Mr. Spock explains why no explosive Michelle video exists

[scheming daemons]

"It's not logical"


- Such tape would have been worth tens of millions to Hillary's campaign. Her campaign would have stopped at nothing to obtain it.

- Every service at TUCC is videotaped and sold. There would be no way for just one copy to exist. They are digital recordings that could have been purchased by anyone. If such a video exists, it would be available to multiple sources and no single source would be able to "hold it".


"Vulcans never bluff."

- But Republicans do. Remember the massive circulating "Obama is a muslim" emails? This is the same thing. Spread a rumor to enough people on the internet, and it doesn't matter if it is true. We all saw how uneducated appalachians (and others too) will believe anything they hear or read - 13% in KY exit polls believe Obama is a muslim. This after 2 months straight of stories about his Christian pastor.

People are stupid. Uneducated people are even more stupid. Uneducated people with access to the internet can be made to believe anything.


"Without followers, evil cannot spread."

- Rabid Freepers and HillaryIs44 folks (the same thing, really) are not interested in the truth. They are interested in winning, and they don't care what lies they have to tell to do it. They've spread enough stories in the past few months about Michelle Obama so that the "bitter uneducated" will believe that she could have said these things.

That's all it takes. No tape exists. No tape NEEDS to exist. All that is needed is an army of "evil" keyboard jockies willing to spread the rumor.


"Live long and prosper!"

- The good news is that we have the truth on our side. If anyone sends you an email "hinting" at said video, tell them you won't believe it until you see it. If anyone posts a thread "hinting" at it.... make them prove it.



The video doesn't exist. If it did, Obama would not have made it far enough to be the nominee. There is no way that only ONE copy of said video could exist, since every TUCC service is videotaped and offered for sale.


This is the next phase of the smear campaign.

Phase one was "he's a muslim". He's beaten that down to the point that only mouth-breathers still believe it (albeit, there are a lot of mouth-breathers in this country).

Phase two was "well, ok, he's a Christian. But he's a RADICAL Christian who hates America." That's been beat down.

Phase three was "well, ok, he's not radical. But his wife is." With our help, he'll beat that down as well.

[Swamp Rat]

1. zzzzzzt!

[dchill]

20. No kill I! No kill I!

;)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

2. It's such BS. 1st, Michelle is NOT RACIST.

2nd, if she had said something bad.. it would have come out before January.


These are pathetic lies.

[mcg]

28. If she were a racist, why would she marry someone who's half-white?

She would have to half-hate her husband.

[Abacus]

3. Exactly my take as well.

No sale.

[avenger64]

4. Some guy on FOX news said it's out there ....

.... I hope it isn't. But if it is, that will be a serious blow to his campaign. Michelle Obama needs to stop discussing politics in public.

[scheming daemons]

5. Can you read? It is not POSSIBLE for only "one" copy of said video to exist....

Therefore, there is no way that we wouldn't have seen it by now.


Use the brain god gave ya, for chrissakes.

[avenger64]

15. Well, the dope on it is that ....

... Karl Rove has a copy, the Clintons don't, people have seen it, and they're waiting until after Obama secures the nomination to release it - an 'October Surprise'.

Here's a couple links:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/01/michelle-obama-whitey-tape/

This guy is supposedly (and mysteriously) giving out some information about it tomorrow:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/breaking-news-michelle%e2%80%99s-whitey-problem-thread-2/

It's not clear whether Larry Johnson has the video or not. We all better hope he doesn't - because that will be the biggest explosion since 9/11.

[ErinBerin84]

19. "because that will be the biggest explosion since 9/11"

tasteful comment there...

[scheming daemons]

22. Um..... again... you seem to lack the ability to think logically....

1. It is not possible for only ONE copy of a TUCC service to exist.

2. Larry Johnson wants very badly for Hillary to be the nominee. If such a video existed, he would've released it by now.

3. Karl Rove wants very badly for Hillary to be the Dem nominee. If such a video existed, he would've release it by now.


Use your brain. Please. Don't be a mouth-breather.


no such video exists.


