Special Comment for Keith Olberman (a response)

[Evergreen Emerald]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/25/special-comment-for-keith-olbermann/#more-2706

Excellent read…here is only a small portion.


Aside from the fact that freedom of speech seems limited to Mr. Olbermann, he is determined to show that Senator Clinton’s use of a reminder of the 1992 and 1968 races is something more than often used talking points during a long campaign by a senator both weary and on the ropes.

And yet, Mr. Olbermann is so selective in where he vents his righteous anger. What do YOU care about Mr. Olbermann?

Are you concerned that words such as bitch, cunt, nutcracker, and whore are used to describe Senator Clinton both in print and in primetime “political discussions?” Are you concerned there are no crossover words for Senators McCain or Obama?

As long as you are concerned about hidden messages, do you get angry when a candidate’s people play a song by Jay-Z that says in part “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one?” Do you really think that was unintentional?

[Kittycat]

1. Why in the hell would you post a link to NoQuarter here?

:crazy:

[Brundle_Fly]

3. We're all waiting for the free repuklet cross posts.

I guess if you want positive ( bad ) news about GºBama, you are limited in your ability to find them someplace objective.

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. you mean like DU?

Objective? What is objective about KO?

This article is no less objective than anything I have read here.

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[Kittycat]

57. I never called you a racist. I mentioned racist threads on Hillis44.

Do you post there? I wouldn't know, because I don't frequent it, but I have seen threads from that shithole posted here. The only Hillaryis44 poster I know of is Tellurian, because of the logo in their siggy.

And I visit legitimate democratic blogs, sites and source-able news sites. If you want to consider NQ a legitimate Dem blog, your very wrong on that. And I don't consider the way Hillary is behaving as progressive or democratic. She's acting like a repuke, regardless of her past record - she is running like a rovian candidate. That isn't welcome in the Dem Party, which is only one of the many reasons she's lost this battle.

[Evergreen Emerald]

71. so, you want me to give you the benefit of the doubt that YOU did not give Clinton

in her statments? I see.

Double standards continue to be the norm on DU.

Hillary44: I have not seen that site either. I have heard about it, but only from DU and I take anything on DU with a grain of salt as reasonableness and unbiased commentary have left the building.

[Kittycat]

78. I never called you a racist. It's in black and white. I know it's hard to accept the math,

but surely you can read what is written.

ETA: That is unless you were the author of those racist threads at Hillis44. In that case, you called your own self out, by owning up to and acknowledging they are racist.

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[BlooInBloo]

117. lolol!

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[smiley_glad_hands]

127. Why are you still here if its so bad? eom

[roguevalley]

91. you are not a liberal progressive or you would concede that your

candidate is losing fair and square. the tactics of having her given the nomination over the winner because she is a 'girl' is not American, not progressive and not democratic. Too bad.

[proud2BlibKansan]

114. A couple questions:

Why do you post here? If it is so bad, why are you here?

If you really ARE a liberal, progressive Democrat, then how can you support Hillary? She is not the least bit progressive.

[Evergreen Emerald]

124. I know it is easier to just agree with talking points, but let me show you:

This is progressive:


Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israe...
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfu...


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

[proud2BlibKansan]

133. Hillary voted to go to war

and has never apologized for that vote, as many other progressive reps have. That is NOT progressive.

She refused for months to meet with anti-war activists. That is NOT progressive.

She proposed a flag burning amendment. That is NOT progressive.

She favors censorship of music. That is NOT progressive.

She is a leader in the DLC, the most non-progressive portion of the Democratic party.

Her plan for universal health care is NOT progressive.

Her praise of McCain is NOT progressive.

Mentioning assassination is NOT progressive.

And if you aren't yet convinced, the two largest progressive groups in the country, DFA and PDA, have NOT ENDORSED HER and have called for her to step down and stop dividing the party.

My state progressive caucus (which is affiliated with the DNC and the National Progressive Caucus) meets next weekend. I am on the board of directors. If our members vote to endorse Hillary, I will come back here and let you know. If PDA or DFA changes endorse Hillary, I will let you know. But since progressive groups tend to endorse progressive candidates (imagine that!) I doubt that will happen.

You can cut and paste everything you find on her website where the word "progressive" is mentioned. That doesn't make Hillary a progressive.

[Evergreen Emerald]

143. well, if you are going to distort the record to make your point

two can play at that game:

Obama supported the war = NOT progressive
Obama praised Nixon = NOT progressive...I could go on, but you get the point.

Clinton has been progressive her career. She has been a fighter for civil rights and for rights of children. Here healthcare bill is much more progressive than Obama's and certainly more progressive than other one proposed.

It is said that in order to support your candidate, you must vilify another and in your own mind, turn them into something they are not.

[proud2BlibKansan]

148. Obama did not vote to go to war

He wasn't even in the Senate then.

He did not praise Nixon. He made a comment praising something Reagan did. And with the exception of the current pResident, it isn't hard to find at least one positive thing about past republican presidents. Even Nixon (who Obama did NOT praise) managed to accomplish some good things while he was in office.

Does Hillary's health care plan still make everyone buy their own health care? That's dictatorial, not progressive. True universal care paid for by the government is progressive.

