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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:43 PM
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Why do so many Obama supporters spend an inordinate amount of time bashing Hillary?
You think this is the way to "win"?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM
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1. orders. nt
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:52 PM
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76. who leaked this out?n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:16 PM
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102. BWAHAHAHAHA! Duzy here!
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM
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2. we are bored. and she is an easy target.


that, and i really dont want her entitlement to get in the way of a democrat for president.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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10. entitlement for a woman, due course for a man?
n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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12. Everything is sexism now I guess.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM
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20. She's really on a bender.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:52 PM
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33. If you don't worship the Queen
your a sexist. I get it.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:20 PM
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79. LOL! That thread received 236 recs.
:rofl:
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:49 PM
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24. entitlement for the loser to insist the job is hers.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:09 PM
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43. It's called winning delegates. Read up on it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM
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3. Well, this is GD: Primaries.
We've already won.

But if Clinton insists on making a fool of herself, we'll keep laughing.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:44 PM
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4. Because she spends an inordinate amount of time bashing Obama and everyone who supports him
you know, us lazy non-whites.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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5. Why have DU posters spent the last 7 years bashing Bush?
Because it is a way to express frustration?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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6. We get off a conference call
about 11 am with the talking points from Obama and Axelrod. They tell us what to blog....oh wait we don't do that....Hillary does that.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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It's a very common side effect of the Flavor-ade
Another is pimples on the ass.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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7. As far as I can see, they're moslty Clinton haters rather than Obama supporters
Few can even tell you what Obama will do for the country, but they like to bring up Vince Foster.... that should tell you something.

:)
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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8. Why do so many Hillary supporters spend an inordinate amount of time bashing Obama?
You think this is the way to steal the nomination?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:45 PM
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9. Because she is now in the process of questioning the very legitimacy of our primary. Fuck her.
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM by GarbagemanLB
Caucus states are undemocratic! Florida and Michigan need to be seated in FULL, AS IS, otherwise this is like 2000 all over again! I lost because of sexism!


She is such a fucking hypocrite it would be laughable if not for the way she is fucking the party over this year.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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11. Because we generally bash ALL republicans.
Hillary is no different.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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13. I Don't
how's that?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:46 PM
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14. Because Obama is perfect and pure and consists of all that is righteous and just.
And he's going to save the world, and how dare she get in his way. Really, get with the program, Darth_Kitten. :)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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28. of course those are the only two alternatives
What's the market price of straw these days?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:55 PM
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36. You mean regular straw or Rumpelstiltskin's?
Edited on Thu May-22-08 02:56 PM by Straight Shooter
Ha, I wrote Rasputin. What man, I wonder, made me think of Rasputin. Hmm ...
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:47 PM
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15. Because she's screwing up the show.
When the Dems should be gunning for McCain, they are fighting amongst themselves.

And to think that I actually used to respect the Clintons.

No mas.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:47 PM
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16. first of all because we hate her
and secondly because she's doing a lot of lying these days. That's what we do - speak truth to power. Too bad if the tsarina and her supporters don't like the truth. Prove it wrong. Don't tell me to shut up. Prove me wrong. If you can't do that, then you oughta be the one who shuts up instead of whining about the meanies with their mean old facts.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:01 PM
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39. That is all she can do
Is whine about the meanies. Most if not all of her post are without relevant context just bitching about sexism and how Obama supporters on the DU hate Hillary as if Hillary has not done anything to warrant such dislike. Also notice the meme that we cannot win the GE because we bash Hillary on the DU. I mean honestly, most people don't base their voting on what folks say on the message board but for some DU is real life because they have no life.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:47 PM
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17. beats getting a job..
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:19 PM
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104. she keeps this up, she can join you in the unemployment line next
election time for NY. they don't usually vote in Republicans.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:47 PM
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18. There is no difference between Obama and Clinton, so it is the only way to promote Obama.
I would be perfectly happy if they decided this contest on coin flip. So would a lot of Democratic voters. With the loser as VP.

