For the first time, I've started muting Barack Obama...

[polichick]

I'm not willing to listen to him go on and on about Clinton running an "outstanding race" anymore.

Anyone else feel that he sounds like any other bullshitting politician when he does this??

[leftofcool]

1. He should absolutley stop coddling her! LOL!

[K Gardner]

2. She has to be coddled. He has no choice but to do this.

[goclark]

39. He wants Change and this is

why he is so respected and loved.
He is not about smearing his rivals.

[K Gardner]

65. He has certainly been on the high road, looking down on the smear campaign run by

Hillary since last November. Even now, he praises her.

[BlooInBloo]

55. Yup - if all it costs Obama is some coddling, then I say coddle the WATB til the cows come home!

[PoliticalAmazon]

67. I think coddling just reinforces her stalkiness. n/t

[polichick]

135. Right - give an inch, she takes a mile every time!

[PoliticalAmazon]

141. She is very much like Bush Jr, including in this way. n/t

[MNDemNY]

3. Get over yourself, already.

He is just a "Bullshitting politician".

[insanity]

7. all politicans

are bullshit artists in my book.

[polichick]

63. Yeah, maybe he is - too bad.

[dems_rightnow]

4. Showing good sportsmanship in victory....

.... is disturbing to you?

[polichick]

6. imo he goes beyond good sportsmanship and into lies...

That's what I find disturbing.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

40. How is it a lie?

It's his opinion. You might not agree with him, but it certainly doesn't make him a liar.

[polichick]

46. So he admires her race-baiting and the way she floated the idea of assassination?

[rodeodance]

49. your post is sick

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

53. DU vs. Reality...

Please remember that what gets said on DU has only a slight resemblance to what happens in the real world. I daresay that Obama isn't nearly as worked up as some people around here may be.

[polichick]

62. Actually my Obama team members in the real world are sick of this too...

He's in danger of sounding like a big fake.

[PoliticalAmazon]

71. I agree with you. He is legitimatizing her Bush/Rove/bigot-pandering/...

assassination-as-a-campaign-strategy tactics.

She has not run a good campaign. She has squandered the millions donated to her by her supporters (many of whom, if we can believe anything Hillary says--which is debateabe--are "hard-working white Americans"). She has used tactics WORSE than what the GOP has used. She has used assassination of RFK as an excuse for her staying in the race. She has lied and pandered to bigots, resulting in bigots how proudly announcing to the world that they wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black.

Her campaign itself is about as organized and effective as a box of ferrets.

This is NOT a good campaign. A jr-high-school kid running for Jr Grand Wizard could run a better campaign than Hillary has run.

If Obama is saying that these tactics are "running a good campaign" then he has been lying about changing things in Washington D.C., and changing the tone of politics.

[polichick]

82. That's exactly what bothers me about it - thanks!

[PoliticalAmazon]

85. I still listen to his speeches, however, even if I don't agree with this strategy....

It takes a lot for a public figure to reach the "Yoko Ono" stage at which time my brain protects me from further trauma by triggering my hand to click "next channel" on the remote before I am even aware who was speaking on that channel. When I go back out of curiosity to see what it was that was so objectionable that my brain clicked into survival mode (like when you withdraw your hand from fire...you don't think it, your brain steps up to the plate and does it for you) and it was inevitably Yoko Ono.

Then some time in 2000, my brain's survival mode added Bush Jr to the visions I must not see.

About 3 months ago my brain added Hillary Clinton.

I don't think that I'm close yet to having to click by Obama. I always enjoy his speeches, except for the "Hillary's run a good campaign" bullshit, and I always feel better after listening to him, whereas I always felt much worse after listening to Yoko Ono, Bush Jr and now Hillary Clinton.

[tigereye]

98. no, I think he's trying to mend fences and looking ahead..

It seems, well, Presidential.


I did a bunch of work for Hillary here in Pa, and that's how it seems to me. :shrug:

[Vattel]

114. maybe he isn't stupid

enough to conclude that she was race-baiting and floating the idea of assassination.

[Peacetrain]

17. Interesting ,

Grace and acknowledgment of a hard fought campaign by a competitor being denigrated??

[BuyingThyme]

5. He IS just like any other bullshitting politician.

God bless America.

