Give Hillary a break.

[Occam Bandage]

No, she didn't concede. I'm not surprised. In order to have done what she did--that is to say, in order to run herself deeply in debt in a quixotic dead-woman-walking campaign months after she lost viability--she has to have completely and totally emotionally invested herself in her campaign.

Many DUers, too, have invested themselves emotionally in her campaign. For these people, Skinner has wisely granted a one-week period in which they can come to terms with it before accepting it completely (and in which you are able to be jackasses if you want). By the end of that period, I'd imagine most of the dead-enders will have come to terms with the fact that McCain is the enemy and Obama is an ally.

Yeah, Sen. Clinton didn't concede. Yeah, she was pretty rah-rah about her own chances. Whatever. Frankly, I think she's working out the reality that she's going to have do something she's had to do very, very few times in her life: admit she has failed. She's put it off as long as she could. She's undoubtedly come up with a list of concessions and terms she can claim as victories. Maybe she'll come to terms with the situation tomorrow; maybe she'll take a bit longer.

Either way, she was defanged tonight. She's no longer a threat to Sen. Obama, and so she's going to lose a lot of her media relevancy. Superdelegates, too, are shifting to Sen. Obama; popular support will continue to do so as well. She's no longer a threat to damage him--at this point, all she could possibly do is damage her own legacy without touching his, and she's wise enough not to do that.

So give her a break already. We give our Hillary supporters here a week to come to grips with the situation. I'm going to give the most tenacious Hillary Clinton supporter of them all the same luxury.

[DerekJ]

1. Remember the June 15th deadline set a while ago. If she didn't do it by then, she's never going to

do it.
And you can take that to the bank

[SoCalDem]

2. Here's the thing, though..

SHE'S the one who's all "fight-fight-fight-fight"..tough as nails..as bad as the big-boys...battle-tested...fought the republicans for 16 years..ready on day one...ready to sue anyone anytime for 4 votes...ready to say anything, do anyhthing to win..and yet when she loses..she reverts to a scared little weepy girl who has to have a cry and think about it, before she admits to herself that she lost THREE MONTHS AGO??

[Raine]

5. You got that right...

EXACTLY!

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[JVS]

39. Yep. Dead on! I'm so glad she lost!

[leftynyc]

44. I assume she'll admit she lost around

the same time Sen Obama supporters admit this was an extremely close primary - certainly the closest I've ever seen. There is delusion happening all over the place. Like those that think Sen Obama can win without Hillary supporters.

[SoCalDem]

54. Um.. It wasn't "close".. It only SEEMED close

because the media kept her campaign on life-support, and kept making it LOOK close..

Bear in mind that in ANY campaign, at almost ANY time, when there are TWO candidates spending money in a community/state/town/county, and actively campaigning, EACH will get votes..

In MOST election years, after the first few primaries, only ONE candidate is able to keep bringing in money, so the rest fall by the wayside. MOST candidates are not willing to or able to run up 30 MILLION dollars in debt, to keep their campaign limping along on a wing and a prayer..

After early March, MOST primaries are between THE candidate and a handful of "dropped out" candidates whose names are still on the ballot.. Had THEY (or some of them) continued to run "just in case", THEY too would be getting more votes.

The nomination number is theoretically reachable by ONLY one, and since most drop out the one left in the race starts to achieve ever-greater percentages, until the reach the point. When there is a "stalker-candidate" who will NOT drop out, and continues to borrow to stay in, the number gets harder and harder to achieve. It's NOT because Hillary was so lovable, it's just that when people have TWO choices, they often split their votes between them even if only one has a REAL chance ..

Mathematically she could not "catch-up" after Wisconsin, but she knew she could be a spoiler, so she went on, in hopes that he would stumble or ..well you know..:(..



Mom says "who wants pie?"..
The two kids say "I do, I do"
There is a cherry pie & an apple pie
each kid has a piece of a different pie

BUT
if Mom only has an apple pie, they will each happily have a piece of apple pie

[leftynyc]

55. You had a candidate that

was ahead by 100-150 delgates with around 400 superdelegates outstanding. People who were under no obligation to vote for anyone. You want to think that was a blowout, knock yourself out. I've never seen a primary race this close before and I remember a sitting Democratic Senator taking on a sitting Democratic President and taking it all the way to the convention. I don't see anyone on this site demonizing Senator Kennedy for what he did in 1980. He wouldn't even shake President Carter's hand. Have you ever head him blamed for Carter's loss? Even once? And yet here, people are already blaming Hillary for any loss in November. It's like bizzaroland here.

