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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:02 PM
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We don't "owe" the Clintons a damn thing.
We do not need to plead with them, understand them, forgive them, or tolerate them. They didn't win the nomination and by refusing to leave gracefully are proving to be gigantic obstacles not just Obama but to every Democratic candidate on the ticket in November, and that's every single House representative.

We may or may not like the Clintons but we do not owe them anything. They've had their day in the sun and they've collected their dirty millions and they need to go, NOW, by any means necessary.

Sorry Clinton fans, but that's politics. :mad:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:03 PM
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1. they owe US for the time and energy they've robbed with their little side show
:grr:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:10 PM
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11. What about their damage: Telecom Act of '96, MF trade status for China, NAFTA, banking mergers
They profitted GROSSLY for their role in assisting the GOP take over.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:12 PM
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12. yeah, excellent points--that too (nt)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:53 PM
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109. What Bull - but it shows that Hillary supporters owe Obama Fan's Dem Party nada
Edited on Mon May-26-08 09:54 PM by papau
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:00 AM
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148. Tell that to all those who lost their jobs overseas and the test of us who suffered
from the propaganda from media consolidation (think: 2000 sELECTION, Iraq War propaganda)
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:04 PM
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2. Great post! They have zero right to make claim to anything
Screw them and their fucking strong arm politics. Hillary is done and Bill has reduced himself to a common low life.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:52 PM
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117. but they have to do as the Bushes say
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:04 PM
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3. You got that right!

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:09 PM
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9. Good grief I hadn't seen that
but it doesn't get any clearer does it? They are bad news all around and this is one year we really can't afford to be skunked by the Clinton stink.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:12 PM
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13. Anybody still think that the Clinton's are Democrats after seeing this info? NOT n/t
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:58 PM
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91. Hell yes.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:04 PM
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104. They are democrats you people are not.
Your Freepers in skunk clothing
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:17 PM
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114. Democrats are long overdue in disavowing much of Clinton's economic policies.
" They erroneously feel they must leave his legacy untarnished if they are to regain the confidence of voters. The opposite is true: they absolutely must educate the public, including many Democrats, about who destroyed working-class incomes through globalization—Republicans and conservative Democrats."



http://www.kellysite.net/modrep.html
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:04 AM
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147. "They are democrats you people are not."
Touche. Another four years of Bush 41 would've been so much more preferable to them.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:08 AM
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34. And it's taken 7 years to come back
Edited on Mon May-26-08 06:09 AM by davidpdx
from those devastating losses:

236/199 US House
49/49/2 US Senate (this doesn't include Lieberman the defector Republican since he is not technically a Democrat)
28/22 US Governors

We still need to make big gains in the US Senate.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:44 PM
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131. And it was Dean that did the hard work to rebuild from the ground up
McAuliff didn't do the overall party any favors, but the DLC was plenty happy.

Am so glad that Bill/Hill got that $110M they so richly deserved after leaving office. A couple of vanity books and non-stop yakking sure must be tiring.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:05 PM
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4. Oh, you got that right... they owe us but
I'd settle for them just get the fook outta Dodge.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:05 PM
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5. Thats the absolute truth, now lets get rid of them for once and for all...
They have enough money to get lost in the sunset, so please let them do just that. Oh by the way Bill, I was stupid enough to buy one of your books and really would like nothing less than returning it to you... Sorry, I don't like you or your book or you wife.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:18 PM
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99. Thats why we need to support Librarys
So we don't need to buy the crap these so called authors are peddling.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:07 PM
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6. When did it become that we owe Politians anything
I thought it was called Public Service i.e. you serve the Public not the other way around.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:08 PM
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7. And you get paid a damn good fee for doing just that as well.... Hey, nothing wrong with...
Edited on Sun May-25-08 10:11 PM by LakeSamish706
$109 million for 8 years work uhhhh, and BJ's to.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:15 PM
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14. Politicians
I have no idea when the whole public owing politicians something, but I just wanted to say that I find the whole idea of voters owing a politician anything very disturbing. The whole idea of voters owing a politician something weakens democracy
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:36 PM
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40. Because Bill said so - Shame, you aren't listening
From a CNN post today:

Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to "push and pressure and bully" superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

...The former president added that his wife had not been given the respect she deserved as a legitimate presidential candidate.

"She is winning the general election today and he is not, according to all the evidence," Clinton said. "And I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."


We have not yet given her "the respect she deserved."

So come on folks, after her performance on Friday, we should all give Hillary the due respect she has earned and urge our Senators to censure her.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:22 PM
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67. Pressure SDs? Like Chelsea repeatedly phoning "But why won't you support my mother? Why? Why?
Several recipients of Chelsea's phone calls said they were the worst calls they'd ever received.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:02 PM
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73. Unfortunately, the respect she has earned
Is neither lawful nor ethical, so I can't recommend it. Something about tar and feathers...
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:09 PM
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8. I agree.
Particularly after NAFTA and all of the other examples of Bill bending over to the repukes. One of the most important failures of Bill can be seen in our outlandish media today.

Still, because of their so-called "legacy," many Dems have defended them for years because of what the Clintons SAY they stand for. However, they have shown themselves to be unconcerned with the well-being of the Democratic party and its members and only concerned with their own continued political power. So THIS member of the Democratic party is no longer "concerned" with them and their political well-being, either. For what that is worth.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:10 PM
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10. Rec'd n/t
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:22 PM
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15. After this disgusting campaign...
...the Clintons are a useless, inflamed appendage with no useful purpose to our country.

It's official, the Clintons are the appendix of the body politic.

