HRC, Please promise not to do a "Lieberman"

[johnlal]

Wouldn't that be a bombshell... New York's Democratic Senator, Former First Lady of the United States of a beloved Democratic President, historic female Presidential Candidate... loses the Democratic nomination, quits the party, and takes her supporters to fight against the Democratic Party.

Before you laugh, that's exactly what fellow DLC'er Joe Lieberman did. DLC founder and CEO Al From and key DLC aides supported and worked on Lieberman's campaign against Democrat Ned Lamont in 2006. Senator Clinton's admonition that her supporters must be respected sounded like a threat to do the very same.

You would never expect her to do it, but we never saw it coming with Lieberman either. Remember, he was once the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate. It was a bombshell then. And now he's supporting a Republican for president, and thinking about giving the keynote address at the Republican Convention.

That's why we need to hear from Clinton that she concedes and that she will do whatever Obama thinks is beneficial to the party-- even if it means keeping quiet and going away.

[IsItJustMe]

1. She has been heading down that road for quit some time now. Her Obama/McCain comments made it quit

clear for me.

[griffi94]

2. then political wisdom would seem to suggest

that obama get a deal made with her. she is going to have to be contended with, and the sooner the better. if she bolts the party obama is toast.

[IsItJustMe]

3. There can be no deal. This is do or die time for Obama, there is no turning back.

[griffi94]

6. well if he can't get a deal made

then his chances are a lot less promising. he's had some trouble connecting in some swing states that he has to win in november.
i don't think he has to make her his vp but she still has to be contended with, and a significant portion of her 17 million supporters will not vote for obama as things stand now.

[IsItJustMe]

14. Every one of her supporters that I know of are voting for Obama. Don't listen to the spin.

[griffi94]

19. everyone you know huh

in 04 everybody i knew voted for kerry.
there is already a group in colombus ohio who are hillary supporters for mccain.
theyve been political activists for the democratic party but have broken ranks. they are targeting close swing states. ohio and pennsylvania. gore lost florida by less than 1000 votes.

[IsItJustMe]

29. All I can tell you is my experience. But I do believe that every election has people fall off the

wagon when their candidate doesn't make the grade. Just the way it is. Obama will just have to work harder getting Repugs and Indies. Yes he can.

[NanceGreggs]

20. A "signficant portion" of her supporters?

:rofl:

[griffi94]

22. how much did gore lose florida by

:rofl: and so we've had bush for 8 years. yeah that's funny as hell.
maybe you should go back to chanting.

[NanceGreggs]

26. McCain/Obama won't be anywhere near as close ...

... a race as Gore/Bush. Obama has already attracted new Democrats into the party, and many Independents and disgruntled Republicans will be voting Obama.

I realize the Hill campers have a huge problem with math, but the handful of idiots threatening to not vote for Obama do not, by any stretch, constitute a "significant portion" of 17 million voters.

[johnlal]

4. But if she's likely to bolt the party

She can do as much damage working on the inside.

[northernsoul]

12. You assume she actually has sufficient leverage

I think Future President Obama should bide his time. My guess that that the numbers of people who would vote for HRC as a 3rd party candidate are an extremely slim constituency. She may be pointing a gun at our nominee's head, but it doesn't actually hold any bullets - just a little flag that says "Bang!"

[griffi94]

17. as i've already posted

her defectors don't have to have huge numbers. just a significan minority in the right places.
virginia,ohio,pennsylvania,missouri. those states are going to be close regardless of how it plays out. a few thousand disgruntled hillary supporters could in fact throw it to mccain.

[northernsoul]

23. I just don't don't think he should be extorted into giving away the VP slot

in order to appease a few thousand, shall we say "somewhat erratic," voters. Obama should chose the VP he actually wants when he actually wants to. If he succumbs to HRC's ham-fisted extortion attempts, he will look weak.

[Jersey Devil]

5. Saw a poll with Hill as a 3rd party a few weeks ago

According to the poll Obama would still win, and that was before Bob Barr was in the picture.

Also, there are some states (Ohio for one) that have "sore loser" laws that prevent candidates who lose in party primaries from later filing to be on the ballot as independents. Additionally, the deadline for filing has already expired in some states.

[johnlal]

7. Cool. That's a relief. (nt)

[Jersey Devil]

11. Political parties don't like 3rd party candidates

so naturally, since the parties control things, they make it very difficult for people to run as independents. I am not saying I approve of that, just stating facts. In NY, for example, there are several places they would have to file petitions to get onto the ballot in the entire state.

[griffi94]

13. i haven't seen a poll showing that

i did see a poll where 20-25 percent of her voters won't vote for him. i'm not buying the bob barr distraction yet.
maybe if it picks up enough steam. one thing that seems to get overlooked is the motivation for the gop base and their clinton hate.
the clintons were just the last people to beat them. the base is going to break for mccain, and by the time november gets here, they'll hate obama as much as they hate hillary now. the haters always turn out to vote, and the gop haters will vote for mccain as the best chance to beat obama.

[Jersey Devil]

18. wish i could remember where i saw the poll

but I can't. It would seem to me, however, that the obstacles of filing deadlines (NJ's deadline was yesterday) and "sore loser" laws would not allow her to be on the ballot in several states at the minimum. I just don't think it is practical so I am not all that worried about it.

[Yukari Yakumo]

30. How many of those 20-25% you think are OpChaos Trolls? {nt}

uguu

[scheming daemons]

8. isn't it too late for her to get on the ballot in most states as an independent?

[Jersey Devil]

16. Deadline in NJ was yesterday, June 3 (nt)

[Kokonoe]

24. She can still get on most states

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:c3cqB4D4hf4J:www.fec.gov/pubrec/2008pdates.pdf+2008+presidential+election+deadlines

but I don't know which states have sore loser Hillary laws.

[Lilith Velkor]

9. Oh bullshit - you want her to so you can keep hating her.

If she kept quiet, you'd blame her for everything that went wrong with the GE campaign, and if BO managed to win, you'd blame her for any of his shortcomings as President.

[mtnsnake]

27. Aint that the cold hard truth

The people in this frigging cesspool are more concerned with hating Hillary and blaming her for everything under the sun than they are about winning the election. I guess it gets them high.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. For. the last. time.

Please stop insinuating this is even a remote possibility. And that Senator Clinton would even consider it even if it was.

It is not going to happen. Period.

Cue the picture:

[DJ13]

15. Actually I hope she does

Nothing would marginalize her faster than trying to be an independent.

She would lose all her influence in the Senate, lose her committee positions after the election, and she would likely lose the support of a large portion of the liberals from her own state.

It would be the ultimate political suicide, which would be a fitting end to her ego driven political career.

[geiger]

21. pls see the post below; I think one of us is right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6274892

[mtnsnake]

25. Yet another attack on Hillary, speculating about something terrible she might do. Good fucking grief

[scheming daemons]

28. Every other time we speculated, she ended up doing the 'terrible thing'

- "Nuclear option" on Fla and Mich

- Praising McCain

- Not conceding once he reached the requisite number of delegates



Based on the track record, she always seems to DO the terrible thing.... why would we expect this time to be any different?

[billyoc]

31. But Lieberman(the OTHER fucking whore) was endorsed by the Republicans in CT.

Clinton knows it would be suicide.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. Would not put it past Hillary to take her ball and go home. She's not a team player, that's fo sure

[johnlal]

33. Announcement

With the announcement coming out tomorrow, it looks like she's onboard with Obama. Having slept and rested since writing the OP, it's hard to believe I jumped to that speculation.