CNN had it right- "DERANGED NARCISSISTS"!

[peaches2003]

Jeffrey Toobin on CNN had it right last night, by God. He called the Clintons "Deranged Narcissists". He has them pegged perfectly, like everyone knows, but won't say outloud. They are all about themselves. It's not their feminist supporters or the blue collar working class or the 'issues' they care about it and they understand they have lost the nomination in the primaries. They are not deluded. They just don't care about the country or the Democratic Party- they care only about themselves and what they now can get for themselves no matter what it does to everyone and everything else. If these screaming women think Hillary gives a s--t about them they are the deluded ones.

Thank you, Jeffrey, for having the balls to tell it like it is. For once I was glad I switched to CNN during an MSNBC commercial.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I had changed channels just in time to hear that, and I laughed out loud--so TRUE!

[Coexist]

2. I was stunned when he said that.

[polpilot]

11. People have had enough of this. Hill's 'non-concession' = no VP offer.

Oops again!

[Radio_Lady]

21. Polpilot, I completely disagree with your position.

Hillary is a dynamic and qualified candidate with a huge number of supporters.

I believe Barack needs her to fill in the "holes" in his constituent profile. Large numbers of people agree with me, as they do with you, for varying reasons.

However, this is not our immediate decision. It's theirs. Let's wait and see.

What is clear is that Hillary Rodham Clinton has worked for years for this moment and she has the right to do whatever she wants. The Clintons have been active in politics since 1980, and between them, they have won eight (8) consecutive elections!

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Butch350]

47. 21. Polpilot, I completely disagree with your position.

Everything changes with time.

[Radio_Lady]

60. Yes. Yes. I'm spiritual and enjoy all Eastern thought.

However, I'm practical, too. Having a woman vice president? Wow! That's a LOT of change!

Cordially,

RL

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. There are other FEMALE candidates out there you know

just saying

[Radio_Lady]

64. Gone fishin' -- we've covered all this before.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Obama's main theme is CHANGE

Hillary is NOT change.

[Radio_Lady]

12. FlLDem5, I was stunned also. The pundits had been on "filling time" for hours.

What is his background? Is he a doctor of psychiatry?

Jeffrey Toobin was over the top last night; usually, I really like his analysis. Well, "every dog gets his first bite."

It sickens me when these people think they are really full of themselves and can say inflammatory things on the public airwaves.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Jazzgirl]

41. Radio_Lady, I believe Toobin is a lawyer. n/t

[Radio_Lady]

44. Yes, I know. I just sent him a friendly but gently chastizing email. His website is:

http://www.jeffreytoobin.com/jeffrey

[uberblonde]

3. This, from the same insightful people...

Who wanted to have a beer with W. I'll form my own opinions, thanks.

[Stephanie]

8. What are you talking about?

Do you know who Jeffrey Toobin is?

[Radio_Lady]

27. Stephanie, are you asking for more information? Or perhaps this is sarcasm.

If you want to know about him, link here:

http://www.jeffreytoobin.com/jeffrey/

He's an author and a legal analyst. I have no idea why he blurted this out during his stint on CNN.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Stephanie]

29. I was questioning the poster above, not you.

The poster above seems to think that Toobin is a guy who wants to have a beer with W.

[Radio_Lady]

33. OK. No worries... hard to tell who is talking to whom!!!

I wouldn't mind having a beer with Toobin. He's an interesting guy and I love his curly hair.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[TexasObserver]

4. the Clintons "Deranged Narcissists".

[ShortnFiery]

5. Yes, I heard Jeffrey Toobin say it live last night. Bless his courage because he's SPOT ON!

Jeffrey Toobin. :yourock:

[JBoy]

22. LOL. He made David Gergen squirm in his seat.

[Radio_Lady]

24. My response to Mr. Toobin? To be charitable, the comment was unnecessary

and that diagnosis should be the province of people trained in psychiatry.

