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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:02 AM
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How will Clinton's talking heads perform in am - their "anything can happen" meme is toxic now
And since she can't mathematically win under any circumstances, it will be interesting to hear their new talking points.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:04 AM
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1. They will probably just rever to the "Hard Working White People" talking point.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:05 AM
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2. Will it be too early in the morning to play the Terry McAullife drinking game?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:23 AM
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16. considering your Thompmson avatar, I'd have to go with "No".
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:41 AM
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17. Heh heh... good point.
Although to be honest, I think any rational person would need a shot or two just to listen to Terry McAwful's bullshit at this point. He comes off like a drunk on the barstool next to you who won't shut the fuck up.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:05 AM
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3. Be fair....I'm an Obama supporter...but that is not what she meant...
I am very disappointed in the HRC reactions to her idiotic statement.

People here are being disingenuous when talking about the context of her statement. She did not state or mean "anything could happen"...that is the spin of others.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:09 AM
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5. I personally don't think that the OP is implying that
It is true that "anything can happen" (scandal, misspeaks, of course), but I could see some of Clinton's surrogates being extra sensitive as to how they word the "anything could happen" meme, lest anyone get any wrong ideas as to their intentions. I also knew what they meant, but they will have to be extra delicate now that the media is watching them on this issue.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:10 AM
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6. Terry MacAuliffe has specifically said "anything can happen"
and when pressed by Russert who said "an act of God or something catastrophic" said "sure".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6107864

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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:12 AM
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7. heh
Didn't know that Russert worded it exactly like that. They should definitely ditch that talking point now, or at least find some extremely concise way to word it (in a way that does not imply um, an act of god. haha). Was this the interview where Terry said that Big Russ was dead? Classic.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:51 AM
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18. Thank you.
And that's why Clinton's repeated references to ASSASSINATION are heinous. She and her surrogates are making the argument that she should stay in a race she cannot win "just in case." In her comments, she focuses on an assassination event when there are many other examples of late Primaries she could refer to; and her surrogates are out there with the "anything can happen" talking point.

Therefore, her "gaffe" really doesn't come across as an innocent remark, does it?


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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:23 PM
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19. Get real people...
I've never seen such a large group of people believing the worst in people so much. Jeez.


(And there is nothing more I'd like to see right now than HRC stop her campaign. To me, the focus should be on the last part of Olberman's special comment about this issue - he lists plenty of issues to hammer her on).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:58 AM
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14. No, that's Terry's job. He's said that repeatedly and verbatim. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:06 AM
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4. None of their talking points work any more.
They all have a sinister lining now.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:13 AM
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8. I think a close friend should spell it out for her.
Her campaign has moved into the theater of the absurd and I think many people are simply getting tired of it. She has sucked the life out of this nomination process.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:02 AM
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9. A close friend, um, Tipper Gore?
Nope, nope, nope. Maybe Al? Nope, nope.

Teresa Heinz Kerry? Nope, nope, nope.

John Edwards, uh, no, nope nope.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:14 AM
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10. Will they even have any memes? There's been a deafening silence from the campaign today.
She addressed a gym in Puerto Rico (CNN)
Before a crowd of a few hundred Puerto Ricans in a muggy high school gym, Clinton pledged to make it a "personal priority" to resolve the statehood issue before the end of her first term.

She also vowed to clean up the former Navy testing ranges on Vieques, fund the famous Arecibo radio telescope, use federal dollars to put more cops on the streets and extend tax breaks to Puerto Rican companies. Clinton made each of those promises in English, abandoning a translator early on, despite the growing din among distracted audience members who couldn't understand the full content of her stump speech.

Still, enthusiastic supporters hoisted signs like "Puertorriquenos con Hillary" and "Hillary Presidenta" while chants of "Hillary! Hillary!" filled the room.


Couldn't find any photos of her in PR at all in 10 minutes of looking.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:27 AM
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11. NOTHING posted on her website news for today.
Not even an update about Puerto Rico. Usually there are 4-6 news releases a day. That means something.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/
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Ice-9 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:39 AM
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12. That's a good point.
The response to her assassination comment was so strong that it's poisoned the message. It will be tough for her to go back and say that the reason she's in the race is that anything can happen, since that will just remind voters of the assassination comment. It's possible that her surrogates can still get away with it, but I don't think that she herself can give that as her reason for staying in anymore.

The other thing I don't really understand is why "anything can happen" is even a sufficient reason for staying in the race. She could always suspend her campaign and then jump back in if something happened. That's one of the things that made her assassination comment so unfortunate. She got in all of this hot water just for saying something that didn't make sense in the first place.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:55 AM
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13. They need a new line
this "anything can happen" one won't "fly" anymore. x(
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:12 AM
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15. I also want to see their BS popular vote statistics called out as well. nt
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