Does not matter to me who is on top and who is on bottom. That way we have a spare if the RNC oppo machine digs up dirt on the presidential candidate before the election and makes him or her step aside.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:53 PM
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34. Obama believes in talking to Iran. Hillary believes in continuing to saber rattle.
That's a huge difference.

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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM
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19. Fear. Lack of confidence in their own candidate. It's such a shame.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM
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21. She's driving me nuts because every day this continues
we're one day closer to allowing McCain to win. We need to be in general campaign mode, not coronation of Hillary mode.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM
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22. Why are you equating criticism on DU (or blogs) with how people vote (Obama winning)? n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:48 PM
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23. They are addicted to the sense of outrage that it gives them.
Some people love being in a state of high dudgeon. It gives them a thrill, a little rush of adrenaline, and allows them to posture and preen and pose and display their exquisite sensibilities to all the little people.

It's really the same phenomenon that kept Free Republic boiling in the late 90s, and how convenient that the same hate object is present in both cases, because that allows our Kool-Aid Brigade just to import all the standard late 90s freeper obsessions and lingo into DU, rather than having to come up with something original, which is well beyond their capabilities.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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30. "It's...the same phenomenon that kept Free Republic boiling in the late 90s" How do you know? n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:34 PM
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52. yeah because there are Monica threads and Vince Foster threads
and travelgate threads, and haircutgate threads all the time on DU and a thread or post complaining about her "I have the most votes" lie is really about Monica.

Really, I think many of us here would rather have seen Edwards win big in Iowa and then win big in South Carolina and wrap this thing up by Super Tuesday. That would be much more satisfying than watching Hillary and Bill tell a bunch of lies while trying to tear down the nominee or seemingly destroy the party.

So the Tsarina who started the campaign with a 100 lead in superdelegates before any vote had been cast wants her supporters to be all mad because the superdelegates stole the nomination from the person with the most votes.

Of course, in Tsarinaworld, this is all the fault of Obama and his kool-aid drinking Obots. Even though Dodd, Richardson, Biden, and Edwards all withdrew and endorsed Obama. Even though Kucinich told his supporters to caucus for Obama before the Iowa caucuses. It's all the fault of the traitor arrogant Obama. The Tsarina is just being a tough campaigner.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:56 PM
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55. Actually, there have been plenty of references to Monica and even Vince Foster,
not to mention Mena and cocaine, Ron Brown's "murder," Genital Flowers, the travel office, the notorious haircut, etc.

There's not one single Free Republic golden oldie that has not been posted here by someone with an Obama avatar. Sometimes I come to this place and think that I have been magically transported to Free Republic in late 1998.

So yeah, the nonstop hatefest that we see here is pretty much the same thing that we saw then. It does represent a major regression for DU, which, no matter what its problems might have been, was never a freak republic-style cesspool until the past six months or so.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:38 PM
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69. my memory says differently
the six months after our new Democratically controlled Congress was sworn in, this place was rife with hatred for Pelosi, Reid, and the whole party. I responded with this, back in August 2007 and adopted a Pelosi icon for a few months in response.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51

Sure, in three months of primary with 2000 posts per day, every one of those has been mentioned at least once, but it hardly represents the bulk of the criticism and there are not constant threads devoted to them. I believe I have seen plenty of Obama hate as well as regular threads and posts expressing hatred of Obama supporters. Remember how the thread empty of content "Do you think there is something cultish about Obama supporters" went to the front page with ninety some recs? Many times I have scanned/counted the front pages of GD:P and found an even number of Obama-bashing and Hillary-bashing threads.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:55 PM
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77. Oh yes, the mob is fickle.
I remember how Pelosi and Reid were saints and heroes right after the election, and then quickly became Satan and his handmaiden. However, when they spoke favorably about Obama they immediately became saints and heroes again. That status could change at any moment, of course, and tomorrow might find them once again in outer darkness.

