CNN - O'Neil is accusing Kerry of FLEEING FROM ENEMY FIRE!

[Pathwalker]

Wolf has him on, and just before they went to break O'neil made this charge. More after Commercial!!!

No link -sorry, but it's on now!

[Placebo]

1. I hate this asshole.

he's just jealous that kerry has aged so much better than he has and is far more successful!

kerry: a successful politician with a great chance of being president
o'neil: no political success

kerry: tall
o'neil: short

kerry: physically fit
o'neil: fat

kerry: enemy of the nixon administration
o'neil: worked for nixon to debate against and discredit kerry

SAD TIMES.

[lancdem]

5. Doesn't O'Neill also have a bad hairpiece?

[Joanne98]

32. Yeah

But at least he doesn't look like Opie of Mayberry anymore. lol

[terrya]

2. What's next...O'Neill saying that Kerry wasn't even IN Vietnam?

These stories keep changing. Is it just me?

[Pathwalker]

12. He accused him of COWARDICE - leaving his

crewmates behind while he fled!!!! :mad:
We MUST destroy this person's credibilty - totally!!!!!!

[terrya]

19. The ONLY thing I'm glad about is that this is coming out now.

Not just before the election.

There are still more than two months to discredit and sweep this crap off the news cycle.

[blm]

25. Adm. Crowe handled it perfectly. Said if Kerry fled why wasn't it reported

by the other officers? Kerry would have been written up if he fled and possibly court-martialed. Do the other officers now want to claim that they were covering up for Kerry at the time so they didn't report him, or would they like to tell the truth that this is all about political dirty tricks ala GOP.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

67. Agree with the premise:

Make Pugs call the Navy liars.

Not a big fan of military service giving mystical import to a candidate's run for the presidency... but this line of attack on Kerry reeks of hypocritical desperation.

Why do Republicans hate Mom and apple pie? :shrug:

[agingdem]

14. Remember the Jon Lovitz "liar" character on SNL?

Yeah...that's it!

[tridim]

3. Asshole - see John O'Neil

What the hell is this guy's problem? I'd say it's jealousy, but his reaction seems a bit extreme. He's just an asshole, that's all I can come up with.

[emulatorloo]

35. Rove Money buys a lot of Dramatic Outrage. . .plus Nixon/Colson taught

him well. . .

IMHO

[Bluebear]

4. I'm so glad I don't watch CNN anymore

They lost me after 20 years of faithful viewing.

[Trajan]

6. Is there ANY investigative journalism involved here ? ...

Is CNN in ANY WAY attempting to verify the claims made by O'Neil ? ...

Is there ANY media today who is actually trying to report facts ? ...

[tridim]

11. Is there ANY media today who is actually trying to report facts?

Air America Radio and The Daily Show are the only reliable, non-print sources left, but you knew that.

[MallRat]

26. A wonderful quote by Jon Stewart about the state of TV news.

In an interview on Nightline two weeks ago, Ted Koppel asked Jon Stewart to give an example of what's wrong with broadcast media reporting of political issues:

STEWART: I'm a news anchor. Remember, this is bizarro world. And I say, the issue is health care and insurance, and why 40 million American kids don't have insurance -- 40 million Americans are uninsured. Is this health insurance program being debated in Congress good for the country? Let's debate it. I have with me Donna Brazile and Bay Buchanan.

Let's go. Donna.

"I think the Democrats really have it right here. I think that this is a pain for the insurance companies and the drug companies and this is wrong for America."

Bay?

"Oh no, what it is..." And then she throws out her figures from the Heritage Foundation, and she (Brazile) throws out her figures from the Brookings Institute, and the anchor -- who should be the arbiter of the truth -- says, "Thank you both very much, that was very interesting."

No, it wasn't!

That was Coke and Pepsi talking about beverage truth. And that game has, I think, caused people to think, "I'm not watching this."

...the partisan mobilization has become part of the media process. That they realize that, this real estate that you possess, television, is the most valuable real estate known to rulers. If Alexander the Great had TV, believe me, he would have had his spin guys dealing. Napoleon would have had people working. The key to leadership is to have that mouthpiece to the people. And that's what this is.

This is the battle for the airwaves. And that's what we watch, and I think that's what is so dispiriting to those at home who believe that... I think, there's a sense HERE that you're not participating in that battle, and there's a sense AT HOME that you're ABSOLUTELY participating and complicit in that battle.

[tridim]

30. That's EXACTLY what Wolf just did

Jon knows what's up.

[blondeatlast]

38. Craig who? Let's not forget TDS's fantastic writers, too, but Jon is

the best anchor on TV.

[MallRat]

7. Mr. O'Neill: what is your proof that Kerry did this?

For god's sake, this is introductory journalism 101... when someone levels an accusation like that, YOU DEMAND PROOF.

-MR

[MrSlayer]

8. Yeah he said this last night too.

His version of the rescue Kerry performed is pretty bad. He says the swift boat squad came under fire and Kerry turned tail and ran and then came back after the shooting stopped and picked up the green beret after it was safe. It's quite disgusting what this puke is saying.

[Bandit]

42. Kind of contradicts the other guy who said there was no enemy fire at all

He also received a bronze star for the same occurance but now says there was no enemy activity at all. Didn't say what piece of bravery he did for his Bronze Star since there was no enemy activity. :crazy:

[enki23]

9. how the fuck would he know?

he wasn't even in the same fucking country at the time.

[BeyondGeography]

10. O'Neill is a Texas lawyer

What a sad-eyed weasel this guy is.

Crowe is very strong:

•Calls the book a "political polemic written to trash John Kerry."

•"No complaints about Kerry were ever made back then, it all came up 30 years later when the man is running for political office."

[MallRat]

15. Crowe? Do you mean CANDY CROWLEY?

If that woman is actually lifting a finger to defend Kerry, then the Swift Boat Vets really are toast.

[loathesomeshrub]

17. Admiral Crowe

[Pathwalker]

18. No - ADMIRAL Crowe.

n/t

[DoBotherMe]

34. Admiral Crowe's bonafides

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/papers/1989/89092904.html

http://usna.com/News_Pubs/Publications/Shipmate/2001/2001_09/Crowe.htm

[Placebo]

13. UNFIT FOR COMMAND CO-AUTHOR BASHES CATHOLICS, GAYS, JEWS...

said kerry was "probably a jew"

said the pope was a man who "loved boy buggering and islam"

INSANITY.

[joefree1]

16. John O'Neil's swift boat full of lies

Check out the following link to get the real poop on this rw poophead.

"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."

http://tinyurl.com/496xl

[PDittie]

20. This shit is gonna stick

if we don't wage a concentrated effort to discredit these nasty lying fuckwads.

Crowe isn't forceful enough in slamming this smear.

These bastards need to be FOUGHT WITH FIRE.

Kerry and Edwards and Jim Rassman and all those guys who stood behind him onstage in Boston and every other Democrat, including every single person on this board, must stand up and denounce this unrelenting shitstorm.

E-mail, LTTE, calls to our Congressmen and women and Senators and all the rest must be mobilized to counter this attack on John Kerry's war record.

No more Mr. Nice Guys, people.

WE MUST HIT BACK.

[Pathwalker]

24. I agree. This is beyond the pale - utterly disgusting.

Right now I'm so pissed, I'm having trouble remembering I'm a pacifist. I'm so not surprised it was on Wolf.

[DinahMoeHum]

21. I love the smell of flop sweat on a RWer!!

Shit, he can't get even his accusations straight - either Kerry was too aggressive and a danger to his crew or he wasn't aggressive enough.

Damn it, O'Neill, WHICH ONE IS IT !!!

Sheesh, what a f**king loser. Douchebag.



:evilgrin:

[LuminousX]

22. I thought the original claim was there was no enemy gunfire

and thus the 'rescue' wasn't that heroic.

I think I get it, now... there is enough evidence that there WAS enemy gunfire so the story needs to be changed.

[calico1]

29. The next story we'll hear is that

Kerry shot and killed some of his own swiftboat companions. He was working for North Vietnam. And he probably shot off Max Clelland's limbs too. :eyes:

[Bandit]

44. I heard Kerry single handedly captured McCain and gave him to the Cong

Swift Boat Vets are saying McCain was the only prisoner that gained weight while a prisoner.

[_NorCal_D_]

23. Oh boy...

That shameless demagogue really needs to get his story straight.

[bluedog]

27. we have got to get Kerry

face to face with O'Neill..............its the only way to stop this firestorm...........I want facts .on these vets....and how they earned their medals..........

[trumad]

28. No we don't

It's exactly what they want. The blogs and forums are doing just fine. Blame CNN for this crap.

[calico1]

31. Right.

That piece of shit does not deserve to be looked at as an equal to Kerry.

[janx]

37. Kerry's not going to lower himself to that extent. And I don't think

he should.

The admiral who appeared on CNN to refute the charges did a terrific job, and Blitzer cornered O'Neill on the Corsi factor, making Corsi squirm.

I seriously don't think that reasonable people are going to take O'Neill seriously. The only ones who believe him are so far to the right that it won't make much difference anyway. O'Neill, Corsi, and the rest aren't earning themselves any converts.

[flordehinojos]

33. John O'Neill must have some sadistic traits in his personality.

He enjoys making people cringe and he certainly is spoiling my dinner ... :nuke:

[Bake]

36. And the media whores don't even question it.

Leading Dems need to condemn this more forcefully and make it stick to BushCo as being behind it all!

Bake

[newsguyatl]

39. Can someone tell me

if the two men debated, or was one on before the other?

[Pathwalker]

40. Wolf was with Admiral Crowe, w/ O'Neill on a screen

from somewhere else.

[Leilani]

41. They were on at the same time...

& Admiral Crowe had to lower himself to debate that creep.

Why does O Neill hate Kerry so much? He has been trailing him for years...does anyone think he is on someone s payroll?

[ibegurpard]

47. YES!

Jesus Christ Almighty! We've been discussing this guy's sleazy right-wing connections on DU for weeks now! What the hell is wrong with the people who are "officially" addressing this?

[ibegurpard]

43. Is Blitzer asking him about his right-wing connections dating back

to Nixon? I think everyone needs to know that context. Just trying to debunk the allegations is not enough. The people need to be discredited and people need to know why.

[tom22]

45. O'neil debated JFK

in the early 70s on the Dick cavett show, in the early 70s. I saw it live and there must be a tape. I don't remember any of these charges being made. I'm sure they weren't. this stuff is being invented and large amounts of money are changing hands. That 'doctor' who claims he treated Kerry for his first Purple Heart wound, suddenly remembers doing this in 2003. There is no documentary record of this man ever treating Kerry. he did not sign the treatment record, something a treating physician will always do. It suddenly occurred to him in 2003 that he did this. this is fraud, pure and simple. The after action reports contradict these claims in every instance. They have dragged up something JFK said\d in 1986 and claim it is a lie. (Kerry spending Christmas Eve 1968 in Cambodia. JFK spent the last months of his tour transporting Navy Seals on PFC97 to the Cambodia border. Damn straight he was in Cambodia and damn straight there was never a written order for him to cross the border. Swift boats were a constant cause for complaint by the Cambodian government at this time. You have to know this stuff cold to refute it. Someone ought to speak out. Tom

[ibegurpard]

46. This is what is pissing the hell out of me about this!

All I hear from "officials" is attempts to set the record straight...addressing these charges as if they are legitimate! I'm not hearing about all of the sleazy right-wing, background connections that could easilty discredit these people! Why?

[janx]

48. Blitzer brought up the Corsi/extreme-right wing, bigot factor.

It was pretty powerful. O'Neill tried desperately to diminish Corsi's role in the book; Blitzer pointed out that he was "co-author."

[ibegurpard]

49. O'Neill needs to be discredited too!

The guy was a Nixon stooge and he clerked for REHNQUIST! He's not just some veteran who decided to speak out now...he's been a right-wing water carrier for as long as Kerry has been in the public eye.

[CarinKaryn]

50. It's time to sue

and put an end to these lies. They may cause doubt in too many fencesitters. They need to be countered and squashed.

[GaryL]

51. It's also time to boycott CNN!

And anyone who advertises with them or their affiliates. To give this rat bastard a stage is their way of supporting the GOP. Let's make them pay!

[janx]

61. "rat bastard" ? Yeah. Sure.

We believe ya, Gary. Sure we do. We should ALL boycott CNN, sure...

[Tight_rope]

65. I've been boycotting CNN...they have out Foxed the FAUX channel.

[sangha]

52. There's something Bush* will never be accused of

unless "fleeing from enemy fire" means "fleeing Pickles when she's low on medication"

[Chelsea Patriot]

54. And , she has the car keys...

[Zynx]

53. O'Neil is just a piece of shit in a cheap suit.

[janx]

55. Transcript is HERE:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/11/wbr.00.html

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

56. From reading the transcript

it sounds like Admiral Crowe put O'Neil in his place. Perhaps I'm not as alarmist as others but I believe only the extreme right is buying this crap.

If the accusations against Kerry were true it doesn't paint very positive picture of the military. I feel many vets will disregard this smear for that reason. In addition by making Kerry's service an issue it opens the door to questions whether * fulfilled his obligation to the Texas Air National Guard or not.

[vickie]

64. After reading the transcript, it appears as though the Admiral

held his own against the bottom-feeding filthy Nixon-pimped liar, O'Neill.

Vickie W. Carter
Redondo Beach, CA

[ljm2002]

57. So, Mr. O'Neill...

...were you lying when you commended Kerry way back then, or are you lying now?

...how can you claim to be credible when you directly contradict your glowing recommendations of Kerry 30 years ago? When you recanted a few days ago, and then recanted that? Why should anyone take you seriously?

...were you there with Mr. Kerry, in his swift boat at any time? Did you personally see him in action? Is the man who he rescued, lying? Was your boat out there with his?

...what of all the other "decorated war veterans" who returned from 'Nam? are their medals suspect too?

...where are Bush's fellow soldiers, the ones who (like Kerry's men) will testify to his actions in the TANG?

...by the way, what's the story on Bush's medals? are they suspect too? oh, er... no medals, never in 'Nam, questionable that he even served out his cushy National Guard tour of duty... never mind.

[jackstraw45]

58. STILL boycotting CNN here...WHO IS WITH ME?!?!? NT

NT

[Tight_rope]

63. I'm with you...I hear its working...ratings are going down...

[nonkultur]

59. Why has there not been a libel suit filed against O'neil? eom

[Doosh]

60. what do you expect, they called Clinton a murderer?

they haven't even pulled out the big guns on kerry yet, the real slime has yet to hit the fan.

this is a sign of desperation. a sitting president at 44% in mid august, trailing in many key battle ground states, losing his grip on some "safe" states. It doesn't exactly spell re election.

[Tight_rope]

62. Fuck CNN and the whole network team!...scumbags.

[Fleshdancer]

66. so when will they start blaming Kerry for starting Vietnam???

I mean really, this is absolutely ridiculous. Soon there will be eye witness accounts of Kerry eating Vietnamese babies, dressing up like a Vietnamese hooker, and practicing in satanic ritual sacrificing of Vietnamese virgins.

I can't believe people buy this bullshit.