RNC newest AD....Thanks Hillary.

[DerekJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DECDKOFnw

No comment. Just what we expected.

[succubus.blues]

1. God, that makes me cry.

:cry:

[DerekJ]

4. I wasn't even shocked, totally expected. Maybe her supporters will understand now what we were

saying.

[succubus.blues]

31. Oh, I'm not shocked, I expected it too....

it's just when you see it happen, it still hurts.

[PoliticalAmazon]

172. Hillary's legacy: Neocon Collaborator. This should finsh her in NY. n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

49. GODDAMN YOU KILLARY KLINTOOOOOON!!!

One day the RNC might make an ineffective YouTube video about brief comments from 3 months ago.

I hope you FUCKIN join JOE LIEBERMAN in the LOOOOOSER HALL OF FAME.




/Lithium

[Mezzo]

74. oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES

None dare call that concern trolling.

[PBS Poll-435]

77. Excuse Me?

That is called INTERNATIONAL "Concern Trolling."

And it is kinda funny.

[Mezzo]

86. I need to put you on ignore...

I just spit cosmo on my computer screen! :rofl:

I hope you know I was kidding too.

[PBS Poll-435]

89. Cutting up magazines and adding gin & vodka?

Oh wait a minute...

Did the cranberry juice make you "bitter?"




:pals:

[Mezzo]

100. with my rubber gloves on, in a darkened room by candlelight

and it made me acidic, thankyouverymuch.

:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

133. My kind of Lady!

And I will bring the Zantac.

[Mezzo]

136. and the secret meme

[PBS Poll-435]

137. Is that French? Or "pretentious" California?

:rofl:

[TheWraith]

108. Many won't. To the hard-core crowd, this is entirely appropriate and justified.

Some of the His44 crowd are probably already here spinning it for the Republicans.

[TahitiNut]

175. Totally, completely expected as soon as she went dirty.

As an INDEPENDENT liberal, it is NEVER a surprise to me when the excessive ambitions of folks like Hillary and Bill lead them to give the GOP ammunition even as they shoot themselves in the foot with such despicable politics. She packaged it into a sound bite! She couldn't have wrapped it prettier, and with a prettier bow, if she'd been employed by Karl Rove. Every GOP tape recorder in the country caught it. You'd have to be a complete and total moron to not see it as a GOP attack ad immediately. Her ass-kissing sycophants have shit-for-brains in denying the scorched-earth strategy inherent in that.

[Selatius]

2. The Repubs are the reason why the Dems wanted the contest to end on June 3rd instead of until August

It would simply provide Repubs even more ammunition because they always felt Obama was the more difficult challenger, and Limbaugh tried his damn hardest to muck up things for Obama.

[redqueen]

3. I don't even want to fucking watch it.

I am SO motherfuckin pissed right now...

:nuke:

[CitizenLeft]

146. your instincts are right on target.

Fucking upsetting. Wish I hadn't watched it.

[Cha]

149. I'm not watching either..looking to

see if there's a cliff note.

[texasleo]

5. shit

eom

[pbca]

6. Hillary is campaigning for McCain in more ways than one n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

7. And Hillary wants to be VP?

What a sick joke.

[jgraz]

27. No, she doesn't. Not in the least.

The VP scam: phase II of Hillary's 2012 strategy

[Cali_Democrat]

43. Interesting analysis

[DerekJ]

68. I believe the same thing that’s why I predicted she won't drop out.

[OzarkDem]

Apparently the GOP doesn't want her to be

they seem to be sabotaging any efforts for the Dems to unify.

Wonder why the GOP opposes her as VP?

[Cali_Democrat]

55. What's your evidence that the GOP opposes her VP nomination

Did Rush say he doesn't want her as VP?

[PBS Poll-435]

61. One day after the corporate media declared Obama the nominee

They start running ads against Obama with Hillary as the attacker...


Do you need an interpreter?

[Cali_Democrat]

67. I think this line of attack would be even more effective if she was the VP

They can say...."see, even your own VP thinks you're not qualified."

Also, with all the baggage she brings, I'm sure the GOP would be salivating.

The bottom line is that Hillary said nasty things about Obama in the video and she ruined her own chances at VP, not the GOP. Nobody forced Hillary to attack Obama like that, she did it all on her own. That's why so many people opposed her on DU. Maybe you can finally see the light.

