the campaigns is critical -- history has shown how important that can be:
When Senator Ted Kennedy challenged Jimmy Carter for the nomination in 1980, the battle became bitter -- and the fallout was fatal.
"They never made up in a convincing way and it was one of the reasons why President Carter lost," said Mike Allen, Politico's chief political correspondent.

But the biggest plus Clinton offers is cash. Obama, who just a few days ago broke his pledge to rely on public financing, needs those checks.
"The campaign could not afford for all these supporters to take the summer off and lick their wounds," Allen said. "They want them to be in there raising money, giving money right away."

Obama's May fundraising report reveals a slowdown: $23 million in contributions, more than $7 million less than a month earlier. Rival Senator John McCain was close behind. But analysts predict Clinton's supporters could produce a surge of up to $75 million.

..."Most of Barack Obama's money is coming from small contributions. But every dollar matters and being able to get those Clinton fundraisers is very important for his campaign moving forward."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/22/national/main4201159.shtml

Hopefully those funds will cover her debt first. No news on the 'deal' between the two.

[Yukari Yakumo]

1. One thing comes to mind...

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[underpants]

11. Like a fish needs a bicycle came to my mind

:rofl: indeed-she is just trying to retain a position for the DLC

[Hieronymus]

53. Yep, Hillary managed to get herself in debt .. Obama's hauling in money.

[GoldieAZ49]

69. here is how the 'haul' is going for Obama:

2008

January 32 million

February 55 million

March 40 million

April 30.7 million

May 21.9 million


Obama will, rightly so, be delighted to receive the endorsements of Clintons fundraisers, of which Geraldine Ferraro is one of.

[Labors of Hercules]

84. That was to be expected.

With the primary ending, there is not the same urgency or perception of need. Just wait, as things get hotter, people will start to donate.

That's the benefit of such strong grassroots fundraising, the more fierce the battle, the more we pony up to fight it.

[GoldieAZ49]

87. interesting take, so Obama raised more money campaigning against a dem

than a republican.


Huh. Some logic there, how does he pay for the 50 state strategy during the summer? He is running ads in some states now.

Are you suggesting he stop campaigning until after the convention?

[Labors of Hercules]

90. no, I'm saying people take time to shift gears from one fight to another.

You can't expect them to go from "thank god THAT'S over" to "here we go again" without a little down time.

[Hieronymus]

97. And Hillary is $22,000,000. in the hole.

[Maddy McCall]

2. The deal is, she'll be his VP.

[Dark]

3. IDK. There was a lot of mudslinging on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, she's a fabulous Democrat. But there is some ill will between the camps, as well as legitimate concerns about her baggage, especially considering his message of change (by bringing in the wife of a previous president.)

Then again, she also certainly won a ton of support from the Dem primaries, so who knows?

Either way, I'm sure she'll serve her best.

[RichGirl]

9. I often wonder how people define "change".

A woman VP IS change since all but one have been men.

Hillary was never a typical first lady...during or after. You've made her something that she is not, just to support your arguement.

"Change" is just a word. I can't remember a more dramatic change than going from Clinton to Bush. I liked the days when a big issue was about school uniforms and not body count.

[snooper2]

15. Change..

Is not having a damn Clinton or Bush in the White House...






GOBAMA!

[polmaven]

28. Um,

all but one have been men....I assume you are referring to the current excuse for a VP? In this case we could say that all but one have been human.

[Beacool]

34. Yep, they haven't even changed a light bulb yet,

but they repeat the change mantra ad nauseum.

[rch35]

56. What does that even mean?

Thats one of the most ridiculous statements that I have ever read

[Beacool]

65. That it's all words, just words

and little action. Let's see how he comes out on FISA.

[rch35]

100. "They havent even changed a lightbulb".

are you implying that the obama camp sits in the dark?

or do they have really long lasting lightbulbs?

[JoFerret]

78. I thought it was rather clever.

.

[The Doctor.]

92. Well gee... if he can't change everything BEFORE he's President,

how can he possibly change anything after he becomes President.

Hmmm... I guess that proves he doesn't belong in the White House. :silly:


Actually, if you had been paying attention rather than staying in anti-Obama mode, you'd realize that his grass roots fundraising represents something that has never been seen before in the modern era. More of his support is coming from We The People rather than corporations... by a vast margin.

That's one very significant 'change'.

Can you say otherwise?

[Beacool]

103. Yes, he's a skilled politician and a very smart man.

He has caught the imagination of the youth and his fundraising capacity is prodigious.

[The Doctor.]

106. Have you ever heard the term 'minimuzation'?

No?

Well, that's what you're doing.

He's accomplished something not seen in more than a century. You're not intereseted in that.

As I've said before; You can choose between belligerent arrogance and enlightenment at anytime. But after the fact, all you'll have is self-reassurance from your 'friends'.