I bet you bought the "Obama is a muslim" rumors too.

[avenger64]

36. No, I don't think you're exactly firing on all cylinders there ...

... 1. Of course, there would be more than one copy.
2. Larry Johnson, if he has the tape, and let's pray that he doesn't, may have just seen it, or just obtained a copy and doesn't know how to release it yet. He claims we're going to find out tomorrow - which is not today, btw.
3. Karl Rove does not want Hillary to be the nominee - his most recent electoral maps show Hillary whipping McCain, and Obama losing.

Your use of 'would've' is not exactly what I would call a high exercise in logic - you're using your own speculation as if it were some truth etched in stone.

We should really stop talking about this - I won't comment on it any further.

[FVZA_Colonel]

64. "doesn't know how to release it yet"

It seems that in the age of Youtube that would be a simple thing to do.

[avenger64]

I imagine they'd edit it ...

... to tie it into a theme. Some music, some drama - people get paid for this type of s***, you know?

[FVZA_Colonel]

68. Oh I do, I understand.

But given the availability of those services in this day and age (he'd have the content portion in five minutes, I bet), it's still difficult to imagine it would have taken him this long to get it onto the web. And that goes back to the question of why the hell he would wait this long, considering the ammunition it would have provided at the hearings yesterday.

[anigbrowl]

69. So? I AM an editor, it's not that difficult that you can't find someone to do it for $500.

In fact it's not that hard to find someone that would do it for free given the political context and likely exposure.

[avenger64]

74. Man, you're not the brightest bulb on the string ...

... go look at the links. I'm not the only one who posted them. He may have just gotten hold of them. He may have just seen them. God only knows what his motives are. The damn tape may or may not exist. Let's hope it doesn't.

[anigbrowl]

66. ROFLOL - 'Larry Johnson...doesn't know how to release it yet'?

Are you serious? All you need to do to release it is put out a press release (which costs only a few hundred bucks) saying you have the tape and including your phone number. Then you wait for the phone to ring and the big money offers to start flowing.

As for the idea that we should take Karl Rove at face value...

Really, do you believe this nonsense you post? I'm not one to hurl insults, but you're making a huge fool out of yourself.

[avenger64]

72. The proof's in the pudding, right?

I know from your own posts you're not a firm adherent of logic (of any type), but maybe you can grasp this - it's not a matter of speculation. It either exists or not.

That was my point - and I wouldn't be calling anyone 'fool' if you can't understand that.

[anigbrowl]

107. Ah, you just get funnier and funnier.

Of course it's a matter of speculation. Logically, it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist. Sure, you can say that nobody's ever seen it, but that's not proof. Try constructing a proof that fire-breathing dragons don't exist, for example. I can start a rumor saying I have footage of Bill in the sack with a coed and people will speculate on its contents, regardless of whether or not it exists.

But the funniest part is having you wag your finger at me about logic.

[NashVegas]

41. What Is Possible

Is for one copy to exist in distribution. If the thing exists, obviously Trinity has a copy, but it may have been taken offline.

IF the thing exists, though, it's ridiculous to believe Rove doesn't have a back-up somewhere.

IF the thing exists, I disbelieve the RW wants to go against HC.

Because IF the thing exists, the Obama campaign is going to fold.

Not because Michelle's a racist (which I doubt, anyway) but because IF this tape exists, it's a clear demonstration that Barack Obama had colossally bad judgment in not leaving Trinity years ago.

When your campaign is based upon the claim you have superior judgment to make up for your lack of legislative leadership, and it's demonstrated you're part of a church where people behave like this on the pulpit, and instead of defending that church, you run away from it ... judgment doesn't get much worse than that.

[scheming daemons]

46. Um.... you proved my point

You want to believe that ONLY Rove has a copy? Of ALL people? Come on.


He managed to get one from TUCC, but NOBODY else? Come on.