[ShortnFiery]

31. It was perfect! Hell, I fear we may have to perform a Political exorcism to wrest

HRC off of the National Spotlight. I've never been more ashamed of "a woman" who supposedly claims to be "all women."

HRC is delusional.

[Radio_Lady]

36. HRC is a proud, assertive, attractive woman. She is fully prepared to be VP.

She clearly has NO delusions.

Of course she does not represent all women. It's more than that: it's some women and men and other races and ages.

She represents millions of us who think she might have taken the top spot, but missed it by a hair's breadth (in political terms). I'm stopping short of either saying she was robbed, or that her handlers let her down. However, both of these statements may be correct.

In case you have lost focus, we are trying to unite a badly split party. I've been around politics since my childhood -- the only thing that has changed is how easily people can attack the candidates with every spiteful, hateful, and disgusting comments.

Unity is democracy:

[jonestonesusa]

49. What do you mean Clinton was robbed?

She squandered many advantages and failed to claim enough delegates to win the nomination. Obama ran a better campaign, and stuck to the high road much better than the Clintons.

Have you read this article from the HuffPo and WSJ:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/wsj-clinton-used-expletiv_n_105161.html

It gives a more detailed insider's view of what went wrong with the Clinton campaign. I would just like to see all Democrats give Obama's campaign it's fair due instead of serial suggestions that Clinton was robbed.

Where were you all during the election thefts of 2000 and 2004?

[Radio_Lady]

58. Um... welcome. "Where were you all during the election thefts of 2000 and 2004?"

First of all, the DU was formed in 2001.

Where was I? Right here in Portland, OR, clamoring about those topics in front of a microphone on Oregon Public Broadcasting!

:rofl:

You joined this group in March 2008. I joined in November 2004 -- and worked with Google Usenet and a local website with a political forum www.pdxradio.com for years prior.

See if you can get close to conciliatory at some point in this process. It would be good if you stopped poking your fingers in people's eyes.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[jonestonesusa]

67. That's great that you stood up for African American voters disenfranchised in 2000 and 2004.

I hope that you will continue to do so, just as I have stood up for the rights of women across race, class, and national divisions in my own work. I'll be conciliatory as our opinions and the context demands, just as I assume you will be less condescending next time in advising me to be more conciliatory. I know that because we're both here on DU, we are roughly on the same side of most issues, but the campaign showed that there is still distance to be bridged.

I have actually been a longtime lurker on DU, but not a poster or supporter. But I do challenge opinions when I strongly disagree with them, in this forum or in person. That is not the same as poking people in the eyes - that's an intentional exaggeration of my challenge to your opinions. I do like to discuss things and I'm very open for my views to be challenged as well, but I'm prickly about the snarkiness that is often directed at Obama even by progressives, including the hesitation to credit him for his accomplishments or his successful campaign. That's really why I reacted negatively to your earlier post.

I still have no idea why you implied this nomination was stolen from Hillary Clinton. I do not find this unsubstantiated opinion to be credible, and I find it to be an intentional slight on the historical occasion that an African American candidate has earned the nomination. And there's nothing conciliatory or progressive about that slight.

I do not intend any personal disrespect - just vigorous disagreement.

[Number23]

72. Yow!

I'll be conciliatory as our opinions and the context demands, just as I assume you will be less condescending next time in advising me to be more conciliatory.

Bam!!!

I do like to discuss things and I'm very open for my views to be challenged as well, but I'm prickly about the snarkiness that is often directed at Obama even by progressives, including the hesitation to credit him for his accomplishments or his successful campaign.

BOOM!!

I do not find this unsubstantiated opinion to be credible, and I find it to be an intentional slight on the historical occasion that an African American candidate has earned the nomination. And there's nothing conciliatory or progressive about that slight.

KA-POW!!!!!

I believe the technical term for this post is a scriptural @ss-whuppin'.....

[jonestonesusa]

78. Thanks...

The joys of the scriptural dozens are in effect online...

Go Obama!

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. Her sniper fire story was a delusion

[PoliticalAmazon]

46. The term "narcissist" has become part of the common vernacular...

just as have words like "psychotic."

