How will Bill Clinton be received when he returns to Harlem?

[mod mom]

The Af Ams I work with in Ohio are furious with the Clintons. I wonder if anyone knows if Bill will be held accountable for his vicious remarks when he returns to Harlem.

Also remember how Sen Obama received zero votes within some precincts in Harlem? Was that resolved? I never heard any further info on this.

Thanks. :hi:

[redqueen]

1. Heh.

Good question.

[jasmine621]

2. I hope they are more intelligent than many here. Bill made no

"vicious" attacks. He has been maligned, misquoted, and demeaned enough. Put his words in the mouth of anyone else and there would be nothing to talk about.

[mod mom]

6. "he gets other people to slime her" Refers to Obama's pastors :

"You know he didn't use a single name, cite a single source in all those things he said. It's just slimy. It's part of the national media's attempt to nail Hillary for Obama. It's just the most biased press coverage in history. It's another way of helping Obama. They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain-- maybe I better quit the church. It's all politics. It's all about the bias of the media for Obama. Don't think anything about it."

listen at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/bill-clinton-purdhum-a-sl_b_104771.html

and that's just the latest example!

[Carolina]

13. vicious no, but dismissive yes

Exhibit A: the dismissive way he compared Obama's and Jesse Jackson's SC primary victories.

Bill also projects and blames. Exhibit B) faulting the Obama camp for Purdum's Vanity Fair article. That's a stretch.

Black people defended and welcomed Bill when his own kind kicked him to the curb. But Bill -- in his narcissistic quest to return to power vicariously through Hillary -- definitely engaged in race baiting. He was not misquoted or maligned. Those of us who are black heard Billary with our own ears and collectively reacted. He has definitely -- and justifiably -- lost support. He can still return to Harlem but there will definitely be a chill in the air.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

112. AMEN!! Black people defended the Clintons and stood by them

when their own supporters abandoned them. Just because many of us no longer support the Clintons due to their disgusting, racist behavior throughout this campaign, doesn't make us "vicious" and "unintelligent". To assert otherwise is itself racist!

[jgraz]

89. You need to familiarize yourself with the concept of dogwhistle politics

Bill Clinton's a good ol' boy from Arkansas. He knew exactly what he was saying and he knew exactly how all those "hard working white Americans" would take it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

109. This statement is outrageous and very racist! You need to apologize!

[grantcart]

3. He decided to move the office to Kentucky

[mitchum]

62. LMAO!!!

nicely done :)

[goclark]

67. I heard from a friend that lives in Harlem

that Bill rarely came to his "Harlem" office.

That surprised me because I thought that was his only office and that he stayed around the area a lot.

For what it's worth, my friend stood by his statement.

Does anyone else know something different?

[vaberella]

90. No that's true. He does show up, but rarely. I know where his office is.

He has other people working in the office. You can find out on his website. It kind of tells you in a round about way that someone else is in charge, not him.

This campaign is a good example of this. He'd have to have someone in charge while he was with his wife. That person is normally in charge, because he's off for guest appearances and talks regularly.

[Tatiana]

119. Or West Virginia

:rofl:

[frog92969]

4. I'd really like to know about those Harlem votes too

I haven't heard anything.
There's also that issue of the machine in PA that started up with 500 Clinton votes.
Obviously this race wasn't as close as it appeared, I hope somebody's looking into it. It would be nice to expose any election fraud before the GE.

[Genevieve]

64. Several Harlem precincts recorded 0 votes for Obama.

So fucked-up.

[frog92969]

69. I know, I want investigations

I want examples made out of the traitors responsible.
But what I really want is for all those vote-stealing machines to be torn down and used to build electric cars.

I swear there's better security in a state fair raffle than there is with our democracy.

Have you heard of anything being done about those Harlem votes?

[Genevieve]

70. Last I heard Bloomberg had ordered an investigation.

But that was a while ago, and I have never geard of anything since then. I know that quite a few districts were involved.

I love your idea: "vote-stealing machines to be torn down and used to build electric cars."

[EFerrari]

73. Iirc, the counts were rectified before the vote was certified

-- I read that in the ER forum. But I'm sorry, I don't have a link.

[frog92969]

105. That's good news

Still doesn't do much for the old confidence meter.