Let us hope for an emergency Clintonectomy--so we can begin the healing, process the pain
and move the hell on from this nightmare.
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:04 PM
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94. Clintonectomy
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :applause: :yourock:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:27 PM
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16. Don't we at least owe them a kick in the ass? n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:33 PM
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20. Yes, that we owe them.
A nice swift kick.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:29 PM
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17. As a Clinton supporter, I don't owe you the wax out of my left ear.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:30 PM
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18. Fail. n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:11 PM
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27. Whoever you are, you don't get to pass out a grade.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:54 PM
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50. I donated. Where's your star? I have more right to pass out a grade than you do, cheapskate. n/t
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:08 AM
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137. How fucking ELITIST of you. n/t
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:31 PM
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58. Yes, Fail. It's time for Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton to end!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:30 PM
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19. Correct.
But I wouldn't let it build up. :hi:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:06 PM
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24. Nobody was asking you for anything.
:)

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:10 PM
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26. Just in case. Just to clear the air. And just because I felt like saying it..
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:36 AM
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38. FAIL. n/t
n/t
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:57 PM
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90. Pass!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:42 PM
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39. HUBRIS
pride goeth before a fall. Too bad you don't realize what I'm talking about.
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:56 PM
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88. You would think they would have seen the best modern day example in Bush and been more careful.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:09 AM
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140. Instead they've followed the Bush/Rove strategy and, in fact, done WORSE. n/t
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:01 PM
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21. The Clintons were BEATEN.
That's right, we don't have to do any kind of a deal with them. We won.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:03 PM
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22. I vote yes on the OP.
K&R

:D
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:04 PM
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23. I don't "owe" any politician a damned thing. n/t
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:07 PM
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25. Bye Clintons, I wish you could take NAFTA with ya.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:25 AM
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28. And they could never pay what they owe us.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:34 AM
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29. Absolutely 100% correct.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:54 AM
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30. How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!
The awesome Clinton record:

longest economic expansion in American history--a record 115 months of economic expansion
More than 22 million new jobs: more than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration
Highest home ownership in American history
Made the Federal government smaller (a feat matched only by Harry Truman; if you like small government, vote Democratic)
Lowest unemployment in 30 years: unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000; unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women was the lowest in more than 40 years
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
Lowest crime rate in 26 years.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels: after falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation; all income brackets experienced double-digit growth; the bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years: the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent in 1999--the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union: efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt: under Clinton, we were on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009; what a difference a stolen election makes...
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Lowest government spending in three decades
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
More families owned stock than ever before
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: Republicans really chew the rug when you mention this one, so it's worth repeating constantly
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years
Highest Home ownership Rate on Record
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty
Largest Surplus Ever
Lower Federal Government Spending: after increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy was cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000--the lowest level since 1966
The Most U.S. Exports Ever: between 1992 and 2000, U.S. exports of goods and services grew by 74 percent, or nearly $500 billion, to top $1 trillion for the first time
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: inflation was at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, down from 4.6 percent during the previous administration
The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent
The poverty rate for single mothers was the lowest ever
The African American and elderly poverty rates dropped to their lowest level on record
The Hispanic poverty rate dropped to its lowest level since 1979
Lowest Poverty Rate for Single Mothers on Record: under President Clinton, the poverty rate for families with single mothers fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 35.7 percent in 1999, the lowest level on record
Smallest Welfare Rolls Since 1969: between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 billion (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people
Lowest Federal Income Tax Burden in 35 Years: Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family dropped to their lowest level in 35 years
Higher Incomes even after Taxes and Inflation: real after-tax incomes grew by an average of 2.6 percent per year for the lower-income half of taxpayers between 1993 and 1997, while growing by an average of 1.0 percent between 1981 and 1993
AGAINST TERRORISM

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/clinton.html
ON THE ENVIRONMENT
Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order on Environmental Justice to ensure that low-income citizens and minorities do not suffer a disproportionate burden of industrial pollution. Launched pilot projects in low-income communities across the country to redevelop contaminated sites into useable space, create jobs and enhance community development.

President Bill Clinton sought permanent funding of $1.4 billion a year through the Lands Legacy initiative to expand federal efforts to save America's natural treasures and provide significant new resources to states and communities to protect local green spaces and protect ocean and coastal resources. Won $652 million for Lands Legacy in the FY 2000 budget, a 42 percent increase.

Launched effort to protect over 40 million acres of "roadless areas," which include some of America's last wild places. Dramatically improved management of our national forests with an ambitious new science-based agenda that places greater emphasis on recreation, wildlife and water quality, while reforming logging practices to ensure steady, sustainable supplies of timber and jobs. Balanced the preservation of old-growth stands with the economic needs of timber-dependent communities through the Pacific Northwest Forest Plan.

Adopted a uniform tailpipe standard to passenger cars, SUVs and other light-duty trucks, producing cars that are 77 percent cleaner -- and light-duty trucks up to 95 percent cleaner -- than those on the road today. Set new standard to reduce average sulfur levels in gasoline by up to 90 percent. Once fully implemented in 2030, these measures will prevent 43,000 premature deaths and 173,000 cases of childhood respiratory illness each year, and reduce emissions by the equivalent to removing 164 million cars from the road.

# Approved strong new clean air standards for soot and smog that could prevent up to 15,000 premature deaths a year and improve the lives of millions of Americans who suffer from respiratory illnesses. Defending the standards against legal assaults by polluters.

# Accelerating Toxic Waste Cleanups. Completed cleanup at 515 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as the previous two administrations, with cleanup of more than 90 percent of all sites either completed or in progress. Secured $1.4 billion in FY 2000 to continue progress toward cleaning up 900 Superfund sites by 2002.

# Providing Safe Drinking Water: Proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act and ensure that our families have healthy clean tap water. Required America's 55,000 water utility companies to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water.

