Is MoveOn being led by a bunch of hotheads?

[thewiseguy]

Where is their strategy? :shrug: Did they forget that we are in the middle of GE?

First they close their 527.

Then they make this very lame ad.

Now they are demanding that Obama filibusters the FISA bill. Not just vote nay, but filibuster it!

I knew that I could count on the wisdom of MoveOn's leadership in GE.

[anonymous171]

1. Let them be. They do us a service.

[FrenchieCat]

2. They have decided that this is about Barack Obama

not about the 4th amendment.

Their strategy is based on the principle that Obama must do what is right regardless of the consequences, strategic or otherwise, period. If we lose the election, so be it. It would mean that he didn't deserve it......

They have every right to that type of thinking.....

But again I stress, this is not about the 4th amendment, and shouldn't be cloaked as such, since the bill will pass as long as it is brought onto the floor.

[thewiseguy]

3. I wish we were more involved in strategic thinking

It is terrible to see us shooting ourselves in the foot.

[smalll]

4. Meh. Those types swing between "social fascist" and "popular front" lines.

They're on a "social fascist" jag right now. :shrug:


(You just try to tell me that young "Eli Pariser" isn't some red-diaper grand-baby. :shrug: )

[Hieronymus]

15. Social Fascist? Are you being funny?

[Tatiana]

5. Coming out with the filibuster demands was very stupid.

And I have let them know that.

[DFLforever]

6. I don't think they're too smart, that's for sure.

By 'demanding' Obama filibuster, they have probably assured that he will not.

A presidential nominee can hardly afford to be seen as responding to a public challenge from a political pressure group - particularly MoveOn.

I like them, I'm a member, but they sometimes show very poor judgment.

If they seriously want someone to filibuster FISA , they should probably call on Dodd or Feingold.

[ellisonz]

7. No, just "idealists"

They'd cut off their nose to spite their face!

I've never been pro-MoveOn for exactly that reason.:crazy:

[TwilightGardener]

8. I always thought they did more harm than good for Democrats, myself--

of course, I'm on the conservative end of the Dem spectrum, but they seem to have a knack for fucking up their own good intentions. Where are all the far-right-wing interests who are supposedly mad at the "Maverick" for not being conservative enough? Oh, that's right--staying quiet so that he can trick people by moving to the center for the general election. Republicans understand that winning isn't just everything, it's the ONLY thing.

[GarbagemanLB]

9. After their 'General Betray-us' bullshit, I left their organization.

Now they go out and publicly demand Obama vote against a bill, putting him into a situation akin to what the Hillary supporters did when they petitioned to demand Hillary as VP.

You don't 'demand' shit of a presidential nominee and expect positive results.

[woolldog]

10. Yeah everyone seems to have forgotten we're in the middle of

a general election.

[Cleita]

11. I guess trying

to steer America back to its founding principles is considered hotheaded these days.

[thewiseguy]

13. Having no strategy and thinking irrationaly is considered so

MoveOn is exercising very poor judgement and they have very little strategy.

[Virginia Dare]

22. I would assume that would necessitate electing Obama..

over McCain first and foremost.

[demokatgurrl]

12. Obama is not MoveOn's candidate-

they endorsed him, but I honestly believe they did so after they figured he was going to win. I used to be a member of MoveOn, and have sent them lots of money in the past. But lately they have really disappointed me. They didn't even have the cojones to endorse a candidate who espoused what they SAY they want.

Before anyone jumps on me, I AM supporting Obama BECAUSE he is the nominee. But my first pick was Kucinich and if MoveOn were honest, he would have been theirs. Now they are asking Obama to be Kucinich. It ain't happening. They're being stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they change their minds and come out for Nader.

Apologies to any MoveOn members I might have offended.

[PassingFair]

14. They "endorsed" him by membership VOTE.

Not on some whim, or because they "decided" he
would be the winner.

Kucinich never stood a chance.

Obama was the closest to an anti-war
candidate we were going to wind up
with in this election.

[polichick]

16. They closed their 527 to be in keeping with Obama. What very lame ad?

[thewiseguy]

18. The ad with the baby in it

I found it very lame. No work behind it.

And once the Rethug 527 ads roll our they are going to wish they had not closed theirs.

[polichick]

19. You must not have a child. It's a great ad - I've said the exact same thing...

...about my much older kids ~ those assholes can't have them.

[scheming daemons]

26. The problem with the ad

When you son is 18, there's nothing you can do to stop him from enlisting in an all volunteer army. You can shout "you can't have him" all you want, but if your son WANTS to join - and currently, there is no draft - then you can't stop him.

The ad only "works" logically if there is a draft. There isn't. Not yet, anyway.



It's a lame ad. Preaches to the choir, and does NOTHING to bring more people into the Obama fold. In fact, it probably pushes independents and moderate Republicans away.... and anyone else with a patriotic streak.


it opens it up for a counter-ad saying ... "Moveon.org wants YOUR kids to go fight and defend this country, while selfishly and narcissistically keeping their own children out of harms way. Moveon.org doesn't care about YOUR kids."


It's counterproductive to the Obama campaign. Politically tone-deaf.

[polichick]

27. I couldn't disagree more - on all counts.

[scheming daemons]

29. Well..... that's what political discussion is about, right?

;-)


In the spirit of George Carlin, I will not denounce you for speaking your mind.... even when you're wrong. ;-)

[Eurobabe]

33. Anyone notice that this ad is now sponsored by AFSCME?

It is not connected with MoveOn anymore.

[NorthCarolina]

31. I also think it's a great ad

and it's well past time this country sees some hard truth in political advertising.

[blondeatlast]

24. Lame how? It's meant to appeal to young independents and if you're a parent, if hits

right where it hurts.

What, specifically, is lame about it, IYHO?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. It appeals to everybody against the war.

My guess is, the only people upset by it now are people who were for the war when it started, and now feel really dumb.

[blondeatlast]

17. The Democratic candidate said he would no longer accept 527 money;

so why on earth would they maintian the 527? To give it to John McCain?!

A little information goes a long way...

[demokatgurrl]

35. To pay for ads. THAT's what they do well- usually

they ran great ads in the 2004 election campaign. They can say stuff the candidate can't. They can respond to the next swiftboaters. They don't need to be another arm of the DNC.

[genna]

20. My ignorance is profound on this point: MoveOn is wrong for saying Obama is wrong?

in tactics only?

in perspective of giving telecom companies immunity after they have illegally tapped American phones without a search warrant?

in tactics and perspective?


Because they are focused on the issues themselves, not necessarily the Democratic candidate?

[thewiseguy]

21. Read the OP again

[Moochy]

23. Does thewiseguy have any other pet issues...

besides whispering campaigning in favor of passage of the FISA bill?

[thewiseguy]

28. I am not in favor of FISA bill

Any more comments? :crazy:

[polichick]

25. imo MoveOn deals with the hard truths - LOVE 'EM!

[unapatriciated]

30. If not us, who? If not now, when?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT_gC9zyMMY

If we do not speak out against the constant shredding of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, who will? There will always be an election going on, so how long do we wait....until we have no voice at all?

They are not demanding, just staying true to their basic agenda. That is pointing out the truth, sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.
I guess the add speaks to mothers and grandmothers and points out McCain's intent of keeping us on a war economy for generations to come.

[JoFerret]

32. It may be time to move on

from Move-On.

(Their jumping into the primary fray did it for me. They should save their fire for the real 'enemy' imo.)