There really is a weird dynamic in this place, in which people are either very, very good or very, very bad and can move from one category to the other and back again in a matter of seconds. It's always been that way here, but in seven years at DU I have never seen the kind of nastiness that has characterized these past six months. 2004 got intense, but it was nothing like this.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:47 PM
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54. On target
:hide:
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM
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61. You Hillies got projection down to a science.
Now we're freepers? Wow. Funny, I heard Ruse Limpdick shilling for Hill this morning, hmmmmmm, wonder why?

I'll let you in on a truth, Bill and Monica delivered us Bush. Saying it is not freeperish, it is fact.

Why are you so upset that we want to disconnect from that reality? We want a new direction, a new start. Why is that so wrong?

Maybe you want to listen to the politics of division and hate and same old same old, but we want a new direction, a new look and feel.

Deal.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:16 PM
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65. I'm not a Hillary supporter, sweetie. n/t
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:22 PM
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80. Sorry, you must be a McSame voter then.
Enjoy your loss in November.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:43 PM
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96. Nope, not one of those, either.
Just a longtime DUer and Democrat who does not like what you and your kind have done to DU.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:50 PM
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91. That state of high dudgeon began on October 10, 2002
and hasn't abated yet.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:46 PM
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97. That's a rational basis for criticism.
Cankles, pantsuits, big butts, shrill voices, etc. are not. The same is true of the bizarre conspiracy theories that have been imported from Free Republic of late.

The war and the bankruptcy "reform" vote are why I have never supported Hillary. I agree with you there.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:49 PM
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25. I don't bash her; I ignore her like I did my ex-mother-in-law. n/t
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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26. Because it is fun.
Haven't you ever played whack-a-mole?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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27. Depends on what you mean by "inordinate".
I'd rather be having sex, but that was taking up an inordinate amount of my time, I'm so sure.

LoL
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:50 PM
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29. Because You and Hillary Seem to Beg for Such Attention
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:51 PM
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31. She deserves it ..
and more..The question is why does hillary bash Obama supporters and take our votes for granted?
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:52 PM
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32. See my other post.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:55 PM
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35. Imagine being an Obama supporter and watch the news..
It is a daily slap in the face from the Clinton campaign towards Obama..
We are not going to just sit back and hold hands waiting for this bs campaign to end.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:56 PM
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37. because they are afraid that if they don't, people might just pay closer attention to their hero,
and he will be found wanting.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:07 PM
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40. Ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner here!
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:23 PM
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66. "found wanting"
Hell of magic act he pulled then, eh? Winning the most primaries, the most caucuses, the most pledged delegates, the most superdelegates, the most popular votes....all without any scrutiny or investigation of him, his family, his associates, his pastor, his mentors....wow-wee-wee-wah.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:57 PM
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38. Beats the hell out of me. It does nothing to make their candidate look any better.
I think they get their thrills by using an anonymous message board to piss people off. They probably made prank phone calls when they were kids, too.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:07 PM
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41. They Need Props
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:08 PM
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42. Madness? THIS IS GD:P!!!!!
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:15 PM
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44. Because the Clintons are Republicans calling themselves Democrats!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 03:19 PM by FORREST GRUMP
When in office they helped bring us such Democrat laws like:

NAFTA

1994-09-13 - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, part of an omnibus crime bill, the federal death penalty was expanded to some 60 different offenses (see Federal assault weapons ban)

# 1996-02-01 - Communications Decency Act

# 1996-04-09 - Line Item Veto Act<81> (uncostitutional as hell)

# 1993-11-30 - Brady Bill That in my opinion helped bring the Republicans back into power in the elections in 1994 (remember that 49% of all households in America own at least one gun).

1996-02-08 - Telecom Reform Act: eliminated major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups.