# Established EPA's Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) that provides grants to States to finance priority drinking water projects that meet Clean Water Act mandates. To date, the DWSRFs have provided $1.9 billion in loans to communities.

# Awarded nearly $200 million in Department of Agriculture (USDA) loans and grants for over 100 safe drinking water projects in rural areas of 40 states. USDA grants and loans target rural communities plagued by some of the nation's worst water quality and dependability problems.

# Expanded Safe Drinking Water Act protections to protect 40 million additional Americans in small communities from potentially dangerous microbes, including Cryptosporidium, in their drinking water.

# Ensuring Clean Water. Launched the Clean Water Action Plan to help clean up the 40 percent of America's surveyed waterways still too polluted for fishing and swimming. Secured $3.9 billion since 1998, a 16 percent increase, to help states, communities and landowners in reducing polluted runoff, enhancing natural resource stewardship, improving citizens' right to know, and protecting public health.

# Strengthening Communities' Right to Know. Strengthened the public's right to know about chemicals released into their air and water by partnering with the chemical industry and the environmental community in an effort to provide complete data on the potential health risks of the 2,800 most widely used chemicals. Nearly doubled the number of chemicals that industry must report to communities, while expanding the number of facilities that must report by 30 percent.

# Expanded the community right to know about releases of 27 persistent bio-accumulative toxins (including mercury, dioxin, and PCBs). These highly toxic chemicals are especially risky because they do not break down easily and are known to accumulate in the human body.

# Secured $83 million in FY 2000 for two major new efforts to restore salmon in the Pacific Northwest: $58 million for the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund, which provides resources for states and tribes to protect and rebuild salmon stocks; and $25 million to implement the historic Pacific Salmon Treaty with Canada, which established two regional funds to improve fisheries management and enhance bilateral scientific cooperation between the two countries and provides funding to buy back fishing permits in Washington.
# Expanding Wildlife Refuges. Added 57,000 acres, including lands along the last free-flowing section of the Columbia River, to the Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge to protect salmon habitat in Washington.

# Forging Partnerships to Protect Habitat. Completed 255 major Habitat Conservation Plans (HCPs), compared to 14 before the Administration took office, to protect more than 20 million acres of private land and over 170 threatened and endangered species. These voluntary agreements protect habitat while providing landowners the certainty they need to effectively manage their lands.

# Strengthening Protections for Wildlife. Signed legislation that strengthens protections for wildlife by mandating that the most important use of our nation's wildlife refuges is giving refuge to migratory birds and other animals reliant on this rich system of natural habitat.

Protecting our Oceans and Coasts

# Creating Comprehensive Oceans Policy. Directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations. Convened a National Ocean Conference in June 1998 that brought together government experts, business executives, scientists, environmentalists, elected officials and the public to examine opportunities and challenges in restoring and protecting our ocean resources.

# Strengthening Our National Marine Sanctuaries. Secured a funding increase of over 100% to better support national marine sanctuaries -- homes to coral reefs, kelp forests, humpback whales, and loggerhead turtles. Supporting the five-year Sustainable Seas Expeditions to explore, study and document ways to better protect underwater resources.

# Preserving Coral Reefs. Issued an Executive Order to expand protection of coral reefs and their ecosystems to address issues of coral reef management, expansion of marine protected areas and increased protections for coral reef species.

# Protecting Marine Mammals. Led negotiations resulting in a multilateral agreement to protect dolphins in the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean. Issued new standards to protect the endangered northern right whale from injuries from ships by instituting a first-ever ship reporting requirement in two areas of right whale critical habitat. Fought for creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, an area of more than 12 million square miles off the coast of Antarctica.

# Banning Ocean Dumping of Toxic Waste. Led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. The U.S. was the first nuclear power to advocate the ban.

Introduced "Better America Bonds" to generate $10.75 billion in bond authority over five years to preserve open space, improve water quality and clean up abandoned and contaminated properties known as brownfields. Local communities can work together in partnerships with land trust groups, environmentalists, business leaders and others to develop innovative solutions to their community's development challenges.

# Provided leadership critical to successful negotiation of the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible.

# Investing in Clean Energy Research. Won more than $1 billion in FY 1999 and in FY 2000 for the Climate Change Technology Initiative, a program of clean energy research and development that will save energy and consumers money. Extended the tax credits for wind and biomass energy production through 2001, reducing emissions and reliance on imported oil.

# Growing Clean Energy Technologies. Issued an Executive Order to coordinate federal efforts to spur the development and use of bio-based technologies, which can convert crops, trees and other "biomass" into a vast array of fuels and materials. Set a goal of tripling our use of bioenergy and bioproducts by 2010 to reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions by up to 100 million tons a year -- the equivalent of taking 70 million cars off the road.

# Improving Scientific Understanding. Increased funding for the United States Global Change Research Program to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth's climate system. This record research budget continues strong support for the "Carbon Cycle Initiative" begun last year to improve our understanding of the role of farms, forests, and other natural or managed lands in capturing carbon.

# Energy Efficiency Standards for Appliances. Issued new energy efficiency standards for refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers, freezers and room air conditioners that will save consumers money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil. The new standards will cut the average appliance's energy usage by 30 percent and save more than seven quadrillion BTUs of energy over the next 30 years, more than seven times the annual energy consumption of the entire state of Arkansas.

# Promoting federal Energy Efficiency. Issued an Executive Order directing federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year. Forged new partnerships with industry to develop and promote energy-saving cars, homes and consumer products with the potential to save Americans hundreds of millions of dollars in energy bills and significantly curb greenhouse gas pollution.
http://www.environmentalcaucus.org/gore.html

PS: What about corruption?

