McClatchy: (Some) Clinton supporters angry at Matthews, Olbermann, media

[sabra]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40203.html

WASHINGTON — Bettyjean Kling is tough, she's mad and she's about ready to kick some pasty MSNBC butt.

"Chris Matthews, I can't even look at him anymore," Kling spat as she waited for Hillary Clinton to take the stage. "What's the name of that other nut?"

"Keith Olbermann," offered a friend.

"Keith Obama-man," growled Kling, a retired special ed teacher from Shippensburg, Pa.

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It seemed to be more bitter than sweet for many, however, with special acid reserved for the media. Several of the hundreds gathered here said they thought that unfair news coverage helped Illinois Sen. Barack Obama win the Democratic presidential nomination. Other common culprits were the Democratic National Committee and the party superdelegates, who helped swing the nomination to Obama in the last few weeks.

"I'm mad at everybody," said Darla Stone, a prison nurse from Locust Grove, Va.

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"Will I vote for McCain? No," said Angelia Ifantides, a teacher from Fairfax, Va. who wore a pink t-shirt with Clinton's face silk-screened on it in red. "Will I put an Obama sticker on my car? Probably not. I'll accept it in November. I have right to be angry 'til then."

[rodeodance]

1. KO gets special recognition as a jack***

[JimGinPA]

7. And Yet You Can't Point Out One Thing He Said That Wasn't Accurate

:shrug:

[lxlxlxl]

9. ARGH!

First, I do not understand ONE of you supporters that has decided to just forget Fox News / National Review / Little Green Footballs / and Hot Air exist just because you have a temporary outlet for your frustration.

Who pulled the "Iron my Shirt" stunt? Who has been denigrating Hillary for DECADES on the radio? Have you cared so much to find out who made those dumb little nutcracker things? Do you know how many Republicans have forwarded stupid little Hillary emails? Where is the focus here? Where is the effectiveness of Clinton and her supporters for getting the country to understand what Rush/Hannity have done to discourse? These people are responsible for killing any hope in the country's government, nitpicking minor local problems as national crises, and bullying anyone that gets in there way. It doesnt matter who is on the ticket now. Sen. Obama is getting the same type of treatment, and you just think it's your candidate.

Of course, Sen. Clinton empowered a generation of journalism-destroying douchebags at FOX and its little local radio cohorts by actually talking about "A right wing conspiracy" and then just walking away from the idea.

Yes, there is a conspiracy against the Clintons, but it is not at MSNBC.

The reason you are angry is because you think Democrats watch MSNBC and not FOX, so therefore MSNBC has to be especially nice to all dems, and not provide a stark counterpoint to FOX. That is exactly the type of short term thinking that got us in this place to begin with, and this type of opportunism is going to ensure this country's downward slide politically and culturally.

[SeaLyons]

2. What goes around, comes around and

KO and CM are in for some serious backlash - and damn well deserve it.

[hokies4ever]

29. What goes around comes around indeed

A pity that Hillary had to find this out first-hand. :rofl:

[KittyWampus]

3. Yeah, the Mediawhore didn't play the whole Rev Wright thing constantly for two whole weeks

And the Mediawhores also didn't pad Hillary's delegate count with Supers thus falsely diminishing Obama's lead from the start.

They also didn't continued to pretend Hillary had a chance spewing the lie "you can't ever count a clinton out" even after there was no mathematical way for her to win.

And Hillary didn't demand Obama answer for Farrakhan (they're both black, after all).

[Bunny]

10. They could have done ALL these things, and STILL been sexist.

They're not mutually exclusive.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Until a week ago,

there was ALWAYS a mathematical way for her to win.

You guys just spread that lie again and again and again and again and again. But mathematically, she could've won. that's why she stayed in the race.

[glowing]

4. Time heals and working together heal rifts...

[Marie26]

5. That describes me pretty well

I'll support Obama whole-heartedly, but I won't watch MSNBC again.