[NJmaverick]

8. Does he really have a choice. He needs to make every effort to reach out for Hillary's supporters

It's a political reality. I appreciate that Obama is able to put that reality ehead of his ego.

[knixphan]

20. exactly.

[babylonsister]

9. He just highlights the vast differences between the two; graciousness

vs. lack of.

[rodeodance]

23. stop lying. you look foolish and petty: Here is Hillary last night: --just as 'gracious' as Obama!!:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject she tried two remarks, louder the second time, gently admonishing the crowd
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6226370#6226791
6226791, she tried two remarks, louder the second time, gently admonishing the crowd
Posted by bigtree on Mon Jun-02-08 10:47 AM

. . . and she was shouted down both times, so she moved on with her address.


here's what she managed . . .


"I also want to recognize Senator Obama and his supporters. (crowd noise) Our two campaigns have turned out record numbers of new voters, determined to chart a new course for America. Now, this primary election has been hard fought because there is so much at stake and we must elect a Democratic president."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=7880




.............


"He just highlights the vast differences between the two; graciousness
Posted by babylonsister


vs. lack of/"

[babylonsister]

31. Bully for her. Yes, I heard her, and that was the first time in months

she's ever said anything approaching decency concerning Obama, so no, I'm not lying.
I suppose you applauded assassination suggestions as well. :eyes:

[Vattel]

119. now

it's "assassination suggestions." Vile smears like that are beneath contempt. But I suspect that you will never be able to see that.

[polichick]

36. All she did is "recognize" him - while he goes on and on about her...

...ad nauseum imo.

[bluestateguy]

He is saying what he has to say

In some ways he's right. I just wish that Hillary would have reserved her ruthlessness for the Republicans, and not a fellow Democrat.

[onehandle]

10. What should he do? Quote the venom from Democratic Underground?

Not if he wants to win this Fall.

DU does not resemble the real world and Obama is a better man than the people here. Thank God.

[polichick]

28. He could be gracious without actually lying imo.

[Imagevision]

11. In Life sometimes you use bullshit to deal with bullshit...capeesh?

[npincus]

12. it's tactical, so you should understand it.

He's not going to win with just his current primary season supporters. A lot of folks, especially older women, feel hurt and depressed (my mom is one of those)... he's just trying to be respectful.

[polichick]

15. That's what I keep telling myself - but I still can't listen to it.

[BigDDem]

61. He's not going to win with just his current primary season supporters.

Hat's off to you for realizing that, many have not.

[sfam]

13. Hillary's supporters have flat out demanded that he coddle them. He is complying...

He's keeping his eye on the ball - he wants to win in November. I think its great what he's doing.

[4_Legs_Good]

14. He's sounding like a smart politician to me

[polichick]

24. I guess I want to believe he's more than a smart politician - I want him to stay honest.

[C_U_L8R]

16. It will be over Wednesday

Obama is being more than polite...
too bad the Clintons can't muster up
a grain of self-respect or gratitude.

[polichick]

88. I'll try to stomach it 'til then. :)

[jenmito]

18. No. Sadly, it's a necessity unless you want to live under "President McCain." Hillary's

supporters unjustly feel they've been robbed and they need to continue to feel that the guy who "robbed" them ain't so bad afterall.

[knixphan]

27. yep. It's not O's fault that Hillsters are so reactionary.

This is the best lemonade he can make from them. Hopefully the angry Clintonfolk can get smelling salts before November.

[jenmito]

59. Exactly. And most people don't watch all his town halls and rallies like we do so they may be

hearing this for the first time.

[TexasObserver]

19. She's a brat, and she has to be talked in off the ledge.

Yes, it hurts to hear him say it, but it has to be said. She'll pout if he doesn't.

How do you handle children? That's how you have to handle Hillary.

[polichick]

22. But doesn't he make himself less credible by playing such games?

[TexasObserver]

79. What are his options? Say nothing? Say "good riddance, you lying schemer!"?

He's got to try to mend the party for November. That's part of his job as our nominee. He has to be the better man.

[polichick]

105. I would tweak the language a little - to acknowledge the historic significance...

...of Clinton's campaign, without calling it "outstanding" as if he's approving of her tactics.

