Thom Hartmann changes his mind

[eleny]

Talking about Clinton on his program this morning.

He's disappointed with Hillary's not conceding last night. He said that up until last night he supported her for VP. Now, not so much. Says she is pushing Obama to such an extent that perhaps Obama shouldn't ask her to be on the ticket with him.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. Finally

Hillary is really over the top with the pressure. Grrrr.

[eleny]

13. Thomm said he was on Fox this morning

The host said that Hillary is "blackmailing" Obama. Thom just said that he hesitated but then agreed with the host.

Hi b_b! :hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

21. Hi you! And yes, I see it that was as well

I don't take kindly to anyone holding the party hostage, esp. this late in the game.

:hi:

[krkaufman]

58. Hillary's pushing for the VP slot so forcefully is really putting Obama into a corner ...

... where he will have no choice but to NOT offer her the slot. He can't be seen as buckling to pressure.

[AspenRose]

2. Finally, Thom

Common sense! Thank you!

[Jackpine Radical]

10. Common sense, huh? That Thom

is a real Payne.

[eleny]

16. !

:spray:

[AspenRose]

You're on your game!

Good show! :thumbsup:

[Jackpine Radical]

54. DR--Haven't seen ya around in ages!

:hug:

[ampad]

51. LOL

Good one!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

60. -1

[Lucky 13]

3. Say Wha!??!?!?!

Awesome. This is what we're going to start to see... even her most ARDENT supporters abandoning her hostage situation.

As Hilary Rosen said, "I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat."

[helderheid]

4. FINALLY, Thom.

[eleny]

24. kitty needs a a hat!

[americanstranger]

26. I LOVE that kitteh.

As one who fulfills the role of a Calico's human, I've come to appreciate their bizarre beauty.

My two Toms, who are both black, may not share my opinion on that.

- as

[jgraz]

5. Good thing, too. His previous mind was starting to wear out.

His support of Hillary up to this point has been simply inexplicable. I hope he gets back to his usual self real soon.

[PassingFair]

6. I almost always agree with Thom...

but I strongly disagreed with him on this one....
she has no place on the ticket!

It's like he doesn't know anything about her.

[helderheid]

8. Same.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. "It's like he doesn't know anything about her."--or he is clueless about...

the very foundations of Obama's campaign.

Having Hillary as VP would be like a vegan asking a beef wholesaler to help the vegan run a vegan food company. The two are so completely different, with different goals and beliefs, that the vegan and his/her company would suffer tremendously.

And then there is the assassination thing...as another poster posted yesterday, "Obama asking Hillary to be his VP would be like him adopting the Menendez brothers."

[tishaLA]

7. I'm glad to hear that

I couldn't bring myself to listen to him this morning. I was not in the mood to hear his boosterism again today.

[eleny]

30. Same here but I wanted to hear him out

[berni_mccoy]

9. She has really ruined her credibility and character with this.

[ellacott]

11. That says a lot

Thomm is always a very respectful and thoughtful person.

[redqueen]

12. Weird.

It took this?

Not the made-to-order GOP-ready anti-Obama quotes she served up?

Whatever. Better late than never, I guess.

[eleny]

31. He just said he feels like an idiot over this

[TornadoTN]

39. "should have saw it coming"

This is amazing.

I really respect him, although I disagreed with his initial acceptance of Hillary.

[redqueen]

45. Yeah... I dunno.

I guess it's amazing. Not really though... he seems less daft than the M$M types.

It'd be amazing if they finally opened their damn eyes.

Him I expect more from.

[City Lights]

14. Glad he's seen the light.

:-)

[TornadoTN]

15. He makes sense - if this can turn Thom against it, think about the others too!

He's not the only one that's having these thoughts today.

[DevonRex]

17. Thank God he has come to his senses. Who needs a VP who

thinks she can bully her way to that spot?

