Hillary blew it BIG TIME!

[wndycty]

She is not a candidate anymore. She will never ever get the prime time opportunity to go out with class again.

The race is now Obama vs. McCain, not Obama or Clinton vs. McCain its OBAMA v. McCAIN!

Tonight the press is talking more about how she looks bad. Think about Hillary no one is paying attention to you anymore. You had an awesome opportunity and you blew it!

[BeyondGeography]

1. Toobin just referred to the "deranged narcissism of the Clintons" on CNN

they're getting panned big time.

[wndycty]

2. I don't think she realized she will not get the audience she had tonight. . .

. . .ever again. By the time the convention comes along it will be too late. She blew, blew it big time!

[krkaufman]

35. One would think that she's bound to have a speaking slot at the convention ...

... but I'm not sure I'd risk that, given her performance thus far. She'd probably take the opportunity to praise the Republican candidate.

[Cha]

39. I didn't see it nor will I but it sounds

like hilary has kept up her Divider Image to last breath.

[janetblond]

15. Hellary has N.P.D. - Narcissistic Personality Disorder

She's a SICK SICK gal.
Hello Hellary?
Get help!
Look in Yellow pages .. under PSYCHIATRISTS.
You're a mean sick selfish demented EGO-MANIAC!

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder"

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Signs and symptoms
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

[VolcanoJen]

16. But, that's what she wants, don't you see?

She's been building a "founding myth" for weeks now. From claiming she's a victim of sexism, from claiming that Obama's the one playing the "race card," from her crazy math, from deluding her supporters that the race is "close" by the only measure that has ever counted.

She wants the media to hit her hard after that speech so that she can continue to argue that everything is their fault, that they "fell in love" with Obama and that they "annointed" him. It's the only thing she has left and she's workin' it hard. Nothing is ever, ever, ever Hillary's fault in HillaryLand. The Iraq war vote? "Why, everyone thought Saddam had WMD and it's not my fault the evidence was faulty." The Bosnia story was blamed on "sleep deprivation." The hard-working white Americans was blamed on "well, I was just quoting the AP." The RFK thing? Why, that was Obama's fault for making a big deal out of it. His supporters are crazy!

It's disgusting, of course. It's petty and it's petulant and most importantly, nothing she says really has any basis in the truth. It's maddening and I don't know about the rest of you, but I've had enough of this crap the last eight years to last a lifetime. No More. Tonight was just the final straw for me, her graceless speech, an attempt to steal the headline from Obama's historic night, and even if she does concede in a few days it's only because she wants yet another news cycle to belong to her.

But she's building this mythical framework where her supporters can always look back and say "she wuz robbed!" and look at Obama as illegitimate. It's brazenly political, and it's long past time for those kinds of politics to remain in the past because they do not accomplish anything and they help nobody but Hillary.

[BeyondGeography]

25. Insightful

I think you're right. They want conflict and drama. Keeps her relevant. Exhausting for most everyone else, though.

[krkaufman]

36. Well said. I'm especially in sync regarding having had enough lies and distortion fed me ...

... over the last eight years to last a lifetime. Enough already.

[Cha]

38. "Deranged Narcissism of the clintons" and

hungry powermongers for the dlc that's slipping through their greedy fingers.

[Oleladylib]

3. Naw the Clintons are here to stay..get used to it!

[watrwefitinfor]

5. Hillary, is that you?

Oh, look! There's a thread over there you forgot to piss in.

[Raine]

17. they're irrelevent, so stay or go

they've lost their historical legacy except as a footnote.

[stillcool]

23. They can't afford to stick around...

with that 20 Million dollar debt, but where do they go? Scorched earth and all.

[GoneOffShore]

24. One would hope not.

They always have been and always will be all about themselves and what they feel they are "entitled" to.

With the resurrection of the "Clenis" on the campaign trail and Hillary's relentless efforts to split the party, it would be best if they fold their tents and retreat to a quiet law practice.

Unfortunately it's unlikely to happen.

They'll probably end up on some "reality" show - "Survivor - Politics on the Island".

[verges]

26. Chelsea in '16 n/t

[Blue-Jay]

29. Thanks for the insight, Harriet!

[Ikonoklast]

34. Seven days. And counting.

Go out big time, OK? I like it when they crash, flaming brightly.