[PatGund]

164. Simple

They wanted her as president, not Vice-President

[pbca]

8. K & R by the way

[Thrill]

9. Thats why if I'm Obama. They couldn't make me put her on the ticket

[Mezzo]

10. Harry and Louise: Right wing hit piece: Thanks Obama.

There is no need to blame Hillary for the right.

[DerekJ]

17. Don't be ridiculous. Her McCain endorsement was right on the AD. Do you know now why it was a

political stupidity( And I'm being gracious, very gracious with my language here).

[TheWraith]

19. Bullshit. You people keep trotting out that nonsense without a single shred of evidence.

It's ipse dixit at it's most atrocious: "we say that this is the case, therefore it's so." Nobody's ever produced evidence that Obama used any right-wing material, as opposed to Clinton whose talking points were pulled straight from Limbaugh, the Freepers, and the lunatic right, all the way down to the "secret muslim" smear.

[Mezzo]

66. "Without a shred of evidence" my royal Black Irish ass, you liar

Obama sent out a right wing mailer called HARRY AND LOUISE in Ohio. NO ONE ELSE but his camp. There's a TON of evidence since he fucking well did it.

[anonymous171]

81. Link please? You are obsessed with this mailer yet you never post any links to evidence.

[Mezzo]

88. no link. I held it in my hands though.

and the Sunday funnies talk about it at the time.

[SeattleGirl]

92. Not good enough.

[Mezzo]

101. Oh, I'm heartbroken. The truth is always the truth whether you think it's good enough or not.

[SeattleGirl]

120. And I'm asking you to show me proof of what you are saying.

If it's the truth, then fine.

But your word isn't good enough.

I think you have nothing, frankly.

[SeattleGirl]

82. So post the evidence.

You ought to know by now that a lot of folks here, in both camps, won't take something like this accusation without some proof.

[Mezzo]

91. do your own homework since all it takes is a simple call to his camp. thanks.

[SeattleGirl]

93. Nope. YOU are the one who made the claim, so it is up to YOU to

prove it.

I hope you're not an attorney or anything. Your clients would all be in jail with this kind of horseshit.

[Mezzo]

104. Prove that he made an anti-war speech. Show me a link to ONE NEWSPAPER

even an AA newspaper that reported on this supposed anti-war speech. He's so good at speechifyin', where's the video? You'll never be able to provide one, does that mean I get to say he never did it? :shrug:.

[SeattleGirl]

123. Well, here you go, even though you are the one that brought up the

anti-war speech, not me:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8&feature=related

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/warspeech.pdf

Now, where is YOUR proof?

[Hugabear]

160. Hmmm - why did this sub-thread mysteriously end after you posted your evidence?

Why was your response followed by crickets?

[SeattleGirl]

169. Hmmmmm....could it be

SATAN??????

Actually, my challenger apparently did not have any evidence to back up the claims he/she was making.

Funny how they just disappear when that happens. :rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

98. The last time I checked, the burden of proof was on the accuser.

[Mezzo]

102. Last time I checked, his campaign office confirmed it. I don't tape phone calls so

you'll have to let your own fingers do the walking.

[Liberal Veteran]

106. You must be telling us the truth then.....as far as I know.

[Mezzo]

111. Just give them a call. Lord knows I did in March.

I was blown away that he was running like a repig. He said he was so different. But since he shares a ninety five per cent voting record with HRC, I am not exactly convinced he'll govern that way.

He also refuses to get his picture taken with Gavin Newsome, for whatever reason. Once that gets added to McClurkin, I'd supported HRC before Ohio, I want to disclose for the sake of the truth. But Harry and Louise was absolutely atrocious. But others might not be offended that easily.

[TheWraith]

99. Post proof of your argument or apologize.

In case you are really detached enough to be ignorant of the facts, there is not and never has been "right wing mailer" from Obama of the kind you describe.

The Obama campaign sent out a mailer pointing out, rightly, that the Clinton healthcare plan was to force everyone to buy health insurance whether they could afford it or not. Some people, meaning Clinton loyalists, thought that these mailers resembled an attack ad called "Harry and Louise" used against the Clinton healthcare initiative in 1994. That's where the story comes from. And yet, despite all the screaming and whining about "right wing attacks" nobody making that argument has ever been able to provide any evidence that there was even the smallest "below the belt" quality to the damned point.