[Middle finga]

5. People like Charlie Rangel will continue to kiss his ass so I guess

he'll be OK

[Stephanie]

30. Rangel just shamed HRC on television.

He kept to his pledge to support her until somebody won the race and then he said, I'm done!

[Middle finga]

40. He's an old school New York politician so he knows how to play

the game, he got to go get in good with the new guy. They say in Politics there are no perminent friends only permenent interest.

[OzarkDem]

7. Pretty sad, isn't it?

How a guy like Clinton who has worked so well and given so much support to the AA community was attacked unfairly as a racist. Some day people will look back on the whole sordid mess and feel ashamed and dirty.

As info, all the AA's I know and work with still support Bill Clinton and didn't fall for the "racism" bait.

:hi:

[hedgehog]

14. Exactly what support did Clinton give to the African American community aside from

opening his office in Harlem? What did he do for the African American community above and beyond what its members deserved as American citizens?

[Stephanie]

38. Opening his office there was part of the gentrification that is pushing many residents OUT of Harlem

I don't think he did Harlem residents any favors.

[Willo]

45. That's for sure

I doubt if he will feel comfortable walking around like he used to.

[mitchum]

60. But...but...but...he plays the saxophone like many famous Black men!

Pity that he plays it so poorly

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

114. What the hell?!?! Bill Clinton worked for US as Americans. This is not a plantation

Bill Clinton is NOT the Master. We are not his Slaves! How dare you!! Blacks have stood behind the Clintons through thick and thin, even when the Republicans and many WHITE Democrats turned their back on him. He betrayed blacks with his racist rants and Hillary's racially-coded slights.

WE DON'T OWE THE CLINTONS JACK SHIT!!! NOTHING!!! THEY OWE US AN APOLOGY FOR HOW THEY HAVE RUN THIS RACE!!!!!

[TexasObserver]

8. AWKWARD!!

[mtnsnake]

9. Same as always. Like a hero. What's your point?

[Genevieve]

29. No, because as a New Yorker I can tell you that

they're really not into him anymore in Harlem.

[Stephanie]

31. Bill Perkins has been organizing Harlem for Obama

And I think Bill should consider making a play for her Senate seat. He'd be a GREAT voice for NY.

[Genevieve]

33. Bill Perkins: Harlem is Not Clinton's Plantation! It's Obama Country!

Love him!

[Stephanie]

35. Love him!

He is a GREAT guy, a fantastic politician, sincere, PROGRESSIVE, just all around cool. In fact I have a little crush on him. I would REALLY encourage him to make a move on her seat.

[Genevieve]

50. I hope he does!

(make a move on her seat.)

[mod mom]

54. I'm from Ohio, but I gladly donate to a progressive challenger. Time to end corporate rule

for good in the Democratic Party.

[Stephanie]

72. I will start making a list and we will hit you up for that promise

there is already movement afoot to fund a challenger

[mod mom]

107. please do. I'm serious! We need change and not Democratics carrying the water

for lobbyists & corporations. President Obama will need his own party to back him if change is going to occur.

[rug]

41. Do you live in Harlem?

[Genevieve]

43. You're asking me because?

I iive downtown, Greenwich Village....a few minutes away on the A train.
My family lives in Harlem, and I go to grad school in West Harlem.
And, I eat at Sylvia's alot!

Actually, if you'de like to know, I live much closer to Chelsea, who I see here in restaurants all the time. One time (about a year ago) I told her that I loved her father. I wish I could still feel like that.

Here's the best part---Barbara bush (the younger) is my neighbor!

:puke:

[JVS]

10. I hope he doesn't go around shouting that someone has played the race card on him.

I have a feeling it might not go over.

[Maddy McCall]

11. They know him and love him. He could have put his office anywhere in the US.

He chose Harlem.

He will be as welcome now as he was when he decided to locate there.

Not everyone shares the anti-clinton pathogen that's infested the nastiest Obama supporters at DU.

[genna]

I hope the Harlem residents forgive and forget. I haven't seen either Clinton in any AA churches l

lately, have you?

I am sure they both know what their reception will be. I'm not sure how that reflects on DU, but then again I'm always interested in how AAs feelings are used to support and defend an argument.

There are a few AAs on DU, just ask us.