I think it's obvious that the Clintons are thinking of no one but themselves and are so delusional as to their worth to the Party, America and the world that they do seem to be narcissistic and detached from reality.

[ShortnFiery]

28. Yeah, David Gergen is spinelessly shilling for the Political Power Elite within both Parties. n/t

[Radio_Lady]

38. Divisive and unnecessary. He works for a living with a talent he has.

What do you do for a living?

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

Unity is democracy...

[ShortnFiery]

51. That must be an awfully heavy "pack" of self-righteousness you're toting RL.

It must be nice to be above it all OR when someone crosses an "imagined slight" you can just FLATLY feign indignation and "RENOUNCE and REJECT.

Oh those "all knowing" HRC love-fest clutches must be lovely. :eyes:

[Radio_Lady]

56. No, just a little tiny black backpack with a bottle of water and some Chapstick!

:rofl:

I don't know you, and you don't know me. I've spent a lot of time in politics stretching back to my Florida youth. Dad was a councilman then vice mayor of the town I grew up in. He was also a lawyer and a judge. (I'm 69.)

You are wrong. I don't have love-fests with Hillary supporters, either here or anywhere. I predicted there would be a black male president before there would be a white (or other color) female president -- that was in 1971-72, when I was one of the first female talk show hosts in the United States. I've spent more than fifty years in media. You didn't even explain your circumstances and why you needed to bash DG in your other post!

Read my original post about my choices earlier in this primary season:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady

Like others, I had a favorite in the primary. My husband is an active elected Democratic committeeperson, and both of us are working very hard with the Washington County (Oregon) Democrats. Whatever happens with the "ticket toppers" -- we are really quite a bit more invested in the defeat of Senator Gordon Smith (R) here in our state.

We will both support Obama and whomever is selected for VP. My husband just heard an announcement that a committee of three people, including Caroline Kennedy, will head up the process for choosing a Vice President.

Now that was a positive and self-explanatory message. See if you can respond in kind to others, even if they disagree with you.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Burma Jones]

6. I don't know about deranged.........

Chappaqua is full of narcissists

[Radio_Lady]

39. Well, I have no idea. I've never met anyone from Chappaqua, nor would I speak for these

two people who have both served our country very well, IMHO.

You can continue the name-calling.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady in Oregon

Unite Democrats! We have a General Election coming up in November 2008.

[BobbyVan]

7. Listen, unity is a two way street

I just changed by avatar from Clinton to Obama.

You guys need to quit the insults and realize that you can't keep insulting a member of the family and then expect to have a nice Thanksgiving dinner.

[peaches2003]

10. Speaking the truth about them

is not an insult. It's just the truth as proved by their behavior.

[Stephanie]

16. Where is the unity from the Clinton side? They refuse to get on board.

It's really appalling.

[JackBeck]

19. Spot on, Stephanie!

:thumbsup:

[BobbyVan]

20. Have some patience. Obama is striking the right chord; would that his supporters did the same.

[Stephanie]

25. She has exhausted my patience.

[Radio_Lady]

32. Perhaps you need more patience. It will come in handy in your life, truly.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[JackBeck]

23. It's not about DU.

It's about when is she going to support the nominee.

She didn't even congratulate Obama on his win. She may have left a mark on history with that slight, and it may not be a kind one. Just as she dissed his speech on race as "just another speech".

[Radio_Lady]

40. Welcome, BobbyVan. Thanks so much for your comments.

Unite Democrats for a win in November 2008!

[Carolina]

9. K&R, thank you Jeffrey Toobin

too bad Clinton supporters in the 90s, like me, didn't see the error of our ways sooner.

Maybe we should have gotten rid of HIM for the BJs. Then Gore would have been POTUS and the nightmare of the past 8 years would be fiction! Plus she would not be where she is... creating another nightmare.

[ErinBerin84]

13. I usually don't watch CNN, but I switched over last night

and was surprised by it too! I feel like every time I have watched CNN, Toobin has been a pretty staunch defender of Hillary Clinton. Was that just the few times that I turned in?

