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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:04 PM
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Breaking: McCain Skips Vote On 21st Century G.I. Bill


By Greg Sargent - May 22, 2008, 1:15PM

The Senate just voted to pass Jim Webb's 21st Century version of the G.I. bill, which would greatly expand educational benefits to veterans.

Guess who skipped it?

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137">John McCain.

McCain, who touts his support for veterans, had previously declined to support the bill. He offered another version of it so he'd be seen as having tried to offer an alternate solution.

McCain http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4652517">came under pressure from real live veterans and others to back the Webb bill. And rather than vote against it, he skipped the vote instead.

Both Hillary and Obama http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137">voted for it, and it passed 75-22.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/breaking_mccain_skips_vote_on.php">Link
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM
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1. Awesome! Fodder for the trail.
K/R
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM
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2. Can't wait to see McCain skewered over this
His ass is grass! :rofl:
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:14 PM
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18. He'll get a pass, as always
Somehow he doesn't get held to the fire when it comes to these types of important issues.

They (McCain and the MSM) will say that "the bill was going to pass anyway, so we felt it wasn't crucial to come back. Did we mention McCain was a P.O.W.?"

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM
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3. FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!
Oh, that's the best news! And it passed with a supermajority!

Of course Bush will veto it, and then we'll have another reason to call the GOP Nominee "McSame."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM
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4. I predict McCain will be eviscerated with this - as it should be.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:06 PM
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5. I'm sure VoteVets is already cutting their new ads
McCain is a bum: "I opposed it, before I missed the vote"
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:08 PM
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6. Its a great bill, good for Vets, good for the country
IN OTHER WORDS, CONSERVATIVES OPPOSE IT. Its their way of supporting the troops.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM
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7. Did it get a veto-proof majority in the House? Thanks for posting this! (n/t)
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:10 PM
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8. I have to say...... THANK YOU JOHN MCCAIN!!! for being an idiot
and giving cannon fodder to your campaign.





And thank you to all the Senators that voted yes
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM
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9. Thanks for posting! I was just going to post it.
and John McCain is fundraising in California. Who's the elitist now, MOTHERFUCKER?
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:12 PM
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10. Will Bush veto it?
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:23 PM
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14. Yes. And it will be the first time ever that any president vetos a soldier benefit bill.
Edited on Thu May-22-08 01:23 PM by olkaz
I can't wait to hang this cross on John McCain.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:18 AM
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20. Grover Cleveland vetoed a Civil War veteran pensions bill
It contributed to his defeat in 1888.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:16 PM
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11. McCain = Coward. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:18 PM
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12. McShame !! AWOL ! //nt
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:21 PM
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13. McCain alreay throwing tantrem over being criticized for this
Jesus christ, McCain is pathetic. This is his response? The pearl harbor story again?


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/


22 May 2008 01:26 pm

I don't usually print entire press statements from campaigns, but they're usually not this acidic. The casus belli is today's vote on Sen. Jim Webb's GI bill; McCain opposes it because he worries about military retention and/but has offered a different bill that would provide incentives for folks to stay in the race.

Here's Sen. John McCain, who was one of only three senators not to vote on the bill today:

"It is typical, but no less offensive that Senator Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of. Let me say first in response to Senator Obama, running for President is different than serving as President. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Senator Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim.
"When I was five years old, a car pulled up in front of our house in New London, Connecticut, and a Navy officer rolled down the window, and shouted at my father that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. My father immediately left for the submarine base where he was stationed. I rarely saw him again for four years. My grandfather, who commanded the fast carrier task force under Admiral Halsey, came home from the war exhausted from the burdens he had borne, and died the next day. I grew up in the Navy; served for twenty-two years as a naval officer; and, like Senator Webb, personally experienced the terrible costs war imposes on the veteran. The friendships I formed in war remain among the closest relationships in my life. The Navy is still the world I know best and love most. In Vietnam, where I formed the closest friendships of my life, some of those friends never came home to the country they loved so well .

"But I am running for the office of Commander-in-Chief. That is the highest privilege in this country, and it imposes the greatest responsibilities. It would be easier politically for me to have joined Senator Webb in offering his legislation. More importantly, I feel just as he does, that we owe veterans the respect and generosity of a great nation because no matter how generously we show our gratitude it will never compensate them fully for all the sacrifices they have borne on our behalf.

"Senators Graham, Burr and I have offered legislation that would provide veterans with a substantial increase in educational benefits. The bill we have sponsored would increase monthly education benefits to $1500; eliminate the $1200 enrollment fee; and offer a $1000 annually for books and supplies. Importantly, we would allow veterans to transfer those benefits to their spouses or dependent children or use a part of them to pay down existing student loans. We also increase benefits to the Guard and Reserve, and even more generously to those who serve in the Selected Reserve.

"I know that my friend and fellow veteran, Senator Jim Webb, an honorable man who takes his responsibility to veterans very seriously, has offered legislation with very generous benefits. I respect and admire his position, and I would never suggest that he has anything other than the best of intentions to honor the service of deserving veterans. Both Senator Webb and I are united in our deep appreciation for the men and women who risk their lives so that the rest of us may be secure in our freedom. And I take a backseat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans. And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did.

"The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%.

"Most worrying to me, is that by hurting retention we will reduce the numbers of men and women who we train to become the backbone of all the services, the noncommissioned officer. In my life, I have learned more from noncommissioned officers I have known and served with than anyone else outside my family. And in combat, no one is more important to their soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen, and to the officers who command them, than the sergeant and petty officer. They are very hard to replace. Encouraging people not to choose to become noncommissioned officers would hurt the military and our country very badly. As I said, the office of President, which I am seeking, is a great honor, indeed, but it imposes serious responsibilities. How faithfully the President discharges those responsibilities will determine whether he or she deserves the honor. I can only tell you I intend to deserve the honor if I am fo rtunate to receive it, even if it means I must take politically unpopular positions at times and disagree with people for whom I have the highest respect and affection.

"Perhaps, if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully. But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions. If that is how he would behave as President, the country would regret his election."

Webb's bill passed, 75-22.

Here's what Obama said:

I respect sen. John McCain's service to our country. He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can't understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI bill.
I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the President more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:16 PM
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19. Look at this key line quote:
"And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did."

This guy really is insane but if you between the lines, it sounds like mandatory conscription would be something that McCain would salivate over.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:24 PM
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15. Great News!!
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:36 PM
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16. Kick!
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 03:12 PM
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17. ..
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:25 AM
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21. I'm so proud of both our candidates!
Funny how McCain couldn't make it back to vote on this, but he could take time from his busy fundraising schedule to rant and rave at Obama. I'm looking forward to the debates and seeing McCain stamp his feet and rage like Rumpelstilskin (sp?).
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:14 AM
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22. Kick!
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