[Orangepeel]

21. If you expected him to always do exactly what you want, you might as well be disappointed now

As he has said, he's a "practical-minded guy."

[tularetom]

25. If he isn't careful he'll begin to sound sarcastic

Praising her like that when he knows very well she has run a poorly planned race that was based on dividing the party.

It sounds insincere because you gotta know he knows the truth.

[polichick]

106. I agree, it does sound insincere.

[Benhurst]

26. Chicago politicians are known for

their gentle, touchie-feelie approach to political contests.

:rofl:

[boobooday]

29. I think he is going out of his way to be gracious

Because if he is anything but over the top, he is accused of being mean.

[genna]

137. I still think back to him saying "you're likeable enough Hillary". I thought that was great ONLY to

find out, HRC women felt like he was dismissing her.

I was like, not what I saw. It was like him saying, you go WOMAN! Pop your collar.

It would be wonderful if he had a crystal ball into Hillary reality and figured out what they think would be good BESIDES UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.

[Peacetrain]

30. This is what a president does

They keep moving forward... we have had 7 years of petulance and look where it got us.. Senator Obama is nothing less than grace under fire.. and I think some of Clinton supporters are unable to accept that.. and some are being played like a violin (had rush limbaugh on, and of my guess was that they were going to use those tapes from Saturday and bingo.. )..and others understand the politics..

[cbayer]

32. Hey, News Flash!! Obama does not hate Clinton!!

Yep, that's right. As badly as some people want him to share their hate, he just does not hate her. He truly respects her and the feeling is mutual.

How much of a supporter are you if you have stopped listening to him because he is saying positive things about his opponent?

[polichick]

44. The only "positive things" that I have a problem with are the ones that sound like lies.

[cbayer]

80. Consider that they sound like lies to you because they challenge your perspective.

Obama is going to say and do a lot of things you do not agree with. He may do some of these things for political expediency. He may do some of these things because he truly does not share your perspective.

In this case, I think it is the latter.

[polichick]

83. If he's saying her campaign was "outstanding" because she was the first woman, fine...

But if he's approving of her Rovian tactics, he's lost me.

[spoony]

118. well put n/t

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. Given both the delegate and popular vote totals, she did run an outstanding race

She didn't win, but she made an impressive run. I think Obama is being totally honest when he compliments here.

[depakid]

34. I'd like to mute him every time he talks about "universal healthcare"

I expect Republicans to equivocate and deceive, but I really don't like hearing Democrats do it.

[polichick]

41. Good point - I have a bit of trouble there too.

[depakid]

68. It's unnecessary- Obama has a far better plan than McCain

who would actually try to destroy what little Americans still have!

[Barrymores Ghost]

35. It's called showing class in victory. Find something worthwhile to get worked up over. n/t

[polichick]

38. I'm not the slightest bit worked up - just not willing to listen to that stuff.

[Doityourself]

43. Agreed. I dislike her, but come on people..

[NorthernSpy]

37. he HAS to humor her -- it's the LAW...

Or so we're told, repeatedly and at high volume.

[4themind]

42. Hard to argue with you, especially when it's not reciprocated but..

I just look at it like not telling your business "partner" to FUCK OFF if he makes you upset(although I admit it's not necessarily an either/or situation in that sense) . It may less about "being another politician" than "being another person".So at this level I'm willing to give that relatively less influence in my thinking (especially if it doesn't have any policy ramifications like making her V.P. which I think is unlikely) when compared to a lot of other things I agree with. No one's perfect but we all have different levels of imperfection that we can accept as individuals

[rodeodance]

48. you obviously did not listen to Hillary's speech last night or you would not say such a petty thing.

[BenDavid]

45. hell, i had obama on mute since 04. his speech at the

kerry convention was utter bs. Just those few minutes I heard him, I knew he was a 100% bullshit artist. Did not see him, only heard him but my opinion was formed and has been proven to be correct to this day.