How do you reconcile her leadership position in the DLC with progressivism?

[Evergreen Emerald]

151. he voted for the war every chance he got while in the Senate.

[proud2BlibKansan]

152. To support the troops fighting in the war

[Evergreen Emerald]

162. that is one way to spin it.

One could also suggest that, like Vietnam, to END THE WAR, you VOTE AGAINST IT.

Both have the same record on the war. I trust Clinton to end it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

176. It's the only way to spin it

[Evergreen Emerald]

187. No. The Senate could not do the right thing. And that was to end the war with the purse strings.

That is their power and their role. That is how Vietnam ended and they were given a mandate when we elected them: "end the war."

Obama showed his lack of leadership and fortitude for the fight. He went along because he wanted to make as few waves as possible. It is a fairy tale for him to run on the idea that he was against the war. Actions speak louder than words.

[JoFerret]

182. You make a good point about his

inexperience.

[hokies4ever]

36. If you hate DU, then why are you here?

[Evergreen Emerald]

45. No. I hate what you have made DU.

I have been here for years. It was a progressive site to come for intelligent discussions with like minded people. It was a place to get the latest news and information without fear of propaganda.

It has changed. Thugs who abhor thoughts and ideas different from your own have invaded. One different view and the thugs swarm and attack. Nothing is off limits. Distortions and twists have become the norm. Truth? Not here.

[Auntie Bush]

119. Truer words were never spoken!!

[smiley_glad_hands]

128. I've been here for years and can say the same thing about you. eom

[JoFerret]

181. So there....NER

Jesus.

[rodeodance]

188. very nicely said. And it is the truth.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

84. you are so good at calling names.

rovian, freeper, racist.

Lovely use of a democratic board to stifle ideas different than your own.

[roguevalley]

89. you can't handle the truth and you can't handle that the majority

of America is rejecting her and her tactics. too bad.

[JoFerret]

63. The DU Hillary hate crowd have been doing that months

wake up.
The language, the pics, the posts the insults, the vile names. - straight from the mouths of frepers and onto the boards of DU.
No doubt this would continue with Obama hate - were that to be allowed and IF there were DUers who wanted to do that. I can't think of any off hand.
Civility has long gone from this board. Foul name calling and demonization of dems has been allowed to flourish.

[Major Hogwash]

85. No shit! When did the garbage can get turned over in this joint?

Look all the crap on the floor! Pick this garbage up and throw it out!

Sheesh!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

16. did you notice certain excerpts in the OP

the "c" word isn't supposed to be used in posts at DU.
RULES.

And No Quarter is the nastiest, most racists and misogynistic site
for a "Hillary supporter" there is. Worse than Hillaryis44.

[roguevalley]

88. because they are pathetic. they are allegic to the truth. if you scrape

the barnacles of their hissy fit off all their posts, they have the same thing in common: a gigantic panty-twisting, blue-faced waaaaaaaaaah. I have NEVER EVER seen such rotten losers. Sore Losermen fits them this time around. What a bunch of sad, sad people.

[Philipsanchez]

154. Why would he not post a link to Noquarter?

He's not even a Republican; meanwhile, you guys link to Michael Goodwin, the Daily News wingnut, and Peggy Noonan.

[gabeana]

2. I'm sure you are also pissed at KO

when he also goes after Bush, right?

same difference

[grasswire]

4. well, no

The parallel doesn't exist.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. I actually look at the news and "opinions" I get from all sources with

a grain of salt. Olberman is no better than O'Riley. He has been distorting and twisting Clinton's statements for some time now. I am not sure if he hates all women, or just her. But, he is appearing unhinged in his "rants." This last one showed him blubbering, red-faced, with spittle coming out of his mouth as he distorted and re-invented Clinton's meaning.

[sfam]

18. Did you see Olbermann no better than O'reily before he attacked your candidate?

Just wondering...if so, you might wanna check your own biases too. Whether you like him or hate him, Olbermann has made the judgment that Hillary's decision to stay in the race well past when it was possible for her to win is hurting our chances in November. This is a reasonable judgment, one that many who aren't Hillary or Obama supporters have made.

[PatGund]

19. I suspect you're projecting....

I just looked at KO's most recent special comments.

Was he upset? Yes. Most decent people would be.

However, he certainly wasn't "blubbering". "red-faced", or had spittle coming out of his mouth.

See for yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF04kdgJeJs

NoQuarter is sadly disappointing me anymore. Larry Johnson had a lot of respect for me, but his embrace of Sen. Clinton's "win at all costs, lie when you must" mentality is very sad to see.

[gabeana]

20. so then you are pissed when he goes after Bush? n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. who? O'Riley or Olberman?

Neither. I listen to what they say (although I have never watched O'Riley and refuse to watch olberman since he stopped doing news and started doing propaganda) and I take what they say with a grain of salt.

[gabeana]

30. Olbermann, sorry if I wasn't clear

[iconicgnom]

123. Someone whose only fallback support is NoQuarter and Hillaryis44 and the like

and yet who call themselves "progressive" should take a lengthy break. Clearly such people have worked themselves into such a state that they'll be unable to cope with the GE campaign Obama vs McCain. They might consider the possibility that the "hatred" they speak incessantly of is largely a product of the hatred that they project, reflected back at them. Perhaps they might consider the possibility that Dems of all stripes don't enjoy reading incessant posts spouting right-wing memes that taunt the Dem candidate's supporters, that reek of self-pity.