[FightingIrish]

14. I thought David Gergen was going to cough up a hair ball

Her unusually selfish game is being played for no one's benefit but hers. Sher deserves this kind of frank criticism and hopefully some eyes were opened last night.

[grantcart]

34. I did too lol Toobin taking over the punditry at CNN reminded me of

Michael Jordan taking over a playoff game.

In my mind Toobin but himself on a much higher level than the others, with the possibly startled Gergen.. lol

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[breakaleg]

17. That was spot on. All of the excuses as to why she wouldn't concede before disappeared last

night. There was no reason for her not to drop out then. That comment was fully justified.

[NJmaverick]

18. It's time people do speak up. The future of our nation is too important

to allow this nonsense to continue.

[ErinBerin84]

26. I wonder if a part of it has to do with the media just being sick of getting blamed

I mean, the media in the general sense deserves a lot of blame for things going on in this world, but I have noticed that a lot of media outlets are getting especially frustrated with Hillary blaming them for her loss. Like, it went from self reflection (ARE we being too soft on Obama? WE need to compensate for that) to just being exasperated.

Anyone watch Lanny Davis on Larry King last night, pushing Veep? David Gergen always has a gentle way of talking that I really like. He talks really slowly, but I think he's careful to think about the words coming out of his mouth. He said something like "Lanny has been my good friend for many many years, so I think what I'm going to say will disappoint him. And I've actually evolved on this issue, I do think that Hillary can be helpful on the VP slot for Obama. But...he cannot be forced in to it. As I understand it, according to the NYT, Lanny is starting a petition to push for her as VP. Hillary Clinton has won a lot of these last primaries, she finished up the second half of the race very strong, and she has millions and millions of supporters.. But I think a lot of people expected her to acklowedge and start to get her supporters being Obama tonight , and she didn't do that. She said "go to my website and tell me what to do", and we know what a lot of people are going to wright in..they will say to go on to Denver. If she's perceived as having pushed him into taking her as VP, I can see it as being real trouble for him down the road."
Another CNN panelist (Obama supporter) told Lanny that the moment he saw the speech going down a more disturbing road was when audience started shouting "Denver, Denver!", instead of trying to calm them down, she seemed to "bask in the glory of their adulation".

[Radio_Lady]

30. Perhaps your point of view is as biased as mine. I watched the same programming and have come to

a different conclusion. If the winner and the "runner-up" have to negotiate, then they have every right, on behalf of their supporters, or have their advisers to send letters, make telephone calls, and get together to try and resolve this. The use of the word "forced" or "foist" (which was used in a post last night) is biased and unnecessarily divise. You must know we need to bind up our political wounds and move on.



Lanny Davis, Terry McAuliffe, and other Clinton supporters are just as dedicated in their positions as you are. On CNN, David Gergen does bring a certain style and certain equilibrium to the table, which I felt many of the others lacked on Tuesday's Larry King Live.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[ErinBerin84]

35. I was just paraphrasing what they said

[Asgaya Dihi]

37. You don't bind wounds with a forced relationship

The two can hardly stand each other and that's pretty obvious. It's his ticket and his agenda he's going to have to run on so he's got every right to pick the person who would best help him to accomplish his goals, not hers. Nothing in this race suggests that she'll take a back seat to anyone or stop for anything once she sets her mind to it and given that the VP can't be fired personally I think he'd be a fool to even consider it. Too much power in that office these days and recent precedent of a VP turning the President into a puppet, she just might think she can do it too. I'd bet the same has occurred to him as well.

She should have acted like she was applying for a job weeks ago instead of attacking straight through to the end then trying to extort what she can out of the system.

[Radio_Lady]

43. I disagree, but I'll defend your right to have your own opinion.

Unity in the Democratic Party is our goal.

[Asgaya Dihi]

45. That one we can agree on

Peace :grouphug:

[peaches2003]

52. What do you mean "Have to Negotiate"??

It may come as a shock to Hillary and her followers, but Obama does not "HAVE TO NEGOTIATE" with Hillary or anyone else. It is his perogative who he wants to be his VP. And not only would picking the Clintons for VP (and it would be both of them) be a nightmare as she hogged the spotlight (it is all about them afterall), but can you imagine governing with them in the VP office. She probably would name her own cabinet.

[Radio_Lady]

63. I think it was Chris Matthews who made the analogy. Hillary has millions of supporters.

She does not want to fail them. She has "another army" almost as big as Obama's. The top two people or their surrogates have to discuss if they will band together for the common good. It's a military strategy. (Not an exact quote, but discussed during the day on CNN.)

Whatever you think of Hillary, I do believe she is doing all of this for the good of the party, and she deserves to be recognized.

[mamalone]

75. I completely agree with you about Gergen..

Yes he's a conservative, but an honorable and intelligent one. I really like him and Mark Shields together on the Newshour years ago. I think the way he spoke to LD was very effective.

[OzarkDem]

48. How unprofessional

I used to respect him, but it sounds like he's gotten caught up in all the silly stuff.

[ShortnFiery]

50. Somehow, I think Jeffery Toubin will survive. Some way ... some how. eom

[Radio_Lady]

59. Yes, he will. I told him that I feel his work is usually excellent and I like his smile and...

his curly hair!

(I live with a bald guy who used to have curls, before he lost it all. That was before I even knew him.)

Cordially,

Radio Lady

[Yukari Yakumo]

53. Told ya so...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6264740&mesg_id=6264897

MSM is not going to be kind to HRC (at least the part that's going to pay attention to her). And SDs are leaving her.

Her attempt at a power play isn't going to work and will likely backfire on her.

[IsItJustMe]

54. And now the Democratic Party has to figure out how to talk them down from the ledge. I don't think

it will be done to the detrement of the election for Obama. I survived 8 years of Bush. Who knows what the hell McCain will hold for us. It ain't good at all.

[Mimosa]

55. CNN has gotten better lately

I certainly prefer CNN to Fox or MSNBC.

[Why Syzygy]

57. That's the pitiful thing. The Hillbots think she is for real. She is using them

just as she uses everyone.

[underpants]

61. "She. LOST."

Toobin several times last night

on McCain's speech

"that was AWFUL. It was PATHETIC"

[Geek_Girl]

68. Nah

They just play hard and play to win at all cost.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

69. I'm a not a Clinton supporter

But I seriously think that they are doing this "for the betterment of the country"... I'd call it more elitist than narcissistic. :shrug:

[Aloha Spirit]

70. Why in the name of the Horae did you have to bump this thread?

Most of us would rather not see these types of threads anymore at the top of the page :hi:

[PerpetuallyDazed]

80. Why the heck not?

It's a free country. *Bump*

[depakid]

71. Wow. Sounds like Republican bile from the 1990's

But then again- what does one expect from CNN -or from those who watch it?

Same old shallow same old, like one might see on FR.

[BklynChick]

73. I was stunned to hear the truth said and in such a passionate way on CNN. Spot on.

[susankh4]

74. Is he trying to help Obama or McCain?

This kind of slander against Democrats is, ultimately, a boost to the GOP.

For that matter... ARE YOU trying to help the GOP? Or the Dems?

[Maureen1322]

76. Still doesn't change the fact 18 million people voted for her.

[Clear Blue Sky]

77. Toobin has it right.

I don't believe the latest about her "conceding" this weekend. Suspend maybe.

Ted Kennedy didn't concede to Carter until the actual convention.

She will hang in there hoping that the super delegates change their minds. They are not bound in spite of their current commitments to Obama. She is hoping something derails Obama and the super delegates flock to her and give her the nomination.

[Poll_Blind]

79. She is an embarassment to the Democratic party and to our nation. n/t

PB

[Imagevision]

81. That's a stretch...The Hogans are "DERANGED NARCISSISTS"!