I figured him out long ago and knew the only way he had a chance in this campaign was to make hillary and bill into bigots and racist. It worked with a willing whoremedia. The clintons did not need to place the race card. only obama and his campaign did and when they did they and this willing whoremedia placed the blame on the clintons.

voting for obama? the only way obama will win this election is to have a ticket that reads obama/clinton.

oh and you wanna know about this whoremedia I write about often....look at the comments hrc made about the election running into june and her comments about bobby kennedy. the whoremedia went apeshit over this, but when the tape appeared about a priest mocking hillary and knowing what hrc was thinking hardly got the exposure and the only reason it did was because fox news started airing it.....but the whoremedia still kissing obama's ass......

maybe wolf blitzer will write a book and entitle it....Inside Obama's Ass: An in-depth view. Up close and personal

[polichick]

52. Well, I'd have trouble spending one penny on a book Blitzer wrote...

...without his constant drum beat, that war might not have been possible ~ but that was the point, right?

[NatBurner]

148. wow

such anger

[wvbygod]

47. Because Hillary will be VP if she gets shut out of the nomination

Obama needs to be nice to his presumptive VP.

[niyad]

50. did you just figure out that he IS a politician? where have you been?

[polichick]

64. I just thought he wasn't a lying politician.

[niyad]

73. let's see, there was how he got on the ballot in IL in the first place,

and the fact that he promised he wouldn't run this cycle. and that's just for starters. oh, and the absurdity of his asking us to believe that he didn't have a clue what the good rev wright was preaching for TWENTY YEARS. any of that ring a bell?

this image people have of obama as some sort of above-it-all, pure of heart and mind, is an illusion, a carefully fostered one, but an illusion nonetheless.

[genna]

140. I have never believed he was a truthful politician either

I've supported him because I think he is better than Clinton and more sincere looking.

I didn't fall in love this primary. I don't agree with people who think we should fall in love during the primary and fall in line during the general election.

Instead, I think I should have a level of issues in mind that motivate me and pick the person most capable of pressing through what I agree with.


I think the fact that my background is similar to his, helps engender a certain amount of support, but the fact he was able to raise so much money from so many different types of people makes me feel like he could actually get his own agenda in place.


What bothers me is the more he praises her the less sincere looking he is. It is the Stephen Colbert test of truthiness.

I readily believe my sense of political lefty purity will violated a number of ways before this all said and done with.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. Better that, than offering her the Veep slot.

Just sayin'.

[polichick]

57. Well, that' sure true - if he does that I won't work for the campaign anymore.

[niyad]

74. how about the rumour that he is thinking of colin powell?

[polichick]

81. I've got my form ready for a party switch...

It might be that Indie is the only way to go ~ I'm waiting to see what he does with the nomination.

[nichomachus]

54. You're new at this aren't you

It's the way it's supposed to be done. Sorry if that upsets you.

[polichick]

60. 30+ year Dem activist here - I was hoping Obama was different.

[Peacetrain]

70. President Elect Obama

reaching out and acknowledging that Senator Clintons campaign was historic.. now there are those who have left the building so to speak, in their commitment to Hillary..it is irrational, but understandable, if you really feel that this will be the LAST time a woman will have a shot at the highest office in the nation.. but the soon to be President Obama has to reach out and help bring the party together..

Most supporters of Senator Clinton, support her rationally.. they will not march out of here as I have read in mass, because things did not work out.. they see the bigger picture.. but you always have a few.. and our President Elect is not trying not to sugar coat that group..there is not enough water in this world to throw on those passionate fires..but President Elect Obama is reaching out to all other supporters of Senator Clinton.. acknowledging the hard work they have put in.. what it has meant to them..

[polichick]

77. Well said - I just wish it didn't sound like he approves of the way she campaigned.

[Peacetrain]

138. I know what you mean...

:).. sometimes I think looking around..and having lurked here for years.. it is the other posters and not the candidate that gets under peoples' skin..My hand to GOD, I have actually read in here and other sites, that people are not voting for this candidate or the other because of their supporters??? It kind of takes your breath away to read something like that and know people are working from a emotional place instead of a rational place.. I love Obama, but heh.. I am looking for who can get my political point of view further down the road.. and if it had been Edwards, or Biden.. or even Clinton.. would have worked for me.. but I do love the sound that makes.. President Obama..

[sufrommich]

56. I don't think he's bullshitting at all.

It's called thinking and behaving as an adult.The world outside of DU is filled with people who don't see a brutal,cartoonish enemy behind anyone who disagrees with their choice in this primary.

[RiverStone]

58. Well, he still is a politician

Better to err on the side of trying to unite vs trying to divide.