[grantcart]

5. gee quoting from the #1 Michelle hater - how very classy

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. This is actually the first time I have gone to this site

I have not read anything else from him (or her) but I certainly agree with this article.

[grantcart]

65. he has been one of the most quoted by Hillary supporters here and

he is one of the most rabid Obama haters in existence.

He has been spreading rumors about Michelle that are so outlandish that no one else except other Obama hate sites repeat.

Here is something you can access with one click



they proudly list 9 articles in their hit pieces against Michelle.

Very classy folks you associate with.

And L Johnson has been at the forefront of Hillary quotes in DU so its hard to believe that you were unaware of it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

73. "rabid" ? Like DU is rabid in their hate against Clinton?

Is it ok to be rabid as long as it favors your candidate?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. I disagree with OP. I feel that Olbermann is rarity who DOES use freedom of speech

In fact I believe he protects our freedom of speech, possibly
expanding it by USING it.

But that's my point of view.

I also believe that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are making
grounds to that effort.

[patrice]

7. Much of this may be true. But many of us do not want to elect a pResident, because she was reviled

for her gender.

There was a time when the whole thing might have been different; the self-fulfilling prophecy rules now. I and millions and millions of other people are not allowing to govern our choices.

[saltpoint]

9. Every single Democratic voter who did not support Hillary Clinton but

instead preferred another Democrat in the nomination contest did

not

use slang nouns to characterize the junior Senator from New York.

Victim Hillary. Poor Hillary. Pitiful, weeping, victim-of-sexism Hillary.

What bullshit.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. You just set up a straw man and knocked it down. Your response

has nothing to do with this post. But, good job in knocking down your own ignorant argument.

[saltpoint]

25. Could be your points that you've been pushing for so long weren't

that good to start with.

And aren't getting better with each repeated post.

Meanwhile, Obama's fewer than 50 dels away from a first-ballot win in Denver.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. I know...what a shame.

What a shame.

[sfam]

28. I know...democracy sucks sometimes...perhaps if we just changed the rules...

we might get the outcome you really wanted...

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. I just wanted a level playing field.

And, democracy is not inuendo and lies and distortions. It is the downfall of democracy.

A lie is started and spread and soon it becomes "reality" with no source known. Not democracy.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

47. We haven't had a level playing field for some time.

Look how the media distorted Dean's reaction to the Iowa caucus in 2004. I still believe he was taken down by the MSM so that a weaker candidate would be nominated. This year, we have seen all the candidates who stood for progressive rather than centrist values taken out of the race before most people could even be given the option of voting for them. As a woman for Kucinich, I frankly don't see policy differences between Clinton and Obama. The differences seem to me to be superficial.

What I have tried to do is to listen to videos showing the candidates themselves say. That way I can make up my own mind as to what is true and what is not. I would suggest that everyone do the same.

[comrade snarky]

58. Oh I see,

Like the Obama isn't a muslim "as far as I know" or the Obama is talking to the Canadian goverment and lying about nafta thing.

But of course to your eyes those aren't lies, innuendos or distortions are they?

<edited for a tipo>

[TLM]

125. A lie... you mean like saying you dodged sniper fire when you did not...

or like insinuating that Obama is a secret Muslim, to the point where your hard working white voters list it as a reason they voted for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbLQ6DC8mw



Hillary's two biggest f-ups were the sniper lie and now bringing up late primary assassination as a rational for remaining in the race.

Nobody lied and claimed she said these things, when she did not say them. They are her words, she said these things herself.

She is on video saying them.

Yet her followers try blaming the media for reporting it and obama for simply existing when she said it.


We do not need another arrogant president who can not take responsibility for their own words and actions.

[saltpoint]

38. In fact, Mrs. Clinton herself just happened to mention the other day

that if someone were to assassinate her opponent, why, that would -- you know, like leave her as the remaining option.

[saltpoint]

29. Except to the context that the candidate with the most delegates

wins.

That's how the game is played, despite your hysterical objections.

[Name removed]

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[saltpoint]

37. You don't care for being called hysterical even when you are hysterical,

which is kind of hysterical.

You claim the long view in many of your posts.

I haven't seen much evidence of it, though.

[Name removed]

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[saltpoint]

138. Hey, but i can still belt out "The Moonlight's Bright Tonight Along the

Wabash" in the shower.

[Evergreen Emerald]

144. lol

I'll bet you can.

[ebayfool]

140. How dare you!

This is a personal - HIGHLY personal! - attack on a long time & respected DUer. It's one thing to argue @ candidates, but this crap shouldn't be allowed to stand! Please!

"Oh, poor crotchety old fart. Eyesight, memory, and comprehension all going at once."

You ARE hysterical.

You want to be taken seriously & have people listen to what you have to say, & this is the kind of garbage that you spew? You're OFFENDED that people call your candidate names? This is what you left on post AFTER you edited? I'd hate to see what you judged too vile & removed.

You are out-of-line & should be escorted to the nearest exit!

[Evergreen Emerald]

145. come on...I was kidding.

have you not been reading our posts?

