NYT today prints Hillary's latest lie-unquestioned-and quite likely her biggest lie to date

[kpete]

"Dear Electoral College, I know I lost to John McCain by over 100 electoral votes, but if you only count the electoral votes in the following 12 states, I really won!" - Love, Hillary

Monday, June 02, 2008
Hillary's latest lie: I've won more states than Obama... if you don't count 38 of the 50 states
John Aravosis (DC) · 6/02/2008 10:49:00 ·

The NYT today prints Hillary's latest lie, unquestioned. This one is quite likely her biggest lie to date:

“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”

Put aside for a moment the "more votes" argument, where Hillary doesn't count 15 states (so she's won more votes in 35 states - uh, thats nice.) Hillary is now claiming that she's won more states than Obama. Uh, no. Not by a mile.

Obama: 33 states won

Clinton: 19 states won

(Note: some states have primaries and caucuses so the total is more than 50.)

Now, what Hillary is probably REALLY claiming is that she has won more states SINCE FEBRUARY 20. Uh, maybe. And so what? How do you magically choose February 20th as the day after which primaries and caucuses count, but any that happened before that date don't count? How - because only after February 19 does Hillary win more states. Now how many states do you think Hillary has thrown out of her calculations because their primaries and caucuses happened before? 38 states. That's 76% of the states not counted. Yes, Hillary's argument is that if you throw out the results in 38 of the 50 states, then she wins more states than Obama. Here are the 38 states that Hillary now says don't count:

Iowa caucuses
New Hampshire primary
Michigan primary
Nevada caucuses
South Carolina primary
Florida primary
Alabama primary
Alaska caucuses
Arizona primary
Arkansas primary
California primary
Colorado caucuses
Connecticut primary
Delaware primary
Georgia primary
Idaho caucuses
Illinois primary
Kansas caucuses
Massachusetts primary
Minnesota caucuses
Missouri primary
New Jersey primary
New Mexico primary
New York primary
North Dakota caucuses
Oklahoma primary
Tennessee primary
Utah primary
Louisiana primary
Nebraska caucuses
Washington caucuses
Maine caucuses
D.C. primary (not a state, bit whatever)
Maryland primary
Virginia primary
Hawaii caucuses
Wisconsin primary
Ohio primary

So, under Hillary's absurd math you only count the last 24% of the game, and ignore the first 76%. Good luck with that math in November. "Dear Electoral College, I know I lost to John McCain by over 100 electoral votes, but if you only count the electoral votes in the following 12 states, I really won!" - Love, Hillary

http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/hillarys-latest-lie-ive-won-more-states.html

[4themind]

1. In fairness...

she may be implying that she's one more states SINCE Feb. 20th which I believe she has(I don't know in which order her first quote was in relation to her second in her actual speech). However I do think that the nytimes could help alleviate ambiguity in her statement by mentioning total sates and aslo states won since Feb. 20th (and that's not a jab at the OP since you simply restated his original post and title here)

[Hola]

4. How about this

Tomorrow Obama will claim that he has won more states since June 2nd. That'll be true too!

[4themind]

8. Haha!

I like that much better than her phrasing! Obama(and many in the reality based community) has vastly reduced his focus on the primary campaign against Hillary since Indiana/NC anyway

[roguevalley]

12. she refuses to include my state. she has thrown the caucuses out

forever it seems. count them all BUT US. what a uniter.

[K Gardner]

2. This is one of the TPMs she and her surrogates have been trying to use, and usually

getting away with claiming victory "since Feb 20". Its beyond the pale that our own DNC hasn't stopped her malicious spin.

[TahitiNut]

3. She scored more runs in the last three innings. Too bad she lost the game. Tough shit.

:shrug:

[Coexist]

5. and she had more rushing yards...

[Inuca]

6. Is Rove an independent analyst? n/t

[Lucky 13]

7. She's spinning herself into the ground.

I hope tomorrow ends this.

[L0oniX]

9. Lie enough times and you will believe your own lies. n/t

[NatBurner]

10. spinning wheel

What goes up
Must come down
Spinning wheel
Got to go around
Talkin' 'bout your troubles
It's a cryin' sin
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel spin

You got no money
You got no home
Spinning wheel
All alone
Talkin' 'bout your troubles and you
You never learn
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel turn

Did you find
Your directing sign
On the straight and narrow highway

Would you mind a reflecting sign
Just let it shine
Within your mind
And show you, the colors
That are real

Someone's waiting
Just for you
Spinning wheel
Spinning true
Drop all your troubles by the riverside
Ride a painted pony
Let the spinning wheel fly

[doublethink]

11. I think it should be given to the Candidate with the longest win streak ......

And I believe that would be 11 by Obama.