Lets just get on with beating McSame!

[Buzz Clik]

66. Looking for comfort in group think? I'll mute this thread...

[Beacool]

69. I've been muting him as much as I mute Bush for quite some time now.

:shrug:

[Diogenes2]

76. Let's see... instead of watching something else...

or reading a book, you sit there and WATCH Obama with the sound turned off? Crazy world, ain't it?

[Beacool]

84. No, but if the news cuts to him giving a speech somewhere,

I mute it until they go to something else.

[paulk]

72. I've always felt that he sounded like just another bullshitting

politician.

Because that's what he is.

That's what they all are.

[Beacool]

86. You didn't buy the hope, unity and change meme???

How could you???

:rofl:

[paulk]

103. every four years someone tries to sell me that one

it didn't work last time, either...

[Beacool]

110. Oh yeah, Bush. That worked sooooo well......... n/t

[Fox Mulder]

75. Yeah, it's a bunch of crap.

I don't like how he keeps coddling her. :puke:

[BigDDem]

78. Sweetie, you should have muted him a long time ago.

[Diogenes2]

93. Man... some of you are getting a real charge

out of this "Mute Obama" schtick today. Curiously, all of you are either HRC supporters, or simply believe all politicians are liars and crooks. No hard evidence required, only a hint, a suggestion, the merest suspicion that anything Obama does may be interpretable in some negative way-- perhaps a mere gesture, or even the way he looks at the camera, or phrases a comment-- and immediately Obama is already convicted of heinous crimes against humanity, honesty, justice and equality. He is a phoney, a two-face, a sexist, a this, a that... Admit it, you just don't fuckin' KNOW who he is, you haven't a clue, you couldn't UNDERSTAND a real clue if you were handed one-- so you just continue with your paranoia and hatred and slurs against a "poltician" who has a remarkably clean record for someone in that category, a remarkably intelligent, progressive set of political ambitions, and a clear, nuanced way of expressing himself. If all politicians are worthless liars, if all politics is a sham... why are you here? Why are you even bothering to express yourself here on this board? Cynicism, much? I know you've almost certainly been hurt by evil-minded, deceptive politicians in the past, but to focus all your bitterness and doubts about any and all politicians on Senator Obama? That's quite an emtional burden for any mere human being to carry, don't you think? Give it a rest...

[genna]

144. I am an Obama supporter, but I had to laugh when Hillary did that celestial choir

bit and they asked him about it at the debate. He says it sounds good to him.

She was funny.

He was funny too.


Look you might know who he is as an unblemished man.

Not me. I don't know his immortal good works and where he has spent his time in the last 46 years.


All I know is the projections, period. I can both be cynical + sarcastic + believe my social enviornoment need not always be like it is right now. I think I'd be lying if I said, I was not influenced by this hope pedaling.

Clinton was my first and second presidential vote.

I enjoyed Dean immensely because he too could change Washington politics.

I though Bush was a fool, but I hoped he would be an oxymoronic good Northeastern Republican like his Daddy and lead us to a good end. I never thought he'd do the damage he's done in the last 8 (I am giving him 1/2 year) years.


I hope all the time.

I also accept reality, people ain't perfect. The reason I can accept BHO's hope is that Michelle is all the reality I need.

[my3boyz]

87. I agree! I'm also sick of him saying what a wonderful person John

McCain is. We know he is a war hero! I respect him for that too but move on and talk about TODAY! Talk about the type of person he is today and the type of things he would do if elected today.

[polichick]

89. Yep, those McCain lines are also too much!

[niyad]

96. when he praised ronnie ray-gun and proclaimed that it was the repukes who were

the party of ideas, that was about it for me.

[polichick]

97. That rubbed me the wrong way for sure!

[greguganus]

90. He has to build her up so he can tell her she will not be in his cabinet. n/t

[Turn CO Blue]

91. As an Obama supporter, I totally commend Sen Clinton on her

OUTSTANDING race. It just wasn't good enough. As a matter of fact, her "top people" proved themselves pretty incompetent.

And the truth be told, (flame away), if Al Gore and that horrible Lieberman, had held on with even half the tenacity that Hillary has, they'd be completing their second terms now and the world would be a better place.