[StevieM]

22. There is no need to forgive and forget--he did nothing wrong (eom)

[Jazzgirl]

23. I would say there are quite a few AA's on DU. n/t

[Carolina]

16. not true, there was a big stink about his office

which he wanted located in another part of Manhattan. It was then, and only then, that he moved to Harlem because black people always supported and defended him. And they welcomed him then.

We, black people, are a heterogeneous group and while there is a definite chill after this campaign, some will forgive and even forget the race baiting the Clintons engaged in during their scorched. Many others -- myself, my relatives, most of my friends -- NEVER WILL.

[Stephanie]

32. He wanted an outrageously expensive ofc on 57th St.

And the RW screamed bloody murder and then he took the less expensive space in Harlem. It was a compromise and a rather brilliant one. But I doubt he'll be dining at Sylvia's any time soon. :hi:

[Genevieve]

37. They used to love Bill at Sylvia's!

That was true "Rock Star Status".
Not so much anymore.

[Genevieve]

25. "They know him and love him. He could have put his office anywhere in the US."

Not.

HARLEM FLIPS ON CLINTON
By LARA MOSCRIP
May 12, 2008 -- Harlem was once the only place in the nation where Hillary Rodham Clinton could count on black support. Now it's hard to find any Clinton backers there, even in the shadow of her husband's 125th Street office.

Harlem is not such a big place, less than 2 miles long and a few city blocks wide.
Come to Harlem, you'll see.

[Willo]

46. Where'd you get that info? You do know where Harlem is, right? nt

[Genevieve]

48. Obviously she has no clue.

And I think it's a damn insult to AA's to suggest that they will welcome him with open arms after what he did to them.

[greguganus]

100. Still living in your little Clinton fantasy world. n/t

[Ashy Larry]

12. When Bill returns to Harlem,

nobody will see him. They will see some black SUVs pull into a parking garage.

[Stephanie]

36. Precisely

See my post below.

:toast:

[Mike L]

15. He's already been backstabbed. What else can happen? em

[FrenchieCat]

18. odd thing is that he was holding the knife!

[Stephanie]

34. he's burned his bridges - the Clinton arrogance has come back to bite them

Clinton's Road to Second Place
By JACKIE CALMES
June 4, 2008; Page A1

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121252558317842545-lMyQjAxMDI4MTAyNDUwMjQ1Wj.html

---snip---

Among the party leaders Mr. Clinton alienated over time by his angry tirades was South Carolina's Rep. Jim Clyburn, the third-ranking House leader and a civil-rights-movement veteran.

Before South Carolina's primary, Mr. Clyburn admonished Sen. Clinton for suggesting President Johnson deserved more credit than Martin Luther King Jr. for civil-rights laws. On primary night, Mr. Clinton called Mr. Clyburn and they spoke for 50 minutes. "Let's just say it wasn't pleasant," Mr. Clyburn says.

Mr. Clinton called Mr. Clyburn an expletive, say Democrats familiar with the exchange. Mr. Clyburn's office would confirm only that the former president used "offensive" words. Some day soon, the congressman says, he'll write about the incident. On Tuesday, he endorsed Mr. Obama for president.

[Mike L]

39. That didn't cause 91% of African Americans to vote for Obama against HRC. em

[EFerrari]

94. Actually, yes, it did. She had that block before her campaign

noticed Obama was black and started race baiting.

[Shakespeare]

17. A lot of stony silence, I imagine.

Harlem's going to be pretty chilly for awhile.

[ShaneGR]

19. He will be welcomed back with open arms....

Keep in mind that his policies during the 90s, particularly the urban renewal initiatives, pretty much saved Harlem. DU is not representative of the reality on the ground, plus most people have very short memories.

[Raineyb]

21. I wouldn't put it quite like that

More like the urban renewal initiatives paved the way for gentrification which has priced many long time residents out of Harlem. To be honest, I wouldn't go so far as to say that the memories of the 90's are so rosy that the former President's behavior of the recent past will be so easily overlooked. No one likes to think that they were fooled by a person for so many years.

Regards

[Genevieve]

26. Um,.

I'm a New Yorker and I have alot of ties to Harlem,
and NO -- He will not be welcomed with open arms.
Not a chance.

[Willo]

47. Former Harlemite.

Used, insulted, disrespected that's some of the reactions.