[George_Bonanza]

6. Olbermann is a liberal hero

During the Bush Dark Ages, he was the only tough liberal and the lone voice of dissent among the O'Reillys and other Fox cronies. He rightfully called out the likes of Geraldine Ferraro for her bitter and prejudiced rage against Obama.

[SeaLyons]

12. Liberal Hero???

Do liberal heroes suggest someone take Hillary into another room, and that someone be the only one to come out? Do they use their platform to blast a fellow dem with a special comment that was so offensive and blown out of proportion that it was mind boggling.

KO should be fired. I know many of you consider him a friend to the party - HE IS NOT.

[George_Bonanza]

18. He has repeatedly defended Hillary from RW'ers in the past

He only went after her when she began to engage in dirty politics. His outrage against Geraldine Ferraro was completely justified. And is Rachel Maddow a self-hating woman then, because she agreed with Keith 100% of the time. Maybe Harriet Christian is more of your kind of feminist.

[SeaLyons]

23. None of his outrage against the Clintons was justified....

and don't suggest to me what kind of feminist I am or am not. You have no damn idea what the hell you are saying.

[Beacool]

25. No it wasn't!!!!!

The last time I listened to KO and MSNBC was the night when he went on a 9 minute diatribe against Hillary for what Ferraro had said.

I was talking at work with an AA co-worker (an attorney who supports Hillary) and we knew what Ferraro had tried to say, albeit ineptly:

No one should be sent to the back of the bus due to their race or gender but, by he same token, no one should jump ahead of the bus due to the same characteristics. In other words, if Obama had been a caucasian senator with not even 2 years in the senate, the party leaders would have told him to wait until he had more experience. That was what she meant to say.

[publicatlarge]

16. 'Bitter and prejuidiced rage'?

Where did you get that idea? From Olbermann? It is true that many multi-cultural/racial and AAs supported Obama with pride and hope. Isn't that the point Ferraro was trying to make? Olbermann went over the top before the primaries. When his suits got more pricey, and he got moved to NY - it was plain he had sold his soul to the highest bidder.

And so it goes.

[George_Bonanza]

20. Ferraro is not bitter and prejudiced?

What is she then, gracious and enlightened? Ha!

[OzarkDem]

33. His crown is tarnished, then

Because he really went over the top with his unfounded and irrational attacks on Clinton.

OTOH, I wasn't surprised. The guy is an entertainer, not a journalist.

[MO_Dem]

8. I quit watching both

Matthews and Olberman. I can survive very well without knowing what those two jerks think about ANYTHING!

What's gonna happen when Obama does or says something that Olberman disagrees with and he goes on a rant about it?


BTW, I'll vote against McCain in November.

[cbc5g]

11. KO didn't attack Hillary until it was obvious she couldn't win and she was hurting our nominee

He had Rachel Maddow on AGREEING with him. How sexist is that?

[alphafemale]

13. "I'm mad at everybody," said Darla Stone. That pretty much says all you need to know. nt

[high density]

14. These people sound like the Bush admin bitching that too much negativity is coming out of Iraq

If there isn't anything positive to report then it would be biased to start making up crap that says otherwise.

This is the same media that told us in 2007 that no other candidates need apply; Clinton was the candidate and it was inevitable. It's also the same media that said the same thing about Dean in 2003.

[Marrah_G]

15. I agree- both of them acted like assholes

I don't watch either of them anymore.

[cbc5g]

17. Must not have hurt KO that bad since his ratings kept going up and up

[MadBadger]

21. The DNC's bylaws committee which was made up 13 Clinton People and only 8 Obama people

And the superdelegates who rushed to Clinton before even any primary was held.

[Indenturedebtor]

22. They didn't start criticizing her until she went off the deep end

Shoot the messenger if you want folks but when she continued to divide the party and fling crap at our nominee months after she had a chance they called her on it. I'm sorry if that was unpleasant, but its not as though they lied about her is it? Is it? Could you show me please?

[Tatiana]

24. Yeah, and Faux News is "fair and balanced."

Or so Lanny Davis and Terry MacAulife have proclaimed.