You've beem doing great, BTW, keep at it.

:hi:

[AZBlue]

99. "They" who?

[Beacool]

102. Obama and his campaign. n/t

[rch35]

57. Who was the non-man Vice President?

Cheney? or am I missing something?

[Skwmom]

10. Since Independents will decide this election, I don't think that would be

a smart move.

[monmouth]

12. That is not going to happen, the thought sends chills....n/t

[cboy4]

13. I hope you're right.....If anything, I just want to sit back and

enjoy watching certain heads explode.

That will bring me crazy joy.

[TheWraith]

16. Never going to happen. nt

[SwampG8r]

32. i think she would be more effective in another capacity

majority leader in the senate would replace the spineless an boring harry reid with someone with some balls (no sexist offense meant)
sec of health would give her input into the implementation of health care reforms which is one o her favorite issues
i think the VP job is kind of low profile and boring and she would find it confining
if she wants to be a player she cannot be in a situation where she may have toe an administration line
i bet if al gore told the truth he would tell you VP was the worst gig he ever had

[tblue37]

91. Nah--put her on the Supreme Court--a lifetime appointment

where she can do a lot of good for a very long time.

[Medusa]

40. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one if I were you.

or you'll need CPR.

[Danger Mouse]

66. She won't be his VP, sorry.

[JoFerret]

79. She is better than that

agreed.

While she would make a fabulous "running mate" during the election - I hope she takes a real job to help get things turned around and cleaned up.

[GoldieAZ49]

85. The VP is the one that goes on attack against the opponent

I cannot imagine a more ferocious opponent than Hillary. She would take the repubs apart singlehandedly.


Obama is going to need that, it will be interesting to see his choice.


Hillary can afford to keep her powder dry for her own political agenda.

[JoFerret]

86. A good point

But I would rather see her incredible command of policy detail and commitment to legislative change put in the service of a major accomplishment other than deflecting heat.

[cui bono]

105. Give it up already ffs.

She is antithetical to his whole campaign platform. It's just not a good fit.

And your last line is key to why we don't need her either. She's only going to help him if it helps her.

[Danger Mouse]

95. She could have a very strong voice in the Senate now.

[Major Hogwash]

67. I just know there must be a pony buried here under all this horseshit.

No, it's just a pile of horseshit.

[cui bono]

104. Um, no.

[musicblind]

107. I hope you are right maddy

[Dark]

4. Of course there's a slowdown. The primary's over. Now, they have to consolidate

their bases.

It'll go back up in Aug. or Sept. after the conventions.

[karynnj]

6. Exactly - there was no impetuous to donate in May

Obama had $40 million or so cash in hand and there were few primaries left. It would have been strange had the numbers been as high as the immediately preceding months. There was no decision on campaign financing - which had his decision gone the other way would have meant that his money could be used only before the convention.

That said, they need the large chunk of Democrats who voted for Clinton - in EVERY year there are people who contributed to the winner's opponents and who are welcomed back because - they are real Democrats, whose presence as well as their votes and money is needed. Gore got Bradley voters, Kerry got Dean voters - the difference this year is that HRC had closer to Obama's support by far than Bradley or Dean did.

What is stranger is that there is the meme that the Clintons themself need to be given what they want to get these people - that hasn't been the case in past years. It may be partially because the numbers were closer, but it is also because the Clintons are always treated differently than others. As can be seen by recent polls, in terms of votes, the vast majority of Clinton voters have already gone to him - which was predictable. Their positions were very close to each other (and Edwards) and far from McCain (and all the republicans).

[GoldieAZ49]

46. Really!!! Then why the all the emails from the campaign asking for donations?

Do they know there was "no impetuous to donate in May" or were they perhaps planning a national campaign with massive media buys, trips, hotels, wages, etc.?

Maybe they didn't get word to take the month off. :shrug:

[karynnj]

58. there was none of the spontaneous people calling the campaign in droves

because they knew money was needed for the next set of primaries. I was not speaking from the campaign point of view, but speculating on motivation. I saw far less here - in the way of - donate to Obama posts. this was clearly a lull.

[davidpdx]

5. The first priority should be electing a Democrat to the White House

Not paying off opponents loans. I have no problem with him doing fundraisers to tap those who can afford the throw the max amount to Clinton, since most of them are probably already tapped out for Obama. She's already said she'll eat the loans, I think she should stiff Penn and focus on paying the small vendors, the people who have business or schools that she promised to pay.

[karynnj]

7. Paying off the small vendors is important

It could hurt Democrats in general if they remain unpaid they could financially devastate the small businesses, which could hurt Democrats - especially with Obama having the ability to opt out.

[JTFrog]

8. Clinton Brings What Obama Needs: "Hopefully those funds will cover her debt first."

:wtf:


I keep waiting for opposite day to be over.