[LoZoccolo]

4. Totally. She looked like she had some sort of personality disorder.

Like those people you know who just don't know that everyone else thinks there's something hugely wrong with them, but they think it's useless and/or counterproductive to even try to tell them.

[harrison]

18. My ex suffered, or rather I and my children, had to

suffer with the effects of my ex's narcissistic personality disorder. I knew nothing about it, but after countless trips to a wizened old counselor, he informed me the healing rate for someone with npd was very low. And that is because they don't think they do anything wrong. It is always the other person. People with NPD are highly manipulative and they have no real empathy for other people.

They have to boost themselves up in the public eye, usually at the expense of another person.

Hillary exhibited this pattern tonight.

If indeed she suffers from NPD, the Obama campaign would do well to keep her at a strong distance. You cannot deal with folks like that.

I am no Clinton hater; I have read a multitude of Hillary bashing posts through the months, but her performance tonight indicates something deeply amiss in this person. She could have bowed out gracefully and earned herself some plaudits.

Both David Gergen and Toobin indicated deep dismay. I think they know who this woman is and said so. As I posted elsewhere, I lived twenty years with someone like this.

You could have an intervention with someone like this and they would not accept the truth of fifteen mental health professionals sitting in a room with them.

This is no sour grapes since I have not been on the Obama train. Something is deeply, deeply amiss in the personality of Mrs. Clinton. I believe if some of her lukewarm supporters would stand back, and reflect they could see it. Rabid folks won't see a problem, but some who are circumspect just might.

[LSK]

6. add to that her shameful supporters performance on Saturday

[chascarrillo]

7. Clinton has squandered opportunity after opportunity in this campaign.

If she had taken just a couple of those - or simply just voted against the IWR, she would be the next President of the United States. Now, she's become something of a national afterthought.

It's sadly baffling.

[El presidente]

8. The press is talking bad about Hillary? (gasp!)

Imagine my shock.

[WeDidIt]

9. I think she blew her chances of being Veep

HAd she been gracious and acknowledged the incredible accomplishment of Obama, she'd be a shoe-in.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

11. Exactly, the more she plays hardball, the less chance she has to be VP. Courteous and gracious

was the call to make.

[faithfulcitizen]

14. Yep, me too.

[Tinksrival]

10. "yes, she can" is Obama's line, just selfish

[cui bono]

12. It's true. This was the night to bow out, he already had the needed number

before she spoke. She should have at least had two speeches ready. Just like she can't admit a mistake and apologize for it, she can't admit defeat.

[Abacus]

19. I don't think she needed to bow out

her supporters need a soft landing. She just needed to be conciliatory.

[The River]

13. She Couldn't Resist

being all about herself
again.

She couldn't lead a troop of Scouts
around the block.

[Douglas Carpenter]

20. narcissistic, shameless, classless, treacherous.............

Only a few hours ago I wrote a post urging people to understand that Hillary is really not so bad and perhaps she wouldn't be that bad of a V.P.nominee:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6251816&mesg_id=6251816

Her shameful behavior has left me completely speechless

[Cha]

40. Yes I remember that thread

and just shake my head at the Obama supporters who don't get what Obama is really about or for that matter..hilary The Divider.

[C_U_L8R]

21. Well at least it will be the last strategic blunder

(among many) of this campaign.
She wanted a footnote, she got it....
Hillary Clinton: Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

[Cha]

41. I guess I should be celebrating

hilary's last strategic blunder 'cause do not want the warhog on Obama's ticket.

[ramapo]

22. All about me

Obama's remarks about her were so gracious, he showed such class. She barely acknowledged him and then proceeded to try and diminish his victory. Then it was all Hillary...

I was going to give her the benefit of the doubt but she disappointed me once again.

I guess she's running for VP now.

[Cha]

42. If hilary's running for vp now then she has

a stupid way of showing it.

[breakaleg]

27. All the commenters tonight could say was she was pissing off Obama's campaign by trying to

force him into giving her the VP spot. So, is she that stupid? Or is the bigger thing to note how similar this tragic mistake was to her poorly run campaign?

[Cha]

43. Thank you for that nugget 'cause I didn't

see the commentary but this makes me very happy what you're reporting!