These people need to get over themselves.

Yes, Chris Matthews was a jerk, but he is an equal opportunity jerk. How many times how we heard the same message repeated ad nauseum by Hillary Clinton (WHAT DOES HE DO TO WIN OVER THE LUNCH BUCKET DEMOCRATS? THE WHITE WORKING CLASS! THE PEOPLE FROM PENNSYLVANIA! THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE IN SCRANTON! HOW DOES HE WIN OVER WHITE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE? HA!)

That's Tweety's mantra every day on Hardball: Obama can't win over non-educated white people. Every guest that comes on the show, Tweety is hammering home this theme, ignoring the fact that in places like Virginia and Wisconsin and Oregon, Obama DID win over white working-class voters.

And if you want to trip over Keith Olbermann, please tell me how you felt about him giving all those very flattering interviews to both President Clinton and Hillary Clinton (right after she announced).

It was only when the Clinton campaign grabbed the kitchen sink and threw it at Obama, that some in the progressive media (like Olbermann and Maddow, for instance), along with blogs like DailyKos and AmericaBlog and most of the progressive blogosphere except for MyDD, that you could see a sentiment expressed in the media that "enough was enough." Clinton had gone too far, and I don't think there was anything wrong with Keith or any other media person stating this fact.

Poll after poll conducted (even in states that Clinton won) showed that voters thought Clinton was unfairly attacking Obama.

[Beacool]

26. Kling is right!!!

The media's sexism has been going on for years now, but none more evident than during this election.

Who can forget:

- Chris Matthews and his many idiotic remarks, such as this gem: We all know why Hillary is a senator. It's because her husband "messed around".

- KO's bombastic and overreaching diatribes. After a while they are just funny.

- Tucker Carlson claiming to cross his legs every time Hillary appears on his screen, while at the same time stating in an Elle interview that she was his "secret fantasy".

_ Shuster claiming that Hillary was "pimping" Chelsea.

And so on from MSNBC......

Add to that comments about Hillary being like an ex-wife or the wife outside probate court.

Also, comments about her voice (shrill), laughter (cackle), ankles (cankles), size of her rear end, clothes, age, hair and the column last summer by the WP about her cleavage.

Boy, it's soooo heartwarming to see how the media treated a former first lady, a sitting US senator and a presidential candidate. Yep, it's great to see how enlightened our so called journalists are in this day and age.

:puke:

[underpants]

27. They actually believe the RNC/Rovian talking point about playing victim to the media?

that's sad.

I thought that was just done to pressure the media to report more positively on them or at least not to report on their daily rake-stepping excercise.

[PoliticalAmazon]

28. I am fucking sick to death of the constant whining and faux victimness....

of some of the Hillary supporters.

If Hillary had not acted like such a douchebag during her campaign, there would not be anything to criticize her about.

Pew Research did a study on the media coverage of the two candidates and MSNBC was found to have positive statements about BOTH candidates about 73% of the time. However, when Hillary and her ever-whining supporters started blubbering about "unfair media coverage" of Hillary, the positive coverage increased for Clinton but decreased for Obama.

So we see that Hillary and her supporters have, yet again, successfully used a Bush/Rove tactic: whine about he media being unfair to influence to start giving you unearned positive coverage.

[Beacool]

31. Douchebag????

That in itself is a sexist remarks, aside from being very offensive.

[PoliticalAmazon]

32. Oh, give it a rest. The term is used for men and women. n/t

[ampad]

34. LMAO

You cannot say shit anymore when it comes to queen Hillary. It's almost as bad as when the right wingers put Bush on a fucking golden calf and named him King of the world. Anything you say about Bush is considered anti-patriotic. Anything you say about Hillary is considered hate and oh you hate women also. It's getting a little old.

[jillan]

30. That should say MOST, not some.

Olbermann definitely needs some valium. The man gets so hyper during #1 that he sometimes drools.
And Tweety needs some major time off, or retire. He is becoming senile.