Rasmussen push polling again. This time in Florida!

[thewiseguy]

Rasmussen latest Florida Poll

McCain 47 Obama 39

Now just like their Ohio poll they provide some RW talking point memo:

There was a time—not too long ago—when calling for offshore oil drilling in Florida was a sure way to lose an election. But, that was back before the price of gas passed the $4.00 a gallon mark. Some political observers think that price increase may be a game-changing event in the politics of the issue and Republican Presidential hopeful John McCain is putting that theory to the test. Early indications are that his call for offshore drilling may boost his campaign in the Sunshine State.

The Quinnipiac poll sampled 1500 people while the Rasmussen poll sampled only 500. Furthermore their polling was done very quickly and over the course of one afternoon! :rofl:

More talking points for Scott on Hannity's garbage show.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_presidential_election

Classinc push polling:

Rasmussen Reports conducted a special Florida survey to measure the immediate impact of the offshore drilling issue on the Presidential race. As one part of the survey, respondents were told that McCain favored offshore drilling and said it would bring down the price of gas and oil. They were also told that Barack Obama opposed offshore drilling and said it would not bring down the price of gas and oil. After hearing the views of both McCain and Obama, most Florida voters agreed with McCain--61% said it was likely that offshore drilling would reduce gas prices. Only 34% disagreed and said that offshore drilling would not accomplish that goal.


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[MonkeyFunk]

1. How is that a push poll?

[slinkerwink]

2. because the respondents weren't told it would take 10 YEARS for

off-shore drilling to bring any effect at the gas pump.

[cliffordu]

3. ROFL....That's funny...

Thanks for playing!!

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

10. What's so funny?

Why not explain why it's a push poll?

Perhaps you don't know what the term means.

[Captain Hilts]

16. He doesn't know what he's talking about and has had to resort to ridicule. nt

[cliffordu]

19. Wall, garsh, yore smart.

[Captain Hilts]

20. At least when it comes to political polling I am and you're not. nt

[cliffordu]

22. well, of course you are.

[cliffordu]

18. Well...

Here's the quote:

"As one part of the survey, respondents were told that McCain favored offshore drilling and said it would bring down the price of gas and oil. They were also told that Barack Obama opposed offshore drilling and said it would not bring down the price of gas and oil."



Let me paraphrase:

If we do what McCain wants, oil prices go down, If we do what Obama wants to do, They won't.

What would you like to do??

Isn't that manipulating the question for a more favorable result in one direction?

[MoonRiver]

21. You must be very frightened, to be so defensive. n/t

[thewiseguy]

4. How is that not a push poll?

Done very quickly. Small sample size. Misleading questions to alter the outcome of the poll.

They did the same thing with Ohio.

[Captain Hilts]

7. No. For a statewide survey 500 sample size is normal. You use 12-1500 for the whole country.

The speed with which it is conducted also is meaningless.

It's a snapshot.

[thewiseguy]

8. No its not normal. I have told you that Quinnipiac had a sample size of 1500.

Nobody has had a smaller sample size than Rasmussen in their Florida polls. Nobody has ever done their polling over the course of one day in Florida either. Rasmussen is the only poll to do so.

Polls that are done in one day are often off. Zogby used to do one day polling but average their results out so that you would get a more reliable number.

[Captain Hilts]

14. One day polls are just that. Snapshots. That doesn't make them a push poll.

I worked in polling for nearly ten years.

Zogby knows that one-day polls are just snapshots. Tracking polls are when you take small samples every day - within a state it can be between 50-100 a night, then you average three days' worth of results to get your tracking numbers.

The one day survey, a tracking survey, and a large-scale multi-day survey all do different things.

The length of the survey, the sample size and the time frame over which the survey was conducted don't make it a "push poll."

The question also does not qualify as a push question. McCain is more favorable to offshore drilling than Obama, who is not as supportive. The question reflects those facts.

[thewiseguy]

17. Thanks for the info but

But if you go to the link you will see that Rasmussen states that McCain's offshore drilling stance is helping him out in Florida. The results of this poll are identitical to their last.

Also, has Obama ever said that offshore drilling will never reduce the oil and gas prices? I think the argument here is how long will it take and what the enviromental impacts would be. The pollster does not question the enviromental impact of this plan. It does not mention how long would it take for prices to go down.

Sir, this question is posed at a time when the gas prices are too high and the Republicans are pandering to the electorate by presenting a corrupt plan to reduce the oil and gas prices.

They had a similar question from their Ohio poll where they asked people would they support McCain's plan in order to reduce gas prices. That is a misleading question aimed at driving a false conclusion.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. how does that make it a push poll?

I get the feeling nobody in this thread knows what the term means.

Clue: a push poll is NOT any poll whose results you don't like.

[Captain Hilts]

5. That's not a push poll.

This one question cited, is not a complete summary of Obama's view on offshore drilling, however.

[thewiseguy]

6. The poll's primary focus was the off shore drilling

That is why they did it. They have stated that very clearly.

[gilpo]

9. This is not a push poll...

The objective of a push poll is to contact as many people as possible to alter their opinion by asking misleading questions. Why would you only push poll 500 people? You'd want to reach thousands or more...

No, the likely purpose of this poll was to have misleading numbers in the media. Something for McCain to hang his hat on for funraising reasons.

[thewiseguy]

13. Those 500 people are going to talk you know.

[Captain Hilts]

15. Not really. What you are describing is advocacy calls.

A push poll can come in several forms.

One, where you test negative questions only about your opponent and not your candidate.

Two, where you give misleading information about your opponent.

Three, where you employ a legitimate survey and methods but release the information very selectively.

[gilpo]

25. hmm... OK, I stand corrected... thanks. (nt)

[Dawgs]

12. That's not surprising. He lists California as Soft Democratic.

[Carrieyazel]

23. I suspected that Quinnipiac poll from yesterday was bogus.

Rasmussen has a much higher rate of reliability than Quinnipiac, whether we like to admit it or not.

[thewiseguy]

24. Take a look at this:

[Dawgs]

26. Based on what? Do you have proof for that statement?

:shrug: