The VP scam: phase II of Hillary's 2012 strategy.

[jgraz]

To all the gracious Obama supporters saying that they would welcome Hillary as the #2 on the ticket: don't be fooled.

Hillary has no intention of accepting the VP spot. She's smart enough to know that you don't audition for VP by saying the nominee is less qualified than his republican opponent, making sarcastic jibes against his supporters and then implying that he might be assassinated. If she had any plans to try for Obama's running mate, none of those words would have ever left her mouth.

As usual, her strategy is much more insidious than that. After guaranteeing that Obama could never offer her the VP spot without looking like a mewling wussbag, she is bringing up the VP as the next stage in her push for a 2012 presidential run.

In order to do this, Hillary must do everything she can to keep her so-called "super supporters" riled up and bitter. She cannot allow them to back Obama, because that would look too much like our new nominee was actually succeeding in bringing the party together. What better way to do this than to start making noises about her desire for the Veep slot?

She knows Obama will never give this to her, and that even if he wanted to the party elders would not allow it. So she's cleverly set herself up for another faux-sexist faux-victimization by this "inadequate black male". It's really a beautiful move -- she gets to make conciliatory noises about joining the ticket, all the while keeping the fire lit under a bubbling cauldron of anti-Obama sentiment.

Then, if she does succeed in her quest get John McCain elected, she gets a DOUBLE "I told you so" moment. In HillaryWorld, we had our chance to nominate her AND we had our chance to select her as Obama's running mate. Both times we failed to make the "right" decision, so we deserve our fate with Grampy McSame.

Yes, I know this doesn't make sense to any rational Democrat. But nothing Hillary does makes sense outside of her bile-filled narcissistic bubble. Ask yourself this: why would any sane human being run such a hateful, bitter, race-baiting and gender-baiting campaign, refuse to concede to the bare-faced reality of defeat and then turn around and *deign* to consider working under the man who just kicked her sorry ass to the curb?

It makes no sense unless your intention is to cause as much chaos and rancor as possible.

Don't be fooled. Hillary is still "in it to win it". If not now, then in four years after another disastrous Republican presidency.

[ihavenobias]

1. Hopefully

she's not that bad.

But it is hard to put anything past her after this campaign. That alone is a sad statement to have to make but it's true.

[jgraz]

3. I desperately want someone to give me a more positive interpretation of her new VP quest

I'd like to relax and feel like she's ready to help her party, but I just can't accept it yet.

[rebel with a cause]

9. She is pushing to get asked

and then turns him down because he is not worthy and she won anyway. Not positive, but what I was thinking.

I use to know this girl who would flirt like crazy with a guy, then turn him down when asked out. She would then go around making fun of the guy to everyone she knew. This is how I am seeing Hillary today. Not positive, only different from the original theory.

[Bigleaf]

2. I came to the same conclusion earlier today. I agree 100%.

[Willo]

4. I believe it

The party seems to be recognizing it as well or at least getting tired of the games.

She's headed for a major embarrassment that she doesn't seem to want to back away from.
Presidency or bust. To hell with anyone in the way including herself.

[Midwest_Doc]

5. Spot-on! n/t

[palindrome]

6. This kind of post is so yesterday.

Pathetic OP

[FlyingSquirrel]

8. Not if it's true. Which I hope it isn't - but I really wouldn't be surprised.

eom

[Joe the Revelator]

7. It doesn't matter, she can try whatever she wants, but she's only hurting herself...plus

Obama is going to mop the floor with McCain. After see his speech last night, I have no doubt about this.

[Bigleaf]

10. Kicking up.

[joshcryer]

11. Stop fucking trolling.

Jesus Christ.

[Bigleaf]

12. Trolling, my ass. Her fucking games are ridiculous!

[jgraz]

19. I'm curious, Josh: what exactly do you think trolling is?

Cuz, given your comment, I'm not really sure you understand the concept.

[2008]

29. Looks more like posting an opinion to me

Not the definition of trolling by any standard

[chill_wind]

13. Believe it!

At least the active campaign part. If the intent isn't to create as much chaos and rancor as possible, that's still going to be the effect until it really IS over and Obama makes his pick.

She's turned to Robert Johnson to try to pressure the Black Caucus. This was as of *TODAY.*

I linked this in a number of threads today already, so I won't anymore after this, but it completely validates what you say in that she does have a VP campaign *ON*
to lobby Obama, even at the same time Obama sounds like he's saying "I don't think so."

She wants to be asked alright

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6272350

People who point out his lack of "political cred" are completely missing the point of his $$ leverage and how much he's given to the Party and Congressional Dems already.
He also gave quite a lot of money to Hillary's Presidential campaign.

As much as it may not go far-- and if she seems to know that-- you rightly have to ask yourself why she is having him do this to Clyburn and to Obama?

All the scorched, burnt earth-- and now all this fresh, unabashed attempting to muscle him-- **what does she want**?

[The Magistrate]

14. Too Many Moving Parts, Sir....

"In war, only what is simple can succeed."

[jgraz]

18. I hope you're right. Then again...

when's the last time Hillary succeeded at anything in this campaign?

[The Magistrate]

23. There You Go, Sir....

The fact is that Sen. Clinton ran a poorly conceived campaign that was particularly short on long-range planning. It took a while for this to sink in to many, myself included, because the reputation of the people surrounding her was formidable. But events, and of course the perfection of hindsight, have laid bare a classic case of generals well prepared and excellently equipped and suited to fight the last war, rather then the war they actually were confronted with. The strategy was to crowd out competitors by soaking up available resources of money and talent and media attention, then achieve a quick knock-out of resource-starved opponents. But the fund-raising terrain was new, owing to the new electronic environment, there were competent local talents available to Sen. Obama, owing to his connection to the Daley camp, and the novelty of his run and his personal charisma gained great media attention. When the strategy began to fail obviously in the early going, Sen. Clinton's campaign had no back-up ready, and too much confidence and self-assurance to react with flexibility and quickly improvise something better suited to the actual state of play: they simply clung to what they were sure would work, and ought to work, and their certainty they could make it work. They have been playing catch up and patch up almost from the start, and do not yet really understand what happened to them....

[chill_wind]

25. Mr Magistrate, I've read and reread this several times,

because the time it's been taking for this to sink in probably has had to apply to many supporters-- and detractors alike, including me. It probably is the most rational post-mortem and goes a long way to explain why reality still hasn't quite caught up, not just for the two of them, but those most heavily invested and still close around them. Understanding it makes it a little easier to want to start climbing back down, little by little, from the anger at them and realizing this race really is... over.

They are history.

[EFerrari]

27. But the thing about the Clintons is, they don't care about how many moving parts

there are. So, I while I agree with His Honor about them not understanding a plan in the complexity that you've articulated, that doesn't mean they don't have a plan or at least, an M.O.

The Clintons, frankly, remind me a lot of someone in my family who is very successful. She doesn't mind how much china gets broken moment by moment because she's smart enough to exploit most situations. And, damn the broken crockery.

The Clintons don't use fine tools. They've never needed to use them. Obama beat them exactly by being able to deploy patience and making things modular and by having layered, flexible, long term plans. They are sprinters, he's a distance guy.

I'm not at all sure that they won't, moment by moment and fifty yards at a time decide to keep competing. They've never done anything else.

[chill_wind]

28. I hear you sfexpat. I don't think they are quite done competing either, but

it's getting easier for me to think they're just probably not going to cross this other last finish line.

I was reading the thread about the vetting problems and angles (Win-Win") and I'm thinking that's the story scenario that's going to finally mute the rest of remaining efforts. I could be wrong-- SO WRONG :-), but I'm finally so tired of myself (my own anger.) It's not Clinton Fatigue. It's become Clinton Exhaustion. What an education.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. She's on permanent campaign mode, BUT

I think the party has just about had it.

HER SUPPORTERS told her to stop this

And they were as shocked by her behavior as the rest of us

I think people finally got it at that wonderful rules and bylaws committee on Saturday

The screaming HIll supporters inside and outside the chambers were like a bucket of cold water

[laugle]

16. It's supporter's

like you who will ensure that Obama loses.

Your post is total trash and not worthy of this forum. You have a twisted, hateful mind and time will prove you wrong!

You won't be able to blame Hillary for everything, get a clue, Obama is the "presumptive" nominee and McCain is the opponent.

But don't worry, there will be plenty of avenues for your hate, the smear campaign has already begun, but you are still to busy blogging about yesterday....................

[billyoc]

17. The world already is reporting that she lost the VP slot because of her husband's brigandage.

[jgraz]

20. Brigandage? With Bill? I'm afraid you're going to have to narrow that down a bit.

[billyoc]

22. I'll narrow that right down for you as soon as he releases his financials to the vetting committee.

[Hart2008]

30. She can still file for divorce and eliminate this problem...n/t

[wvbygod]

21. One could read that as setting Hillary up to blame if Obama fails

That, or the bile container is full.

[AtomicKitten]

24. I look forward to her absence from my tee-vee.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. From everything that I have witnessed so far,

your analysis hits home with far too much credibility. I hope to God that I am wrong in thinking the same thing.