Interesting: Obama DOES NOT get to pick his own VP candidate

[SlipperySlope]

Silly old me, I just assumed that when Obama gets the nomination, he would get his choice of running mate.

Reading the rules, I see that is not actually what happens.

http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/FINAL2008CalltotheConvention.pdf

Nomination of the Democratic candidate for President, and nomination of the Democratic candidate for Vice President, take place through two separate balloting procedures.

It is entirely conceivable that Obama could be forced by the delegates to accept a running mate not of his own selection.

Now, wouldn't that be a hoot.

:puke:

[rateyes]

1. Won't happen. nt

[anigbrowl]

2. It's pretty unlikely they'd confirm him as nominee then rebel against him

Don't worry about it.

[MNDemNY]

6. LBJ was thrust upon JFK...Kerry wanted Gephart.

not out of the realm.

[rinsd]

14. But the choice of Edwards was made prior to the convention vote.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/kerry.vp/

[MNDemNY]

15. As wil this "choice".

[WinkyDink]

20. Where did you get your "info"?

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/VP_Lyndon_Johnson.htm

[MNDemNY]

24. Your sanitized version of history from that source is decieving.

History rewritten. No surprise.

[anigbrowl]

34. MNDemNY: don't trust www.senate.gov - history is rewritten

Somehow I doubt you even read it, since it goes into considerable detail about the conflicts between Kennedy and Johnson. What's your source, hillaryhub.com? Do you even have a source?

[MNDemNY]

41. I lived it, JFK brought in LBJ not as a magnanimous gesture, but

as an appeasement to southern Dems.

[anigbrowl]

29. Yes, and those cases are exceptional rather than normal

It's not impossible, but improbable.

[featherman]

33. Not true historically that the convention "forced" Johnson on Kennedy

No reason to keep repeating the historically unfactual. This is all well documented.

Many in Kennedy's inner circle including Bobby did not want Johnson but it was Kennedy who made the decision to offer the position to Johnson. Many were surprised when Johnson accepted and many wished he hadn't. But it was Kennedy who had made the choice to offer. It was NOT forced on him by the convention, the party, or the delegates. It was a political calculation and a good one. Kennedy needed Johnson. Whether Obama needs Clinton is a matter of debate. But the convention that nominates Obama WILL NOT go against his choice of VP if it is other than Clinton. Anyone thinking this is delusional.

"On July 13, 1960, the Democratic convention nominated Kennedy as its candidate for President. Kennedy asked Johnson to be his Vice Presidential candidate, despite opposition from many liberal delegates and Kennedy's own staff, including Robert Kennedy. He needed Johnson's strength in the South to win what was considered likely to be the closest election since 1916"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy

[FlyingSquirrel]

37. JFK felt he had to ask, and expected LBJ to say no.

So he got an unpleasant surprise. Obama could learn from that historical occurrence.

[4_Legs_Good]

44. I heard LBJ was going to say no too, until one of his friends pointed out that this was his only...

chance at the top spot...

David

[4_Legs_Good]

43. Kerry would have won with Gephardt too

but OMG, what a boring couple that would have been.

Snoozing for 4 years, but at least we wouldn't have Roberts or Alito.

David

[goldcanyonaz]

3. i thought everyone knew this..

[PBS Poll-435]

4. And what do you think the party might do in that situation?

:D

[virtualobserver]

5. they would never do that

[MNDemNY]

7. Would, and have, many times.

[virtualobserver]

18. I'm talking about this set of Superdelegates in this election

not a chance.

[MNDemNY]

22. Big chance.

But if HRC is the VP "choice" you'll just rally around your guy, and praise him for his fine choice.

[thoughtcrime1984]

26. I'd be concerned about his judgment at that point.

I'll always take the Dem ticket, but that'd set off a red flag with me concerning his judgment, for sure.

[virtualobserver]

32. he won't choose her

but I would accept it if he did.....I just wouldn't be happy about it.

[rinsd]

8. Its not that simple. There would only be one likely VP nominee to vote on.

In addition, pledged delegates who are the ones who attend the convention and vote are basically die hard candidate supporters so I see Obama supporters as unlikely to reject his choice for VP.

[SoonerPride]

9. Who puts forth the name of the VP candidate?

The nominee.

[SlipperySlope]

12. Any 200 delegates

Any 200 delegates can put forth another VP nominee.

[Secret_Society]

13. Any one can nominate a candidate from the floor

[Secret_Society]

10. Good article on RCP

explaining this and its ramifications.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/if_clinton_wants_to_be_vp_obam.html

[TornadoTN]

11. Has and can happen, but I don't think they'll risk it this time

With the fractious nature of this contest and the level of disgust people have reached, I seriously doubt they would force a VP nomination on the Presidential candidate.

I don't think they want another debacle on their hands should they choose the V.P. for the candidate.

[DemVet]

16. It won't come to this...Hillary will twist a few arms behind the scenes if she wants the Veep slot.

[MNDemNY]

17. If she wants it it's hers. That's a fact.

[anigbrowl]

35. Is that right.

You know, I hope she does get nominated by a floor vote - and defeated. But somehow I suspect you won't be posting here by then.

[MNDemNY]

45. I don't want her either, but that's the way it is.

[DemVet]

48. I suspect...

...a lot of Obama people getting tossed out on their asses also.

[DemVet]

47. True.

[Doityourself]

19. Clinton's theme song is definitely from Dream Girls: I'm Telling You, I'm Not Going..lol.

Lyrics:

And I am telling you
I'm not going.
You're the best man I'll ever know.
There's no way I can ever go,
No, no, no, no way,
No, no, no, no way I'm livin' without you.
I'm not livin' without you.
I don't want to be free.
I'm stayin',
I'm stayin',
And you, and you, you're gonna love me.
Ooh, you're gonna love me.

And I am telling you
I'm not going,
Even though the rough times are showing.
There's just no way,
There's no way.
We're part of the same place.
We're part of the same time.
We both share the same blood.
We both have the same mind.
And time and time we have so much to share,
No, no, no,
No, no, no,
I'm not wakin' up tomorrow mornin'
And findin' that there's nobody there.
Darling, there's no way,
No, no, no, no way I'm livin' without you.
I'm not livin' without you.
You see, there's just no way,
There's no way.

Tear down the mountains,
Yell, scream and shout.
You can say what you want,
I'm not walkin' out.
Stop all the rivers,
Push, strike, and kill.
I'm not gonna leave you,
There's no way I will.

And I am telling you
I'm not going.
You're the best man I'll ever know.
There's no way I can ever, ever go,
No, no, no, no way,
No, no, no, no way I'm livin' without you.
Oh, I'm not livin' without you,
I'm not livin' without you.
I don't wanna be free.
I'm stayin',
I'm stayin',
And you, and you,
You're gonna love me.
Oh, hey, you're gonna love me,
Yes, ah, ooh, ooh, love me,
Ooh, ooh, ooh, love me,
Love me,
Love me,
Love me,
Love me.
You're gonna love me.



Pretty pathetic. Poor Hillary.

[indimuse]

21. amazing what happens, when you acutally READ!

Obama...Barack Obama, RAN TV ADS IN FL DURING THE SUPER BOWL!!! THINK ABOUT IT!! YOU YOUR DEM F*CKING BRAINS>>>>>NOT YOUR HEARTS! HE BROKE THE ROOOOOLLZZZZ! IN MI! His name WAS on the ballot! HE CHOSE (NOT IN THE ROOOOLZ) to take his name off for HIS OWN POLITICAL GAIN>>>>Which backfired! HE has ZERO problem Disenfranchising MILLIONS OF VOTERS! HIS History of this goes back to his campaign in Chicago! He is NO DEMOCRAT IF YOU ASK ME!!!!!

[DontBlameMe]

30. Oh, please!

God bless you for supporting your candidate.

But, please, shut up. Just shut up.

His ads were sanctioned by the DNC person (I think she was from Georgia???) in the region. He couldn't run a national ad on those channels without them running in Florida. You know this. Why are you spreading bullshit?

You guys are really starting to make me sick.

Fuck me, why do I even bother.

[indimuse]

38. NO NO NO! When they bought them...they KNEW!

They KNEW it would BLEED into the FL market...JUST in time.
WHAT about his ROOOL BREAKING PRESS Conference??? Get REAL or be considered someone who condone disenfranchising MILLIONS of Voter! feel better? does THAT make you feel better?


Which is more important?? technicality's and permanent damage to our party..OR DO THE RIGHT THING>.AND COUNT THE VOTES???????


300x250

PS..I live in FL and Voted along with RECORD TURNOUT EDUCATED VOTERS I KNEW WHO BO) WAS...PALEEZE!!!!!!......GUESS WHAT ...WE VOTED FOR HILLARY!..and YES!!! I'm pissed!


OH< What about NH...SC...IA...THEY ALL BROKE THE ROOOLZ AS WELL! IS BO ready to relinquish the DEL's he picked up..? huh? ROOLZ R ROOLZ?

[MonkeyFunk]

51. Why would one state party official be allowed

to give him "permission"?

That's the lamest excuse you guys use. IF Clinton had run ads there, we'd hear about it 100 times a day, every day. You'd scream about what a horrible, rotten liar she is.

Yet Obama very clearly violated the pledge - the pledge which had no provision for getting "permission" from anybody to break.

He didn't NEED to run national ads two days before the Florida primary - nobody else did! He very specifically, very clearly violated the pledge and you guys try to accuse Clinton of breaking it by inventing provisions that don't exist.

[indimuse]

23. amazing what happens when, you actually READ!

Obama...Barack Obama, RAN TV ADS IN FL DURING THE SUPER BOWL!!! THINK ABOUT IT!! UES YOUR DEM F*CKING BRAINS ( I'm pissed!!)>>>>>NOT YOUR HEARTS! HE BROKE THE ROOOOOLLZZZZ! IN MI! His name WAS on the ballot! HE CHOSE (NOT IN THE ROOOOLZ) to take his name off for HIS OWN POLITICAL GAIN>>>>Which backfired! HE has ZERO problem Disenfranchising MILLIONS OF VOTERS! HIS History of this goes back to his campaign in Chicago! He is NO DEMOCRAT IF YOU ASK ME!!!!!

[anigbrowl]

36. This is why you shouldn't use Meth, kids

It makes you look like a clinically insane person.

[indimuse]

39. grow a brain!

..

[yourguide]

50. +1

[4_Legs_Good]

46. Give me a f*cking break

My dem f*cking brain don't work.

Bzzzzztttttfffapzasdfhfhas;dlfkj

:eyes:

David

/ignore

[niyad]

25. have to wonder about the cnn crawl that said obama was engaged in a "top-secret search" for his

running mate.

[niyad]

27. self-delete--dupe

[me b zola]

28. This, I think, is why there are reports of Obama's beginning the process

of choosing his VP. He will choose a VP well in advance of the convention and will already be campaigning with her/him.

Obama is neither weak or naive.

[AtomicKitten]

31. "Barbara Boxer dismissed the idea of the party forcing Clinton on the ticket."

Boxer dismissed the idea of the party forcing Clinton on the ticket as vice president as a way to bridge the divide.

"Barack Obama will pick whoever he wants," Boxer said. "That's a very important choice for the president. If he is the nominee, then he is going to choose his running mate. And no one really can tell him who it ought to be."

The decision, she said, will be based on how Obama views the vice presidency and the role it would play in his administration, and what would strengthen his chances in the election, among many other factors.

"The last thing I'd ever do is tell someone who I think would be the best choice, because that is really something that is the nominee's choice," Boxer said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/16/MNIQ10NRE8.DTL

[Pab Sungenis]

40. The party has ratified every Presidential Nominee's choice of running mate since 1960.

Last time the convention chose a VP candidate was 1956 when they voted for Kefauver over Kennedy after Stevenson called for an open vote.

In 1952, Stevenson was a draft choice, so he hadn't selected a running mate in advance.

In 1944, the convention balked at renominating Henry Wallace (who Roosevelt had twisted their arms into selecting in 1940), and nominated Truman over Roosevelt's second choice, Jimmy Byrnes.

Before that, you're into the era of brokered conventions, and few candidates had time to pick their running mates in advance.

[apocalypsehow]

42. In theory, yes. But in practice here's what happens:

After the presidential nominee is certified, the candidates who opposed him/her in the primary traditionally "release" their delegates to the nominee. This effectively squelchs any chance for a "floor protest." At this point, the entire thing becomes one big rubber stamp for whatever the nominee wants. The only way this scenario could be derailed is if HRC refuses to do the decent thing and release her delegates, but even then all that would happen is that her delegates, being outnumbered, would get voted down on roll call vote after vote.

[TexasObserver]

49. Tradition holds that the Nominee chooses the VP

That won't change just because Hilly has her Mad on.

[Joe the Revelator]

52. If Obama has enough delegates to win the nomination, he has enough delegates to control the floor

of the convention. Why don't people get this??

[burythehatchet]

53. In retrospect, I have to consider whether Gore wanted Lieberman or if lowly Joe

was simply an insurance policy for the neo-cons in the event they weren't able to install Boosh.

[Tinksrival]

54. What a load!