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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:13 AM
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CNN is covering Hillary's speech live at AIPAC today.
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 10:19 AM by Carrieyazel
She's talking now like she's the nominee?

Sen. Clinton is supposed to be out of the race now, right?

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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:13 AM
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1. I don't think so
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 10:16 AM by CatsDogsBabies
she is talking about Obama's commitment to Israel. I don't think any of her speech sounds like she thinks she is going to be president.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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37. You spoke too soon she starting slamming him around
I don't think the next president should agree to talk to Hamas
We need a president who will be willing to handle theses challenges "from day one" <----Isn't that her campaign motto? SHE is still campaigning sadly

And she still didn't congratulate Obama, she is scum, how can she even be considered to be on the ticket or anywhere near 1600 Penn. AVE?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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46. Um, Obama never said he would talk to Hamas.
He specifically rejected the idea.

So saying that the next president shouldn't agree to talk to Hamas isn't campaigning against Obama. In fact, McCain said he wanted to talk to Hamas back in 2006.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:39 AM
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58. No, he didn't.. but its the talking point McCain is using against him. And she just repeated it.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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64. Right after she made the comment about Hamas
she through our her famous line
"be ready from day one" that is her way of slamming Obama
she is still campaigning. It's beginning to get creepy
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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52. The difference between the two speeches demonstrate why she lost the election /nt
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:41 AM
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60. Agreed!
He has Class she's an (well you know)
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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2. MSNBC carrying it too
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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3. Hillary is being very graceful to Obama n/t
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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Really, that is very cool if true. I hope she keeps it up.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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9. No, she really is not. It's what she's NOT saying that speaks volumes.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:34 AM
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50. Contrast that to what Obama said. Night and Day. Obama laid out the issues
problem and what must be done

Clinton was mostly pandering


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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:51 AM
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70. ROFL. We've gone from slamming her every word to slamming things she DIDN'T say.
:crazy:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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4. WTF is she doing??!! Not one WORD about Obama and the nomination..she keeps
saying "the next Democratic President".. like its gonna be HER !! OMG..
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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5. She was, now she's talking about Obama
But still not quite admitting that he won.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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6. my 10 year old just heard her say that Obama will be a friend to Israel and he said
"at least she said something nice for now".
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:20 AM
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15. Heard that
and to my ears that's her "concession phrase", at least for now. What does your 10 year old think :-)?
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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7. puke
She needs to receive the same level of coverage as Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardon, Kucinich, Gravel, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani, Thompson and anyone else that isn't our nominee.

Gobama
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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8. She just commended Obama & that he will be a good friend to Israel!
Also that we need a Democratic president in the WH.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:15 AM
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10. She just conceded.
She still hasnt said he's the nominee, but her line about Obama being a good friend to Israel was a concession.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:19 AM
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14. No, She Said "Senator Obama Will Be A Good Friend"...
She still thinks she's running.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:20 AM
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16. Right before she said Obama will be a good friend to Israel, she said we need a dem in the WH
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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28. She also said "will be" not is a good friend.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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19. I siad to myslef the exact same words
when I heard it! The rest of the speech, what I heard of it, is still under the assumption that she is a candidate, but that particluar phrase was a clear add-on, and shows she is giving in to reality.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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20. if its vague and you have to interpret it, its not a concession
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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24. IN the context
it was clear that Obama, as PRESIDENT, would be a great friend of Israel. Of course it is not a formal concession (I wonder whether there will be one...), but it was quite striking.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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21. I agree
I think it sounds like she conceded. She mentioned that she is senator of NY and has a large Jewish constituency. Just because she is addressing this groupdoesn't mean she thinks she is the nominee. She is a senator.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:16 AM
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11. actually shes being very humble
today. im very impressed by her speech so far. unity is beginning.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:17 AM
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12. I guess we're interpreting differently.. she's talking like a Co-President.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:25 AM
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31. I appreciated her sentiment at first, but it's now turned into a campaign speech
And downright scary too.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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51. She used her "be ready from day one" Stump speech tag
She's nuts!
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:18 AM
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13. It sounds like a campaign speech to me n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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so is CSPAN3
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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17. The 2nd half of her speech is stellar..she actually dissed and tagged McCain as more Bush! go Hill!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:21 AM
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18. Did she just slam Obama by inference??
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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26. she's definitely campaigning for something
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:26 AM
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32. I think I agree with you...
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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29. I caught that too and have been trying to wrap my mind around it
Her comment on negotiation as a thinly veiled slam against Obama's approach.