You would have us believe that TUCC would take THAT one offline, but would've left all the Rev Wright greatest hits there? Come on.


Hillary and Bill are worth $100 million. They would've given half their fortune for such a tape to be put on Youtube and circulated to the media.


It fails the logic test.


Accam's Razor, pal. If it existed, it would exist. i.e. We'd all have youtube links to it.

[roguevalley]

48. consider this: Why wait until "October" to release it when the SD's

and the nomination are going to be cemented down in about three days? If it existed, it would be out by now.

This explains two things to me:

1. why she is staying in and expects something to 'happen'.

2. a couple of hillbots on the list saying things like: You can't be the nominee if you don't make it to the convention'. I believe they are expecting something dire to happen but it could be this rumor has their panties in a bunch.

[Abacus]

55. The last time I saw this sort of disturbed anticipation

on behalf of Hillary supporters, two failed lie detector tests followed.

[Peacetrain]

62. You are hoping

there is a video out that shows what??? that one of our democratic candidates can be smeared???

[bigbrother05]

85. Dope is the operative word. You have to be one, smoking some to believe this crap.

[ErinBerin84]

6. The fact someone on Fox news mentioned it makes me believe that it doesn't

exist even more.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Bingo!

[mkultra]

12. what category do you belong in?

[avenger64]

16. Lifelong democrat - read carefully ...

.... I hope this rumor is not true.

[scheming daemons]

25. No.. you read carefully.... to even 1% believe that it could be true makes YOU part of the problem

Because you are not using your logical capabilities, if you have any.

[avenger64]

40. Well, maybe the other 99 percent ...

... have some type of persecution complex, perhaps from believing in some political messiah that can do no wrong.

[DJ13]

34. "Lifelong democrat"

......and a Hillary supporter by chance?

[scheming daemons]

38. Anybody who feels the need to say they're a "lifelong democrat" is lying....

[DJ13]

44. Bingo!

[NYC_SKP]

70. And includes links to noquarter and Rove maps and

writes, "perhaps from believing in some political messiah that can do no wrong", has revealed him/her self to not be a true democrat, and I'm not sure is even a Clinton supporter IMO.

[CaptJasHook]

77. Back off, dude. This guy is no enemy, why be so hostile?

All of you are just conjecturing about Schroedinger's cat.

Anything before facts is merely opinion.

[avenger64]

47. Yeah, ok - kill the messenger ...

... go on a witch hunt, whatever. You Obama people are the most paranoid people I have ever (not quite) seen.

Look, he needs a strategy for dealing with this if it comes out - it doesn't have to be a campaign-ender if he handles it correctly. And there's a chance it could actually be made to backfire on the GOP.

[scheming daemons]

49. Why would he need a strategy for dealing with something that doesn't exist?

[scheming daemons]

50. Dupe

[avenger64]

54. PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD...

... it does no one but the enemy any good to discuss such a thing.

[anigbrowl]

73. Obama people are paranoid? You're the one who keeps posting about 'what IF' it exists.

You've been doing it for a week or something now. Man, you're a bad actor.

[avenger64]

75. The voices. The voices.

nt

[CaptJasHook]

78. Sorry Avenger, some people don't get that this is just a message board.

As if the entire world will fall apart because someone threw an idea out there.

[avenger64]

80. Thanks...

... tough here.

[CaptJasHook]

86. Frankly

I am happy to see some tough Dems.... we are going to need each other in the General.

[ebayfool]

35. Should Bill Clinton stop discussing politics in public?

Or is she allowed to "shuck & jive" only?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6220741#6221026
avenger64 (528 posts)
9. "Yeah - shucking and jiving.

He knows how to work the angles. Work the party insiders at the caucuses, pick up those sd endorsements from states that Senator Clinton won on the low-low.

He knows how to hustle. I just don't think he knows how to lead."


".... I hope it isn't." Sure. Uh-huh.

People like you & Harriet Christian scare the hell outta me.

[avenger64]

45. Should Bill Clinton stop discussing politics in public?

Yes, but it's too late now.

[anigbrowl]

63. What do I care what some GOP guy on Fox thinks?

He didn't have any evidence. You read his remarks, they boil down to 'everyone is talking about it so it must be true, he he'.

[myrna minx]

7. I agree with you. It's idea to float out there to make people *believe*

that it exists, and to pass along that it exists, and like any urban legend that plants the seed of dubious authenticity, someone will claim that their best friend's hairdresser's dry cleaner saw it, therefore it's true. It's the the elementary school telephone game where eventually the message is distorted at the end, but the meme is out there anyway.

[KittyWampus]

8. One other possibility- a tape of Michelle has been altered. And the Mediawhores won't

jump on the Left's version of "Buckhead" when it's proven within hours to be fake.

Did FOX not already run an altered version of Michelle's statement about being proud of America getting involved in change?

Hell, the Mediawhores come all over themselves after every fake/fat Usama bin Laden video that surfaces.

[guruoo]

9. Sure hope he's right, err, correct.

[boppers]

10. They're trying to set a stage, and amplify, her Master's Thesis content.

They're spinning a thread of "she's a resentful, angry, African-American" tale. If they put together enough half-truths, they figure they can trump actual truths.

[myrna minx]

21. Exactly. It's to set up the fictional backstory for people to have in their mind, so

when her thesis is brought up, people will, without ever seeing this fictional tape, believe they saw it, and fill in the blanks. It's a horrible smear and it's makes it worse that people here are encouraging it. :-(

[blonndee]

11. ...

Ugh. I hate to even say this, but if it does exist, it may not be "public speaking" as in videotaped services--more like a taped conversation. I guess we'll see whether it's true or not soon enough.

[scheming daemons]

13. No... we would've seen such a tape already. No way to hold this back....

Think logically.


This is "Obama is a muslim" all over again.

[goldcanyonaz]

30. It is rumored to have taken place at Trinity church

[scheming daemons]

33. Which is exactly the proof that it doesn't exist. EVERYONE has access to EVERY service from TUCC.

As the Rev Wright story proved.

[vaberella]

98. They mentioned it came from a

TUCC service. But even if it was a taped conversation, there would still be more than just one sole copy that this one person has. It doesn't float. People don't even do tapes now (well not all in the digital age), now they're dvd's coming from saved digital videos and such.

[blonndee]

111. I meant something along the lines of a cell phone video.

But it's probably just crap, anyway. I have no idea, just speculating on how there might be ONE video only.

[union_maid]

14. Also, who says "Whitey"?

Is Michelle Obama a refugee from a 70's blaxploitation flick or some long forgotten B movie about 60's radicals? I don't think so. If that word crossed her lips it would either have to be a quote - and a rather historical one at that - or ironic.

[grasswire]

23. have you read her thesis? (eom)

[union_maid]

39. Not the whole thing

I don't get paid to read those. I do know it addressed the racial divide. Is that wrong. Did she say "Whitey" in it much?

[Elspeth]

57. I did. It's long...

About 60 pages of text plus appendix, biblio, etc.

The study she did is a questionnaire which she wrote and gave to Black Princeton alumni. The goal of the questionnaire was to assess comfort levels that these alumni had with blacks and whites during three periods of their lives: their pre-Princeton period (childhood/teenage years); their Princeton period (while in college at an Ivy League University); and their post-Princeton period (their years as working adults or in grad school). What she found was that comfort level with a particular race was related to the amount of time the Black Princeton alumni spent with people of that race.

One big problem with her study was its methodology: Many of the Princeton alumni did not answer her survey, and Michelle took this as a sign of their assimilation into the white world. The problem is that there are host of reasons why someone might not return a survey. In addition, self-report (which is what surveys are) is the least reliable kind of data. Finally, Princeton alumni of any color are an elite group, so I don't know how applicable any of her findings are to Black alumni of state universities, liberal arts colleges, or community colleges.

However, it's very much in the 1980's Black Studies/sociology framework.

[avenger64]

82. Interesting stuff ....

... might look that up.

[vaberella]

83. Uh....one thing

the poster above you asked one question, did she say "whitey"---you didn't answer it? It makes no sense how you would relate a paper she did almost if not 20 years ago to the term "whitey" people are rumoring she used.

[Elspeth]

84. It was an academic paper.

You do the math.

[avenger64]

87. Academic Freedom. There was a quote about 'whitey' but it was data ....

... it's been taken out of context. It was actually a quote from someone she interviewed.

I won't vote for Obama, but I believe in Academic freedom. You tell people they can't think or talk, you get no ideas, and no honesty.

[Elspeth]

88. It was a quote from one of her subjects.

And you're right: in this circumstance, it was data. But the paper itself is painstakingly formal and painfully written. While it should not be a problem politically, it is definitely a problem grammatically. Her English professors should have corrected her awkward sentence structure years before she wrote the thing.

However, there's nothing for the Rush Limbaugh crowd here.

[avenger64]

91. Geez, you an english teacher?

I'm a math instructor - glad I don't have to run anything by you.

[Elspeth]

93. Normally I wouldn't comment on it, but it was Princeton, an Ivy League school

They fell down on the job here.

I have a theory that the Ivies are often remiss in their educational duties, but it doesn't matter because they look so good on the resume. :)

[vaberella]

90. So again...

It wasn't her...yet the implication by the poster who brought it up implied that it was her own words. I don't get it.

[Elspeth]

94. Of course you get it. It's politics, dear.

Welcome to it.

It's only weirdos like me who are gonna read the damned thing and find out what the truth is. Michelle Obama should thank me for my efforts, dammit.

[vaberella]

89. I know it's an academic paper...

Which would mean she wouldn't use that terminology and taht would say she NEVER said it in the paper. So if she didn't, why are you bringing it up? I'm trying to see how this connects current situation connects to her paper.

I don't even need to mention if I sat and did the the demographics of the feelings of Black students at Ivy League schools that have a normally 1% amount of Black students. The max at some of these Ivy Leagues for minority students is less than 5%. A lot of the time the experience is nothing worth loving. However, that doesn't mean she said anything of the sort or would say something of the sort.

[Elspeth]

95. I didn't bring it up. I was responding to another post.

And you should be happy with the fact that I read the damned thing and said there was nothing there. You can tell all your friends now that some weirdo on Democratic Underground actually read Michelle Obama's 1985 senior thesis and says it is very academic and boring. The only mention of "whitey" is a comment made by a research subject whose comments were part of the data for the study. The rest of it is guaranteed to put you to sleep before you hit page 2. It's academic for God's sake.

Ok? :)

[hokies4ever]

99. Sorry that your hitjob attempt on Michelle fell flat. But please don't be discouraged.

Keep trying. The kitchen sink strategy just might work. :rofl:

[Elspeth]

103. Ah, yes. Elspeth the assassin! :)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[hokies4ever]

108. I bet you sucked at Duck Hunt on that old school Nintendo gaming system

You definitely suck at shooting down Michelle Obama here. :rofl:

[Elspeth]

109. I never played video games.

I preferred hand to hand combat and, sometimes, I used a bucket. :)

[vaberella]

100. Uh...

You never said there was nothing there. You however gave a review of it but didn't say one way or another for someone to discern what you meant was "there was nothing there". It was another poster who gave clarification as to whether whitey was even in the text. That's all you had to do. I know it is, I scanned the paper months ago around March. It was posted on politico.com---however remembering the details was not something I cared for, since it's not my type of read.

[Elspeth]

106. I gave you an adequate description and said it was an academic paper

But I can understand that you were looking for a specific piece of information. I just assumed that you would understand that an academic paper has certain rules, and using racial slurs is against those rules.

Personally, I couldn't understand why everyone was so keen on this thesis. That's why I read it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. Ding ding ding

Only RWers and the truly irony-impaired (mutually inclusive) would believe that anyone would use the term 'whitey' in earnest.

