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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:42 PM
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WHY Obama? For the logically-challenged, a quick lesson...
America doesn't need another candidate with endless, inside-the-Beltway political experience. The voters have made this explicitly clear.

Barack Obama has an intrinsic and sober knowledge of where we are as a nation and how we got here; he knows what our weaknesses and illnesses are, and he has a plan to fix them. In all that he has taken on, he has constantly proven himself to be a superior intellect, communicator, teacher and leader. He has a deep Christian faith that is rooted in humility, not bound by intolerance and absolutism.

He was right from the very start on Iraq and voted to end the occupation. Obama is a Constitutional scholar and an Ivy-League law graduate, who earned his degrees on scholarship, and was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. In other words, he is a brilliant mind. Obama was smart enough and tenacious enough to rise to the top of Chicago politics -- so he's no neophyte. Obama has years of experience as an anti-poverty organizer in Chicago, which puts him in direct, familiar touch with one of the biggest problems our nation faces in this century.

He has lived abroad, speaks an economically key foreign language fluently, and has a profound grasp of the importance of mutual respect over mindless nationalism. He is against nuclear proliferation and pro-gun control. He emphasizes promotion of public health and public education development, not just here, but worldwide -- and not just for economic or humanitarian reasons, but for national and international security reasons. He recognizes that measured diplomacy is the first line of national defense -- not threats. He opposed Kyle-Lieberman.

He inspires people like no other in this race. He turns out the vote like no other. He is the one candidate who can restore our nation's status in the eyes of the world.

He's also, obviously, the candidate the Repugnithuglicans fear the most (See: "Rush and Operation Chaos").

Get on board the train, or be left standing, crying, on the tracks as it leaves the station.

It's your choice.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:45 PM
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1. "He's also, obviously, the candidate the Repugnithuglicans fear the most"
"obviously"? Yeah, Wright.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:46 PM
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2. Hmmm...
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:49 PM by Barrymores Ghost
No surprises there. That's just the rationally-deprived, ad hominem, irrelevant response I expected from you.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:49 PM
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4. I don't know about Ignored, but I loved your post......succinc and says
a lot of what I believe....although there is always more. :thumbups:

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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:55 PM
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12. Yeah, there's more...
...but it's Happy Hour Friday, and the Celtics are locked in battle, so my attention is a bit divided right at the moment. Thanks.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:01 PM
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18. Go Pistons!
:party:



:hide:
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:08 PM
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21. Ouch.
I'm pulling for a friend.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:17 PM
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44. P.S. Sorry.
Celtics move on.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:46 PM
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45. (sigh)
Us folks in the Detroit area are used to it. :cry: Others more than I. I enjoyed the west coast for 20 years.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:50 PM
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7. Uh, it's easy when they *have* no other response. +0 points for you.
:P
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:11 PM
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22. LOL! n/t
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:50 PM
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8. Which is of course why Pat Buchanan and Fox are pushing so much for Hillary to be on the ticket.
Because she's a better candidate and they want the Democrats to win.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:51 PM
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9. Damn! You don't say?
;)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:59 PM
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16. It's doubtful your facetious point was grasped ...
...by Crystal Meth. :shrug:
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:07 PM
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20. No -- doubtlessly, deliberately ignored, if you ask me. n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:33 PM
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34. Murdoch supports Obama and admits he ordered NY Post to endorse O - hmmmmm
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:15 PM
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42. If the case, not an endorsement, just an admission of the inevitable.
Your source, nonetheless? Thanks.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:47 PM
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3. Kicked.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:54 PM
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10. cheers, pally. n/t
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:49 PM
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5. According to the Obama camp...
The last two administrations were dismal failures and lead by someone who was elected with little or no "inside the beltway" experience. According to the Clinton camp, that experience is all that counts, at least, post-1992. It was different back then.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:50 PM
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6. Source, please. Thanks. n/t
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:54 PM
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11. Source of what? That the Obama camp thinks that the Bush administration
and the Clinton administration were failures?

Try here.


http://democraticunderground.com
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:56 PM
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13. I know there's a point in there somewhere...
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:57 PM by Barrymores Ghost
..no offense, but you'll need to be more clear.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:58 PM
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15. The point is, what did electing an "outsider" do for us in 2000?
Personally, I liked the results of 1992, but I am sure I could find an argument here.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:06 PM
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19. If you are going to call Bush '00 an outsider, you're either a fool....
...or you're in the wrong forum. Sorry, I call 'em as I see's 'em. And Hillary's been enmeshed in D.C. politics for 16 years...and what does she have to show for it? No health care reform, pro-IWR, pro-NAFTA, pro-WTO, wants to "obliterate Iran" to win the Jewish vote, etc., etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

Help me out here. I'm a little slow.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:15 PM
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24. I think most here would agree that Bush in 2000 did not have the
national experience that he should have had to become president. He was anything but "inside the beltway". You think he was more of an insider than Al Gore??? I think the answer to that is obvious, probably even to you.