[ebayfool]

159. Out-of-line ... firmly escorted ... nearest exit.

Preferably w/your ever-so-offensive-little-clenched fists handcuffed behind your back.

Yeah, I read them.

And you are hysterical.

Way to represent ... Hillary & feminism.


You need to go back to capitalhillforum & work w/your biddy-buddies on ways to fuck w/DU - sending links to anti-Hillary posts to reporters, etc. You call DU a rabid hate site, then cozy up to the filthy posters I just saw there?

Pot-kettle, lady. You got some nerve.

BTW - before your knickers get in a twist, I'm a biddy too & yeah, I said it ... your little hate site looks like a cross between a gossipy fan site & a biddy let's trash the skeery black guy that just moved to town & figger out how we can run them out before they affect our real estate prices & contaminate our pure little ever-so-deserving little lily white girl child Hillary!

[Evergreen Emerald]

164. hysterical / knickers in a twist...

Have you ever heard of irony? Cause you are doing the same things you accuse me of doing.

[ebayfool]

167. Difference - I'm fucking pissed. So are you & the biddies still trying to sink DU?

I notice you kinda skipped over the rest of it. Still working on getting the reporter to come over here to see how mean DU is to Hillary? The DU you claimed to care about for sooooo long? The DU that you people come to & throw shit over the transom to stir it up so you can scurry back your hole & proclaim how vicious & mean we all are? Maybe some reporters should take a looky-see at some of the bile on your site, without any of us posting there to get you all riled up?

Are you really that scared of a black man?

You're pitiful AND hysterical.

I'm just cold, calm, fucking angry. And I don't respond to neener-neener-so-are-you-so-there posts ... so come on back w/some real arguments @ what I asked.

Or scurry back to YOUR loathsome little echo-chamber.

With your lily-white little clenched fists & quivering bottom lip.

[Evergreen Emerald]

168. No. I am not trying to sink DU. YOUR behavior and the behavior

of your thug friends are the ones who turned DU from an issue debating site to a vile-hate filled attack site.

When there is a difference of opinion, you and your buddies call me hysterical and then the swarm of Clinton-haters come out and attack non-stop and suggest that DU is only for those who tow the Obama line.

You are nothing more than a bully who cannot sustain an argument short of name calling.

Afraid of a black man? And. Oh yes. It always ends with a shout of "Racism!"

Scurry? Hysterical? Pitiful? Very nice. You proved my point: DU is now filled with people who refuse to discuss issues, but would rather just attack.

I have lived through eight years of that with Bush in Office.


You are angry? You should be. But your anger is faced the wrong way. Look at DU. Look in the mirror at what you have helped to create.

[ebayfool]

169. Does YOUR hate site allow Obama supporters? Naah!

So do I take it you have no problem with your biddy friends trying to sabotage DU? You skirt around the question, again, so I take it that okay w/you? Yes or no ... an easy question.

I didn't get in your face or call you anything until YOU attacked a fellow DUer w/the most ridiculous, childish bile you could muster - sweetums! I stopped hanging in GD-P for a long time when the Hillary fan club was in it's frenzy back when she was being touted by the media as 'inevitable' - I sure as hell didn't hang around like a little kid sniveling because I hadn't been picked for the playground teams. I still didn't post much when the tables turned - I just read & watched. YOU & YOUR foot-stompin' name-callin' insults to Old Crusoe just sucked my tired ass right back into it. You asked for - you got it!

Then I take a quick look-see & what do I find?

DUers - current AND tombstoned - huddled together mewling & plotting how to fuck w/MY beloved DU!

.... you & your friends & the Hillary you rode in on!

[Evergreen Emerald]

170. You crack me up! You completely

ignore the fact that I posted a thread and was attacked by OldC and responded in kind. And then, on cue, the obama supporters circle in and start with the tyranny of the majority.

Let's get something straight: I have been on DU for years. Don't you dare think you deserve to be here more than me just because you succumb to majority think--that is the most undemocratic BS I have heard.

Save your faux outrage for a faux attack on a faux Clinton issue. You are predictable and more of the same.

[ebayfool]

174. You're evading the question - again.

So do I take it you have no problem with your biddy friends trying to sabotage DU? You skirt around the question, again, so I take it that okay w/you? Yes or no ... an easy question.


And no ... that was not an attack by OldC. It was what you keep mewling that no one allows you to do - disagreeing w/you. You responded inappropriately. Own it, sweetie - it's all yours!


Again ... you okie-dokey w/your friends trying to sabotage DU or not? The DU you so stridently claim as yours? Are you cool w/that attack? Are you down w/that little bit of majority-think? If you are, then no ... you don't deserve to be here. Just disavow your biddy-buddies plan to go after DU & we'll all see whether you've got the bragging rights (been here longer - I wuz here first - it's mine, mine, mine!) you so fervently insist are yours.

(yup, I'm using those code words now - mebbe I'll get me some hysterical going next to see if you can relate better w/that!)

[neverforget]

46. you need a thicker skin

[comrade snarky]

64. There's no point

In a thicker skin when you live to be outraged.

Besides that would deprive a subset of Hillary supporters from their best argument. I mean it's the only way they have to stop an argument they're loosing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. His post contains not one sexist (or offensive) remark

but you reply by calling him "old man"!?!?!?!?