Another Pathmark or basketball court won't fix it.

[Genevieve]

49. or Duane Reade.

:hug:


Well, I don't think he's going to be eating his weekly grilled catfish at Sylvia's for some time.

[Willo]

51. LOL, how about that.

:hug:

[LowerManhattanite]

57. Born in Harlem—W. 115th St.

Lived there on three separate occasions—W. 137th, W. 165th (call it Washington Hts. if you must), and E. 127th.)

Worked in TV up there for years, and still do business and hang out there at least twice a week.

The feelings about Bill Clinton are NOT warm and fuzzy nowadays, and Sen. Clinton is going to have to mend some seriously busted fences when her re-up for the Senate comes a' cropper. Not just with Harlemite Pols like Keith Wright, but with other old-school dons around town and in the State Senate like Al Vann and others. Calvin Butts up at Abyssinnian (Baptist Church) has got a major mad on for the conduct of the election post S.C. The Black NY pols ill-feelings have been written about in the news in the last week. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clintonblacks25-2008may25,0,2206514.story

And as to “the people on the street”, they never see Bill as he is routinely whisked out the garage entrance on W. 126th with strong security, so the “open arms” shpiel is based on long-ago photo ops when he first took the office up there—which was not his first choice I might add. (He was getting jerked around by building boards who were friendly to that rat-bastard Giuliani when he was still Mayor, and he spited them by going uptown where they had no pull.)

Trust me, feelings are raw, and the way things ended yesterday did not help.

[Genevieve]

59. y'know what?

I think they got scared away .. .. :yoiks:
They've become awfully quiet all of a sudden, these ignorant fucks from Missisippi.

On edit: I'm tired: This was a reply to Post #53.

[Willo]

68. LOL. It got too hard to make stuff up I guess :)

My responses get sharp and nasty when I'm tired so I've avoided responding to a few.

Have a good night. :)

[Willo]

66. W. 115th,

W.144th and W.127th. Worked in the T. Towers for a bit.

As for her senate seat. I don't see fences being mended and I'll be working on getting her out of that seat. Upstate NY has buyer's remorse due to her broken promises. Her senate seat is done for and I think she knows it. :hi:

[LowerManhattanite]

71. Interesting! My wife worked at WTC2, was late for work on Sept. 11th...

...because of voting. Thank God! Her building was hit while she was on the pay phone on Liberty St. telling co-workers to leave because WTC 1 was ablaze next to it. Lost three friends though. :(

I was born at Harlem Hospital and we originally were over near 120th & Manhattan Ave.—they call that Morningside Hts. nowadays. :)

As to the Senate seat, it's a HUGE issue. I personally think she went so scorched earth at the end because she sort of knew she'd torn her ass with the NY voters. She's got four years to mend things, but people have long memories when it comes to slights in NY, and there may be nothing to go back to as a well-funded challenger can dig up those YouTubes of all the ugly stuff from this campaign can make a primary race hell for her here. If said challenger managed to peel away 15 to 20 percent of the Black vote and she could conceivably be a dead duck.

She won very few counties in the state, but carried the densely populated downstate five boroughs region. If the heavy Black-populationed downstate vote was compromised-look out!

I brought a couple of friends from out of town up to Sylvia's this past weekend for dinner and yes, we toddled over to the Lenox Lounge for post-dinner drinkys. :)

I think back to my youth and going east by La Marqueta and smelling the fresh bacalao. Mmmmmmm!

[Cha]

86. They should be raw. Nobody likes

the feeling of being used by people willing to step on anybody to further their own advancement. Especially it's our country we're talkin' about.

I vote for Jonathan Tasini in 2006.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/

[genna]

120. I am glad you used this article...I knew AA NYers weren't deaf

Assemblyman Karim Camara of Brooklyn contributed $500 to Hillary Clinton's Senate reelection campaign in 2006 and described Bill Clinton as a political hero. He said: "Once the campaign is over there has to be a lot of work to heal the wounds. She needs to go back to the black churches she visited in the course of her campaign and have a frank conversation about who she is and how much the support of the black community means. There would not have been a first Clinton presidency in 1992 if not for the African American community."

All jokes aside...
I knew that the level of anger in NY was going to be palpable.