[SoCalDem]

57. Math and probablilities were pretty easy for all the other candidates to figure out

and they dropped out.. Hillary chose to take the "dream on" approach, and as each primary was ticked off her odds got worse and worse, but she could keep borrowing and harming Obama, so why quit..that seemed to be her "thing"..

Kennedy's folly was certainly no reason for HER to continue, unless her goal was for us to lose in Nov.. But that did open up '12 for her..

People will study this election for a long time to come..and I don't think history will treat her very kindly..

[leftynyc]

58. So you'll forgive Sen Kennedy

but scorn Sen Clinton. That says more about you than anything else since there was no way AT ALL for Kennedy to catch up. So many things could have happened to derail Sen Obama. That Rev Wright business for one - and anybody that thinks we've seen the last of that nonsense is delusional. Are you one of those that's predicting a landslide in November?

[SoCalDem]

59. Where did I say I "forgave" Kennedy?

Anyway, I doubt that he loses sleep over what
an individual has to say on a website:rofl:

I did not even vote for Carter in '80, and might not have voted for kennedy either.. I voted for Anderson that time IIRC

I think we'll win in Nov but I am not predicting a landslide.. time will tell

[leftynyc]

61. I doubt any candidate loses sleep

over any website - that's only the delusion of some of the people here. The only thing any politician understands is money - I'm not saying they are not fighting for what they believe and I believe Sen Obama is a truly decent man who wants to do what is best for this country and it's citizens, but I doubt he gives a shit what we're saying here.

[redqueen]

63. Thank you. This infantilizing of the woman has got to stop.

It's beyond absurd.

[murielm99]

3. I'd like to see the hatred stop.

I have already told Obama supporters that I am celebrating with them tonight. If I have made the overture, then they need to reciprocate. The hurtful threads need to cease within the one week deadline as well.

And I am tired of people telling me I am not a Democrat! THOSE are the people I put ignore.

[TBF]

60. Muriel, I don't think you're seeing hatred on either side. People voted and we have a winner.

It's all about our dem candidate and getting behind him to push to victory. We all (or at least most of us) have a common interest - keep McCain from getting the White House. I think Skinner was extremely wise to give everyone a week to get it out of their system. I look forward to working with you to defeat McCain. I'll be making ALOT of calls here in Texas.

[Catherina]

65. Where? I would LOVE to reciprocate

I'm sorry I missed your thread but things have been moving very quickly at DU and I took a break for a private celebration.

I'm SO happy to read your post Muriel.

Edit for a :hug:

[DontTreadOnMe]

4. No, it's called politics.

No break deserved. She lost. It's over. Time to leave the stadium. You can't sit in the dugout and pretend the game is still on.
This is how American Politics works. If you don't like it, then don't run.

Tonight was a historic moment, and Hillary has sullied that moment.
She had a chance to begin unity, and she blew it.

No forgiving. No second chances. My lasting impression of Hillary and her campaign has lost me forever.
I will not support her in any future campaigns -- for any office. And I live in the NYC area.

I will campaign against Hillary in any future offices she chooses to run.
She doesn't stand for the same ideals as me. She puts herself above the best interests of the Democratic party.

Her defiant speech on this historic occassion should be an embarrassment to any Democrat.

[Asgaya Dihi]

12. Not for her

For us. I'm as pissed at her as anyone but we've got a number of her supporters on this board who have made big gestures over recent days stating that they are shifting support from her to him. Others are probably ready to or soon will be but they need a little time or room to do it in.

As one pointed out to me earlier it's more than politics to some of them. They dreamed of a female President for much of their lives and for some they don't think they'll live to see that now. DU policy is to give them a week, seems reasonable and the more I think about it it's useful as well.

Her I'll argue against if she keeps saying new things but her supporters I'd rather give a bit of room for now. If they get in your face fine, but no need to get into theirs. Campaign is over.