[NJmaverick]

18. Hillary made a choice, now Hillary has to suffer the consequences of her choice

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. You beat me to it. Sorry I didn't see yours before I posted....nt

[eleny]

36. Oh, don't worry about that!

It happens to all of us. :pals:

[IndyOp]

20. He's been correcting callers re: Hillary for weeks now - correcting them to

make her seem more like he wishes she were. I don't begrudge him wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt -- that is a trait he shares in common with Barack Obama, but I think, perhaps, both he and Obama realized something new last night about Hillary, something that many of us had known for a while now.

Barack and Michelle as they watch Hillary's non-concession speech:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6265554

[TornadoTN]

27. Some of his callers today are hilarious

Thom is doing an admirable job correcting them, but he must be ready to bang his head against the wall.

[rocktivity]

22. I knew he'd come around...

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[rusty quoin]

23. He described watching the speeches with his friend.

He said as they watched the first five minutes of Obama's speech which was about how well Hillary did and how great her campaning was, his friend said to Thom that the speeches had something in common.

Both were about Hillary.

[Doityourself]

25. I bet you're gonna get a lot of that from people that originally thought it was a good idea...

[wileedog]

53. Count me as one of them

I was for it before I was against it :)

[cascadiance]

28. I think he finally realizes that trying to be "even handed" in this case is harmful...

He's seeing that sometimes there are some situations when it doesn't pay to bring someone in a position of trust who demonstrates strongly they can't be trusted, no matter what the tactical benefit appears to be there.

Hillary has taken herself out of contention by her continued "attitude problem"!

[Shakespeare]

29. Gee, Thom, ya THINK?

Glad he's backed away from that nonsense.

[newmajority]

32. Why are the scripted Hillbots still calling radio shows and harrassing them?

Thom has had three of them and it's not even 9:30 yet.

[TornadoTN]

33. He said he "feels like an idiot" for giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt

Said that she had the chance to become the great uniter and to seal her legacy, but she blew it.

Those are strong words coming from him.

[AspenRose]

38. That's just it

Thom is a gentleman and always gives people courtesy and the benefit of the doubt.

Look at how he treats opposing views on his show.

He probably thought that someone on the same side certainly should be afforded the same courtesy.

Glad to see his eyes have been opened.

[olkaz]

59. Those are EXTREMELY powerful words coming from him.

Jesus. He's REALLY taken a totally different stand, just based on her not conceding?

My thinking is that he has been ashamed of her all through this campaign, and that this is the best excuse to finally say "that's enough".

[Doctor_J]

34. More like mortified

He's pretty much saying she's trying to sink his campaign.

[PATRICK]

35. This is my observation

The person always ready with the goodwill and healing and rational approach is now forced to run up against the negative, and leaving HRC behind. This in my mind is consistently better for the situation since the negative will always rise up horribly to make Hillary a burden more than a plus for the ticket.

By destroying these one sidedly positive sentiments she has done us one favor at least. there is nothing left now to counteract the daunting(and unmentioned by her admirers) negative argumentation that simply is there regardless of anything Hillary could have said or done these past few months or into the fall campaign. Instead of working for that rosy glow she manipulates it, makes no concessions to politics and proves she will not handle(well) the negative burdens she brings to a possible ticket.

In most things Hartmann is very smart and very experienced. If the entire electorate moved by that wisdom
everything would be fine and he sees the evils and flaws we face very well. Yet Hillary is not there and is playing to the other side or her side instead. It only works or is made to work for the GOP.

[eleny]

40. Thom's Hillary position these past weeks surprised me

When I tuned in this morning, I half expected him to be persuading us to go along. So it was good to hear that he woke up to her core motivations. I have this image of him watching her speech last night going from waiting for her concession to holding his breath and worrying that she would say "On to Denver!". I know that last night I was worried about that more than anything.

[PassingFair]

52. I really think he has had Darfur on his mind lately.

It's the only explanation.