:shrug:

[yourguide]

14. I would also like to add...

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[JoFerret]

23. Are those ants

in your underwear?

[invictus]

17. The Clintons bring nothing to the table besides a pile of baggage and dirty laundry. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

18. Obviously Obama disagrees with you.

He would know better than you.

no offense, just sayin...

[rodeodance]

20. you are not the example Obama wants to have as a suppporter.

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[SwampG8r]

33. well actually

we want everyone to be a supporter
we have an exemplary candidate and we do need to stop backbiting
he is a class act and as much as we can
we all need to at least try to emulate a tiny piece of that class

[JoFerret]

24. It's a good job

you are not with the campaign to get a democrat elected to the WH.

[Beacool]

35. Are you even a Democrat???????

You expect us to support your guy and this is the kind of vile you spew about the Clintons????

[shadowknows69]

60. Our guy? He's the nominee he's supposed to be your guy too

And you're questioning if other people are real Democrats?

[Beacool]

63. Emotions are still raw and trashing the Clintons is not helping

to heal primary wounds.

[Name removed]

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[cbayer]

19. I think they make a great team.

I may not get my wish, but Obama/Clinton does it for me.

[GoldieAZ49]

21. What a nice graphic, thank you for posting it. nt

[SeaLyons]

22. I agree...

It is definitely the dream ticket. Hope it happens.

[Beacool]

36. Cute comic!!!

:7

[JoFerret]

80. Cute that they will campaign together in Unity, New Hampshire

where they each got the same number of votes in the primary.

I wonder who came up with that one.

[musicblind]

108. I agree with you cbayer. Clinton would make a fine VP.

[hedgehog]

25. Wait a minute - the person wallowing in campaign debt is going to bring

money to Obama's campaign?

[GoldieAZ49]

29. you got it, know of any other fundraising powerhouse other than

the Clintons?

read the article.

[galledgoblin]

73. fundraising powerhouse... you mean, like, Obama?

it's June, the nomination is wrapped up, a lull in contributions before an election surge is understandable.

I don't know why Obama would "need" the help of the Clinton's. if they offer it freely, sure, take it, but if they are only offering conditional help, I wouldn't take it.

[GoldieAZ49]

74. here ya go

here is how the 'haul' is going for Obama:

2008

January 32 million

February 55 million

March 40 million

April 30.7 million

May 21.9 million


Obama will, rightly so, be delighted to receive the endorsements of Clintons fundraisers, of which Geraldine Ferraro is one of. Last I heard she is still thinking about if she will raise funds for Obama...but then I haven't looked for an update.

[democrattotheend]

31. Sounds strange

But it actually makes sense. She has a lot of big donors who maxed out to her but could help Obama, as well as raising money for him. He has a lot of small donors who are not maxed out and could help her, if they are willing to do so. But small donors tend to give primarily because they believe in the cause, while some large donors give primarily for access. So it's probably easier for her to convince her big donors to give money to the presumptive nominee than it is for him to convince his donors to help her pay off her debt. I'll consider sending her a small contribution if Obama asks his supporters to do so, but I don't know how many other supporters will.

[tblue37]

93. Her big donors are maxed out on donations for HER, but that deosn't mean that her

influence won't encourage them to give Obama as much as they legally can.

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[Imagevision]

30. I hope Bill doesn't decide to give his brand of help to Obama...

[GoldieAZ49]

38. all things considered, I would be surprised

if he did.

[Life Long Dem]

37. Have you looked at the polls lately? n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

41. yes I have, which explains perfectly why Obama wants her working for his campaign nt

[bunnies]

39. She's $23M in debt and she offers "cash"?

On what planet?

[rodeodance]

42. On earth.

[Beacool]

45. Same hatred, different day...................

They can't seem to get over it.

:crazy:

[bunnies]

47. Piss off with your condescending tripe.

Seriously.

[Beacool]

50. That's precisely what I mean.

Grow up already and play nice!!!

:silly:

[GoldieAZ49]

43. ah, you didn't read the article

it was written on the planet earth, you have heard of it, yes?

[bunnies]

44. Actually I did.

These donors would be giving $ to the Dem anyway. I sincerely doubt that Hillary is the donor puppetmaster.

[GoldieAZ49]

48. You should let Obama know that, he is operating from a different mindset .

He actually realizes that he needs all the resources he can get.

$25 bucks here and there is great, but it doesn't get him to the White House.

[merh]

49. The campaign that is 30 million in debt and who couldn't

keep up with Obama's fund raising is going to bring funds to his campaign - that's rich.

:rofl:

Sorry, the efforts to glorify the candidate that came in 2nd and the campagin that is in debt are nice but they don't mean squat.

The slow down in fund raising is because he won the primaries - the boring McCain efforts make it seem that the win is such a slam dunk. Right now folks are in that lull before things get going again - no debates, no interest in the competition.

[GoldieAZ49]

51. Is that why Obama is courting her support & chastised his supporters that booed

at the mention of her name?

Get with the program merh, try to keep up! This is going to go fast!

[merh]

54. LOL - I'm the one that has been keeping up

Go look at the source of "her" money and Obama's - apples and oranges - he is not courting her, he is just showing her respect as his opponent and a fellow dem and senator, something she never did - he is a better human than she is and he is a better person than I am. I'd tell her to kiss my ass - her attacks on him are still fuel for the RNC to use to burn him.

[GoldieAZ49]

55. maybe you missed this part:

Clinton's help in soothing the bad blood between the campaigns is critical -- history has shown how important that can be:
When Senator Ted Kennedy challenged Jimmy Carter for the nomination in 1980, the battle became bitter -- and the fallout was fatal.
"They never made up in a convincing way and it was one of the reasons why President Carter lost," said Mike Allen, Politico's chief political correspondent.

[shadowknows69]

61. So because a politico correspodent says it it must be true right?

Please just do your country a favor and stay away from elections and government and driving, breeding etc. etc.

[GoldieAZ49]

68. No, thank you, I won't.

:hi:

but you could!

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[merh]

70. Clinton made the bad blood, not Obama

She is the one that needs to quiet and appease her supporters, not Obama.

LOL, you have to get the focus correct - he is not courting her, he is treating her with the respect he would and has any dem, she is the one that has issues with respecting fellow dems.

You guys crack me the hell up - the choice is simple, vote against your self interests and vote McCain or vote for Obama the dem nominee.

The figures show that dems without a grudge, you know reasonable one, true dems support the nominee and don't need to be courted.

[GoldieAZ49]

77. no, she doesn't "need to" do anything

anymore than Ted Kennedy did in 1980.

I see you are not big on this whole party unity concept Obama is trying to create.

[merh]

83. LOL - I'm very keen on the party unity

and Hillary has a lot to do to try to heal the wounds her campaign created. As I said, Obama is a better person than I am which is a good thing. He is also a better person than you, your posts are all about him owing the hillary folks or needing to court them. Those who truly support the party don't need to be courted. Those that were "up on" the truth would know that she is the one with issues about raising campaign funds.

[JoFerret]

111. A better person?

Maybe. It would appear so from this at least.

But either way - not a wise campaign strategist - that is for sure.

[merh]

112. that's why he beat his opponent

LOL - go away - you folks are just silly.

[JoFerret]

113. I am very glad

that neither of us is of the slightest significance in this campaign.

[rodeodance]

59. Glad to hear that Obama scholder the boooer's.

[shadowknows69]

62. There are many fine courses you can take to improve your grasp of the english language.

[greguganus]

72. Lol...I'm not sure if that person is even old enough to vote. n/t

[Egnever]

52. LOL

now that what I call creative writing.

[Arkana]

71. Make sure that cash is coming from clean hands first.

[GoldieAZ49]

75. not much room to talk on that topic.

think about it.

:hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. Alright, I thought about it.

And first, I thought you were talking about this guy:



But that really doesn't make much sense the more you think about it.

[JoFerret]

82. Don't fret

Sore winners etc.

But with a dem in the WH we will ALL be winners.

[Truthfulone]

88. We need all the cash we can get

The other side will find a way to try and smear our candidate through 527's.

[quaker bill]

89. I am sure

that Barack will welcome all contributions from legitimate sources, within his guidelines and the limits of the law. Hillary's folks, to the extent they are interested probably haven't hit the $2,300 max for Obama yet. For that matter, niether have I. Guess I have some business to do.

[EFerrari]

94. LOL!

[newmajority]

96. How does someone who is 30 million in the hole herself "bring money"??

:crazy:

[Ewellian]

98. Look at the May fund raising numbers

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_on_el_pr/fundraising_glance

Hillary has raised 23.3 million for the general election that she can't use to retire her primary debt. (fyi, as of May, Barack had raised 10.72 million for the general)

I believe she has to offer refunds to her contributers for the general who can either take the money back (and possibly redirect it to Senator Obama) or let her keep it for a future campaign.

[Hieronymus]

101. Excellent question.

[musicblind]

109. Because she has many large donors who have maxed out to her and can't donate to HER anymore BUT they

can donate to Obama until they reach their legal limit with him! :)

[dansolo]

110. I'd rather she helped to raise money for the DNC

I couldn't care less if she helps raise money for Obama. She has no choice in that matter. If she doesn't, her political career is over. Obama is doing fine raising money on his own. What I would much rather see is her supporters and big money backers contribute to the DNC and the like, in order to help elect more downticket Dems.