[Skip Intro]

6. She took us to every state and territory. She let them all have a say.

She did that.

How can that be wrong?

[Arrowhead2k1]

7. LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!

[Skip Intro]

11. You, buddy. You and those like you.

You're the real problem.

[Arrowhead2k1]

15. Sure I am. Here, grab a few of these.

[Skip Intro]

16. I wanted to attack you back. I won't. Instead, I'll say this...

Go ahead. Make love to that hatred. Spill it all out here for all to see.

You only prove my point.

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[Skip Intro]

19. thanks

[Arrowhead2k1]

21. np.

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[Skip Intro]

20. Obama supporters, is this guy indicative of you?

[Arrowhead2k1]

22. Last time I checked,

I had a mind OF MY OWN. I know, I know, hard concept for you to understand.

[Skip Intro]

23. on second thought

nevermind

[Arrowhead2k1]

26. I said I realized that. Trust me, I know where you're coming from.

[Asgaya Dihi]

24. You know better than that.

Just a while ago you posted a thread to say you were tired of the fighting. You don't want to be known by the Limbaugh crowd who we all know has been active here for Clinton as well, then don't pull this crap now. And not after the earlier post saying you were done with it.

[Skip Intro]

25. Look at what I was responding to.

[Asgaya Dihi]

27. I had, and if you check the rules

the proper reply is to report but not to state that you're doing such and not to turn it into an even better trolling opportunity than it already was. Don't feed the trolls. If you suspect one let the mods deal with it and move along.

[JI7]

28. no, i don't agree with anything that person has done

my advice to you is to just view some people as assholes. why waste your time on assholes. i learned this a while ago.you don't need to seriously debate everyone and anything.

[femmedem]

31. Emphatically no.

And not indicative of our candidate, either. When someone acts that way, please think back to how graciously Obama praised Clinton in his speech last night.

[leftynyc]

47. Exactly

Many of his supporters should be looking to the candidate for an example on how to act. He'd be embarassed at some of his supporters here. Sen Obama is all class.

[emilyg]

29. Real tough male.

[Occam Bandage]

49. I'm an Obama supporter. Thanks, though.

[Why Syzygy]

8. She is running as a spoiler from this point on.

Most rational people can call a power play when they see it. Most of us don't like it.

[cboy4]

10. Nice try Occam, but you're going to have a lot of trouble

convincing many of your people that it's time to focus on McCain.

They'd rather keep fighting with Hillary.

[Tatiana]

13. She is too big to be acting this small. She is a grown ass woman.

This sort of petulant behavior further proves that she is unfit for the highest office. She does not have the mental faculties or temperament to be President. I am glad this fact has been shown to the nation. Her speech will be talked about through the week. She is going to be a walking embarrassment to all of her supporters - especially her African-American supporters like Sheila Jackson-Lee and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. Forget about Obama for a moment; she owed it to these supporters to conduct herself in a conciliatory and respectful manner that would reassure the constituents of those supporters. Sheila Jackson-Lee could very well face a future battle in her district. Her supporters did not deserve that display of selfishness.

This whole she needs time, if we love on her enough, she'll get that she has a place in leadership still, blah blah blah... it's over. I'm ready to just move on and ignore her. If asked, Obama can continue to be conciliatory and gracious towards her, but as far as campaigning for him... I don't care at this point. Maxine Waters got the point. Hillary does not have 18 million voters. At this point she has maybe 6-8 million hard core fans at most. We are in the middle of a record voter registration drive. We can make that up nationwide; and we are really going to get a nice boost in the Southern states like North Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, and Virginia. We can make up the size of her hard-core base by bringing in new voters and new participants in the process.

I'd rather concentrate on that effort rather than continue to beg people who are unwilling to budge. They can have a nice life or maybe start a third party. Whatever.

[Raejeanowl]

30. I'd Like To Present A Request To The Mods

I'd also like to see zero tolerance for the troll-like behavior of that small percentage of Obama supporters whose chief stock in trade is annoying and embarrassing everyone right now. We all know who they are when we see them.

[Catherina]

68. Weird and yet not a word about the real trolls pretending to supprort HRC

Bizarre.