[Mezzo]

113. Oh, so because you LIKED the repig ad, *I* need to apologize? LOL

You see, THAT they conjured an ad eerily similar to a right wing hit job ***IS WHAT'S BELOW THE BELT***. HRC could have sat on her ass eating bon bons in the nineties, but instead she rolled up her sleeves to get a better deal for the american people. Obama uses their ad, and you say it's fine? whatevs.

[TheWraith]

114. And once again, you prove you have no grounding in reality.

And your only way of winning an argument is to put words in somebody else's mouth.

Once again, in case you missed it in the first place: There is no evidence, none, other than the biased perceptions of Clinton supporters, that there's any connection between the mailer Obama sent and the Republican ad back in the '90s. Zilch. Zero. It's a connection that exists entirely in Clinton partisan land, to try and justify smearing Obama with every disgusting rumor they could invent. All based on the fact that the two things MUST be linked because, because they both feature a married couple sitting at a table, and they're both about healthcare! Oooh, booga booga!

[SeattleGirl]

20. Oh good grief.

Why is it that for you, everything is Obama's fault, and Clinton is squeaky clean? :eyes:

[Mezzo]

76. Good Grief to be sure...

Since I never said any such thing. Why is it you're making assumptions about me?

[SeattleGirl]

87. In nealy every post, you have.

Through all kinds of ways, like inference, innuendo, and sometimes outright lying.

God, I can't wait until next Wednesday.

[Mezzo]

110. That is not the truth.

and you know it.

[SeattleGirl]

125. I know no such thing.

[Mezzo]

126. I've never told a lie about Barack Obama...ever. So saying I did is not the truth

[StevieM]

163. Because Hillary Clinton is a wonderful person and Barack Obama is not a nice man (eom)

[LowerManhattanite]

24. Ahhhh...tick, tick, tick, tick... n/t

[Mezzo]

78. tock, tock, tock, tock.

"we only got four minutes to save the wo-orld"

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[hfojvt]

56. better that it took her down now than in November

At least Harry and Louise did not endorse McCain or his health care plan. It was about her plan, not about her.

[Mezzo]

73. If you don't think OBama can whether that ad, the time to do something about it was your primary.

[dawgman]

80. weather the ad

just saying.

[Mezzo]

107. ok...weather the ad.

I'll let my mistake stand so your correction makes sense. After all, it was my mistake, I should live with it. :hug:

[hfojvt]

90. except that my primary was a month before her traitorous statement

In fact, 32 states had already voted and Obama was the clear front-runner. Then somebody who gave herself "experience credit" for the work she did at Rose Law Firm and as First Lady, decided that Obama, who has taught Constitutional Law at the University level and done community organizing, was nothing more than a single speech.

[Mezzo]

128. mine was before his traitorous right wing flier, so I can completely empathize

[hfojvt]

131. except that his flier was not attacking the almost certain nominee

Hence in his case, traitorous is a ridiculous word, and the flier got less national publicity than somebody's hissy fit about it.

[Mezzo]

135. insisting that she not run b/c he won bussed in redstate caucuses is pretty lame, and you know it

[dionysus]

157. wow, you're trotting out the golden oldies of hillbot smears here...

hahahaha

now see if you can work rezko AND jesse jackson into the same sentence, i will give you bonus points if you can do so...

:eyes:

[silverojo]

140. No, I blame Hillary for her big fucking mouth!

If she hadn't said all this B.S., the right-wing wouldn't have had this video to use in their ad.

[rodeodance]

153. yup. Obama stole it from the RW and hit Hillary with it and hit they use it back on him

[TexasObserver]

11. and that's one of the many reasons she will NOT be on the ticket

You don't have to go home, Hilly, but you have to get outta here.

[TheWraith]

12. Fuck you, Bill and Hillary. You helped this bullshit.

For anyone who doesn't want to watch it, it's basically a smattering of the Clintons' talking points about how unqualified and naive Obama is, with the message of "Not even Democrats think he's good enough."

The centerpiece is, of course, Hillary's endorsement of John McCain and dismissal of Obama's candidacy as "a speech he gave in 2002."

[OzarkDem]

47. The GOP commercial is working

you're responding just as they want you to.

[TheWraith]

59. And what twisted-ass psycho logic is that? nt

[OzarkDem]

70. Keeping Dems divided

aka "divide and conquer". They've been doing it for years.

[SeattleGirl]

97. And you are helping them along.

But you refuse to see that.

[TheWraith]

103. Keep trying to defend the indefensible.

There is NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE for the things that the Clintons said about Obama during the primary, and at the time EVERYBODY except the Clinton supporters recognized that they were cutting ads for the GOP. Now that we've been proven right, and you've been proven wrong, it's OUR fault for being "divided"?

[Swamp Rat]

60. "you're responding just as they want you to." - Nope.

The purpose for the ad was not to make DUers/Democrats angry at Clinton.

You give them too much power and credit, which is what the GOP wants.

[The Doctor.]

63. Funny how it's Clinton's words, not theirs that are doing it, huh?

Or are you delusional and oblivious?

[ampad]

94. Thanks for the rundown

I wasn't about to watch it. Fucking Hillary knew this would go down. God I cannot fucking stand that woman. I hope someone challengers her ass for her Senate seat cause she does not deserve it.

[vi5]

13. To top it off, today at work......

There's a dude who's the typical "claims to be an independent but loves every republican and hates every democrat". He sits with a coworker every morning and I haven't heard them talk much politics. But today they started and every word out of this guys mouth about Obama was a Clinton talking point "Blah blah blah...voted present......blah blah blah reverend Wright....blah blah blah....cocaine." All the stuff we heard coming from Clinton surrogates non stop." Yes, I realize that some of this stuff could and would have come out anyway, but it's lent more credence because it came from a democrat.

[XOKCowboy]

14. Is that for real? I'm sure it is but I don't want to believe it...

Divide and conquer. They're good at it. I'm just sick that the Clinton's have given them so much ammunition.

[Danger Mouse]

15. They could do the same against any candidate. It's a lame and shoddy hit piece, par for the course

for rescumlicans

[Mike L]

16. Obama supporters screwed up by backing an inexperienced candidate. Don't blame HRC or

all those other Democrats on that tape.

[SeattleGirl]

23. We didn't screw up at all.

If anyone did, it was Clinton.

[Mike L]

35. You picked the wrong candidate. Live with the consequences. em

[SeattleGirl]

No, I didn't. But continue on with your delusion.

Not hurting me at all.

[clevbot]

42. no we picked the right candidate... sorry people believed hillary's lies

How did she pass the CIC threshold? how could she ever say mccain has?

[Yotun]

154. And still with the sense of entitlement!!! You guys can go to hell! Either your queen gets elected,

or its ok to help the GOP in winning over the Democrat candidate.

[TheWraith]

26. Yeah, Obama supporters forced Clinton to endorse McCain, and pull out right-wing talking points.

Just like he forced them to dismiss the black vote as not counting, or to talk about "hard working white Americans," or to say he wasn't a Muslim "to my knowledge."

No, Hillary and company are just blameless and innocent.

[thoughtcrime1984]

34. Ridiculous.

[Middle finga]

40. Hillary went over the line especially with her endorsement of

Mc Lame

[silverojo]

141. HRC's only "experienced" at voting for illegal wars

That kind of experience isn't needed.

[TornadoTN]

155. So did Hillary screw up her vote FOR Bush's pet war?

We never do get an answer on this one and when we do its filled with the same pandering bullshit that she's so good at dishing out.

Sorry your Queen didn't win.

[dionysus]

158. good thing you won't be here much longer, with talk like that...

[newmajority]

18. God damn it!!

Fuck you Hillary. And fuck any Hillbots who defended those statements when she made them, or now. :grr:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. As expected, and why HER career is over

[StevieM]

162. Dream on. She isdoing just fine in NY. The latest polls contradict your hatred (eom)

[StevieM]

22. It was all the Democrats talking--Hillary, Edwards, Biden. And that is what you do in a

primary, you criticize your opponents weaknesses. This arrogant attitude by Obama supporters is why he is having trouble winning Clinton supporters. The self-righteousness is remarkable.

If Clinton had won we would have had the same ads showing what Obama had said about her.

Steve

[SeattleGirl]

25. Take a look in the mirror.

And quit projecting your stuff on other people.

[StevieM]

36. I like how I look in the mirror. And I am not projecting, I am disliking. Unfortunately for you

Obama needs my vote--he already has yours. So expect to hear him reach out in ways that make you sick to your stomach.

Steve

[SeattleGirl]

46. Obama's reaching out doesn't make me sick to my stomach.

In fact, I was quite proud of him last night in the way he acknowledged Clinton.

But you probably wouldn't recognize a class act if it were staring you in the face.

[CakeGrrl]

53. I can only imagine your version of "reaching out", but I doubt you'll get the ego-stroke

you seem to need.