Good grief, do you not see what you just did here?

Wow.

[Evergreen Emerald]

146. "hysterical"

is used to minimize the statement and reaction of a female.

[derby378]

10. So now Keith Olbermann is expected to apologize for every anti-Clinton male?

So much in that article about what other people said about Hillary - so little from KO himself.

Methinks LisaB sounds a bit whiny. If KO had actually said all the things about Clinton that Marc Rudov, Glenn Beck, and Alex Castellanos did, she'd have a point, but this all sounds like sour grapes.

[saltpoint]

39. And he by god better do it quick or the Hillary pseudo-feminists will

chase him down the street with scythes.

[proud2BlibKansan]

120. Or pots and pans!

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

165. Pots & pans! LOL!

Plus, she might call in an airstrike and drop kitchen sinks on his ass.

Run fast, Keith! Godspeed!

[VotesForWomen]

135. no, but he could refrain from being a nasty partisan dick. nt

[Cheap_Trick]

11. because that's what all good hillbots are reduced to

using right wing sources for their talking points. How DARE KO not worship at the altar of the goddess of peace? In other words, this OP is just another in a long line of:

[Evergreen Emerald]

17. wow...the irony. Using a right-wing picture of Clinton to support your argument

I do have to say that after seeing what happened to DU and the ugliness with which you all treated a progressive democratic Senator, I am becoming more tolerant of republican sources. I see that they are not the only ones capable of closed-minded ugliness. DU is as bad (and as credible) as anything I have ever seen on any other blog.

[TLM]

142. What's right wing about that picture?

It is a picture of hillary making a stupid face.

Again blame somebody else for something Hillary did in front of a camera.

[Cheap_Trick]

173. how is that a "right wing picture"?

Just because it isn't a flattering one? How about the ugliness which "you all" treated a progressive Democratic candidate? Oh, silly me. It's only wrong if WE treat Hillary bad. It's okay when YOU treat Obama bad. Those right wing saviors of yours are salivating at the prospect of Hillary getting the nomination. You cry that we're treating her badly, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And the past 16 years should tell you that. Learn the hard way, if you must. You'd really be crying then.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. Im sorry but the OP uses some "choice" words that are banned at DU

if you get time, check the rules. Skinner has them pinned to top of the forum,
and also the main original regular rules are linked at the bottom.

Anytime you post copy from that site, you should check to see if it violates
DU rules before posting.

Here's the rules
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

More detail here -
These are the basic rules. For a detailed explanation of how we enforce these rules, please click here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[sfam]

15. I have a problem with those policies then...the OP is clearly using this words as...

a context for defense in the point of view that Olbermann is biased. He/she is not using them as a put-down on someone. If we can't discuss what has been used in discussions in the MSM related to the campaign, what good is this place?

That said, I totally disagree with the OP, but that's another post...

[RazBerryBeret]

14. but was the assassination word used?

was she verbally linked to the most wanted terrorist in the world?
did her photo appear on a magazine cover with cross hairs over it?

what is that line, I think Hillary said it, um something like "if you can't stand the heat??...."

[indimuse]

93. I wanna know..WHEN the word" assassination" officially became

Barack Obama's???? YOu tell me WHEN? Do you not think BOTH Clinton's have NEVER been in fear for their lives...BOTH for each other's...Chelsae's for that matter???? My God... Hillary is MORE than a THREAT to special INTERESTS AND the so called "Boys Club!" When? you tell me F*CKING WHEN?? This woman has bee a TARGET her entire life! YOu took something innocent and turned it into SLIME! Just like district #13..Obama's GREAT BIG ACHIEVEMENT!! Where poverty is the greatest in this country..corruption ROOLZ ALL! YOU KNOW ZERO!!!

[RazBerryBeret]

177. wow...ok...

there's only been ONE candidate who used the word Assassination. fact.
Only ONE candidate had SS protection early because of threats. fact.

corruption Doesn't "Rool" all--I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.
Hillary isn't really a threat to anyone's "club"...and I think "boys' club is kind of sexist.

and, um...I'm not the only one who "misinterpreted her so called innocent comment...
but keep telling yourself that if you need to.

[Saturday]

21. That's a fabulous article and EXACTLY right on. I no longer watch KO.

He's too full of his own self importance. Maybe his 20 YO girlfriend inflates his ego?

[sfam]

24. Olbermann has made his POV clear - he thinks Hillary is hurting the party...

by staying in well past the point when she has any chance of winning. This is a REASONABLE judgment to make - one that many who are not in Obama's campaign have made.

The question he raises is whether she is hurting our chances in November. HE clearly thinks she does, as do many others not in Obama's camp. You can be pissed at him if you like, but this IS a commonly held view. It really is - and its a fair view for a reason.

This is very different, I think, than what O'Reily does. Whether its also Keith's responsibility to take up Hillary's latest talking point - that she only lost due to sexism - is up for debate.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. he started attacking Clinton along with Tweety, Timmy, and Ed

long before she had "no chance of winning." I'll never forget the Hardball show when Tweety and Ed called Clinton a baby killer and a Nazi. And no one in the party called them up and told them to shut the fuck up. DNC was silent. Allowing the inflamed attacks to continue.

