I just wanted to get this out .I have no problem if Hillary is Obama's VP

[gabeana]

I am what, I perceive, a big time Obama supporter. Have donated a lot of money (well for me anyway) to his campaign, first time ever have done that. My goal and all of our goals should be focused on a November victory, and if it that means she helps achieve that as the V.P. then I'm for it. We can't forget the goal.

[gateley]

1. But I'm not convinced (far from it)

that she COULD help us win the GE.

[polichick]

4. I'm not convinced either...

That would change the "movement" aspect of the campaign and energize Republicans.

[elfin]

5. Same here - the Clinton

"baggage" and drama would be distractions from the main messages - heartily encouraged by the 527's, and MSM. The tabs would be filled with such nonsense as "Barack disses Hillary".

America is fatigued from fighting - both overseas and at home with toxic partisanship and "gotcha" journalism.

We need a rest - we need Hillary to be the best Senator ever - for New York and for all of us.

[gabeana]

9. I understand what you are saying

I'm just thinking that if the Obama campaign did pick her, they sure would analyze the pros and cons and not do it unless they were sure she could help deliver the win.

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[Parche]

2. Roger That

If I thought that Big Bird, or Thomas the tank engine on the ticket would help him win in November
I would be all for that

Hillary would be a strong VP

:woohoo:
:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

3. We could do WAY better, with less baggage.

[Oregone]

6. But it rewards this type of politics/campaigning...

And it motivates the next 2nd place runner to stay in it and smear.

[truebrit71]

7. No way can she be on the ticket. Too divisive for the party and too energizing for the rethuglicans.

...she had her shot and she blew it...

[ccharles000]

8. Hillary would be a great VP.

[enid602]

12. rot

We'll be lucky to have a great POTUS, great VP, great Sec of Def, great Atty Gen'l, etc; I just hope that all the talent Obama can assemble will be enough to deal with the rot in government he'll find on day one. Our petty differences might just melt away once we really have an idea what we'll be dealing with.

[enid602]

13. dupe

dupe

[rock]

10. I'm a Hillfan but I believe it's a bad fit

It would be nice of the Big O to offer it though. (I believe Hill also thinks it a bad idea, but that's just a guess).

[enid602]

14. offer/reject?

In that case, it would be wise for Obama to offer it to her in a public way, and it would be wise for her to humbly reject the offer, also in a public way. That would give a sense of closure to her supporters, and would hopefully unite the party.

[rock]

20. Exactly what I was thinking

One proviso: Obama would have to be sincere in the offer (people would smell a set up).

[movonne]

22. Would you trust her to do that?? I wouldn't .....

[enid602]

27. yes

Yes; she would either have to gracefully accept the offer, or humbly reject it . . . preferably in a public way. Her failure to do either would have dire political ramifications. There's no reason she wouldn't. I suspect she has great motivation to cheer on an Obama Administration; if Obama fucks up, she'll be too old to run by the time the pendulum swings back to the Dems. I think all of our petty squabbles will seem pretty distant and unimportant once Obama starts his presidency; God know what he and his administration will find.

[movonne]

11. I just wanted to get this out...I have a big problem if hillary is Obama's

vp...this would be very bad...

[gabeana]

16. fair enough n/t

[Cha]

26. Thanks, for getting it out, movonne..

Everytime there's one of these hilary for vp threads I feel compelled, myself, to jump on and inject some REALITY whereas hilary has shown us she has NONE.

[Colobo]

15. I say yes to Obama/Clinton!

[dems_rightnow]

17. I'm on board with Obama's choice

Whoever it is. Without regard to whether anyone on DU thinks it's a good choice or not.

[Tippy]

18. I think we are really close to the end of the primary campaign....

I want to thank all of Hillarys supporters..Will enjoy working with any or all of you....McCain held a fund raiser in Nashville TN today...and acording to early reports he had them fired up....He was talking about the War.....So lets taslk about that war...you know the one we were lie into.....

wow finally made it to 1,000 posts....

[peace13]

19. Bosnia! n/t

[screembloodymurder]

21. Neither do I

We lose a tough old bastard and gain a tough old bitch.

That's meant to be a compliment.

[RC]

23. I have a major problem. Hillary is a DINO.

She is way to far to the right. She thinks and acts like your common rightwingnut. You don't need to look past her campaign. Don't you think we've had enough of that for the last 25 plus years?

[Lilith Velkor]

29. Since she and Barack are practically twins when it comes to policy

what does that make him? Hmmmmm?

[RC]

30. Not really. Then there's the little matter as how they will administer that policy.

From what I've seen the last few mouths, Obama would do a much better job of it. He listens first, then acts. Hillary doesn't listen very well, just orders. Haven't we had enough arrogance these last 7+ years?

[Lilith Velkor]

39. Do you have experience working with both of them

or did you just pull that from your ass?

They. are. both.centrists. Deal with it.

[sandnsea]

40. Then why all the objection from Hillary supporters?

If they're twins when it comes to policy, why won't her supporters vote for him?

[Lilith Velkor]

46. If you were told again & again & again your vote was not needed or wanted

wouldn't you start to agree after a few months?

I certainly got the message.

[sandnsea]

47. No, women started threatening

to not vote for Obama. After a few months of hearing that, some people called your bluff. If you didn't understand that, then you clearly didn't get the message.

[Lilith Velkor]

53. Oh, no, I got it loud and clear.

It's your bluff that's been called. What's it to you if "women" don't vote for Obama? Aren't there enough others to ensure a landslide victory in November?

Are you willing to bet the fate of the planet on it?

[dflprincess]

45. Which is why many of us on the left have problems with both of them

For some of us an Obama/Clinton ticket is a nightmare. Eight years of Bush and this is what we get? It really has turned into an awful year.