Once she gave up the run for the presidency, I knew all bets would be off. That Kentucky and West Virginia run was a nightmare for anyone who wants to retain a seat in NY state.

African American leaders said she could repair frayed ties by visiting black churches, backing legislation that shows she is sensitive to conditions in black neighborhoods, and apologizing for comments she and her husband made that seemed to polarize voters and marginalize Obama.

All politics is local.


I don't live in NY, but I'm waiting for this explanation that will demonstrate how unintentional and well-meaning all this talk was.

[woolldog]

53. I love how all the white posters here who have no connection to Harlem

are telling you what the reaction will be in Harlem and how black people will react. lol

Talk about arrogance.

[Genevieve]

56. Self-delete

OOpps!

[Genevieve]

58. Don't you love it though?

It's beyond arrogance that they believe Bill Clinton will be welcomed with opened arms. They must think black people are stupid.
WTF???

[mod mom]

55. You mean Telecom Act of '96, Most favored trade to China, NAFTA, banking mergers?

That sure helped black folks, white folks and all people of color in general now didn't it? (IF THEY WERE IN THE TOP 1%)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

115. Don't forget about the Omnibus Crime Bill which strengthened Three Strikes...

...and treated powdered and crack cocaine offenses differently. Yeah, that certainly aided poor blacks! :sarcasm:

[Catherina]

65. Don't bet on it n/t

[mucifer]

20. maybe he can build some more prisons for nonviolent drug offenders

like he did in the '90s. Oh yeah mostly it affected people of color.

[BklynChick]

24. living in NYC and spending a lot of time in Harlem, I can tell you people are pissed off

[vaberella]

88. Not true, it's not like that in Harlem. He may have said things out of control but he's still

welcome.

[ecstatic]

27. His last set of comments about Trinity members sealed his fate, I think

He mischaracterized their reaction to Father Fleger's (sp) remarks.

[Mike L]

42. How so? I can't imagine a characterization that would be too severe.

Why don't you just admit that the vast majority of African Americans voted for Obama because he's black. The statistics prove it. That's racism. It doesn't matter that it was racism in favor of Obama. Racism is racism whichever way it cuts.

[ecstatic]

44. He was wrong

They weren't applauding because they view HRC as a "white racist." They were laughing and applauding because 1) The guy was funny as hell 2) EVERYBODY knows that HRC thought she was owed the Presidency and that Obama DID come out of nowhere and destroy her plans. The Father went too far at the end and if you notice a lot of the applause died down as they realized where Pfleger was headed with things.

Secondly, African Americans tend to vote in bloc for democratic candidates. That is nothing new. Obama is the better of the two candidates and thus, received the most support. Has nothing to do with racism. If that was the case, why didn't Alan Keyes do better? Or Al Sharpton? Or Carol Mosely Braun?

[Mike L]

52. Hillary IS a Democrat.....

Alan Keys is a Repub. Sharpton and Braum had no chance and African American voters knew it. Race is the only explanation for 91% of blacks voting for Obama. Statistics don't lie. Bill Clinton is justified in being angry that his wife is a victim of racism. HRC would have won the primary if only 35% of African Americans had voted for her.

[EFerrari]

77. They also voted in those numbers for a number of Democrats, Einstein.

And when this race started, Hillary had that voting block, not Obama. It was hers to lose.

[Raineyb]

101. The perhaps Senator Clinton shouldn't have alienated the black community.

Do you really think that the black community is going to hear something that they think is disrespectful then reward said candidate with their vote? Or do you think black people are stupid, mindless, sheep?

HRC had the majority of the black vote until she threw it away.

Regards

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

117. What you are stating makes no sense. If you are arguing that RACE

and only RACE matters, then Jesse Jackson would have had a better chance. As for Hillary winning, that's simply not true. No Democrat can win without a large black turnout. That has always been the case. And many states have less than 4% black population: states like WY, OR, VT. If this was all about race and Obama couldn't win withouth blacks, then why did he win these states where there were virtually no blacks?

[Beacool]

81. Yeah, because they also didn't applaud wildly

when Wright in his inspiring Christmas sermon capped his diatribe against Hillary with this little gem: "Hillary ain't never been called a nig...".

Yep, that was very uplifting, particularly on Christmas day.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

92. I hope you post many more times to this thread.

[EFerrari]

74. You really have no clue at all, do you?

Good grief.