I remember that "debate" where Timmy handed Clinton to the boys on a silver platter. Nearly every question was designed to attack Clinton. Finally Richardson told them to knock it off. Both Obama and Edwards joined in the attacks.

I will never forget Olberman joining in the piling on--distortions / attacks. Why?

I have my suspicions.

Clinton was vilified and the masses (lemmings most) just nod in agreement: "yeah," they agree in unison, "she is so calcualting" "She is such a bitch" "she is going to call in her flying monkeys." "she wants Obama dead."

And despite that constant attack: she still stands.

[sfam]

44. So Olbermann is responsible for Tweety's comments? Do you hate George...

Stephanopolous for piling on Obama for 45 minutes in that debate over bunches of useless crap as well, or does this feeling only arise when your candidate is called into question?

But please - show me the link where Olbermann calls Clinton a bitch. I watch the show religiously and I don't remember that.

And regarding her still standing, that is the problem. She stands with absolutely no chance of winning, yet still is leveling attacks on our presumptive nominee's credibility. This IS a problem, but for a reason different than you suggest (sexism, etc.). The problem is our chances in November are going down the tubes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

50. women have never been given anything

We have to fight for every inch.

[comrade snarky]

66. Yeah!

That Paris Hilton, what a scrappy fighter.

Sheesh, get off the cross will you?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

69. great post: "Clinton was vilified and the masses (lemmings most) just nod in agreement"

love this part:

Clinton was vilified and the masses (lemmings most) just nod in agreement: "yeah," they agree in unison, "she is so calcualting" "She is such a bitch" "she is going to call in her flying monkeys." "she wants Obama dead."

[hokies4ever]

35. Is advocating Republican sites a tombstonable offense?

Why not just link directly to Bill Orally's talking points?

[chascarrillo]

41. Used to be. Nowadays... not so much.

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Evergreen Emerald]

54. Please. Stop the faux outrage

Obama supporters have linked to republican sites on numerous occasions...were you peppering the thread with the same statement over and over again then too?

Yeah...I did not think so.

[hokies4ever]

55. Oh go take a hike

:rofl:

[Blue-Jay]

62. They did it first!

Wah wah wah...

[DemVet]

186. Heaven forbid if one actually reads the opposition for a different viewpoint

[WeDidIt]

42. Never will you find a blog more filled with scum and villainy

than Larry Johnson's piece of shit site.

[Evergreen Emerald]

48. I have not been to that cite before. I do like this article.

But I have learned that propaganda is not limited to republican cites. DU's greatest page is a good example.

[hokies4ever]

49. Why are you trashing DU but still staying here?

[Evergreen Emerald]

52. I won't let you destroy what was once an awesome place to go

for progressive information. I am assuming you will all get bored with the progressive, liberal stuff once this campaign is over and the progressives can come back.

[hokies4ever]

56. Are you still pissed about Obama's landslide victory in Oregon

Sounds like your neighbors shut some doors in your face when you tried to convince them that gas tax pandering was good for them. :rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. No. More sad really. The truth is that Obama is less progressive

less experienced and more untruthful than Clinton. He is just better at underhanded tricks--of course he has the media backing and good timing.

Bush did say he was a uniter. Bush is the one who got the democrats motivated.

[hokies4ever]

61. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. I have heard this from you before and I don't quite understand what it means

Are you suggesting that when a candidate looses, the supporters were wasting their money?

Is that democracy? I am not certain if you are suggesting people should not give money to a candidate if there is a possibility that they would not win? How would that work in a democracy?

I would like to remind you that Clinton received more than 1/2 of the democratic votes.

[hokies4ever]

She did not receive more than 1/2 of the votes

but please keep telling yourself that. Sorry that you're still pissed about the Oregon landslide. Please get over it. :rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

75. I see you have reduced to snarky comments and no response to my question?

[Name removed]

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[chascarrillo]

82. If you want a progessive site, the why the FUCK are you posting stuff from No Quarter?

My head is going to fucking explode here.Jesus H Christ on a fucking pogo stick.

[Evergreen Emerald]

86. Well, in order to get progressive ideas

I am forced to leave those who pretend to be progressive while vilifying a progressive liberal senator with the most vile non-progressive loads of crap I have ever seen.

10 recomendations. 10. Where have all the progressives gone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6128910

[smiley_glad_hands]

131. She is far from liberal.

Liberals don't triangulate and move to the right.

[TLM]

147. LOL! Yeah you have to go to a racist, sexist hate site to find BS that you agree with....

talk about being out of touch.

So much of the dem party agrees that Hillary has gone too far, that yes, you are limited to fewer and fewer echo chambers.

That would be a sign for a rational person.

[rodeodance]

189. because many of the so-called progressive sites are NO longer progressive

[tishaLA]

51. That post is loaded with lies

For one thing, the lie about Sen Obama using a Jay Z song "99 Problems"; it just never happened, and that story has been debunked innumerable times. But one comes to disregard Mr Johnson when he writes about Black men--after all, he also confused Ice Cube and Ice-T. Perhaps they all look alike to him.