# 1997-08-05 - Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 that reduced several federal taxes in the United States, the top capital gains rate fell from 28% to 20%

1996-02-26 - Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, a welfare reform bill

# 1996-09-21 - Defense of Marriage Act, allowed states to refuse recognition of certain same-sex marriages, and defined marriage as between a male and female for purposes of federal law.

# 1998-10-28 - Digital Millennium Copyright Act

Initiated the Don't ask, don't tell policy toward gays in the military, 1993.

Also initiated the extra-ordinary renditions that sent terrorist suspects to countries like Egypt for torture!!!!!

And in my opinion, she is a deceptive bitch who would rather sabatoge the election and see McCain elected so she can run again in 2012.

There are many women who would make a great president, but Hillary isn't one of them!

But other that these things, I don't have a problem with her...

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:00 PM
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92. sam nunn was the architect of dadt --
Edited on Thu May-22-08 07:02 PM by xchrom
and told clnton that in no way was he going to get equality for gays in the military.

sam nunn is now closely associated with the obama campaign.

i don't have a problem with gun control -- in fact i think it's light years more sane than the reality we have now.

obama did nothing to oppose doma in the state of illinois though the opportunity was there.

when obama was state senator -- his supporter rezco was letting tenants freeze in apartments in chicago -- ya think obama didn't know about this?

lastly -- it is sexist to think that hillary is simply the BILL clinton years redux.




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thetaoofterri Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:15 PM
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45. It appears to be their idea of "unity"
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:17 PM
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46. No, we just find it to be amusing. :3 nt
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:30 PM
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47. hillary who?
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:30 PM
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48. Not just bashing Clinton, bashing all of her supporters.
And not just bashing all of her supporters, bashing people who support both candidates.

And not just bashing people who support both candidates, bashing Obama supporters who dare to utter anything critical or questioning of him.

It's the most counter-productive method I have ever witnessed.

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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:31 PM
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49. They've been "bamboozled" you know, "the same old okie-doke"
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:31 PM
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50. Why do dogs lick their balls?
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:33 PM
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51. The electronic mob mentality.
http://www.flathatnews.com/opinions/2071/the-electronic...

This week, Kentucky Representative Tim Couch proposed to ban anonymous internet posting. It’s an illogical pitch, all but guaranteed to fail — even Couch acknowledges that his law would be next-to-impossible to enforce. Despite his draconian proposal, though, I have to admire Couch’s spirit.

Since Web 2.0 and the ascendancy of the blogosphere, anonymous internet discourse has run amok and then some. Need proof? Look no further than The Flat Hat’s website, where, at this moment, alumni, students, faculty and strangers are trolling the comments section, lobbing ad hominem attacks and taking nonsensical tangents wherever possible.

The notion of reasoned electronic dialogue has lost all efficacy. Detached from reality, unattributed and untraceable, these excoriating commenters encourage the grisliest side of human nature. They are out for virtual blood....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:34 PM
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53. Why do you spend an inordinate amount of time bashing Obama supporters?

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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:59 PM
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56. Because this primary has boiled down to personality
There isn't that much of a difference between Clinton and Obama on policies, and so supporters of each have focused far too much on the intangibles of the candidates. Supporters aside, this has actually been a fairly clean campaign, but you'd never know it from reading political sites and blogs.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:59 PM
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57. It is cheaper than renting a porno
Edited on Thu May-22-08 04:01 PM by prodn2000
And creates the same effect too.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:00 PM
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58. Neither do I. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM
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59. Why do Hillary supporters mock college students for supporting Obama?
Why do they refer to him as the "American Idol Candidate" or "The candidate of rich kids majoring in film studies or something equally latte liberal" or basically invoking every other stereotype about Generation Y that they can think of. Why do they repeat absurd right wing talking points like Obama is secretly anti-semitic and doesn't support Israel's right to exist?

For the record, I don't spend too much time bashing Hillary and I admit that some of my fellow Obama supporters on this board have been assholes at times. But if Hillary supporters want a partial answer to that question perhaps they should look in the mirror.