[seafan]

37. Hartmann: Of two ways to motivate people, the carrot or the stick----last night she used the stick.

Finally, this morning, Thom Hartmann has seen the light.


Yes, it would be a grave error to include her on Obama's ticket.


And, for someone who has actively worked to undermine Obama's character and presidential campaign, she should not be allowed any substantive chance to undermine his agenda in the future by mistakenly awarding her a consolation prize of Senate Majority Leadership.

[uponit7771]

41. Yeap, he sounds disappointed and understandeably so.

[eleny]

42. He interprets her talking about the 18mil who voted for her as her seeing them as her property

[tishaLA]

44. Some kooky "former Edwards supporter" is on now

and she sounds completely unbalanced defending Sen Clinton. Yikes. Somehow she also thinks Clinton conceded last night.

[americanstranger]

56. Hey, we have one of those here!

No names, please. :rofl:

- as

[Kitsune]

46. Wow. If she's lost Thom Hartmann, she's DONE.

He's been pulling for her as VP for weeks now, and it's really been annoying the hell out of me. If even he's seeing through her now, the best thing she can do is crawl back to New York and hope that America forgets she exists.

[eleny]

48. I think he figured she'd be totally gracious last night

Put herself out there in a stateswoman manor. Dazzle everyone with such classy grace that O would look crazy if he didn't have her at the tippy top of his VP list. But she disappointed Thom so deeply that he's now discussing her manner in terms of pathology. Given Thom's background, it must have hit him last night like a baseball bat.

[TornadoTN]

49. He gave her the benefit of the doubt and his trust to do the right thing

And she abused it and basically spit in his (and many others) faces.

[democracy1st]

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http://airamerica.com/

[tishaLA]

50. Wow now this Linda person is another kook

She sounds like someone who just overinvested in Sen Clinton emotionally. "It's as if only women are being called on to be good sports."

"Oh that's not true, Linda, any more than this is a matter of black vs white."

"*sigh*"

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

55. Thom, we tried to tell you but you closed your eyes!

Thank God they are now open! Picking Hillary as VP is suicide...and I mean suicide in every way!

[olkaz]

61. Thom was keeping an open mind.

He is at his very core a peacemaker, and wanted the two sides to merge in a positive way.

It has to have been very painful for him to realize that it's now completely impossible.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

62. If he were truly trying to keep an open mind, then he should done so

when we were all screaming. The last straw was the RFK assassination issue. That should have jolted him out of his zombie-like mental state.

But I am happy that he has finally come around...

[cyndensco]

57. Just as observation...

Whoopie G., too, said today she "hated" hrc's speech. She has been a proponent of a "dream ticket" but now, after last night, realizes it should not happen.

[ErinBerin84]

63. The View. Now there's something that makes me embarassed to be a woman

I watched it today to see what their reaction would be. Whoopi said that the view should get credit because they were the first people who were discussing the dream ticket months ago. The sad thing is, I think she is serious. And as a whole, they are so uninformed that it's ridiculous. Whoopi's whole rationalization for picking her primary candidate was choosing the person who "first brought up closing corporate tax loopholes overseas" or something. And she announced that she heard Obama bring it up, so she was going to vote for him. And then Chelsea called her and said that Hillary had brought it up in May, so Whoopi switched and voted for her on February 5th (honestly, both Hillary and Obama were probably talking about this the whole time, does it really matter to her who said it first? It's not that original of an idea). Elizabeth was in full on Republican hack mode today, pirating McCain's talking points perfectly. She used to be a total bush cheerleader, but now acts like it never happened. She has been going on and on every day about how Obama is most!liberal!senator!, but today she said that "obama has sided with Bush more than McCain! ". And she said that Hillary should keep going on because she has the popular vote. Barbara said "two words, Al Gore", but it really pisses me off that people have such willful ignorance of the popular vote myth. She doesn't have the popular vote!

I remember a couple months ago when she said "Years from now, the surge will be looked back upon for its genius".