Don't tell me you're a Clinton supporter.

[baldguy]

Hillary Clinton isn't running for President. She has not been for several months now. And the great majority of Americans DO NOT WANT her to be President. Her name WILL NOT be on the ballot in November. So don't tell me you're a Clinton supporter.

Right now there are two people running: the Republican candidate John McCain and the Democratic candidate Barack Obama.

You have two choices: If you are a member of the Democratic party and/or wish to see John McCain lose on Election Day and/or simply care about seeing a positive future for this country - then by default your candidate is Barack Obama.

-or-

Your candidate is John McCain.

There is no other choice.

[Enrique]

1. let people call themselves what they want

[still_one]

2. I agree. I also resent the implication from the media and the Clinton campaign

that Senator Clinton should be the Vice President

I would like to point out it was President Obama WHO WON the nomination, not Senator Clinton

It is President Obama who will make that decision, NOT Senator Clinton

[leftofcool]

3. I think I will decide this for myself but thank you for your concern

[Sulawesi]

4. If your choice is a) Obama, or b) McCain

...and you choose c) Hillary Clinton, what does that mean and what are you trying to accomplish?

I think that is a fair point raised by the OP, even as you glibly dismiss it.

[LWolf]

5. I'm not.

I never have been.

Your post is demonstrably false, though. There are more than two people running, and all voters have more than 2 choices.

That's a fact. Deal with it.

[elocs]

16. The fact to deal with is that only Obama or McCain will be the next president of the U.S.

Those are the only 2 viable choices who will actually become our next president--Obama or McCain, one or the other. It will not be Hillary Clinton. The concept is very simple and will be in place here at DU. If you post opposition to the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama, then you will be considered as giving support to the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party, John McCain. Tombstones are currently being readied.

[Dhalgren]

28. Being able to post on an internet site means absolutely nothing.

There are more than two choices for President this fall. That statement does not constitute a cause for tomb-stoning. There is no reason to be so blinded by your politics. There is a whole world out there that is not owned by the corporations. The political process in the US is owned by the corporations, so that makes everyone think that everything else is, too. But that is wrong...

[LWolf]

34. Well, one part of that is true.

It will be Obama or McCain. They aren't the only choices to vote for, but the eventual winner will be one of the two.

It's also true that censorship of any criticism of the Democratic nominee will be in force.

Of course, I wasn't disputing those facts.

I'm disputing the statement baldguy made in the OP:

"Right now there are two people running: the Republican candidate John McCain and the Democratic candidate Barack Obama."

That is simply not true. There are several other candidates who will be on the ballot in November.

And, of course, this false statement:

"You have two choices: If you are a member of the Democratic party and/or wish to see John McCain lose on Election Day and/or simply care about seeing a positive future for this country - then by default your candidate is Barack Obama.

-or-

Your candidate is John McCain."

Every voter will have more than 2 choices; there will be more than 2 on the ballot.

There is no default candidate for any voter; each voter has free will and can make their own choice.

It's perfectly possible for any voter, including Democratic voters, to vote for neither of those two candidates.

I understand that the OP is using hyperbole to make a political point. I just don't think he should use the word "fact" to describe campaign propaganda.

That has nothing to do with any opposition I may or may not have toward either of the two major candidates, or whether or not I agree or disagree with the concepts behind the hyperbole. It's about intellectual integrity.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. I'm a Clinton supporter.

Cope.

[Enrique]

7. you defy baldguy?

:rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Baldguy angry! Baldguy smash!

Smash! Smash!

[baldguy]

8. If you are a member of the Democratic party and/or wish to see John McCain lose on Election Day

and/or simply care about seeing a positive future for this country - then by default your candidate is Barack Obama.

[bigscott]

10. do you want to go vote for me too?

Save me the trip to the polls :shrug:

[baldguy]

Either you support the nominee of the Democratic party - Barack Obama

Or you support John McCain.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

35. Is this a trick question?

[Lucky 13]

17. Oh we're coping just fine.

How are you coping this morning?

[Orsino]

19. Nyah-nyah-nyah.

So much hate. :-(

[Lucky 13]

25. New meme: Anytime anyone says ANYTHING you don't like, call it "hate"

twist on an old theme. you have just substituted "unpatriotic" with "hate"

[Orsino]

27. I consider post #17 mean-spirited...

...and inappropriate in response to post #6. Childish, even.

[emilyg]

37. Clinton supporter checking in.

[Name removed]

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[baldguy]

11. Trolls don't hang around for 7 yrs.

Troll

[mtnsnake]

12. You're here for one reason...to spread your anti-Clinton hatred, period.

Otherwise you would be celebrating Obama's victory instead of denouncing people who supported Hillary. Seven years doesn't mean shit if it's used to spread the seeds of apathy and hatred. Congratulations on your longevity.

[baldguy]

15. Hillary hasen't conceded. She hasn't thrown her support behind Obama.

She hasn't tried to heal the wounds SHE has created. Once she does that, I'll be happy to again become a Hillary supporter myself - for any other position she desires.

Until then...

[bigscott]

14. herpes does though

:wtf:

[Lerkfish]

18. I don't mind them being clinton supporters. I mind them being obstructionist to the nominee

they dont' have to be both

[scheming daemons]

20. TECHNICALLY... there are four on the ballot.... Nader and Barr too...

[baldguy]

22. Neither of which has any possibility of winning.

Just like Hillary.

If you are a member of the Democratic party and/or wish to see John McCain lose on Election Day and/or simply care about seeing a positive future for this country - then by default your candidate is Barack Obama.

[scheming daemons]

24. Actually, their odds of winning are now INFINITELY higher than Hillary's

Got to be on the ballot to win.

They are.


She ain't.

[Lilith Velkor]

21. I'm a Clinton supporter.

:hi:

[baldguy]

23. Clinton isn't running for President

If you are a member of the Democratic party and/or wish to see John McCain lose on Election Day and/or simply care about seeing a positive future for this country - then by default your candidate is Barack Obama.

[here_is_to_hope]

26. Thanks for creating the perfect post

to enlarge my ignore list. The way I see it, any one still here and posting that supports Hillary for a position she can no longer obtain is a stone cold idiot and not a poster I care to come across.
Especially that hatefilled snake thing.
Eeuuwww...

[Lilith Velkor]

31. Well, I guess two out of three ain't bad

but I'm just not into validating bullies. I'm a Clinton supporter. Choke on that.

[XOKCowboy]

44. Will you vote against the Republican candidate in November?

Hey most of my votes since Nixon were just of that type. There is no dishonor in that. It's the right thing to do.

[Lilith Velkor]

47. Of course.

[Life Long Dem]

40. She's releasing you and all of her supporters!!

So you are free from her constraint. Now run to the candidate of your choice, as Clinton endorses Obama on Friday.

[Lilith Velkor]

48. How does 'constraint' apply to this situation?

Actually, nevermind. Don't really wanna know. :yoiks:

[sufrommich]

29. Please, there are still people here who call themselves

Gore, Kerry,Clark,Biden,etc. supporters. Thinking highly of past candidates is hardly indicative of loyalty to the present nominee. Besides,who died and made you the arbiter of what's allowed?

[Two Americas]

42. toss them all?

I guess we are going to toss them all if they refuse to knuckle under. Who needs 'em? We are trying a new political approach - very, very broad and wishy washy on actual principles and ideals, but very tight and restrictive on just who will be seen as an ally. We are going to enforce total conformity, and toss everyone else until we get down to a hard core of like-minded individuals - say about 10-15% of the population - we should be fine. How many do we need to win an election anyway?

[Skip Intro]

30. I'm a Hillary Clinton Supporter.

And damn proud of it.

[LanternWaste]

32. I'm a Clinton supporter.

I'm a Clinton supporter. I'm an Edwards supporter. I'm a Kucnich supporter. I'm an Obama supporter.

One doesn't preclude the other.

And I'll tell anyone who asks me who I support the same thing...

[Beacool]

33. I am a Clinton supporter and will support her in whatever she chooses to do in the future.

Furthermore, she's won as many votes as Obama and there are plenty of people who prefer her to him. Yes, he limped to the nomination and more power to him, but he lost 8 of the last 15 primaries and all of them by wide margins (except for IN).

[DontTreadOnMe]

51. I'm a non-Clinton supporter

...and I will campaign against her in any future elections.

It might take you a few more days to get over the fact that Hillary's name will not be on the ballot in November.
It might take you a few months... I really don't care how long it takes for you.

Stay home in November, maybe you should vote for someone other than Obama... maybe you should not talk to any more males in the future -- just for the spite of it!
Keep that eternal hate burning. I hear it is good for your health.

[Beacool]

53. It's not about her being a woman.

It's about nominating the least experienced candidate in modern times. I don't think that he's ready to be president. There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Obama and being male is not one of them.

[DontTreadOnMe]

54. I guess your opinion is...

NOT the majority. Obama has more Dem support than Hillary, even with your GOP talking point "not enough experience"..
Hillary is still hurting the Democratic Party, and you still can't see it.

Good thing, huh?

[Beacool]

55. He doesn't have more support.

She has half of the voters of the party and he barely limped through the finish line thanks to SDs.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. People can like Hillary and support Obama at the same time.

They are not mutually exclusive.

[caty]

38. Obama is the "presumptive" nominee.

He is not the nominee until the convention. A lot can happen between now and then. If anymore dirt pops up on him, things could change. If the polls show more people think that Clinton would make a better president and candidate by then, the delegates could change their votes. I hope Clinton just suspends her efforts and takes it to the convention. She would make a much better president and she would be a stronger candidate against McCain. I'm really concerned that if Obama runs, he will lose. He would have a better chance if he asked Clinton to run with him as VP, but I would rather see a Clinton/Obama ticket.

[cynatnite]

39. Well, for one thing it's up to me and I am a Hillary supporter...

I have been since she told a reporter years ago during Bill's campaign that she wasn't some little woman. I'll always be a Hillary supporter.

I can be that and still support Obama for president. He's our nominee.

If anyone chooses to support McCain over Obama because Hillary lost...well, then they aren't good Dems, IMO.

[Straight Shooter]

41. "the great majority of Americans DO NOT WANT her to be President"

Do you remember bush: "I've got a mandate! I've got a mandate!"

Great majority, pfffft.

[wvbygod]

43. Clinton (plural) supporter here

Your binary math does not work on this Democrat. You can not dictate my choices. We are all about choice.

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. I was a Kucinich supporter. I still am. I was an Edwards supporter. I still am.

I was a Hillary supporter. I still am.

[Phillycat]

49. I AM a Clinton supporter. I am also a lifelong Democrat.

I will of course vote against John McCain. That means pulling the lever for Barack Obama. I'm not thrilled about it, but I never once considered not doing it. Such is the nature of party loyalty.

[AJH032]

50. Being a Clinton supporter does not preclude being an Obama supporter as well

and by the way, I'm a Clinton supporter.

[Phillycat]

52. It does for me.

For Clinton, I would have donated, volunteered, went all-out. Obama gets my vote, and that's it.

[Asider23]

56. Give people the choice....

You're not god...as much as I support Obama, let people call themselves what they will.