That said, I do love Al Gore, and think he's found his true calling, since campaigning was not it.

I also take exception to the idea of muting your candidate because you don't like his statesmanship. That's some non-progressive grudge-holding you have going on, and you're displacing your anger.

[polichick]

99. Just wish he'd tweak his language so that it doesn't sound like he approves...

...of the Rovian tactics she's used. Her campaign might be "historic" or "groundbreaking" but "outstanding" doesn't work for me.

p.s. There's no anger on my part ~ just don't want to hear those bullshit lines anymore.

[Turn CO Blue]

136. Obama is a very measured person. He does not react

like we think he will or will sometimes think he should. He's an introvert in an extrovert's role.

He seems to have a much higher boiling point than most of us.

[Xenotime]

92. muting him is a great idea. Too bad my TV shows closed caption when I do it.

[AtomicKitten]

94. Hey, look at the bright side. His graciousness is annoying ClintonCo.

I actually heard a surrogate complain that they thought his graciousness toward Hillary was condescending and pissed them off.

That's what I call a silver lining to that mess. ;)

[polichick]

95. LOL - hadn't thought of that!

[WilliamPitt]

100. Muting a politician...for not hating enough.

Wheeee! Liberals make sense! No, really!

:crazy:

[KoKo]

101. BINGO! Thanks for posting that....

...

[polichick]

102. Get out of here - it has nothing to do with hatred...

It has to do with Obama seeming to approve of a campaign chock full of Rovian nastiness.

Posters who constantly make claims of hatred really miss the boat!

[barack the house]

104. Let's face it he is wiser to have all on side than make enemies in his party.

Hillary will be in his congress and far wiser to have her has friend than foe. It is what has made him more electable.

[zulchzulu]

107. He has to do this for another day or two

It's part of getting the primary season over with.

[Tarheel_Dem]

108. polichick, judging from your sig line, I assumed you were an Obama supporter.

Why would you start this type of thread, which you had to know would invite the kind of ungracious responses posted by the more rabid HRC supporters? Is this something that really needed saying? Of course, he's a politician, and apparently a damn good one. But, if you can't see that he is trying to move us beyond the nastiness of the primary battle, and on to the GE, I think it says quite a bit more about you than Sen. Obama.

At some point, we have to heal. We have an election to win.

:edited for spelling

[polichick]

121. I've been working my butt off on the ground for a change candidate...

...someone who would never approve of the Rovian tactics Clinton has used ~ imo he can graciously acknowledge the historic significance of her campaign without implying approval.

There are a lot of us on the ground who do a whole lot more than post on a message board ~ if he wants us to keep working that hard for the general, he needs to be clear about NOT approving of Rovian tactics.

That's why I started this thread ~ of course I also contacted the campaign directly suggesting they tweak the words a little.

[Tarheel_Dem]

124. Thanks for all your hard work, but I just hate to see a thread like this

instigated by an Obama "supporter", used to denigrate him by the Obama "haters". I knew they would jump in, feet first, to declare him just another politician, and I see I was right.

[polichick]

129. Well, he's going to lose a lot of volunteers if he keeps this up...

I would tell it to Barack in person ~ and he'd appreciate it because he NEEDS his ground people to believe what he's saying.

[blm]

109. Yes - but Clintons give him no choice but to repeat this as he gives them room to bow out

with some measure of grace and goodwill repeatedly.

[uponit7771]

111. unnn, it doesn't sound like lack of character vs. the best choice.

[Tatiana]

112. Why? 'D he praise Clinton or something? n/t

[MilesColtrane]

113. It's called playing to win.

He's trying to get Hillary supporters on board which is fine by me.

I want November to be a fucking landslide for the Democratic party.

[rucky]

115. Her base is begging to be pandered to!

[polichick]

134. I know - but I don't think it's a good move if he wants to keep his volunteers.

[Mezzo]

116. You ARE what's wrong with the Democratic Party.

[polichick]

122. Well, I've worked thousands of hours for Obama on the ground...

What have you done, other than mouth off on a message board???

[TwilightGardener]

117. What a bizarre post. What's he supposed to say about the race, "I kicked the old hag's ass?"

[polichick]

123. Gosh, you guys don't read many posts do you...

As I've said about ten times, he should acknowledge the historic significance of her campaign without seeming to approve of her Rovian tactics ~ just a few tweaks.