[AtomicKitten]

18. ClintonCo has hinted at this alleged bombshell they've been sitting on.

If it exists, prepare for them to drop it in the next 48 hours in a Hail Mary pass forever securing the Clintons' pariah status in the party.

[Elspeth]

26. Not gonna happen.

I just don't see it.

[scheming daemons]

27. "I just don't see it". Exactly. NOBODY has seen it. It doesn't exist.

[Elspeth]

42. From what I hear, the source is really questionable--at best.

I would laugh at the whole thing.

[KittyWampus]

31. Can you imagine? Roger Stone sets Clinton up with a bogus tape of Michelle? Clinton unleashes it

and it does get debunked....

shades of Dan Rather.

Teh melodrama, it amuses me.

[AtomicKitten]

53. It would be the final episode in the Theater of the Absurd.

I think the GOP is disappointed they didn't get the candidate that plays on the same level they do with reindeer games and gotcha politics.

[bonito]

29. It's the neocon way, same as it's been

Bush/McCain/Clinton all the same in so many ways.

[Frank Booth]

32. Was it supposed to have been taped at TUCC? Could it be from some other venue?

Also, I'm wondering if it's possible she could have been making a joke, and someone will splice the tape so all context is removed.

I've used funny ethnic slurs like whitey and cracker when joking around, and other people do the same.

[scheming daemons]

37. The rumor they're spreading was that it was at TUCC.... they were "sloppy" in their rumor-mongering.

This small point proved that no such tape exists.

[GarbagemanLB]

43. WHY IS IT ORIGINATING FROM ONE SOURCE: No Quarter?

You'd think something like this would be reported from other places as well. Every blog that mentions this links back to No Quarter.

[KittyWampus]

51. In other words, it links back to a CIA guy.

[FVZA_Colonel]

61. You know, I remember a news story that featured an anonymous ex-CIA guy

(he may have declared for McCain, though I do not believe so) who had set up a "shop" to try and derail Obama. I am in no way saying the CIA itself has sanctioned this, but given that story and Johnson's hatred of Obama it seems possible he is that anonymous ex-operative.

[Teaser]

81. It's more than possible

But I say too much.

[chill_wind]

58. It isn't. It's a concerted thing between Roger Stone, Fox News and NQ.

from what I can see. I smell vaporware.

[stillcool]

52. It's the "Catastrophic Event"..

they keep wishing, hoping, and praying for. Since they haven't found it yet, and haven't been successful at cooking something else up, they are just biding their time, praying to sweet jebus that something comes their way. In the meantime they just keep making noises..threats..whatever.

[chill_wind]

60. Turned "big fizzle". Yes. Anti-Obama elements have gone to this well just a few too many

times.

[chill_wind]

56. Rumor of it is coming from *Roger Stone* (per Fox news vid) See link.

http://mms.tveyes.com/Transcript.asp?stationid=130&DateTime=06%2F01%2F2008+14%3A43%3A30&mediapreload=14&playclip=true

The mouth breathers, the GOP Freepers and Roger Stone foot soldiers are playing the self-professed McCain Democrats at the links at no quarter. All are all over the sweaty hope that this exists. The gullibility and total willing suspension of disbelief makes for very depressing reading..


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/breaking-news-on-whitey-tape-from-fox-news-a-tv-network-has-the-tape/

[casus belli]

59. When someone reports about someone seeking the tape...

as a justification that it exists without so much as a snippet for a teaser. You can bet you're dealing with bullshit.

At best, they produce a doctored tape that is quickly debunked, but that they are able to use for some leverage among the gray-matter-challenged voter, in much the same way as the muslim smears offered in the OP. The sad part of it is, that some people are so desperate for Obama to fall, that they'd be willing to run with a rumor, even a debunked one, in the absence of anything tangible. You should expect to see a wave of "whitey" emails circulating among the "Amurkin freedom chain-emailer" faction any day now.