Forget about it. As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations, Clinton's was the cleanest administration since Teddy Roosevelt.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:02 AM
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32. What's sharper? How about a death sentence to hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and their children?
How about voting NO on banning cluster bombs. I bet those fuckers are sharp as hell. How about her husband starving children at home and abroad?


FUCK THE CLINTONS.

MAY THEY GET BACK EVERYTHING THEY HAVE EVER GIVEN.



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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:42 PM
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70. So to you, Bush's War is actually the Clintons'?? Interesting.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:13 PM
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98. I think the poster is referring to the sanctions
on food and medicine that continued to be kept in place after GW1. Approx. 500,000 children died in Iraq during those years due to largely preventable causes, ie: hunger and untreated childhood illness. When asked her opinion of the deaths, Clinton surrogate Madeline Albright said that 'It was all worth it'.

This war has really been one big hot-cold-hot gulf war with Bill presiding over the cold part. People died because of his (in)action as well as from the action of the Bushes.
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:41 PM
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41. Thank you for all the bandwidth of your BILL Clinton opinions
While they might be relevant to a history class, Hillary has oft reminded us that it is HER experience, and only HER experience upon which she wishes to be judged.

So while your post is an excellent demonstration of cut-n-paste, it is meaningless to this discussion.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:32 PM
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101. No, Bill claimed that with Hillary, "You get two presidents for the price of one"
Even though it's hard to believe that Bill would tell the truth, there is the possibility he would hold true to that.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:48 PM
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46. bill is running for president?
i thought this was 2008....but i must be wrong.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:49 PM
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47. And Bill Clinton couldn't keep his damn fly zipped
and cost Democrats MASSIVE losses in all branches of government.

Now he can't keep his damn mouth shut for the good of the party.

I, for one, don't want his open fly and open mouth wandering around the White House a second time!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:42 PM
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71. Please.
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #47
86. With a record like that I'd let him have his way with me if he wanted!
Geez, you guys need to lighten up.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:08 AM
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138. He can't keep his fly zipped now, either: Belinda Stronach. n/t
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:49 PM
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63. So you admit that what you really want is a third term for Bill?
All that bragging about Bill Clinton's accomplishments only emphasizes how you Hillary supporters are really hoping to exploit a loophole that would enable a third term for Bill Clinton.

There were two governors in American history who successfully pulled off the underhanded stunt of putting their wives in office in their places in order to win extra terms beyond what the law permitted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Ferguson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

Do you really want a US President to get away with that same shallow, unethical trick? How can we brag to other nations about our great democracy if we allow it to be openly abused like this?
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:40 PM
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80. King Lear was crazy
And the "child" was doing what was right.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:41 PM
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81. Thank you for this.
Sadly, the kids didn't pay attention during english lit, so both your tuition and your quote are both somewhat wasted.
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:44 PM
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83. You know Perry, I knew some ot this but never cataloged it like you have!!!!
Thank you so much for reminding me why I loved Bill so much and loathed what the Republicans tried to do to him.

As for the rest of you, you seem content to be self-righteous to the point of losing what should be an easy election. You can take Obama to November, but the train will stop their with only you and yours on board.

The goal must be to Win in November.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:11 PM
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97. Bill Clinton's administration has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Hillary Clinton.
So your (long) point is completely moot.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:30 PM
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100. Blah Blah Blah
Gave us NAFTA
Gave us Unlabled GMO Foods.
Gave us Factory Farms and more unhealthy food.
Allowed WTC 1993 attack.
Continued Herbicide Spraying in Columbia on our dime.
Gave us Corporate Insiders in the USDA and FDA
Chief of Staff murder/suicide
Peter Paul
Mike Espy
Repeal of Glass/Steagal
Used stupid what the menaing of Is Is.
Abused his power in attempt to hide a sexual tryst instead of "Coming Clean".
Pardoned BUSH
Too Close to Bush
Too Similar to Bush
Smells like Bush
DLC Stooge
ADFA

I can go on and on Perry, but thats a short list of why they both suck and shouldn't even be near politics

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SanchoPanza Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:04 PM
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111. He's mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf
A horse's health, a boy's love, or a whore's oath.

I like inappropriate literary metaphors, too.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:50 PM
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116. While I appreciate the Efficiency Standards for Appliances...
the terrorism malarkey is a little hard to stomach. And by the way, he did not "stop cold" the FBI-sting "terror" attack on the WTC in 1993, he didn't stop OKC in '95, and he didn't stop the FBI from slaughtering scores of women and children at Waco.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:10 AM
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149. You forgot the bit about the aspirin factory
Rush will be disappointed.

If you don't see Clinton's accomplishments regarding terror prevention, go to Anaheim, then go to New York. In Anaheim there's a big amusement park. In New York there's a crater. The reason is because Clinton's customs department caught Ahmed Ressam as he brought a carload of bomb making materials from Canada. Bush couldn't catch 12 Saudis in a US flight school.

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:55 AM
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31. And now Hillary's fantastic record...
Edited on Mon May-26-08 05:56 AM by Perry Logan
A simple thank-you will suffice.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House :

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.

some points on her legal career:

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.


Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971 Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (L)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (W)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07



When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. She voted and supported bush in his illegal war.
That cancels out your whole list.


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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
43. exactly!
It was a morally reprehensible, calculating vote. Her campaign has further revealed her sick soul and narcissistic, sociopathic personality.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. I second your exactly! n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #48
68. welcome to DU
:hi:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:01 PM
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121. Thanks!
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #35
96. Indeed.
Q: How does the number of people she helped by casting all those votes compare with the number of people who were killed because of her one IWR vote?

A: It doesn't matter. If ONE person died because of the illegal bloodbath she and her husband supported, it renders everything else she's ever done meaningless.
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
44. More wasted bandwidth
"supported the interest of" is about as subjective as one can get.

While your subjective list is longer than KO's list, it doesn't include as many facts.

Hillary's major governmental accomplishment of the 1990's was to alienate anyone and everyone who did not bow 100% to her "My Way or the Highway" approach to Health Care.

Her current methodology of campaigning demonstrates the same approach, including just hanging around in case something catastrophic might happen to the party's choice for President.

Have a joyous Memorial Day.
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. More wasted bandwidth
"supported the interest of" is about as subjective as one can get.

While your subjective list is longer than KO's list, it doesn't include as many facts.

Hillary's major governmental accomplishment of the 1990's was to alienate anyone and everyone who did not bow 100% to her "My Way or the Highway" approach to Health Care.

Her current methodology of campaigning demonstrates the same approach, including just hanging around in case something catastrophic might happen to the party's choice for President.

Have a joyous Memorial Day.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
56. Can you say the word "SPAM". Damn.
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UP_4012 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #31
60. Wow amazing list....
Edited on Mon May-26-08 05:40 PM by UP_4012
but it is canceled out by the IWR, her husband's baggage, and lets not forget her disgusting campaign.
RIP, the Clinton legacy, :nopity:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #31
84. Guess the Obama kids can live without all those things
Their choice.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #31
118. All the corporate PR money can buy.
Here's the actual record:

CLINTON:

- NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

- YES on Bankruptcy bill (S.256) which stripped protections for people in debt.

- YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran.

- YES on the Iraq War Resolution.

- Refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.


OBAMA:

- YES on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

- NO on Bankruptcy bill (S.256) which stripped protections for people in debt.

- Drafted legislation stating that Congress did not grant President Bush the authority to attack Iran, either through the Kyl-Lieberman amendment or any resolution previously adopted.

- Vigorously opposed the Iraq War and took a public stand against the Iraq War Resolution

- Signed the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:03 AM
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33. MAY THEY GET BACK EVERYTHING THEY HAVE EVER GIVEN.
It's that simple.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:54 AM
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36. IWR
eom
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #36
52. Even worse
IWR AND Kyl/LIEberman
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:35 AM
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37. No politicians are owed anything -- they are always supposed to serve us. n/t
n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:45 PM
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42. the party does`t owe them anything
Edited on Mon May-26-08 04:45 PM by madrchsod
they can work to get obama or congress members elected . if they choose not to --who cares
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:53 PM
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49. And we Obama even less.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:58 PM
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51. Bite the bullet. Grab the bull by the horns. Loose her hard core voters if we must, but it is
really time to get this show on the roll and go for it.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:02 PM
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53. No. Politics will be when she is put on the ticket
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #53
75. Excuse me? After the "assassination" remarks?
Why the F**ck would any Democrat want her near the Obama White House? A restraining order would be more appropriate than a spot on the ticket.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:02 PM
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54. She's owed a fair shot at getting the Dem nod.
She got it. She lost.

Now it's her responsibility to get behind the winner and offer her full-throated support.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:03 PM
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55. All my political debts to the Clintons were paid off long ago
when I went to bat for Clinton time after time during the impeachment crap.

Stupid asshole couldn't just keep his dick in his pants and the entire party paid the price for it.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:08 PM
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57. 108 million dollars isn't bad.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:36 PM
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59. They've become an albatross and caricatures of themselves. n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:42 PM
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61. The Clintons owe US a debt they can never repay.
They are parasites, both of them, and they have taken from the Democratic party while giving nothing back in return.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:46 PM
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62. Go away Clintons
Go far, far away.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. "HRC - The campaign hangs on...and waits."
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:02 PM
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65. Wow..."by any means neccesary?" Now unlike what Hillary said that is a real threat of violence
And of course we don't owe them anything. That's not how it works in politics...the voters never "owe" politicians. But as a Democrat I am very grateful that Bill Clinton was president since he was a great one IMO.

As for "forgiving" them....that is a non-applicable term. The Clintons don't require forgiveness and they haven't asked for it. Nor should she. She ran for president and it looks like she won't win--end of story. It's the same story as John Edwards and Mitt Romney, except she came a lot closer. Obama is going to be the first nominee since I can remember to win the nomination without winning a majority of PDs. There is no reason why she should drop out before he has secured the delegates needed to wrap up the nomination. The arrogant attitude that somehow there is more to it then that is what makes Obama so infuriating to so many. It's one of the reasons why I can't imagine he will win. Clinton supporters don't like being told that we did something wrong by continuing to support her candidacy after you guys declared the race over. Nor do we share your view of Hillary's supposedly bad actions.

As for tolerating them...I'm afraid you are wrong. Barack is going to need a lot of help from Hillary in order to get elected. Hating that fact doesn't make it stop being true. Even Obama knows it's true.

Steve

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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
85. Right on brother...
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #65
102. Take your disabled profile and your non donating ass to a Hillary site then
You try to hide how long you've been here, (sorry bro it is real easy to figure out the exact date) and you do not contribute here, so why do you continue to spin Hillary? Just askin' Steve. WHY ARE YOU HERE? Shouldn't you be someplace more productive to your POV?

Again why post adversarial and contrary points on DU? Do you think you will change our minds? Your continued posting is odd. Very odd. Much like your candidate. ODD!
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #102
106. Ummm....because this is a place for all Democrats? And the board rules allow Hillary supporters
to be here? Maybe those rules should be changed. Although if Barack wins the nomination I think that he might want a few Hillary supporters to stick around. You know...win a majority in November and all that.

I spin Hillary because I love her. I think she is everything a public servant should be.

Steve
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:42 PM
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107. You are a sad sack
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Wow...I like someone who you don't so I'm pathetic and worthless. That's just the kind of message
that can be counted on to win this thing for Barack in November. And you know what? People are hearing it more and more. And they don't like it. All those people....they get to vote.

Steve
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #108
112. Go Shit in Your Bed Honey Nobody Cares what You Think
Just go away. Really. Take your Tintanic and go away.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #112
124. Sorry, I think I'll stay. (eom)
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #124
145. Waste of DU Bandwidth
But you are not paying so who cares right?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #106
132. Thats why you're voting for McCain huh? You're as transparent as they come. n/t
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:13 PM
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66. it may be politics, but I'm pretty sure your post is devoid of any political tact!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:41 PM
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69. There are some governors and mayors who disagree with you.
Edited on Mon May-26-08 06:41 PM by WinkyDink
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:59 PM
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72. Not "by any means necessary."
By any lawful and ethical means. Otherwise, we might as well be Republicans (shudder!).

I'd like for all the remaining undeclared supers to declare for Obama before the meeting this Saturday, so it'll be over, and the Clintons will have no remaining "pathways" to the nomination. I don't want to see the party blackmailed into a floor fight in Denver.

If that were to happen, we might as well concede to McCain now, and save a lot of money on TV ads.

That's the part of the 1968 capaign that Hillary didn't reference last Friday: the convention was ugly and violent, and Nixon was elected. I don't want to see any part of that repeated.

And, by the way? I'll never vote for Feinstein again, either. That woman is as bad as Hillary.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:03 PM
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74. Then don't ask Bill to help you
and don't ask their supporters to vote for your candidate.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:14 PM
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76. The only thing I owe the Clintons is my middle finger salute
When she concedes and they fade away (I hope), the World will be a better place.

The Clintons are only providing the Democratic Party with damage and negative coat tails. Do we need a ball and chain on our Party?
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:38 PM
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77. Hypocrites!
"by any means necessary"

Obama will lose without Clinton as will Clinton without Obama. Politics makes strange bedfellows or losers. I prefer to be impure and win.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:39 PM
Response to Original message
78. Funny. I always thought politics was getting people to vote for your guy.
I guess I'm just old school.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #78
82. Don't you know? "Its the new populism"
You get all your friends to support the hip new candidate, call everyone else a racist, then cry and stomp your feet and blame your opponent when you lose the election.

Not sure, maybe this is something they get from being addicted to video / computer games.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #82
103. You are showing your age
Edited on Mon May-26-08 08:44 PM by Grinchie
Talking like a pedagogue only makes you look like an Old Fool OzarkDem.

Lol Video games.. Thats rich.

Like getting diminished by someone from the Industrial Age would make a difference.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:40 PM
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79. They owe me a fucking apology.
yes they do.
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #79
93. For what, pray tell...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. For exploiting the divisions in this country
instead of attempting to heal them.

I'm Black, so my memory is long. I don't forget what happened last week this week. I'm sure some will, in particular if what was said and done doesn't reflect on them directly.

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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #95
105. Wouldn't you say that claiming that the Clinton's are racists or at least...
demanding that that stop, puts Obama in the divisive camp?

Putting the Clintons in with McCain, Limbaugh and the Republicans in general does not show a good memory of what happened to the Clintons in the 90's, nor what happened period.

I would love to have a woman or man, black or white, or any other ethnicity, as president. However, I think you would agree that Alan Keyes would not be a good choice. So it does matter what they stand for and what they would do.

I saw this earlier tonight and was blown away. As I read it I said to myself over and over again, oh yea I remember that. I hope Perry Logan does not mind my sharing from his comment...and that this does not break some kind of DU rule, but look at this...

The awesome Clinton record:

longest economic expansion in American history--a record 115 months of economic expansion
More than 22 million new jobs: more than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration
Highest home ownership in American history
Made the Federal government smaller (a feat matched only by Harry Truman; if you like small government, vote Democratic)
Lowest unemployment in 30 years: unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000; unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women was the lowest in more than 40 years
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
Lowest crime rate in 26 years.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels: after falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation; all income brackets experienced double-digit growth; the bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years: the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent in 1999--the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union: efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt: under Clinton, we were on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009; what a difference a stolen election makes...
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Lowest government spending in three decades
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
More families owned stock than ever before
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: Republicans really chew the rug when you mention this one, so it's worth repeating constantly
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years
Highest Home ownership Rate on Record
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty
Largest Surplus Ever
Lower Federal Government Spending: after increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy was cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000--the lowest level since 1966
The Most U.S. Exports Ever: between 1992 and 2000, U.S. exports of goods and services grew by 74 percent, or nearly $500 billion, to top $1 trillion for the first time
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: inflation was at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, down from 4.6 percent during the previous administration
The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent
The poverty rate for single mothers was the lowest ever
The African American and elderly poverty rates dropped to their lowest level on record
The Hispanic poverty rate dropped to its lowest level since 1979
Lowest Poverty Rate for Single Mothers on Record: under President Clinton, the poverty rate for families with single mothers fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 35.7 percent in 1999, the lowest level on record
Smallest Welfare Rolls Since 1969: between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 billion (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people
Lowest Federal Income Tax Burden in 35 Years: Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family dropped to their lowest level in 35 years
Higher Incomes even after Taxes and Inflation: real after-tax incomes grew by an average of 2.6 percent per year for the lower-income half of taxpayers between 1993 and 1997, while growing by an average of 1.0 percent between 1981 and 1993
AGAINST TERRORISM

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/clinton.html
ON THE ENVIRONMENT
Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order on Environmental Justice to ensure that low-income citizens and minorities do not suffer a disproportionate burden of industrial pollution. Launched pilot projects in low-income communities across the country to redevelop contaminated sites into useable space, create jobs and enhance community development.

President Bill Clinton sought permanent funding of $1.4 billion a year through the Lands Legacy initiative to expand federal efforts to save America's natural treasures and provide significant new resources to states and communities to protect local green spaces and protect ocean and coastal resources. Won $652 million for Lands Legacy in the FY 2000 budget, a 42 percent increase.

Launched effort to protect over 40 million acres of "roadless areas," which include some of America's last wild places. Dramatically improved management of our national forests with an ambitious new science-based agenda that places greater emphasis on recreation, wildlife and water quality, while reforming logging practices to ensure steady, sustainable supplies of timber and jobs. Balanced the preservation of old-growth stands with the economic needs of timber-dependent communities through the Pacific Northwest Forest Plan.

Adopted a uniform tailpipe standard to passenger cars, SUVs and other light-duty trucks, producing cars that are 77 percent cleaner -- and light-duty trucks up to 95 percent cleaner -- than those on the road today. Set new standard to reduce average sulfur levels in gasoline by up to 90 percent. Once fully implemented in 2030, these measures will prevent 43,000 premature deaths and 173,000 cases of childhood respiratory illness each year, and reduce emissions by the equivalent to removing 164 million cars from the road.

# Approved strong new clean air standards for soot and smog that could prevent up to 15,000 premature deaths a year and improve the lives of millions of Americans who suffer from respiratory illnesses. Defending the standards against legal assaults by polluters.

# Accelerating Toxic Waste Cleanups. Completed cleanup at 515 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as the previous two administrations, with cleanup of more than 90 percent of all sites either completed or in progress. Secured $1.4 billion in FY 2000 to continue progress toward cleaning up 900 Superfund sites by 2002.

# Providing Safe Drinking Water: Proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act and ensure that our families have healthy clean tap water. Required America's 55,000 water utility companies to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water.

# Established EPA's Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) that provides grants to States to finance priority drinking water projects that meet Clean Water Act mandates. To date, the DWSRFs have provided $1.9 billion in loans to communities.

# Awarded nearly $200 million in Department of Agriculture (USDA) loans and grants for over 100 safe drinking water projects in rural areas of 40 states. USDA grants and loans target rural communities plagued by some of the nation's worst water quality and dependability problems.

# Expanded Safe Drinking Water Act protections to protect 40 million additional Americans in small communities from potentially dangerous microbes, including Cryptosporidium, in their drinking water.

# Ensuring Clean Water. Launched the Clean Water Action Plan to help clean up the 40 percent of America's surveyed waterways still too polluted for fishing and swimming. Secured $3.9 billion since 1998, a 16 percent increase, to help states, communities and landowners in reducing polluted runoff, enhancing natural resource stewardship, improving citizens' right to know, and protecting public health.

# Strengthening Communities' Right to Know. Strengthened the public's right to know about chemicals released into their air and water by partnering with the chemical industry and the environmental community in an effort to provide complete data on the potential health risks of the 2,800 most widely used chemicals. Nearly doubled the number of chemicals that industry must report to communities, while expanding the number of facilities that must report by 30 percent.

# Expanded the community right to know about releases of 27 persistent bio-accumulative toxins (including mercury, dioxin, and PCBs). These highly toxic chemicals are especially risky because they do not break down easily and are known to accumulate in the human body.

# Secured $83 million in FY 2000 for two major new efforts to restore salmon in the Pacific Northwest: $58 million for the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund, which provides resources for states and tribes to protect and rebuild salmon stocks; and $25 million to implement the historic Pacific Salmon Treaty with Canada, which established two regional funds to improve fisheries management and enhance bilateral scientific cooperation between the two countries and provides funding to buy back fishing permits in Washington.
# Expanding Wildlife Refuges. Added 57,000 acres, including lands along the last free-flowing section of the Columbia River, to the Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge to protect salmon habitat in Washington.

# Forging Partnerships to Protect Habitat. Completed 255 major Habitat Conservation Plans (HCPs), compared to 14 before the Administration took office, to protect more than 20 million acres of private land and over 170 threatened and endangered species. These voluntary agreements protect habitat while providing landowners the certainty they need to effectively manage their lands.

# Strengthening Protections for Wildlife. Signed legislation that strengthens protections for wildlife by mandating that the most important use of our nation's wildlife refuges is giving refuge to migratory birds and other animals reliant on this rich system of natural habitat.

Protecting our Oceans and Coasts

# Creating Comprehensive Oceans Policy. Directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations. Convened a National Ocean Conference in June 1998 that brought together government experts, business executives, scientists, environmentalists, elected officials and the public to examine opportunities and challenges in restoring and protecting our ocean resources.

# Strengthening Our National Marine Sanctuaries. Secured a funding increase of over 100% to better support national marine sanctuaries -- homes to coral reefs, kelp forests, humpback whales, and loggerhead turtles. Supporting the five-year Sustainable Seas Expeditions to explore, study and document ways to better protect underwater resources.

# Preserving Coral Reefs. Issued an Executive Order to expand protection of coral reefs and their ecosystems to address issues of coral reef management, expansion of marine protected areas and increased protections for coral reef species.

# Protecting Marine Mammals. Led negotiations resulting in a multilateral agreement to protect dolphins in the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean. Issued new standards to protect the endangered northern right whale from injuries from ships by instituting a first-ever ship reporting requirement in two areas of right whale critical habitat. Fought for creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, an area of more than 12 million square miles off the coast of Antarctica.

# Banning Ocean Dumping of Toxic Waste. Led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. The U.S. was the first nuclear power to advocate the ban.

Introduced "Better America Bonds" to generate $10.75 billion in bond authority over five years to preserve open space, improve water quality and clean up abandoned and contaminated properties known as brownfields. Local communities can work together in partnerships with land trust groups, environmentalists, business leaders and others to develop innovative solutions to their community's development challenges.

# Provided leadership critical to successful negotiation of the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible.

# Investing in Clean Energy Research. Won more than $1 billion in FY 1999 and in FY 2000 for the Climate Change Technology Initiative, a program of clean energy research and development that will save energy and consumers money. Extended the tax credits for wind and biomass energy production through 2001, reducing emissions and reliance on imported oil.

# Growing Clean Energy Technologies. Issued an Executive Order to coordinate federal efforts to spur the development and use of bio-based technologies, which can convert crops, trees and other "biomass" into a vast array of fuels and materials. Set a goal of tripling our use of bioenergy and bioproducts by 2010 to reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions by up to 100 million tons a year -- the equivalent of taking 70 million cars off the road.

# Improving Scientific Understanding. Increased funding for the United States Global Change Research Program to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth's climate system. This record research budget continues strong support for the "Carbon Cycle Initiative" begun last year to improve our understanding of the role of farms, forests, and other natural or managed lands in capturing carbon.

# Energy Efficiency Standards for Appliances. Issued new energy efficiency standards for refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers, freezers and room air conditioners that will save consumers money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil. The new standards will cut the average appliance's energy usage by 30 percent and save more than seven quadrillion BTUs of energy over the next 30 years, more than seven times the annual energy consumption of the entire state of Arkansas.

# Promoting federal Energy Efficiency. Issued an Executive Order directing federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year. Forged new partnerships with industry to develop and promote energy-saving cars, homes and consumer products with the potential to save Americans hundreds of millions of dollars in energy bills and significantly curb greenhouse gas pollution.
http://www.environmentalcaucus.org/gore.html

PS: What about corruption?

Forget about it. As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations, Clinton's was the cleanest administration since Teddy Roosevelt.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:56 PM
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120. That's one bad debt we might as well write off.
Their credit score is zero when it comes to apologies.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:55 PM
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87. "their dirty millions"
I love it. So true.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:56 PM
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89. Thanks but I'd like the votes of her supporters
. . . since most of them are Dems.
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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 08:03 PM
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92. Thanks friend...
You know how you feel when you write a post and someone disagrees, but does so thoughtfully? That is respect. I don't expect anyone to agree with me though many do. It is the thoughtful disagreement or agreement with even more for the argument that shows the respect.

You are on the money. I hope this anti-Clinton virus stays contained, otherwise enough folks may feel that they just can't vote for Obama. That would be a loss for us all.

Hillary '08 (or any other time)
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:47 AM
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146. Party unity is key
I would vote for Hillary in the GE if she gets the nomination.

In 1980 there was the same nonsense - and we got Reagan. I don't want McCain as President - for all her faults, Hillary is far preferable.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:01 PM
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110. I can think of 100million reasons
why we have thanked them already
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:15 PM
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113. That goes both ways, my dear. Clinton supporters don't owe anyone their vote.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:25 PM
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115. LOL!! ****TRY***** to win the general without clinton supporters.
whether you want it or not, we're democrats too. :hi:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:35 PM
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126. While you're at it ,try it the other way.....
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 10:55 PM
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119. agreed, we don't owe the Clinton's anything. It is they who owe us an apology
for pretending everything is about them...:puke:
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:13 PM
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122. yeah, you'll see some 'politics' in november. nt
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:18 PM
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123. When the purple bandaid brigade gets its ass kicked?
I expect that will be very satisfying. :)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:32 PM
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125. Well, guess what?
Hillary supporters don't owe Obama a damn thing either, least of all our vote.

:shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:36 PM
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127. You might ask why he's getting so many anyway.
If another candidate gets your vote in November, that's your choice.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:37 PM
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128. She has as many supporters as Obama,
delegates are not the same as actual voters.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:40 PM
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129. She started out with more, far more
and ended up with not enough. Exactly how many she has at the moment is simply not relevant since she's not going to be on the ticket.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:42 PM
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130. She may be or not be on the ticket,
if she's nowhere on the ticket then I'll leave open my options for November.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:48 PM
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133. She won't be.
I understand your disappointment but this is an election for the US President, not mascot.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:53 PM
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134. Well, then I won't be voting for Obama in November.
I will though vote for the rest of the ticket.

Mascot? When a race is this close, I expect the one on top to offer the VP position to the person who came second. I would have said the same thing if it were the other way around.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:00 AM
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135. I'd like to think that the Clintons would disuade you
but unfortunately I think they won't, because they'd be delighted to see Obama defeated, and that in a nutshell is why she won't be on the ticket.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:09 AM
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141. There you are wrong.
Hillary and Bill will do the correct thing and campaign for Obama, they know how the game is played. Can they dissuade all of her supporters?

Not me, unless she's also on the ticket.

No Hillary, then no Obama.

:shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:18 AM
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143. So even if they do, you know they won't mean it,
and of course, they won't. And that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:29 AM
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144. I don't know whether they will mean it or not.
Does Obama mean all the platitudes he spews?

They are all politicians.

I'm only stating what I will do.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:09 AM
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139. This must be your very first political campaign.
Because Hillary is the polar opposite of Obama.
There is no way she would be a good veep choice for him.

This race actually isn't even close.
Obama has won 34 primaries/caucuses.
Hillary has won 18 primaries/caucuses.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:15 AM
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142. This is far from my first political campaign.
I come from a political family and I have campaigned, donated money and fundraised for many a candidate. I simply choose for the first time not to blindly vote for the Democratic nominee.

Obama may have won more states, but they are very close where it should matter: the popular vote. After all is said and done, she might even surpass him in that area.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:05 AM
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136. As Bubba said, "Saddle up" and now it's time for them to ride off into the sunset and end the movie.
That's the way Randolph Scott would've done it.
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