Plus, her Iranian language is pure pander and downright scary.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:27 AM
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34. Exactly: "We must NOT negotiate with Hamas".. a direct McCain TPM against Obama.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:28 AM
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36. "You don't have ask where I stand, you know where I stand." Was that a slight or a snippy slam?
Not sure.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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44. Was that Clinton or McCain up there during the second half of that speech?
Seriously. You couldn't tell the difference based on the context.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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48. I think the whole speech was a slam. Definitely those remarks were and her non
acknowledgement of Obama definitely was.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:22 AM
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22. Iran's supreme leader issued a fatwa against Nuclear Weapons
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM by LSK
I am so fucking sick and tired of this shit!!!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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23. she doesnt back down from Kyl-Liebermann
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:36 AM
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54. His predecessor also issued one against Salman Rushdie, but that didn't seem to slow him down
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:41 AM
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61. Actually, it did. He cancelled a whole slew of speaking engagements
and had to go underground for a while, iirc.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:42 AM
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63. and the NIE CONFIRMED that they stopped their Nuclear Weapons program
Why do you have blinders on?
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:23 AM
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25. She didn't say OBLITERATE..she said suffer consequences...nice change Hill
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:24 AM
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27. I Was Afraid to Watch - So I Didn't
I don't want to hear her trash the democratic nominee one more time - I will tune her out until she decides to play nice
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:25 AM
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30. The 1st half wasn't so good...the 2nd half much much better..she maybe running for VP now though?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:26 AM
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33. It doesn't sound like it - it's all about " I's and Me's" and contrasting herself with Obama now
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 10:27 AM by TornadoTN
She's all over the place.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:28 AM
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35. This is simply bizarre.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:30 AM
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41. I honestly wish I could figure out what her intentions are at this point
She gave the minimum amount of lip-service needed to show some "class", yet she then turned her rhetoric into overdrive and started throwing out thinly veiled slams against Obama.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:31 AM
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42. Bizzar-o!
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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38. Yeah...I guess that was the middle of the speech...lol
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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39. This story about Natan is very powerful
And she's telling it with a grace she sometimes lacked during the campaign.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:32 AM
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45. Her stories have never came across as "genuine" ... I don't believe anything she says after Bosnia.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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47. Yes - it was pretty notable that her delivery of this part of the speech
was so much better than her usual delivery
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:29 AM
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40. I swear that she's figuratively dangling a pair of big brass balls ... disgusting performance. n/t
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:31 AM
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43. unfortunately everyone has to pander to these people
:grr:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:33 AM
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49. Not like THIS. I swear. I know "the look" ... HRC would mini-Nuke Iran on the LEAST PROVOCATION
Just so "the boys" would think highly of her. She's absolutely power hungry mad. :scared:
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:35 AM
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53. No doubt about it
She gets so close to accepting Obama, and then turns into overdrive slamming his principled approach to foreign policy. To top it all off, she goes into prime warmongering mode.

Thankfully Obama is going to be our candidate.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:38 AM
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57. yeah I know, she goes nuts with it, but I dont even like some of what Barack says
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:46 AM
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67. Yes, I agree. But we KNOW that Obama has "the temperament" to weigh the evidence and
not let his AMBITIONS get in the way of making "good judgments."

I don't trust HRC any more than Grampy McSame - POWER is everything to megalomanias. :scared:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:47 AM
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68. you are silly to say. get a grip!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:50 AM
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69. what happened to you?
:shrug:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:38 AM
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56. Obama was very frank. He called for a two state solution. He called for an end
to the illegal settlements. He called for us to get out of Iraq, and for Iraq to take over. He called for a dialog in the region with ALL parties

Yes, a little pandering occurred, but not the way Senator Clinton did

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:39 AM
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59. yes but he still plays the Iran wants nukes card too much for my taste
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:42 AM
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62. True, but he also supports a dialog, which incidently was what the Baker/Hamilton
recommendation was, and which was soundly rejected by the bush administration

Obama also said that the policies of the last 8 years have done nothing to make Israel more secure or the region, in fact just the opposite, and a new course was necessary

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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66. Bush didnt even open the ISG Report
He probably used it to start his fireplace.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:43 AM
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65. Yes, but consider the forum
I don't like the pandering at all, but unfortunately it's the name of the game in politics. Obama does it far less than Hillary, so that's a plus.

But the Iranian issue does concern me as well to some small degree, but Hillary's first response is "wipe em' out".
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:37 AM
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55. they covered obama first
Until she bows out they will cover her too.
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