Obama's been over and above being gracious to an opponent who has trashed him and disrespected him repeatedly, and will continue to do so until she can try to derail him on the way to the WH.

She deserves to lose a lot, of not all, of her political capital for trying to sabotage the Dems' clear path to the WH if she couldn't lead it.

Obama or McCain. That's the choice. And if you can't tell the ideological difference, that's your problem. You can be replaced with plenty of new voters who get it.

[StevieM]

57. I wouldn't count on that (eom)

[dionysus]

159. enjoy the remainder of your stay at DU...

:rofl:

[tridim]

69. So Obama will get your support by saying stuff that makes his supporters sick?

What the hell are you expecting him to say?

[charlie]

83. Stuff your posturing

You're in McCain's pocket. Quit being a coward and own up to your asshattery, fer chrissakes.

[DerekJ]

29. It's the McCain has a life time of experience part in the AD. Get a clue.

[texasleo]

30. They never said McCain was better than Obama. She did.

[newmajority]

39. They took Edwards quote entirely out of context, and probably Biden's as well

But the Clintons actually made their comments deliberately to slam Obama, and praise the REPUBLICAN candidate.

[silverojo]

142. But you DON'T endorse the other party's candidate!

And that's just what she did with McCain!

[BlooInBloo]

28. my GOD republicans are stupid. They've guaranteed Clinton won't be vp....

but they should WANT her as vp.

They just shot themselves in their own face. They gave Team Obama EXACTLY what they wanted - independent reason to tell Clinton "no".

[DangerousRhythm]

50. I agree with this.

I'm still NOT pleased at all about this ad. I wonder if a counter-ad can be done for McCain.

[BlooInBloo]

65. Heh. Just showing his face would be sufficient, methinks.

[DangerousRhythm]

161. Good point!

It'd be enough for me, anyway. D:

[Genevieve]

85. Just what I was thinking. nt

[TheWraith]

105. They just couldn't keep it in their pants.

If Clinton had tantrumed her way onto the ticket, this sort of ad would be devastating.

Of course, I doubt that it makes much difference--the Obama people aren't dumb enough to choose Clinton as their VP, for this sort of reason.

[Buck Rabbit]

112. Agreed, they just freed Obama from Bill's baggage.

The tons of known baggage plus the good stuff they were holding back for a Hillary nomination.

[Sensitivity]

32. There is a REASON WHY PRIMARY FIGHTS ARE NOT CONDUCTED LIKE GENERAL ELECTIONS -- That video says it

Democrats do not destroy the ligitimacy their democratic opponents -- because one of
them will always have to represent the party and if they NOM has been declared illigitimate
by his own party leaders, HE WILL LIKELY LOSE!

[PBS Poll-435]

33. I am also offended by the twisting of John Edwards words.

He is on notice.

[Irishonly]

37. We knew it was coming

[Andy823]

38. How can Obama

Pick her as his VP when these TV ads will be playing on a daily basis? It makes no sense!

[OzarkDem]

41. Thanks, Edwards, too?

Its time for Obama to take responsibility for his own campaign instead of blaming Clinton for everything.

Surely you know they're going to throw much worse stuff than this at him, don't you?

[DerekJ]

45. Edwards didn't mention McCain, plus his words was twisted.

[SeattleGirl]

51. He is NOT responsible for what Clinton said in her praise of McSame.

Nor is he responsible for the ugly ad they made of those words.

Yes, he will have to deal with the shit coming his way, but given the shit he's already had to deal with, I'm sure he can handle it.

[XtraProudDem]

52. Nope

Obama doesn't blame Clinton for ANYTHING, although he would be justified.

[Arrowhead2k1]

48. Goddamn it. Hillary is such a fuck up.

She doesn't think about the future.

[BlueJac]

54. Shame on you Hillary Clinton!

You even have a "RED" jacket on. Thank you very much. Now concede and go home.

[DearAbby]

58. Oh gee....color me shocked

:sarcasm:

[Bensthename]

62. LET IT SINK... The gen election has begun.. She is out of here.

[DerekJ]

64. That's GE stuff Ben :)

[Exilednight]

72. I fucking knew it. I said this ad would be made, and people fucking laughed .......

at me. Here it is, and fucking Hillary delivered it to them on a silver platter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6233828&mesg_id=6234078

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[Blarch]

75. Randi was right.

[BellaLuna]

79. Are you people really this fucking naive to politics?

This is NOT the first time there have been ugly battles in primaries - it won't be the last either.