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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:07 PM
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60. They have ZERO , but HOPE to talk about!
Can't Touch This
Everything is off limits.

Senator Obama tells the Republicans to LAY OFF MY WIFE.

Michelle Obama was speaking at a campaign rally (she went on to repeat it at another rally) when she said "For the first time in my adult life I'm proud of my country."

So Ms. Obama can campaign for the Senator, on her own, but her words don't matter and she cannot be questioned.

You cannot use Senator Obama's middle name.

You cannot question why he went to a racist church for twenty years.

You cannot question his association with Rezko and how Mr. Obama bought his dream house.

You cannot question his association with William Ayers and are supposed to accept Senator Obama's assertion that "he's just a guy in the neighborhood." Don't look deeper and see that Obama worked for him for eight years.

You cannot question plagerism - after all, they're just words.

You must accept the new Electoral Math that says that Florida, Ohio and Michigan don't matter to Democrats.

You have to believe that North Dakota with three electoral votes is more important than Florida. AND, you have to believe that Senator Obama is going to grab those three key votes.

You have to be concerned about the price of arugula when you can't afford gas.

You must not worry about Senator Obama calling a reporter, "Sweetie."

You cannot believe your lying eyes because Senator Obama didn't flip off Senator Clinton.

You have to buy that Donna Brazille is undeclared.

You have to re-learn geography. You have to welcome seven new states into our nation. Maybe that's how he wins the Electoral College. You must believe that Sioux City is now in South Dakota and the Great Lakes are in Oregon.

There can be no discussion about Senator Obama's record in the Illinois State Senate or that Senator Obama said two years ago he wasn't ready to be President.

You cannot say that Senator Obama's healthcare plan leaves millions uninsured.

You cannot bring up the fact that Senator Obama doesn't know what language they speak in Afghanistan. It's not like Afghanistan matters.

You cannot wonder why Senator Obama performs so badly at debates and off the cuff. His scripted, plagiarized speeches are, after all, inspirational and make your legs tingle. (There is a medication for that now.)

So, what can you talk about?

He's charming. He gives you hope. He represents change. He's a new kind of politician.

Otherwise, you're racist.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:44 PM
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81. Right On! You nailed it! That post deserves it's own thread!
:applause:
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:31 PM
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90. And you can't spell "plagiarism."
No doubt the fact that I point this out makes me an elitist.

Well, I must admit that I was an Edwards supporter who was less than wowed by either Clinton or Obama as a potential President, but the attacks that I've seen made on *Obama* on this forum were part of what made me decide to vote for Obama in the NC primary. Yes, I was one of the Southern white males who voted for Obama in NC.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:03 PM
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100. Otherwise you're a racist...
and you're a joke.

She's toast.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:16 PM
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101. I like this post!..n/t
:toast:
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:48 PM
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106. So, indiemuse, is this an attempt to create dialogue?
Obama supporters are consistently painted by the opposing camp with a broad brush, with the assumption being that they are young, elite, and unable to have a civil discussion.

I disagree with that characterization. If you want to talk about these issues, post about them and see what happens. I think that many Obama supporters did not support him at the beginning of the primary and many will appreciate being educated about his history as a politician from supporting and opposing viewpoints. I know that I do - I was a Kucinich supporter last time, leaned to him slightly over Dean, and I was undecided in this campaign season until I saw Obama speak and met him briefly. I'm persuadable, not one sided in my thinking. But I also reject shallowness when it comes to political opinion, and that includes the non-issues you mention here about plagiarism, sweetie-gate, and Rev. Wright's church being racist. Those are nothing but H-Clinton talking points with no substance, and they've been discussed in detail in the MSM and on DU. Sweetie gate is my favorite - for crying out loud, the man has small children, and even if you're a Southerner, how common is the use of "sweetie"? I'm not saying it's ok to use in formal circumstances, but it slips into your speech. I have an 8 year old, and I'm trying to stop myself now from saying "oopsie," which I used to say when she was young!