And, as far as Hillary's argument about how much it is required, I also pointed out that the Clinton's opinoin of that was different in 1992.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:18 PM
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28. His fucking father was CIA director, VP and POTUS, for fuck sake...
...are you fucking serious, or just pathologically thick?
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:24 PM
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31. I didn't say he wasn't connected, I said he didn't have the national experience.
So I am "fucking serious". We bashed him for having little national experience. Not enough people listened to us then.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:27 PM
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32. Try re-reading the OP again....
...and maybe make an effort to look around the tree trunk for the rest of the forest. Thanks.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:57 PM
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14. Not only that repukes with too many AAs in their district are now endangered bye bye...
STEVE CHABOT!!!!!!
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:00 PM
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17. Let's see Hillary get that vote...
...I mean, she's so popular with "working class Americans -- WHITE Americans" and all...
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:18 PM
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29. Nope those hard working whites in Chabot's district vote GOP, unfortunately that 25% AA vote with
bonus Obama juiced turnout means Chabot is in danger of being knocked out by another white guy who happens to be of the right political party for African American bias, that being "does not like Republicans, not even Blackwell, Keyes, Steele or Swann.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:12 PM
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23. Obama once lead Hillary among white men by 4.6% but now trails her by 12.9%.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:12 PM by Perry Logan
Face it, the little guy's a loser.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:16 PM
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26. How are the cherries anyway?
as you have been picking them for a bit, are they sweet?
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:16 PM
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27. Seen your website, pally. You're a psycho.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:21 PM by Barrymores Ghost
End of discussion.

P.S. Lay off the crystal.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:51 AM
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49. OMG! That's a fucking horrible site!
Total. Fucking. Nutbag.

I gotta restart my ignore list...
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:50 AM
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52. It merits consideration, don't it? n/t
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:58 AM
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50. Bill Clinton didn't get the majority of white male votes,
did he? I seem to remember one of the talking heads repeating that over and over. Democrats usually don't. (I don't understand why.)
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:53 AM
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53. Do you really think that Obama will get more of the white male vote than
Clinton did in the GE?
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:34 PM
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55. No, I don't.
And that's not what I said. I just said that Dems don't get the majority of the white male vote.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:16 PM
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25. Awesome analysis, Barrymores Ghost.
Thank you for the interesting read.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:21 PM
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30. what have the voters made "explicity clear"?
Obama's slightly ahead, despite outspending his opponent three to one. Plus, if you're going to say "the voters", you have to include the other side. You know, Republicans. Combine McCain and Hillary's voters and you're statement isn't so.... logical.

And that's not even getting into the popular vote argument.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:31 PM
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33. Your post, in addition to its awkward syntax and horrific spelling...
...makes no sense. Hillary Clinton hasn't got two nickels to rub together. Why do you think that is?

Please try again.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:36 PM
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:10 PM
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40. Perfect. Thanks for confirming all that I needed to know about you.
I guess an honest explanation of your "point" was too much to expect. Cheers, friend.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:44 PM
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36. This is the kind of post that makes me cringe
Obama is a politician, despite some of his supporters protestations to the contrary. He may not have DC experience, but he has Chicago machine experience. That ranks just below Louisiana* as far as politicians go, so everyone should go into this with eyes wide open. He's no angel, none of them are.


* And I speak very fondly of my neighbor. In SE Texas we used to joke that our politicians only had to be indicted to be elected, in Louisiana they had to convicted. :)
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:43 PM
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37. Bingo
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:12 PM
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41. Cringe away.
I never claimed he was an angel. I only said he was my candidate, and elucidated the reasons why. You do what you need to do, sport.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:52 PM
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38. Is that John or Ethel?
John was one of my favorites.

Anyway, very well said.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:15 PM
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43. John Sydney Blyth....
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:15 PM by Barrymores Ghost
cheers.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:06 PM
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39. Simple math for me, he's got the most delegates, fuck it, let's go!
We have Republicans to stomp into the mud.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:10 AM
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46. Agreed. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:40 AM
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47. Thatr's as good a rationalization for unprecidented inexperience
and an undistinguished Senate and legislative career that I've heard yet.

Hopefully, people will buy it... and maybe they will, considering how far Bush has lowered the bar.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:41 AM
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48. So experience is a bad thing. Look, I don't think you guys are going to start piling up the skulls
but your logic here is a little to Pol Pot/Year Zero for my comfort. :shrug:
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:55 AM
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54. Well, you get an "A" for "dramatic stretch of the day."
I'll take "Stupid Fucking Analogies for $1,000.00," Alex.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:50 AM
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:01 PM
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56. America is ready for thoughtful leadership
Enough with the bluster, the saber-rattling, the lies, the pandering and the condescension. Criminals aren't welcome anymore. Get the scotch tape, we're putting the Constitution back together again.

Complainers, find something more productive to do with your time.

:kick:
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