[Beacool]

78. They'll never admit to it.

91% of AA voting for Obama = racial pride

60% of whites voting for Hillary = racists uneducated bigots.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

80. Go look at the number that voted for Gore and for Kerry

and then, after you get over your shame, come back and defend your ignorance.

[Beacool]

82. What ignorance?

What viable AA candidate ran with Gore and Kerry?

[EFerrari]

93. Thank you.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

118. You admit that Obama is a "viable" candidate. Thanks so much!

That would mean that black people actually used their rational minds and voted for a viable candidate.

[foo_bar]

84. "the statistics prove it" ... source?

The survey of 750 African-Americans, conducted from Oct. 5 to Nov. 2, and released Tuesday found that the senator from New York was rated favorably by 83 percent of respondents, while 10 percent perceived her negatively.

Obama, meanwhile, garnered favorable ratings from 74 percent of blacks, with 10 percent viewing him negatively. <...>

For Obama, the poll provides one more indication of just how steep a climb remains for his campaign to overtake Clinton.

But Obama’s symbolic status has not so far won black voters to favor his campaign.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7065.html (11/2007)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead over Sen. Barack Obama, her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is growing among African-American voters who are registered Democrats, and particularly among black women, a poll said Wednesday.
art.clinton.gi.jpg

Sen. Hillary Clinton is the top choice of African-American Democrats, a new poll suggests.

Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/17/poll.blacks.democrats/index.html (10/2007) "Poll: Black support helps Clinton extend lead"

Although the polls ask different questions, they both show Hillary Clinton leading Obama by nearly two-to-one among African American Democrats: <...>

As per Mickey Kaus's item today, speculation will no doubt center on whether African Americans harbor doubts about Obama. Similar speculation preceded his 2004 primary contest, when Obama won virtually all of black vote among Illinois Democrats. The more likely explanation for the current standings is a combination of Democrats strong loyalty to the Clintons among African Americans (as noted by Kaus) and relative unfamiliarity with Obama among ordinary voters.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/obama_clinton_among_africaname.php (1/2007)

[Beacool]

76. Oh please!!!!!!

It was appalling to hear Pfleger's remarks and equally disturbing to see the reaction of the parishioners.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

116. The Clintons and Ed Rendell praised Farrakhan back in the late '90s...

...and Bill Clinton invited Rev. Wright to his morning prayer breakfast the day AFTER he confessed to the country that he had lied about his affair with Monica. That room was full of black pastors and preachers. And black people came to Clinton's defense, even though he had disrespected his wife, even though he had lied to the country, black people embraced him and understood that no man is perfect. Forgave him. Not this time.

Again, Bill is NOT our Master. Hillary is NOT our Lady. We are NOT his slaves!!!

[Stephanie]

28. Bill's ofc is in a high rise on 125th St. with an underground parking garage.

People on the street there just laugh about it, they say the pols drive in and the pols drive out, but they never see them. (Info gleaned while canvassing there) Rangel's ofc is in the same building, btw. I wonder what will happen when they meet in the elevator?!

[cornermouse]

61. Bill did a lot of things right while he was a president.

He was like most of us in that he wasn't born a child of wealth and privilege. He knew what it was like to not get everything he ever wanted when he was a child. He was the most successful democratic president in my lifetime anyway. He did a lot of good for the nation and we had 8 years of peace and prosperity while the republicans continually attacked and hounded both him and Hillary with the hope that they could destroy him. You saw precious few democratic congressmen support them during his presidency. I would like to think that, unlike the posters on DU, the people of Harlem can and will remember that.

[Genevieve]

63. Uh,

Like forgiving an abusive spouse, right?

[Beacool]

75. He'll be received fine.

Besides, he could have placed his office anywhere in NYC and he chose Harlem. This whole thing is just a bump on the road.

[EFerrari]

79. I hope the good residents of Harlem remember to be properly grateful.

lol

[Beacool]

83. If they don't, who cares?

He can move his office somewhere else.

[EFerrari]

85. Exactly. Who cares. n/t

[JVS]

113. If they aren't I could lend him my father's old "I voted for LBJ" t-shirt

People would stop dad in the street and kiss him when he wore that shirt.