OTOH, why so little discussion of Hillary Clinton's church affiliation - every time a thread is posted about "The Family," there is nothing but crickets from the Clinton crowd.

So my point is this - post your thoughts, add your links, have your discussion, ignore the trolls or put them in their place, and enjoy your wide-open web democracy. And, try engaging in a civil discussion about racial issues if that's what you want - you will probably have good results overall. But personally, I don't buy pure propaganda from either side or the pity party opinion that you just can't criticize Obama "or else you're a racist."

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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:08 PM
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62. Because she won't let the Democratic party get on with the FRIGGING campaign!
Edited on Thu May-22-08 04:11 PM by SlipperySlope
:grouphug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:09 PM
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63. Why Do Hillary And Her Supporters spend an inordinate amount of time bashing the Democratic Party?
You think this is the way to "win"?
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:13 PM
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64. Cuz she is STILL there???
:shrug: :rofl:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:26 PM
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67. Why does Hillary and so many of her supporters spend an inordinate amt of time denying reality?
That they ARE going to lose this battle?

Maybe THAT is why we seem to be "bashing" them so much. Because they continue battling when the game is over, and trying to keep it alive serves absolutely NO purpose except to destroy this party's chances in the coming election! Yes, we have a right to be damn angry about that!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:35 PM
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68. Just to piss you off.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:40 PM
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70. More "feigned indignation" from a an HRC supporter? ... What a surprise.
:eyes:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:40 PM
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71. She's still running, and running with Fox and friends now.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:41 PM
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72. It makes no sense as a strategy, so it must be some kind of compulsive disorder.
Edited on Thu May-22-08 04:42 PM by Perry Logan
Since bashing Hillary makes no political sense (unless one intends to divide the party), it's clear that Clinton-hating and Clinton-bashing are compulsive activities. So they'll probably still be doing their thing, long after we're trying to pick up the pieces after 2008.

Here are some threads commenting on the incredible yucky sleaziness of Obama supporters:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5156352&mesg_id=5156412

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5165104&mesg_id=5165104

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5180133&mesg_id=5181094

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5195072&mesg_id=5195072

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5204441&mesg_id=5204441

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5214352&mesg_id=5214352

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5226313&mesg_id=5226313

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5235825&mesg_id=5235825

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5304883

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5349292&mesg_id=5349292

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5392998&mesg_id=5392998

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5431535&mesg_id=5431535

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5431076&mesg_id=5431076

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5502064&mesg_id=5502064

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5571092&mesg_id=5571092

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6056020&mesg_id=6056020
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:47 PM
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74. You should start a thread about this.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:42 PM
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73. She provides oodles of material...and is a hoot to watch make an ass out of herself
She also doesn't want the Democratic Party to win...

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:51 PM
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75. Define "inordinate"
How much is "inordinate?" For Hillary supporters, if you don't slurp up every lie that comes out of her mouth, you're "bashing" her. If you don't swoon in admiration every time she moves the goalposts, you're a sexist. If you don't cheer her on when she slams people of color and educated people, you're a "hater."

So, I have a hard time deciding what an "inordinate" amount of criticism is.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 04:56 PM
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78. Because she is so damn ugly on the inside it's starting leach out. n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:49 PM
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82. Because she's even SLIMIER than a Republican...
...or at least as much so.

In fact she used to BE one. Still IS!

There ya go. Oh. And she's a Delusional Malignant Narcissist with Delusions of Grandeur - just like - W
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:51 PM
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83. Because she's so very deserving of the effort.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:52 PM
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84. Its the hopium
:rofl:
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:55 PM
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85. Because she's run a disgusting dirty campaign
and she's losing touch w reality.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 05:59 PM
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86. cause she continually gives us material to bash her with. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:01 PM
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87. Deep13 says I have a squad.
:rofl:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:09 PM
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88. Fed up? Think this has gone on long enough? Talk to your candidate.
We continue to rag on her because she continues to try to do damage to our nominee and to our party. Anyone who does that deserves our rath and that's exactly what she's going to get.