Nominations have gone all the way to the conventions before and everyone didn't have a hissy fit over it. The process played out like a democracy is supposed to work like.

THE RNC is a bunch of desperate assholes. Obama will do fine holding his ground - he's already proven it.

Can we fucking drop all this crap and focus on McCain and smacking those god damned republicans out of our government? Pissing and whining about this crap over and over and over is ridiculous.

Politics is a dirty game - if you don't realize that by now you haven't been paying attention.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sensitivity]

95. This AD shows why HILLARY CAN NOT BE V.P. The Dem V.P. degrading the Dem Pres Nom 24/7 on TV

is what the Repubican campaign would consist of.

[dems_rightnow]

109. Brutal

She'd have some 'splainin to do.

[susankh4]

96. Thanks to Sen. Biden, and Sen. Edwards as well.

[Exilednight]

118. The money quote came from Hillary praising McCain. That's the real damage. n/t

[silverojo]

145. Neither of them endorsed McCain

That's the big difference.

[cottonseed]

115. I think it's a terribly innefective ad.

People will know what they're getting with Obama by the time November comes along. I think when this thing is said and done, these types of ads will do nothing to change peoples minds. Experience is an argument that won't overpower the 3rd Bush term message.

[Window]

116. Yeah, pretty sad. Saw it yesterday. But, I knew it was coming.

[Auntie Bush]

117. Do you really think they wouldn't have gotten the same idea all by themselves

without Hillary's input? Let's be realistic and stop jumping at every opportunity to bash Hillary. I'm trying my hardest to be an Obama supporter and these kind of posts don't help me or other Hillary supporters mend our wounds. Please stop! You won already! Relax and watch a good movie. Let me know what's on TV. I'll be here defending Hillary from these attacks as long as necessary...but I need some sleep...lighten up!

[ColonelTom]

122. There's a HUGE difference...

... between having a Republican say it and having one of the most prominent Democrats in the party - and the wife of a former President - say it. This whole "they would have said it anyway" line parroted by some (not all) Hillary supporters throughout the campaign is dead wrong. Watch the ad again and tell me with a straight face this isn't going to sway some undecided voters to support McCain.

Thankfully, the RNC's running this on June 3 rather than later. Interesting strategy. They are either (1) hoping to keep Hillary off the ticket, or (2) hoping to weaken Obama by making him look spineless if he *does* pick Hillary while her belittling of him is on constant repeat in the media. It's a win-win for the Republicans, courtesy of Hillary.

[DerekJ]

124. Fine...Just because I like you Auntie Bush ...:)

:hi:

[Auntie Bush]

130. LOL ...I like you too!

:hug: I'm tryyyyyyyyyyyyyyying! But as I said before...It's hard but I need some help and kicking me and the other Hillary supporters when we're down...helps no one. Here's to you. :cheers:

[helderheid]

119. GODFUCKINGDAMNIT

[Willo]

121. It was pretty well done. Music and all. Which makes it worse. nt

[truthisfreedom]

127. The mistake they've made (thankfully) is to burn out this footage early in the race.

People will no longer be able to hear it at election time after hearing it too many times... it will be like muzak, on in the background but unnoticed.

If they wanted it to be effective, they should have saved it for the end.

[Geek_Girl]

129. Divide and Conquer It's the GOP Way

There is a remedy though Folks:

It's Called Unify

Bashing Hillary won't help us Win the GE.
Bashing Obama won't help us Win the GE.

[nomorewhopper]

132. its hilarious how the RWers are all praising hillary now

so they can build her up, so that they can use her words against obama

[Tatiana]

134. OK... CALM DOWN! There IS a solution to this, of course.

Hillary can carry water for the party by cutting an ad rebutting all those statements she made.

Who better to neutralize the argument than the one who originally made it?

In fact, they could even do a "unity" spot that features Hillary, Edwards, and Biden.

Rethugs are amateurs. They are no match for this year's Team Democrat.

[Catherina]

138. Like the right wing believes anything Hillary says

From this point on the elections are nothing but comedy. She was stupid to have said that and now it's coming back to haunt her.

Seriously Derek I hope she has solid spiritual and mental support because she's going to need it. When the mighty fall low the landing isn't very soft.

[DesEtoiles]

139. Badly done, Hillary.

[dave29]

143. John McCain: A Zombie we can believe in

Don't worry folks, this is weak. Obama has taken these punches and much worse already.