[vaberella]

87. I live in Harlem. He will be treated like a Prince as always. I don't know about him and Rangell

though. Blacks and Hispanics love him here, he'll be just fine, don't you worry.

[EFerrari]

91. Let us know how that works out. Poor Charlie has had to deal

with one after another stupid remark and now this. He's getting it from all sides.

I wouldn't want to hang out at the water cooler in that building, that's for sure.

[vaberella]

97. I've had problems with Rangell's office before. You don't know what it's like there.

[EFerrari]

102. Maybe I do. The last time we tried to talked to Nancy Pelosi

she said we weren't her constituents.

Hang in there. :)

[redstate_democrat]

99. sure he will. n/t

lol

[vaberella]

95. HARLEM VOTES WERE STOLEN---I HAVE DOCUMENTATION!!!

Finally someone started the thread. I'm actually going to Congressman Rangell about this nonsense. I was busy with finals so I never got around to it!!! I'm so fuckin' pissed.

I worked for the Board of Elections. I'm an independent voter and always runs as such. Both me and my sister went to our voting places and decided not to work that time around for the primaries...because of other obligations.

Now they had my name on the list for the past 4 years I've been voting and I made sure of it because I worked primaries and GE. I went this year for the primary on super Tuesday and they tell me that my name wasn't on the list.

My sister's name was on the list and my dad wh passed away almost three years ago was on the list. Yet, I wasn't on the list and I worked for them. They told me to fill out a ballot.

I was against it. I didn't want to do it. I spoke to our head lady and told her that they won't count my vote, I get this feeling it's a set up. They tell me not to worry and fill it out.

I filled out and chose Obama. My sister chose Obama. I get a letter in the mail saying that I was not registered to vote and my vote was not counted because of it. I was like what the fuck!! I worked for you guys, so I know I was registered. I was even called in to work for Super Tuesday. I almost had a titty attack and so I'm ready to apply again. Maybe they are right and someting happened.

Three days later, letter number two comes in say ing I was registered and it was they're mistake but my vote for Obama was still not counted.

WE ALL VOTED FOR OBAMA HERE!! Everyone I spoke too in the voting location voted for Obama and not Hillary. This is the Harlem precint and our votes were fucked with. Let me tell you, I will be having words with Rangell of this sort of shit. Because I don't need that crap during the GE!!!

[EFerrari]

96. Unless people like you speak up, they'll steal it again.

If you need back up, go visit our Election Reform forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

:hi:

[vaberella]

98. I plan on it. My sister and I are going down there. I've been working in grassroot organising for

years, so I know about reform and speaking out against injustice. It was disgusting what was done. I can't wait to meet that man and let him know.

[foo_bar]

104. I'd take a copy to Bloomberg (who said of the primary, "I guess that's a euphemism for fraud")

Nothing against Rangel but don't expect a Hillary chair to get to the bottom of it. I had a similar experience in a pro-Obama precinct represented by another delegate in hot water, provisional vote for Obama tossed out on a technicality (technically I was registered Green, but the prov. ballot had a checkbox for "I am hereby a Democrat (affix drop of blood)" which pollworkers insisted would do the trick) in a poll station which coincidentally had a giant poster of grinning Hillary not two feet from the lever machine; I asked the poll people if they could cover The Hillary, like with a jacket, and they looked sorta sad and shook their heads (her poster was there before the election, since she'd visited the school in some official capacity, and the machines just happened to be located near the spot, or so the reasoning went).

[mod mom]

111. I am PMing you a contact to help you draw attention. Mark Crispin Miller is a professor from NYU

and a tireless Election Integrity Activist. Please contact him with your information and always pass on copies & keep originals. :hi:

[McCamy Taylor]

103. How does this thread contribute to Democratic Unity and victory this November?

[greguganus]

110. Bill wasn't running. Or maybe he was? n/t

[ContinentalOp]

106. There will be no pictures of Bill Clinton being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process

because the revolution will not be televised.

:P

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

108. I'm hearing that Harlem blacks are furious and outrage. Hillary has

summoned Obama to help her mend fences and repair the Clintons' relationship with NY blacks. Her senate seat could be in trouble if she doesn't.

These reports were recounted in the NYTimes a few weeks ago.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

121. got a link for that, cicada?