Yes, yes, yes, I'm voting for the Democratic nominee. One can hope they will be marginally better than McCain, especially when it comes to judges, but don't expect much improvement in corporate ownership of the country or narrowing the gap between rich and poor.

[Lilith Velkor]

49. Yes, this is what we get

The fact that they are so alike in their corporatism is the reason this whole thing devolved into horseshit identity politics and gotcha nonsense in the first place. A Unity ticket would defuse a lot of the resentment from all that.

And they would do something about the war, not because it's the right thing to do but because we can't afford it. McCain would continue to run up the debt trying to "win."

[dflprincess]

59. I don't consider Obama/Clinton a unity ticket

Obama/ and an actual Democrat - from my perspective that would be a unity ticket.

[Lilith Velkor]

61. Are you suggesting Obama is not an actual Democrat?

That's kinda rude. I mean, I know he's a little to the right of Hillary policy-wise, but damn.

[dflprincess]

63. He and Clinton are both DINOs

their voting records match each other and, while he isn't actually a DLC member, he might as well be.

[AtomicKitten]

24. Hillary will not be VP. Not after the campaign she has run.

She drove up her own negatives exponentially in her quest to damage Barack and will be the lightening rod to bring out the particularly rabid GOP vote.

He has plenty of fine Democrats to choose from, people that would actually augment the ticket rather than VP given as a consolation prize to somebody who would drag the ticket down.

[wileedog]

37. We don't have plenty of fine Dems to choose from

who just had almost 18 million people vote for them.

I'm no Clinton fan, but the numbers are surreal. 36 million motivated, rabid Dems committed to the ticket BEFORE the GE campaigning even STARTS?

Tough to ignore, no matter the message.

[AtomicKitten]

57. How many hundreds of thousands of Operation Chaos votes do you think were cast?

Barack is bringing new people into the process, obscured Reps from other states as surrogates. He's got Biden and Richardson and Webb among a long and distinguished list of possible VPs to choose from. Possible VPs who are positive and uplifting.

[Cha]

25. Well, I do..a big problem.

hilary has proven herself a liar and a dissembler. We are tying to change Washington ..not bring one of the worst offending warhogs along with us.

You have as much faith in Obama and his team as pigs flying..but, there are millions of us who do have the faith.

[RoseMead]

28. I'd rather she weren't

but I'll vote for Obama, regardless.

[Zavulon]

31. I would have a huge problem with it.

The last thing we need is someone so polarizing on the ticket. It's not just Repugs who hate her - lots of Democrats do, too. I can't stand her.

I'm hoping Obama picks Ted Strickland.

[CatsDogsBabies]

32. I used to be really opposed to HRC as VP

but I could live with it now.

[Condem]

33. I'm absolutely with you, gabeana

Same as you with the support. I think some of the Obama folks have taken this deal a little too personal. She brings alot to the table. Good post.

[KaryninMiami]

34. I totally agree- we have to do whatever is necessary for November

even if it means a compromise for many of us, regarding the VP choice. Hillary may indeed be the right way for us to win in November- or maybe not, of course. But it might be the only way to inspire the ones threatening to not vote (or vote for McShame).

[BlueJac]

35. I disagree, what part of change does she represent?

Besides Bill, the idiot, over looking everything. Maybe he could be Secretary of trade treaties!

[sfam]

36. Everyone say it with me...Lets TRUST Obama to make the right decision...

He MUST know better than we do. If Obama picks Hillary, than GREAT!!! I'm all for it. Go Team!!!

If Obama picks Sebelius, or Webb, or Richardson, then GREAT!!!! I'm all for it. Go Team!!!

[Turn CO Blue]

38. More interested in who he picks AG, SOS and Defense sec

We should all be more interested in that. Those people will have the power to change the course of the war, our forein policy, and the state of the DOJ.I'm also very interested in who he puts in Labor, Interior, and Transportation.

I have no doubt that these will be very fine, qualified people.

VP is fine with me if she wants the position and if that is his choice.

[C_U_L8R]

41. Remember Lieberman

he totally undermined Gore.
We need a true team player.

[Condem]

42. What the fuck does that mean?

That Hillary will forsake the democratic party?

[C_U_L8R]

44. No. Not present day traitor Joe but 2000 malicious Joe

He undermined Gore as the VP running mate from hell.

[Condem]

48. And you think Hillary will undermine Obama?

[C_U_L8R]

50. Put it this way... I've yet to see any sign that

Hillary will support Obama as President in any manner.
That would be a pretty good start if she wants to be VP.

[Condem]

51. C

I'm hardcore Obama. I want a bulldog as Veep. No one besides Hillary has the credentials. Simple as that!

[C_U_L8R]

55. She's a bulldog alright.. but the bite goes in all directions

and she's still up to these kind of shenanigans...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Clinton_aides_rallying_donors_floating_convention_fight_August_and_no_earlier.html
I wish Hillary would give us reason to trust her but I just don't see it coming.
Fortunately, no one really votes for the VeePee : - )))

[Condem]

56. Your last comment says it all.

[DevonRex]

43. If Obama wants Hillary as his VP, I'm okay with that. He's strong

enough to overcome the negatives and she's strong enough to bring some positives.

[Pushed To The Left]

54. I would be okay with it too! Not my first choice, but they would be quite a team. n/t

[stevenleser]

58. Same here (n/t)

[B Calm]

60. it's better to have your enemy pissing out of the tent, rather than in.

But, that said I still hope he picks Edwards as his VP.

[susankh4]

62. Hillary should really think twice about accepting an offer like this.

She'll be balmed every time Barack messes up. And she will get none of the credit if things go well.

I'd say no. Hold out for 2012.

But, if she accepts, I will vote for her.