[Overseas]

165. Love the label -- he looked like a zombie in the green screen speech

Especially the profile shots -- looked like the teeth floated in the pasty skull.

[cbc5g]

147. Obama won't be swiftboated like Kerry - don't worry about the pukes, they have nothing positive

[QC]

148. It would never have occurred to the GOP to question Obama's qualifications

if she hadn't given them the idea!

Damn her!!!!!111!

[Recursion]

152. Yeah, and we can use the time Huckabee said...

...that McCain is a doddering old fool, or when Romney said that he and Obama represent a new kind of leadership while McCain is just more of the same.

Oh, that's right. They didn't do that. And all the other Democrats in this ad are saying "I have more experience than Obama does", which is a perfectly fine argument to make in a primary. No, this is honestly the first time I know of that a Democrat favorably compared a Republican to a Democratic rival.

[TornadoTN]

156. Exactly right, but you wont see Hillary supporters addressing that part of it

They never do - because they have no answer.

It is what it is, nothing short of an implicit endorsement of John McCain over Obama.

[workinclasszero]

150. Hell I knew the rethugs would use Hillary's own words against Obama

And guess what? So did she!

Piss on her delusional ass!

If Obama should lose the GE I'm layin all the blame at the foot of Hillary and Bill Clinton.

Their names will become a curse among all democrats forever!

[krkaufman]

151. Well, to be fair, they didn't solely use Hillary clips

Biden, Edwards and Bubba were tossed in, too.

But, should someone do it, that was pretty tame compared to what could be thrown together in regards to Republicans and Right Wingers dissing McCain, from "he scares me" to Limbaugh rants against him.

[berni_mccoy]

167. They could have easily have clipped Edwards and Bidens comments and it would have been just as

effective.

[krkaufman]

178. Effective, yes, but not *as* effective.

Using *just* Hillary's quotes isn't as effective as being able to sprinkle in several other Democrats, to make the opinion seem broader. Especially given Hillary's negative in the independent and Republican audiences. (Biden was probably the best insertion targeting those voters, while Bubba and Edwards were included to go after Hillary and Edwards voters.)

[BenDavid]

166. Well hell, when is the truth wrong? Never. Hell obama's foreign policy

seems to be somewhere between Rodney King's, "Can't we all just get along?" and Alfred E. Neuman's "What, me worry?"

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

170. I'll give you some truth.

You're posts seem to be somewhere between "Hey look at me I'm an asshole." and "Hey look at me I'm a right wing asshole.".

[mod mom]

179. looking forward to the next tombstone

Can't wait until these racist comments are no longer welcome. Only you would compare an aspect of Sen Obama to Rodney King.

[Zachstar]

168. Boring ad, low framerate video in their ad...

No views of McCain. Old news... etc...

If this is the best the RNC comes up with it is going to be an EASY election!

[depakid]

171. The fact of the matter is that Obama IS inexperienced- and these attacks were inevitable

That Hillary was only stating the OBVIOUS -same as ANY politician would have, shouldn't surprise anyone nor be a source for the sort of thin skinned and pathetic vitriol we see both on this thread- and on multiple posts every day around here.

Get a clue, folks.

This is standard operating procedure in politics- alsways has been and always will be, irrespective of the fact many of the naive and inexperienced among us want or expect other candidates to simply roll over and bow down to their choices.

[chitty]

173. Are we supposed to look over the fact

that Hillary almost pleasures McCain orally while puking on Obama at the same time.

[depakid]

174. She's hardly doing that

Simply pointing out the obvious (at least, that's how I saw it at the time).

McCain DOES have years of experience (though his record shows that his experience is replete with corruption, ineptitude and dishonesty- how bout that "experience" at the Iraqi market? LOL).

The bottom line is that Hillary didn't say anything that many others hadn't already considered- and nothing that wasn't going to be used in the general campaign anyway.

Indeed, one can argue that the fact that Hillary is saying it makes it much less effective than it would be coming from someone more appealing to their likely voters than she is!

[uponit7771]

176. So the republicans saying it has the SAME wieght as a democrat? Are you crazy?

[depakid]

177. It's obvious!

and every thinking person understands that it's going to be an issue.

Seems to me it's kind of ridiculous not to acknowledge and deal with it. Like I mentioned above, there are worse things in McCain's case than lack of experience.

[meow mix]

180. hillary is a traitor

nothing she does can make up for it