Why does Hillary need the DNC to come to her rescue?

[George_Bonanza]

I thought Hillary was all for independence and empowerment. Why are some of her more bitter supporters angry that some stodgy old men (and women) of the Democratic party didn't come to rescue her from scary old Chris Matthews? Obama was left to fend for himself when Rev. Wright (an extremely race-related issue) exploded. Some bitter Hillary supporters may point to the likes of Ted Kennedy and John Kerry as anti-feminist chauvinists, but it was Hillary and not Obama who had a huge advantage in superdelegates prior to the start of the primaries.

It's a total lie that the DNC and the media started to push her out prematurely. WHO WAS THE ALL-BUT-NOMINATED FRONT-RUNNER SINCE 2005? Only when it became apparent that she was nearly mathematically eliminated AND engaged in anti-Democratic kitchen sink tactics that the anti-Hillary (rightfully, IMHO) began to pick up. You endorse a Republican over a Democrat and engage in ham-fisted race-baiting and you expect people to be nice?

Stop trying to revise history and ennoble Hillary's loss. Was there sexism? Yes. Was there racism? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that the candidate with the once-insurmountable lead collapsed to a superior visionary and politician.

[Why Syzygy]

1. Some people have a very illogical view of reality.

Some of them are downright scary.

[MaraJade]

6. Yes.

Very, very frightening indeed.

[DURHAM D]

2. What drivel -

The Democratic Party needs Hillary and Bill Clinton more than Hillary and Bill need the Democratic Party.

[cliffordu]

31. BWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAH! Nice. Great humor!

[Exilednight]

32. That's fucking funny, a total lie, but fucking funny. n/t

[roguevalley]

36. you haven't got a clue how this process works if you think that. this

is not a theocracy. honestly, this bill/hillary thing is ridiculous. truly.

[TahitiNut]

38. Yup. Like a fish needs a bicycle, as the old saying goes.

:eyes: Delusional nonsense.

[Butch350]

44. Oh PleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeZ!

Out with the old - in with the new!

[StevieM]

3. It's YOUR opinion, not fact, that she collapsed to a superior visionary. I much preferred her vision

for universal health care.

And the campaign didn't collapse, it went to the end, with Obama not really guaranteeing a victory until his NC win in May. Ususally the winning candidate knocks out the competition on Super Tuesday--Obama won on points, and didn't even get enough PDs to claim the nomination.

His dominance of the caucues is why he won. The great vision didn't catch on in a whole lot of states, including some liberal states.

Hillary wasn't as far ahead in early 08 as Al Gore was in early 99. There were a lot of people with concerns, and she worked hard in 07 to win over new voters. Those people who she later lost were not with her in the beginning, as is often claimed. The media just loves this narrative.

It is very telling that you say people with a different assesment are "revising history." And I found a lot of nobility in Hillary's campaign.

Steve

[rch35]

8. Every post you make sounds like you cut and pasted from some online list, and added

a touch of your own opinion to make it look original

[leftofcool]

13. As a former English teacher and college professor

I find Steve's answers to be clear, concise and right to the point which is exactly what is needed in this forum

[QC]

24. It's a mark of how far this forum has fallen

that anything that does not include the word 'fuck,' LOTS OF OUTRAGED CAPS and, of course, the classic !!1!!!!111!, is seen as inauthentic.

It's hard to believe that there was a time when DU was one of the smarter online discussion boards.

[rch35]

30. its not reasoned discussion im arguing about. im pointing out that

his post sounded like a bunch of talking points thrown together and presented as opinion.


edit: FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!~11111 HILLARY IS SATAN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!! FUCK !!!1111!

[JoFerret]

18. Funny you should think that

While it is so true of so many posts. I did not find it true of this one.

[JoFerret]

16. Correct

The OP has a myopically false view and is promulgating divisive nonsense for whatever purposes of her/ his own. It sure is not victory in November.

Such dead enders need to be wrung out and hung out to dry.