[HuffleClaw]

65. it hasn't occurred to you that this mystery video might be wating until AFTER he's been nominated?

it would be far more damaging then

[thewiseguy]

67. Hasn't it occurred to you that how can you only have one copy of a tape?

A Michelle Obama tape?

[scheming daemons]

71. Um.... PLEASE READ. There's no WAY to keep this video in the tank if it existed...

A) Hillary Clinton would've paid $50 million for it.

B) The only way it could be "held" is if only ONE person/group had the video. That's not possible, since all TUCC services are digitally recorded and made available for purchase.

[CakeGrrl]

76. Good points. In addition to this,

why would the Republicans allow someone to leak their "October Surprise" on the internet?

The Obamas aren't naive. I'm sure they saw what happened to the Clintons during Bill's terms and I'm sure they, and any other couples in which one partner becomes a candidate for office, think about what the opposition could use against them.

The RW doctored a tape once, and they may resort to doing it again.

If Hillary had something to take the nomination away, she would've used it. If Camp Clinton is waiting for this bombshell to be delivered by Karl Rove, then I hope karma backfires on them worse than it's done so far.

[mystieus]

79. Who is Mr. Spock?

[Drunken Irishman]

92. The fact it isn't being released by a major network tells you it's bullshit.

Remember, both FOX and ABC released the Rev. Wright tapes. If FOX knows about this tape, which someone above stated, why would they not release it tomorrow? Why is it going to be released online? I'll tell you why, because FOX probably does not trust the source, does not believe it's a legitimate tape and does not want to discuss this tape if it doesn't exist or it's a fake.

[vaberella]

96. Ahhh...

so what you're saying is that the media probably already saw the tapes, if not all the tapes of TUCC ever since Rev. Wright. So why didn't they release it from long ago if it was such big news...that makes sense.

I also think the "why'd he" which was mention in another thread, is also logical. Like people misheard her statement. I can't see her saying that because he has white family. His younger sister is white and his grandparents are white. It's a bit weird.

[Drunken Irishman]

97. Well not just that.

Someone with FOX is on the record saying they've heard of this tape. Well if they've heard of this tape, why don't they have a copy and if they have a copy, don't you think they'd want to be the first to report it?

It reminds me of the same crap that happened right before the Larry Sinclare bullshit hit YouTube. There was a whisper campaign about Obama and his gay love affair, some people hinted at it, but it had no legs. Why? Because the MSM knew it was bullshit and didn't want to get their hands that dirty.

I bet tomorrow if a tape is released, it's exactly what your last paragraph says it will be. Her using the term why'd he and it'll be debunked within hours and everyone will be laughing their asses off at this.

[vaberella]

102. yuppers..

I had commented on that gay love affair thing in another post. I was like it's all over the net, but it wasn't shown on any news program, which would lead it to being pure shite.

As for this situation, I thought it was leaking to a news program. But it seems he's posting it on the net, so the whole information is that it's a online "airing". If that's the case then I wouldn't count it as being true.

That could be why Geraldo says it was untrue. Not because he couldn't believe it, but because the guy connected it to the TUCC and the media hounds had hunted all the information they could get on TUCC without there being anything. It would turn their entire station into a joke.

Huh!! So it seems the netizens are eating it up alive however.

[Drunken Irishman]

105. I guess we'll find out in a few hours.

I would love for them to put it out there, just to have it be a video of Michelle saying "why'd he..."

Oh man, that'd be funny.

[FVZA_Colonel]

110. I have no doubt Fox News would release it themselves if they thought it to be legit.

I mean, they're Fox fucking News! And they would have had to take a look at it themselves, if there was anything to it. But if they won't put it out there with their stamp on it...

[truedelphi]

101. The scary thing is that if Karl Rove wants such a tape, then the black op people can create

It for him.

It is not all that hard to do.

My real fear abt October surprises is that this time they will involve the nuclear attack on Iran. And that martial law descends in swift order.

[vaberella]

104. Then I'm moving to China sooner than I expected, about 2 years sooner.