There's a very easy way to make it stop. Concede. Once I hear a concession, I promise, all bashing will stop.

But Hillary and her followers like to talk out of both sides of their mouth. Everyday I am told "IT'S NOT OVER" and "LEAVE HILLARY ALONE". WHICH IS IT? If it's not over, if she's "in it to win it", then guess what? Game is still on. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it. Like Hillary says: If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 06:11 PM
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89. Small penises?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:23 PM
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93. Because she is a liar.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:26 PM
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94. I think we should all be nice to one another.
It upsets me when someone unfairly attacks Hillary or Obama.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:27 PM
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95. I don't know what it is about Sen. Clinton, but I think people bash her
because of her demeanor and views.....she almost baits for responses....I feel like she is my domineering mother telling me what is best for me although I am perfectly capable of deciding that for myself. I do not like that. Sorry. IMHO
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:48 PM
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98. Must . . . protect . . . chosen . . . one.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:01 PM
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99. Because it is FUN. Remember grade school?
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jespwrs Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:18 PM
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103. Because she continues to lie and undermine our chances in the fall.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:28 PM
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105. Is this an honest question?
Do you really want to know why and are you actually willing to listen to the answer rather than engage in pop psychologizing like many of the responses on this thread?

First, I don't bash Hillary Clinton - I criticize her political stances and question her fitness as the leader of the free world. That is my obligation to my family, my fellow citizens, and myself.

Secondly - this is a competitive election, and I prefer Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton. And just as I will do for the GE when I do canvassing, I take opportunities to try to influence opinions.

Third - there are larger forces and questions that this election raises, including the issues of sexism, racism, and homophobia that have been discussed around these particular candidates. I hope that our conversation around the candidates deepens our understanding of these issues.

Fourth - I have never been a particular fan of Bill or Hillary Clinton, although my positives toward Hillary Clinton were higher until the IWR vote and this campaign season. I am African American and the state of race relations in this country affects me in immediate ways, so I reject and criticize her campaign's racist tactics during this campaign. I point out the ubiquitous use of divide-and-conquer strategies and racial wedge issues to keep the working majority in this country from unifying around their real interests. I'm also opposed to the Republican-lite leanings of the DLC and I see some of those key operatives in the Clinton campaign. As a left outlier in the Democratic party, I want to help push the agenda against free trade, endless war and the military industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, and the lack of real action on a range of domestic issues.

Fifth and finally - the conversation deepens my perspective, my ability to understand political opinion in this country, including among Democrats. And when I like what I see (or don't like it), I post.



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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:58 PM
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107. I think there's a small group of blogger-types who have been hired
by the obama campaign, to sit at their computers and jump on ANY threads to add their spiteful comments....spread crap stories. The filth they spew all has the same tone....near same verbage.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:04 PM
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111. I've heard that rumor, but never seen a source
About Obama hiring 400 bloggers...do you have a source for that?

If he did hire bloggers, I doubt it was to spew hatred...as an Obama supporter, I am frequently embarrassed by some of the Obama supporters here. Can't imagine that's the image the campaign wants to project.

Speaking of blogger types, can you vote in my poll? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6084216
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:39 PM
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112. Hey, if you find a link to where Obama's hiring I could use a few bucks!
You mean I can be paid to post my thoughts in favor of Obama at DU? Or maybe I don't spew enough filth to qualify.

Too bad the Clinton campaign can't afford to do that!
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:00 PM
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108. Anyone who makes a
voting decision based on what people say on a message board is an idiot.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:02 PM
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109. Since I don't spend that much time bashing her, will you vote in my poll?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:02 PM
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110. She does and says things that really upset people
and most don't think strategically.
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