We all know who they are when we see them.

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[AtomicKitten]

33. Sure thing. As soon as she concedes.

[Rene]

34. Hillary gets my write-in for President. obama's such a fraud.-empty suit

how can a guy who says so little be where he is....because of complicent msm and kingmakers. I'll never vote for that empty suit. He can continue to read his speeches and look at teleprompters left and right....he says nothing I want to hear---does not represent my views, or have my respect--far from it..

[Warren Stupidity]

42. Please go to the McCain supporters forum.

[redqueen]

64. I love seeing responses like this

to "Ignored" posts.

[FlaGranny]

50. Wow, either you've not

heard or listened to a word he's said or you a right-wing conservative. Those are the only 2 possibilities with that kind of statement.

[smiley_glad_hands]

56. Bye.

[Catherina]

69. A happy goodbye to you. Here's something for your living room wall

Something for Operation Chaos people to remember these Primaries by.

[Higher Standard]

35. Give her a couple of days

She's been working for this for years. It's understandable that acknowledging that it is not going to be this time may be difficult for her. Let her take a couple of days to consider the events that have occured. Obama has already been declared the presumptive nominee by the media, by the presumptive Republican nominee, by members of his party, and we'll hear more and more peaple talking about him as such in the days and weeks to come. Given that, I don't think it's too much to give Sen. Clinton a little extra time to come to terms with that and the implications that has on where she goes from here.

[WeDidIt]

36. There's oly one thing that could keep Obama from tapping Clinton for Veep

Bill

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Sorry. but she's used up all of her breaks.

[BearSquirrel2]

38. Don't tempt us (nm)

[lastliberalintexas]

67. Yes, because violence is always the answer

Great response to a very classy OP. :eyes:

[workinclasszero]

40. Sure I'll give Hillary a break

Just as soon as she concedes defeat and gets 1000 percent behind the democratic nominee, Sen. Obama and demands the same from her cult followers!

Shes still living in a fantasy world where she hasn't lost. She is delusional and an embarrassment to the party.

Concede NOW Hillary, then we can talk.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. 2/5/2008: 4 months of 'working it out'.

Cleopatra, Queen of The Nile, has made an utter asp of herself.

[EFerrari]

45. Did you see that some Daily Show people went to her event

last night and chanted "four more months, four more months"? That's hilarious.

[HeraldSquare212]

51. Exactly, we've been told for months this is all just part of the grieving process.

As they say, take it offline and let the Dem party get on with things.

[Occam Bandage]

43. kick.

[Zavulon]

46. No.

When she has the decency to admit her IWR vote was a mistake, maybe I'll think of cutting her a small break.

When she admits that the only thing as disgusting as her RFK remark was her decision to hide behind Ted Kennedy's brain cancer in her pathetic spin attempt, maybe I'll think of cutting her a small break.

When she admits her Bosnian sniper fire lie was a pathetic attempt to make herself look more important than she really is, maybe I'll think of cutting her a small break.

Actually, I could drag this list out for quite a while, but there's no point - because come to think of it, I'm not going to cut her a break at all. She's a disgustingly selfish person who didn't even have the class to give Obama his due on an incredibly historic day.

She makes me sick, and I will not give her a break at all. :puke:

[gravity]

48. I agree 100% k&r

[KAZ]

52. Well said. K&R

[mtnsnake]

53. Nice sentiment, but realize that most people are here to hate the Clintons, not celebrate Obama

so your nice sentiments will be mostly falling upon deaf ears. The hatred for the Clintons on DU will never cease to amaze me and it will never cease, period.

[butterfly77]

62. Never...

[hokies4ever]

66. What if this one week was the difference between winning and losing in November?

Sorry, but Hillary's ego takes a backseat to winning back the White House.

[IsItJustMe]

70. Piss on Hillary and piss on the Pope, and I am Catholic, do you hear me?

[salguine]

71. I disagree that she's no longer a threat.

She's already trying to blackmail herself into the VP slot, for chrissakes! What the fuck is wrong with her!?

[chill_wind]

72. No Can Do! She has NOT been "defanged." She is trying to muscle Obama on the VP right now!

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