[Exilednight]

33. There was nothing universal about her health care policy. Hillary started out with every ........

advantage. The most SD's lined up, the most money, her husbands machine was still in place, and she pissed it all away with her hybristic attitude.

She was short sighted and arrogant, and anything else is revisionism.

[StevieM]

40. I don't understand how you can say that he health care plan wasn't universal.

It covered everyone.

It is remarkable that if a person disagrees with you and says they don't think Hillary was arrogant that you consider that revisionism, rather then a different assesment. That is the kind of arrogance that turns some poeple off of the Obama campaign. I am trying really hard to like him--but the hard-core revolutionaries don't make it easy.

Clinton did not have the most money.

Steve

[Butch350]

43. Clinton did not have the most money.

I wonder why?

Listen clitonites, I feel your pain. Heck, if Hillary had won - i'd be voting for McCain too!

Don't worry, things will be ok - you can vote for Hillary again in eight(8) years - and again she'll lose, only bigger!

Smiles to you!

[StevieM]

45. Way to bring the party together.....just what wavering Democrats want to hear.

This is the arrogance that is the hallmark of a losing GE campaign.

Steve

[Life Long Dem]

4. There must be a 1001 excuses for why she lost

And none of them deal with her saying one thing and doing another thing when it comes to her policies.

[MaraJade]

7. Thank you so very much

for helping to prove my point about Obama supporters. They hate Hillary supporters and have no
respect whatsoever for any of their concerns. It's all about Obama winning and not about
the kitchen table issues that bedevil half of the American people. We are all bitter folks
who cling to our religion and our guns for comfort in the face of our political and financial
losses.

We understand. Believe me, we really do understand.

Thank you.

Kick!

[Sinistrous]

10. Fascinating.

Post #4 implies none of the things that you allege.

Yours is a total nonsequitur.

[Life Long Dem]

14. Thanks

Yeah, my post was the complete opposite of the reply. My post wasn't about Clinton's supporters (now Obama supporters), and my post was exactly about the issues themselves - that was my whole point. :crazy:

[JoFerret]

17. Tripe

Take Hillary's advice. Move forward. Don't waste time looking back and stirring up divisiveness. She laid out a great agenda for the party on Saturday. Time to get moving on achieving it.

[MaraJade]

5. Hillary had always been left to fend for herself. . .

I don't understand your post at all. "Stop trying to enoble Hillary's loss?" What's that all about
other than to degrade and shame her supporters.

Figures. Typical of Obama supporters.

Thank you for your support.

[rch35]

9. Give me a fucking break. Hillary has always been left to fend for herself?

Your whole argument collapses with that shockingly (but hilariously) ridiculous statement.

[KittyWampus]

26. so when Mediawhores refused to tell America that Hillary had no chance of winning but repeatedly

said, "you can never count a Clinton out"... that was fending for herself?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

11. Media mistweating poo' liddle Hiwwawy

(((((((( The RBC Update: John McCain: One interview, two gaffes ))))))))

2008.06.08 21:23:26


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He flatly denies saying what he actually said to a national TV
audience just last Tuesday, about how the media had been
mistweating poo' liddle Hiwwawy. And he says that his new
position that the President may engage in warrantless
wiretapping in violation of criminal statutes is no change at
all from his earlier position that "Presidents have the
obligation to obey and enforce laws that are passed by Congress
and signed into law by the president, no matter what the
situation is."

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http://www.samefacts.com/archives/john_mccain_/2008/06/john_mccain_one_interview_two_gaffes.php

[JoFerret]

19. Dead ender

get moving forward. Stop staying stuck in your divisive nastiness. Hillary showed you the way. Find a way to work for that vision.

Start working for democratic victories rather than divisive petty mindedness. There's work to be done. Real work.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. time for Hillary to ask her troops to stop posting hate stuff her blog

that will help bunches.

[JoFerret]

39. Time for you to ask Obama

for help. You seem to need it. No doubt he has as much control over you as Hillary does over all her supporters.