[TwilightGardener]

130. His wider audience, aside from DU, wants to hear nothing but praise and graciousness.

A lot of people, especially Hillary supporters, don't feel she used "Rovian tactics", don't read DU, and don't want to hear about how Obama disapproves of her or her campaign--he is very generous in his praise of her because that's what ALL politicians do, whether they're on the winning or losing side, because there MUST be healing and unity in the party. And he may actually genuinely feel what he is saying, by the way--I do believe he has a lot of respect for her. If he gave carefully middling, half-hearted praise and honors and tipped people off to a grudge or other negative feelings about the race, he will have no chance of winning over her nutso base.

[polichick]

133. I'm talking as a volunteer - DU isn't important as far as getting the job done...

Volunteers are what makes it happen ~ and he needs to be careful in his praise if he wants them/us to keep working the way they/we have been.

[TwilightGardener]

142. "Careful in his praise", so that volunteers don't leave in disgust at his

kindness and willingness to bury the hatchet and move forward? Sorry, you're a little "off". He's got enough to worry about, without worrying that he's upsetting his supporters with kind words to Hillary Clinton. That's just crazy--what, should he vet his speeches and remarks with you first, to avoid the more effusive language and keep it just barely civil to your satisfaction? I've never heard anything so stupid, from a supposed supporter. You really need to go do something else for a while--maybe the campaign is taking its toll on you.

[polichick]

145. LOL - you seem very confused...

It's simple ~ he needs to be clear about WHAT EXACTLY he's praising.

[TwilightGardener]

147. Um, no, I'm not confused. I just can't conceive of anyone getting

so annoyed over what is a standard campaign practice of graciousness and praise after a hard-fought contest.

[polichick]

150. You need to read more carefully...

I don't have trouble with graciousness or praising, it's calling her campaign "outstanding" that either sounds like a lie or an approval of nasty tactics.

In any case, as I posted below, I just spoke with a campaign contact who was very glad I'd called.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

120. Bullshit + politicians = Water + wet

It's in their genes for survival purposes.

[polichick]

125. Wish it weren't so! :)

[Vattel]

126. Don't assume

that Obama is as loony as many of his supporters are.

[polichick]

131. I've met him - he's not loony at all. Neither are his volunteers.

[rug]

127. Put him on Ignore.

Then alert the mods.

[VotesForWomen]

128. i shut him off a long time ago, that's for sure.

[Barrymores Ghost]

151. Bitter, much? n/t

[genna]

132. Yes, I have been muting that b.s. for a while. She rips him a new arsehole daily

and the next reel, you see him talking about an elegant lady she is.

They talk about HRC world reality, but he seems to be operating in Obamaverse were no one sees what he's been talking about.

She has run a lousy ass campaign. Putting lipstick on that campaign pig is just painful.

Hey, Obama the campaign is still a pig.

You can kiss HRC's arse all day and all night AND THE REALLY ANGRY HRC supporters will not stop calling you an "inadequate black man".


Move on to the GE issues and stop playing footsies with HRC. McCain needs some serious flaming.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I liked the campaign McCain ran in 2000 and wanted to vote for him in the Republican primary. Instead by the time I got a chance to vote Bush was in and I didn't get my chance to be bipartisan.

Seriously?

[polichick]

139. GOOD NEWS: I was able to speak with a campaign contact...

Who was very glad to know that some supporters and volunteers might be hearing those "outstanding" lines as approval of tactics. SO THERE! :P

[Colobo]

143. He has to do it.

[Radical Activist]

146. I want him to take back calling her nice in New Hampshire.

She isn't nice enough by a long shot.

[polichick]

149. Ha! Wonder if he knew back then how "not nice" she is.

[IsItJustMe]

152. I support Obama, but that does not mean that I don't know bull shit when I hear it. Edwards speech

also made my stomach turn once or twice. I guess they just have to do it. If it were me, well, not even gonna go there.

On edit: I hate fake outrage and I very much dislike fake flattery. But I can forgive the latter.

[Kahuna]

153. I hear ya. I don't want to hear that either. nt

[dogday]

154. Yes, I don't want him uniting the party... What is he thinking?

:sarcasm: