If Obama Would Just Go Win Puerto Rico He Could Win The Pop. Vote And End This Aleardy.

[malik flavors]

If he would just go to PR he could win there and then they could just seat Florida and Michigan at 100% and he would still be ahead in the popular vote. Why doesn't he just go win there so he can end the madness? Even if he lost PR by 100,000 votes he could still win the pop. vote with MI and FL seated because he'll probably net 100,000 out of SD and MT, and you also have to count WA, ME, IA, and NV. If I were him I'd spend a full week there, win the primary, and put this competition to bed.

Don't you sometimes wish you could be Obama's head strategist for just one day? Sometime I want to strangle Axelrod and Gibbs. JUST GO WIN PR AND END THIS STUPID THING ALREADY!! You shouldn't have let her run wild in WV and KY like you guys did and now you need to make up for it.

[Aloha Spirit]

1. He's going there tomorrow!

[malik flavors]

2. really? Got a link?

[Aloha Spirit]

3. I post this stuff in the OBAMA SUPPORTERS thread..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6071230&mesg_id=6071230

Here's the direct link

http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/politica/noticias/obama_llega_el_viernes/408255

[malik flavors]

4. Hmm, unfortunately I can't read that. Does it say how muc time he'll be spending there?

[anigbrowl]

22. Doesn't say, but at least 2 days

Google Translator is your friend (not many people know about this)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elnuevodia.com%2Fdiario%2Fnoticia%2Fpolitica%2Fnoticias%2Fobama_llega_el_viernes%2F408255&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=es&tl=en

[Aloha Spirit]

54. Well, he's going to give a commencement speech at Wesleyan on Sunday, so I guess just for Saturday.

He's doing the Wesleyan speech as a favor to Kennedy, who was supposed to give it.

[NewHampshireDem]

My Spanish is a tad rusty, but am I correct in reading ...

that he will arrive on Friday night and campaign on Saturday?

[Aloha Spirit]

21. Yep! I can't find confirmation anywhere else though.

[VolcanoJen]

18. Bill Richardson is campaigning for Obama in Puerto Rico today.

It's not like they're just ceding the state to Hillary.

[MNDemNY]

5. Not likely to help much.

Ever been to PR? It's worse there then in SC or KY, if you know what I mean.

[malik flavors]

6. I don't know what you mean.

[MNDemNY]

10. They are more,shall we say, "southern" then the south.

[malik flavors]

12. Many puerto ricans are of African decent. So what are you suggesting?

[MNDemNY]

17. Ask them.

Racism is rampant in PR, believe it or not.

[PM7nj]

25. Jesse Jackson won PR in 1988.

...just saying.

[MNDemNY]

28. Caucus, participation of about 3%.

[PM7nj]

31. Do you have any facts to back that up?

I am not saying you are wrong, I just want to know where that 3% number came from. Also, do you have anything to back up your claim that Puerto Ricans are racist?

[MNDemNY]

49. In '88 political tension in PR led to what was tantamount to a boycott.

Most participants were US ex-pats and Us Gov. Employees.

[PM7nj]

55. Are you from Puerto Rico?

There have been a few Puerto Ricans blogging on Daily Kos. They are saying that Obama will not get blown out in PR and could even win.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/21/19300/9054
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/21/75834/3293
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/21/201235/348

[malik flavors]

30. Well Obama won SC, so what's your point?

[Heather MC]

58. I have heard that, alot of people in PR don't consider themselves

black even though they have very strong ties to Africa
They think they are better than blacks.

[Tatiana]

42. Are you Puerto Rican? n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

46. Unfortunately we have a lot of racism and self haterd like in the rest of

Latin America and the Caribbean. But the comparison to the south is just retarded.

[MNDemNY]

47. It is a bit off-point, I'll grant you that.

I made my point, poorly.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

48. What kills me is when people that would be considered black in the US or Europe

(and we have tons of those), make comments about other blacks as if they were some sort of alien race or something. It's really wierd but i grew up around that. I myself am the product of a biracial marriage.

[MNDemNY]

50. That is a tough nut.

[NewHampshireDem]

8. No, I don't know what you mean. And wtf is 'KT'? n/t

[SoonerPride]

16. Racist. They are racists.

[PM7nj]

44. Are they?

Aren't most Puerto Ricans a mix of African/Native/Spanish?

[anigbrowl]

26. Don't bother - just an attempt to get you down.

[SoonerPride]

7. There is no popular vote

Continuing to mention it makes it seem like it exists.

See Gov. Dean's comments on using the rules we had at the start. The only metric is delegates. Period.

The end.

[Ian David]

9. If I was Obama's head strategist, he'd be in jail for kicking McCain in the nuts.

But that would pretty much guarantee him the election, I think.

Well, maybe if they were Bush's nuts.

Then again, McCain's nuts belong to Bush anyway.

[Aloha Spirit]

20. nuts nuts nuts. that would be your spin on everything.

[Ian David]

53. I call it "The Cartman Strategy." Kick Republicans in the nuts. n/t

[K Gardner]

11. omg.. see? Now even Obama supporters think POPULAR VOTE matters. I give up.

[malik flavors]

15. POp. Vote will keep the party from coming together.

Whether you want to believe in it or not.

[SoonerPride]

19. THERE IS NO POPULAR VOTE.

You cannot count caucus states, so there is no way to even MEASURE popular vote.

It's like saying "there are this many people who drive toyotas who support Obama."

It is meaningless.

[woolldog]

62. Popular vote argument is dumb.

But if we can completely deny her that talking point, why not?

[SoCalDem]

66. ONLY from the standpoint of making HER ..STFU about it

:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

13. Chill. He's already won the nomination.

[VolcanoJen]

14. Nothing against Puerto Ricans, but isn't it laughable to suggest...

... that Hillary can use vote tallies from PR in her popular vote argument, considering Puerto Ricans can't vote in the general election?

:shrug:

[PermanentRevolution]

40. Yeah, but by that logic...

They really shouldn't be allowed to have a say in the primary at all.

I, for one, think it's great that we give Puerto Ricans a voice in choosing the candidate, but it IS a little strange given that they don't get a say in the actual election.

[VolcanoJen]

41. It's completely bizarre to me.

That being said.... OGUAMA!!!!! ;-)

[PermanentRevolution]

43. Bizarre, indeed...

I like to think of it as proof that we're the true "Big Tent" party - we even let people who can't vote in the election have a say in picking our candidate. It's a beautiful thing, really. Though it does raise some problems in a primary as close as this one...

[4_Legs_Good]

23. Agreed, go to PR, stay there, prove to the people that you're the man for the job

and have Richardson criss crossing the island with you.

It's time to wrap this thing up once and for all.

David

[malik flavors]

24. Look people, this nomination fight needs to be ended. So stop thinking

like sane people and start thinking like the Clinton camapaign. If you want the party to come together and to end this, he needs to win the popular vote. If he doesn't there will be baby boomer women picketing from now until november.

If he can win the popular vote he should. Why wouldn't you want him to anyway?

[SoonerPride]

29. For the millionth time THERE IS NO FUCKING POPULAR VOTE METRIC

There isn't anythign for him to win or lose. It is a non-number which doesnt include all the states or people.

Do you get it?

[malik flavors]

32. Whoops, you're thinking like a reasonable person again.

You'll never beat The Clintons that way.

[SoonerPride]

34. Obama has already beaten the Clintons by telling the truth all campaign long

Why start acting crazy now?

[malik flavors]

35. Wouldn't you like to end this once and for all with a clean break?

So they can't say ANYTHING about it. So they have zero arguments. So she and her supporters can't use anything against him.

I would. I don't care if popular vote is legit, I want this over.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. It would be a wasted week that he could be working on the general election

Everybody knows that his name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan so it's absurd to use their totals as a popular vote measure.

[malik flavors]

33. Why not put the nomination to fight to bed before moving to the general?

[Hippo_Tron]

36. Because it is already over

Florida and Michigan will be seated with some sort of split, which will satisfy the voters and the party. Only a few hardcore Hillary supporters in Florida and Michigan will still be pissed that their scheme didn't work.

[malik flavors]

39. Hillary won't agree to anything on may 31st and she'll take it to the convention.

Mark my words.

And it will be more Hillary supporters upset than a handful in Florida.

[Hippo_Tron]

45. There's not a chance that she's taking it to the convention

Brokered conventions aren't suited for modern election cycles with 24 hour cable news and the internet. They have to be carefully staged events where everything is controlled and the nominee looks as good as possible. It is basically the last chance for the nominee to get a major boost in the polls going into the General Election. It's arguably more important than the debates. Her own superdelegates will turn on her before they allow a brokered convention.

And even if they don't, Hillary won't take it to the convention because even if she got the nomination, she couldn't win the presidency with the party that divided. Enough black voters would stay home that she would simply have no chance. McCain would win and Obama would be a shoe-in for the nomination in 2012. Hillary has been in politics long enough to realize this. Her best hope of becoming president is the opposite of that. Let Obama have the nomination, hope he loses, and run again in 2012.

And she can't drag it to the convention with no chance of winning simply so she can sabatoge Obama. She would have no chance in 2012 if she did that.

Mark my words, Hillary will not take this thing to the convention.

BTW, I'll bookmark this thread to see who is right.

[malik flavors]

51. Deal. And i'll message you on 6/1 after nothing is agreed to on the 31st.

Just to let you know my prediction is on track.

[quantass]

37. I read he is going to PR on Friday/Saturday this week

[olkaz]

38. Your premise is patently false.

Obama would not stop the Clintons if he won PR. In fact, they'd just find a new equation in which Hillary wins.

Obama's team is doing a great job right now.

[rebel with a cause]

52. I doubt that he wins there

too many PR's in New York and that gives Hillary a leg up. There is also that Latino thing. One Obama supporters in Puerto Rico posted on here the other day, so maybe there is hope for at least a close race there. I have heard that some of the Latino's in NYC are supporting Obama, but those I have heard from are not Puerto Ricans. :shrug: Just thinking out loud.

[PM7nj]

56. Peurto Ricans in NYC are not the same as Puerto Ricans in San Juan.

[rebel with a cause]

61. Hope you are right!

:loveya: Don't get me wrong, I really liked most of the people that I knew when I lived in NYC. Most of my family and friends there were Dominican and Puerto Rican. But that was around twenty-five years ago, and I don't know how they would vote now in an election since I have lost touch with all of them. I was just going by what I've heard on the MSM and what my son has said about some of his Dominican relatives there when they had the primary. Of course he was selling Obama pretty hard to them via the internet and phone. We're an Obama family, having all of us met him in 2004.

[bunnies]

57. THERE IS NO POPULAR VOTE IN PRIMARY ELECTIONS!

What does it take to get through to people? JEEZUS! :banghead:

[AZ Criminal JD]

59. Somebody should have told Obama that.

In every TV appearance he always brought up the fact he was ahead in the popular vote when he was.

[bunnies]

63. Yeah.

Only because Hillary is using it as her false argument and the MSM is letting her do it for fear of being called "sexist". Please.

[malik flavors]

60. We understand that, but we also understand that that doesn't matter.

The Clinton supporters will use it to divide the party. It doesn't matter if it's legit or not.

If Obama can win the popular vote outright then he should. And he can do it, if he does well in Puerto Rico. He's going to be the nominee no matter what at this point, but things will be a lot smoother if he can win the popular vote.

And you all know it's true.

[bunnies]

65. Obama has already won the popular vote.

He doesnt need to play Clinton magic math. Her argument is a joke and giving it any credit only benefits her/them.

[ShortnFiery]

64. Well, Miss Hilly is helping Obama in Puerto Rico by making specific note to NOT vote for her ...

just because Obama is BLACK. Is that not DAMN thoughtful (dog whistle to fire up existing racial prejudices of some) of HRC?!? :puke:

[Aloha Spirit]

67. Lol, I forget he's black. Need somebody to point that out for me.