(It's OVER. Time to focus on the future not create more problems by looking back.)

It's not Obama v. Hillary any more.

[crickets]

12. She doesn't. The DLC tried to finance her inevitability and failed.

Her loss doesn't have to do with people disliking her personally or rejecting her due to gender. It happened because people chose to cast their political vote for someone else, and those people outnumbered the ones who voted for her.

The big money donors can suck eggs.

The rank and file can (and will) deal with it. :grouphug: Given time, most of the rest of the mess can be chalked up to Rovian BS.


Elections 101: The End.





















Chris Matthews: HA!

[MonkeyFunk]

15. how much money did the DLC give Clinton?

[JoFerret]

20. Hillary needs to

come to the rescue of the DNC. It seems to me.

[Skwmom]

21. The goal is most likely to replace Dean for her 2012 run. She needs

to get people angry at the DNC so she can get rid of Dean.

[democrattotheend]

41. I think you are on to something there

The Clintons pushed Wesley Clark to get into the presidential race late in 2004, in part because they feared Dean and his grassroots movement. Kind of ironic that he ended up as DNC chair and may have made things more difficult for her.

I am on alert for any stealth activity from anyone geared toward 2012, but for now, I am going to give her credit for her gracious speech and for releasing her delegates. But I am staying vigilant and we all need to do the same.

[Darth_Kitten]

22. Puff up your chest some more if it makes you happy.

n/t

[Triana]

23. Your last paragraph caps it nicely...

"Was there sexism? Yes. Was there racism? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that the candidate with the once-insurmountable lead collapsed to a superior visionary and politician."

Nail on the head! (well, I'd say she collapsed to the candidate with the better-run campaign).

[QC]

25. You have two more days. Get it out of your system while you can. n/t

[Seabiscuit]

27. This is the kind of poster Skinner will tombstone beginning Wednesday.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rocktivity]

29. They're bitter because they're woefully misinformed.

The DNC has to stay politically neutral until a presumtive nominee is chosen.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Beacool]

34. It's not about sexism with Kerry and Kennedy.

It's about the left wing of the party against the moderates. The left has been trying to throw the Clintons under the bus for a long time and saw an opportunity to do so through Obama. It's that simple. Hillary may have lost the nomination but, to the chagrin of some people, neither Clinton is going anywhere.

[karynnj]

42. It looked to me like the Clintons were throwing Kerry under the bus

on a nearly weekly basis in 2005 and 2006 - with the way they treated him when he opted to fight against Alito and when he pushed Kerry/Feingold.

Remember how for the last two weeks, there have been articles of how the Senate could create a special role for HRC because she almost ran? Well, in 2005, when Kerry was first back in the Senate before much work even began there was a whisper campaign that Reid thought Kerry was demanding too much of a leadership role - when the actions of questioning the policy would have been ok by anyone - even a Freshman Senator. Kerry had won the nomination - and came close to being President - that did give him a legitimate claim to being one of the leaders - a claim they denied.

Then came the series of books by the Clintonistas about 2004. One difference between the well run primary run and the GE - there were no Clinton people in the former.

Kerry, by the way, helped Clinton even as one of the candidates in the 1992 primaries - when he defended Clinton's patriotism with a speech that showed how much he loved the country. (http://journals.democraticunderground.com/karynnj/18 ) That may have been the first, but it wasn't the last time Kerry defended Clinton.

Even this year, while endorsing Obama, he never said anything negative about HRC and often contrasted McCain to the Democrats - including HRC. This is better than when both Bill and Hillary praised McCain and Clinton at Obama's expense. It was the Clintons who declared that Kerry was "dead" to them for endorsing. (Note: neither endorsed Kerry in the primary - Bill wanted Clark) I didn't hear Kerry call Gore (who he endorsed over Bradley) dead to him. )

[Mezzo]

37. your post is bullshit, to speak nothing of the strawman.