I'd also be interested to see precisely which "primetime 'political discussion'" has had the bad taste to call Sen Clinton a cunt. I suspect it doesn't exist, although it is true that she has been called a nutcracker and a bitch. The amusing thing, though, is that Mr Johnson has repeatedly invoked variations of "nigga" in posts about Sen Obama, so his mock-concern about crossover words for Sen. Obama is undermined by his own blog entries.

[ellacott]

53. There is a blatant lie in your post that has been refuted

Obama did not use that Jay Z song. It has been refuted in many places including this board. There were statements from people who were there along with video proof that it didn't happen. Even one of the most vocal Clinton supporters on this board agrees that this is a false story. This lessens the credibility of Mr. Johnson because I'm sure he knew this. If he didn't he should have.

As you said in one of your posts:
"A lie is started and spread and soon it becomes "reality" with no source known. Not democracy."

Also Mr. Johnson is doing the same thing that you accuse Olbermann of doing.

[papapi]

67. Nonsense, as usual from this OP.

[Evergreen Emerald]

68. lovely. More of the same from you...attack rather than respond

perfect example to prove my point.

[papapi]

139. Thank you.

[Swamp Rat]

72. Aw, don't be so bitter!

:D

[Evergreen Emerald]

74. I thought "bitter" was a good thing.

[Swamp Rat]

76. Yes, when compared to "shrill."

:D

[Evergreen Emerald]

77. oh the irony.

and you don't even know it.

[Swamp Rat]

79. Oh yes, I am quite familiar with "irony" 'cuz I listen to Heavy Metal.

Breaking the law! Breaking the law! :D

[yardwork]

81. Your posting name is lovely. Sapphires and emeralds.

Precious jewels and a garden of flowers. Hillary's supporters here on DU have the prettiest names!

I guess you must all be women!

[Name removed]

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[BlueJac]

87. Sorry, you can't even recognize a true American....

How pathetic.

[Evergreen Emerald]

90. pathetic?

True American? I am sorry, but your credibility is lacking. I have seen what passes for dialog here on DU. I have seen you attempt to completely obliterate a progressive powerful Democratic Senator with lies and distortions.

Olberman is no more "true American" than O'Riley.

How pathetic your damn self.

[newmajority]

95. Never thought I would see a drug peddling terrorist training professional liar quoted on DU

Fuck Larry Johnson and any other CIA criminal shitbags infiltrating the media. The CIA is not now, nor has it ever been, operating in the interests of the American people. They were created by the very same people who funded Adolf Hitler, and who went on to create the "Military Industrial Complex". In other words, the Bush Crime Family and their associates.

[K Gardner]

104. This is the NEW AND IMPROVED DU.. complete w/ RW smears and links. To accomodate

all dozen Clinton apologists left here.

[Evergreen Emerald]

122. why don't you read the article and comment on it rather than attack the messenger?

I noticed that you rarely complain about right wing sources used by Obama supporters.

Your bias is noted. As is your credibility on the issue.

[K Gardner]

126. I wasn't talking to YOU. I didn't bother reading your RW smear article. I could give a flying fig

what a deranged Hillary supporter quoting RW links and hanging out at sick HillaryForums thinks of me.

So take your "issue" to someone who cares.. it ain't me, sweetie.

[matcom]

96. Yay! Yet ANOTHER RW source!!!1

:bounce:

and yet ANTOHER person added to my ignore list for being a freeper!

man it's getting pretty crowded in there

[last1standing]

97. Nothing but disgusting right wing propaganda.

If you're not ashamed of yourself after posting this shit then there is nothing that would embarrass you. You hate Obama, we got that. What amazes everyone is that your hatred is so self consuming that you are willing to get in bed with those who would take away your freedoms, your safety, your financial well-being and your equality.

And when you come back with some lame right wing talking point about Obama being the anti-Christ like they say as hillaryis44.com, we're all just going to be a little more disgusted with your - if that's at all possible. :mad:

[Evergreen Emerald]

98. No. You are wrong. I know it is easier to attack the messenger than it is to look at the issue

but really: read the article. What is right-wing about it?

[newmajority]

112. Larry Johnson is a Bush Crime Family terrorist thug.

Is that not right wing enough for you?

[Joe the Revelator]

105. And the mods here get in such a tizzy when I mention that only RW's support Clinton at this point

If you quote right wing sources, watch right wing news stations, and repeat right wing talking points, then you have become a member of the white wing. Sorry about it, but its the truth.

[golddigger]

108. Kind of fits you to a tee...Oh, Momma MIA.

:evilgrin:

[golddigger]

109. How is old MIA doing nowadays?

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

157. You're going to lecture ME about credibility after posting something from No Quarter?

:rofl:

[zabet]

141. What do you mean by...

"....the white wing."? :eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

156. Freudian slip...I meant "right"

[BlooInBloo]

99. Clinton supporters are so admirable.

[Joe the Revelator]

100. Please link to somewhere that Obama has called Clinton a "cunt,bitch, nutcracker and/or whore....

If not, whats the point of the comparison other then to moan some more about sexism?

[anonymous171]

103. They project all the sexism they have encountered onto Obama.

[VotesForWomen]

136. well, when 90% of it is coming from his supporters, it doesn't reflect well on him. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

116. apparently reading the article is not a prerequisite to commenting about it.

[Joe the Revelator]

158. I don't read shit written by the racists at No Quarter. Your summary was enough.

[Evergreen Emerald]

171. what was racist about that article? It had nothing to do with race.

[Joe the Revelator]

175. Its your sources history that bothers me, and the fact that you're spreading his bullshit on DU

[Evergreen Emerald]

178. look....I have had to put up with bs from a variety of sources on DU

that are not in the least progressive. I have not seen you complain then...it is only when you opinion is questioned that you complain.

[anonymous171]

101. Hey look it's Larry Johnson, the racist republican!

[Joe the Revelator]

102. Seriously, I thought there was a rule against right wing sources here

Did I miss something?

[Bad Thoughts]

106. Lie already debunked ... stop spreading it

At the Obama rally in Desmoines, Obama entered to "City of Blinding Lights", not "99 Problems." This YouTube video shows it. Some intrepid supporter, I'm sure, will link to a video of the entire rally.

[TLM]

107. " words such as bitch, cunt, nutcracker, " Please quote where Obama said these words.

Because Olberman was talking about something Hillary said herself, repeatedly. Not something some supporter said, not something posted on a message board, and not something said in a song.

Hillary has been saying over and over again that she's staying in the race, and listing RFK's assassination as a reason.


Many of her followers seem to see no problem with that.

[ProSense]

110. Oooh, a vile racist responds to Olbermann

In the meantime, we have to watch the equivalent of a papal coronation, as the media and fans exhult in the Obama Messiah, the black Jesus come to save us. But sometime in the next four months, the excitement will fade as the reality of who Obama is comes out.

<...>

Now I know Obamaphiles will simply bend over and stick their head in their neighbor's ass and proclaim the putrid aroma as the heaven-sent breath of God. They will say this means nothing and is just carping.

-- Larry Johnson

The Obama Democrats' Ostrich Moment

This is the racists asshole whose opinion you are proud to promote.




edited typo.

[TLM]

149. This is what hillary and her few remaining supporters are reduced to.

Right wing racist trash... the hillary is perfect echo chamber is getting smaller and smaller.

[proud2BlibKansan]

111. Larry Johnson is a partisan fool.

But I do believe he allows his fans to sign up on his website and post there. Perhaps you would be more comfortable over there. You won't find many LJ fans here. :shrug:

[jefferson_dem]

113. Larry Johnson = Taylor Marsh with testicles.

Total tool. Dismissal.

[smiley_glad_hands]

129. KO rocks. You, not so much. eom

[alteredstate]

130. You really should amend your OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4064438

[smiley_glad_hands]

132. Don't waste your time. They only hear and see what they want.

Damn the facts.

[VotesForWomen]

134. Mr. Olberman is a clown and a dick. nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

137. I guess you feel hurt that hill has lost. Don't shoot the messenger.

Be mad a hill for her epic failures.

[TLM]

150. how very sexist of you....

Just like Hillary's double standards... sexism is OK if you use it to attack a male?

[Philipsanchez]

155. When was Hillary sexist?

I didn't see that.

[Philipsanchez]

153. Olbermann only invites guests who agree with him

He's a clown.

[Perry Logan]

160. Keith is the sports announcer who thought he was Samuel Johnson.

[Name removed]

161. Deleted message

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[Evergreen Emerald]

166. I am not certain your point?

I should be banned for quoting nasty words (as you just did) or for showing an article that supports Clinton and exposes the hypocrisy of some Obama supporters?

You misread the story, by the way. The author said news and print. There is a hate Clinton web site with the acronym of one of the words you quoted.

[madrchsod]

180. i know those words have been used here

and the posters of those words have been "beat up" or banned.

we are not responsible for other boards or news organizations.

i love it when an argument is not linked to any source///

[Dinger]

163. K & R

:hi: :kick:

[Elspeth]

172. Some of Obama's fans can dish it out--but they can't take it.

That's why they read Obama assassination attempts into a mention Robert Kennedy (near the 40th anniversary of his assassination), but insist that Clinton supporters not get upset by the b-word, the c-word and every other vile anti-female expression they can come up with.


They're basically the p-word. :)

[madrchsod]

179. any other right wing website you`d like to link to?

pathetic....

....."are you concerned that words such as bitch, cunt, nutcracker, and whore are used to describe Senator Clinton both in print and in primetime “political discussions?” Are you concerned there are no crossover words for Senators McCain or Obama?"

really pathetic....

[question everything]

183. Olbermann and his nasty men from Newsweek are the same as O'Reilly

with whom he is so obsessed, and Hannity and the rest of them.

I stopped watching his program when I realized that he is just as predictable as the Fox people. Nothing original, nothing thoughtful just following Rush Limpdick in trashing Hillary, all these men feel their balls shriveling (that something "crawling up their legs") just thinking about strong, intelligent and capable woman.

It is any wonder that Olbermann is shacking with a woman half his age? The constant need for a young thing to caress his ego?

[Gore1FL]

184. Yes We Can

[Citizen_Penn]

185. Oh my goodness

who hurt you so badly that you must spew so much hate?

I feel genuinely sorry for you.

And now will have to ignore you along with so many others like you blinded by your own pain.

Good Bye.