[BenDavid]

28. even in this so called win by obama hrc still controls the fate of

one bho. if obama wants to win in november he will go with hrc, and irregardless if he likes her are not he will. Now since you all say the clintons are about power then as of now she has the power and she knew exactly what she was doing giving that speech.... I support hrc and will until she decides to say, it's over or something like that.

I am waiting for the speech by obama to apologize to both clintons for the way he and his campaign and the whoremedia made both clintons out to be bigots and racist. The only way obama could ahve a chance to win this was to play the race card against hrc and then blame her. Sure it worked and the mediawhores are still repeating the same old song about Bill playing the race card....one question: Why would the clintons need to play the race card?

[Ned_Devine]

32. "irregardless"...not a real word

[jonestonesusa]

58. Obama and his campaign have nothing to apologize for.

It was an unwise political strategy for the Clintons and the media, for that matter, to focus so much attention on the "white working class," as they glibly put it. They didn't need to "play the race card," to use that tired phrase, in order to retain strong African American support, but in contested primaries in Southern states, Dixiecrat-type appeals are common, and it worked for Clinton in 1992 to preside over an execution and dis Sister Souljah, not to mention his moralistic speech later to black preachers about the legacy of Martin Luther King (can't say I was there with Bill Clinton on that one). They ought to have appealed honestly to black voters this time, many of whom were inclined to support them as they had in years past. But they chose a different path, and the rest is history.

The unstated corrolary to your point is that black voters are automatons and vote in unthinking racial solidarity due to the Obama campaign's "race baiting." Why not read about black voter preferences if you want to know why they supported Obama?

[RiverStone]

30. She has a narcissistic personality disorder...

I have tried so hard to give the benefit of the doubt to Hillary. But tonight, I've had it. Since she will "wait to make her decision" until she consults with party leaders...I wonder how she will respond to...

YOU LOST!!!!! ITS OVER!!!!!

Tell her party leaders!!! And make it quick - we need to move on to beating McBush.

[pdxmom]

31. Even CNN is really coming down on her about this speech. They are

saying that not only has she probably blown her chance at VP, she is rapidly angering the DNC and many of her supporters within the party itself.

The analysis of her speech is fascinating.

[Cha]

45. Yay! Thanks!

hilary IS her own worst enemies and we don't need any of those on our Obama TICKET! :bounce: :patriot: :kick: :party:

[Mme. Defarge]

33. To sin, in the Greek sense,

is to miss the mark. Tonight, Hillary missed the mark. History will not judge her kindly. She has shown herself to be a little person, a silly person. Thank God for this long primary season -- imagine if she truly had been "inevitable".

[Cha]

46. Well stated Mme Defarge

:toast:

[Mme. Defarge]

48. Merci mon ami!

:hug:

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

37. Cast aside like a leftover actress from Beverly Hills 90210

Our turn.

[mtnsnake]

44. Yet another classy thread by Obamawhiners who would rather bash Hillary than celebrate Obama

Study up on Obama and do something for him instead of wasting your energy by hating someone else. What a bunch of losers you are. Holy shit

[ecstatic]

47. But she's been making the same mistake throughout her campaign

Overplaying her hand--scheming, rather than being genuine and sincere. I would say she should have just been herself, but it's not clear to me who the real HRC really is.

[wvbygod]

49. Burned out on Obama so soon?

Can't resist attacking his opponent who was in a virtual tie for votes?

[emilyg]

51. They don't know how to celebrate.

Wonder what they'll talk about after Hillary is gone.

[emilyg]

50. And the point of this op is???

[truthisfreedom]

52. C'mon, people, let's revel in the good news and not focus on Hil's shattered dream.

I'm sure she was certain she could clinch it, and simply is having an extremely hard time dealing.

What's important is that we've got a spectacular candidate. SPECTACULAR!

[Robeson]

56. I agree. Great post....

...:thumbsup:

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[Beacool]

54. Asshole much??

:thumbsdown:

[MilesColtrane]

57. Feh...I've been called much worse.

Is that the best you've got?

[Beacool]

55. You people are way too funny.

Neither Hillary nor Bill are going anywhere. He's still a two time elected president, she's a former first lady, a senator and they both are some of the most famous Americans in the world.

Yep, they are here to stay.