Look, McCain is up 4 on Obama now. Hillary as VP could HONESTLY add....

[Greenwood]

A LOT of swing states into our camp. Rasmussen has shown a movement towards McCain and he is up 4 today.

Yes, I now think Obama will be our nominee. And, like I said, I will support him although I like Hillary a lot more.

My fear is Obama will want no part of Hillary as VP.

[Thrill]

1. Why should he want Hillary as VP?

[bunnies]

2. Obama said no. Time to let it go. nt

[MNDemNY]

10. Not his decision.

[bunnies]

16. So the Nominee doesnt get to pick the VP?

Since when? Seems many in the party disagree.

[MNDemNY]

22. Do you really think that LBJ was JFK's choice???LOL.

And Kerry wanted Gephart.

[bunnies]

25. Then lets look at this from another perspective.

If she somehow forces herself on to the ticket, while it is widely known that Obama does not want her there... how to you think that will effect the Democratic party? It cant be good, imho.

[MNDemNY]

27. Same perspective...JFK did not want LBJ...many knew it.

How did it effect that campaign??? JFK won...narrowly.

[bunnies]

30. Do you think its the same politcal attitude as then?

I honestly dont know. Was there as much division between the supporters of each? :shrug:

[MNDemNY]

34. Yes, actually with much the same demographics, "southern "whites.

Things change very slowly.(my term "southern"is not necessarily geographical)

[bunnies]

71. Well... I hope you're correct.

If thats what the ticket ends up being. It makes me very nervous though, given everything thats happened in the primary so far. And it seems to me that the longer it goes on, the more 'bad blood' is being created.

And no doubt that each of them would lose some supporters as a result of a merge. Would there be enough left to sustain a Dem win? I hope so.

[MNDemNY]

77. Having a "Nominee" before a convention, is a VERY recent thing.

[anigbrowl]

19. If you think delegates are going to select Obama, then reject his choice of VP

you are about as deluded as if you think Clinton is going to win the nomination.

[MNDemNY]

24. His "choice" will be made for him by others, as is the custom.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Bullshit! You've read too many seedy novels - it's the candidate's decision.

:eyes:

[MNDemNY]

44. LOL.

No it is not.

[DemVet]

54. Yup...could very well happen.

[ShortnFiery]

38. You want to BET?!? It's OBAMA's decision not "Miss Hilly's"

:grr:

[MNDemNY]

49. No, it's the decision of the delegates at the convention.

It's about the delegates, right?

[DemVet]

Actually it's the convention's decision (50% of whom will be Hilli-fied) They vote for VEEP also.

[MNDemNY]

62. Only a very few Obama delegates needed to make that happen.

If she wants it it's hers.

[ShortnFiery]

73. DAMN, but I'm comforted to know it will be just as much of "a nightmare" for the HillBillys as Obama

So, what the hell. ;)

[MNDemNY]

76. What the hell, indeed.

[truebrit71]

53. Um. Yes it is. She's already asked. He's already kicked her to the curb. HIS decision has been made.

..

[MNDemNY]

61. You fell for that?????LOL

:crazy:

[MNDemNY]

63. That story is pure bull. don't be so gullable. LOL

[Occam Bandage]

3. HRC adds nothing to a ticket that can't be found elsewhere, at a lower political cost,

in a more potent form, and with fewer obstacles to effective governance.

[The Magistrate]

4. Sen. Clinton Will Not Be The Vice-Presidential Candidate, Sir

These numbers for McCain will not hold past the Democratic convention.

"More Wars! Less Jobs! McCain '08"

[MNDemNY]

28. Unless, of course, she wants it.

[The Magistrate]

29. Whether She Wants It Or Not, Sir

She will not fill that slot.

It is unlikely that she does want it; the thing does not suite her temperament.

[MNDemNY]

32. No, if she wants it, it's hers.

She would only need a very small # of Obama delegates to make it happen. I agree that she may not want it, but if she does, it's there for her to have.

[apocalypsehow]

81. You don't quite understand how this works, do you? The nominee chooses his VP, not the delegates.

This silly talking point that "if she wants it, it's hers" is simply false.

[MNDemNY]

85. You are quite wrong.

The VP slot is filled by a SEPARATE vote of the delegates. Not a vote for a "team".Your wrong.

[Independent-Voter]

89. Kind of like the Presidential Nomination, right? She kinda wanted that too.

[VolcanoJen]

56. "Misery, Poverty, and Peak Oil! McCain '08"

You are correct about Senator Clinton vis-a-vis the VP slot, Sir.

:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

59. And don't forget...

50% less ponies.

[PBS Poll-435]

60. Also...

Mandatory Geritol in the drinking water

[VolcanoJen]

65. Oh crap!

"Find the Pony. McCain '08!"

:hi: prodn! :hi:

[The Magistrate]

64. Thank You, Ma'am!

Always a pleasure to see you about the place, my friend.

[bluestateguy]

5. You cherry pick one day of tracking polling from one Republican pollster

:eyes:

I wish Rasmussen would just go away.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Links?

The polls I'm looking at shows McCain behind Obama by 7.

Your fear is well founded in reference to what Obama is looking for in a Veep; namely someone that respects him, which Hillary has yet to do.

[SoonerPride]

7. You're in the bargaining phase of grief.

This too shall pass.

[billyoc]

8. No means No. nt

[LordJFT]

9. prudent people look at averages

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php

[book_worm]

11. Other polls show Obama leading McCain. I'm not panicked.

[Lerkfish]

12. please don't use "Hillary" "VP" and "HONESTLY" in the same sentence.

thanks

[MadBadger]

13. Rasmussen has McCain up 3 on Hillary

[Pisces]

14. Keep begging the answer is NOOOOOO

[nichomachus]

15. You'll add some and then

you'll lose a lot more who thought Obama was a move away from the Bush-Clinton dynastic politics. Hillary as VP could cost Obama the election.

[gcomeau]

17. Adding Hillary as VP adds...

...the entire Republican base that McCain is having problems mobilizing to McCain's count. Instantly. And destroys Obama's crossover appeal.

She does NOT offset that by bringing in enough people to Obama's camp that he wouldn't bring in without choosing her. No chance in hell.

[ShortnFiery]

42. Adding HRC (and Bill) to the VP is like Obama seeking adoption of The Menendez Brothers.

:scared: :thumbsdown:

[gkhouston]

48. ROFL!

:thumbsup: on your analogy!

[ShortnFiery]

72. I wish that I could take credit for this wit, but it was a noble democratic strategist on MSNBC. eom

[TeamsterDem]

18. As an Obama supporter

I hope he picks her. I agree with your assessment.

[lurky]

20. McCain will not hold up to scrutiny.

He's like Giuliani: People like the concept of McCain, but the reality of McCain will be hard for them to swallow.

[kenny blankenship]

21. Write this down:

NO.

[gateley]

23. I disagree --

It would probably help to get the Dem voters who won't vote for her if Obama gets the nom, but it won't attract any Republicans. They'll come out en masse to vote AGAINST such a ticket, since they've historically disliked her so much.

It's not just the Dems who will be voting in November, we have to remember that our 'target audience' are the Reps who are unhappy with McCain, and give them a ticket they would feel good about supporting.

[mkultra]

26. Obama is up 4 over McCain while clinton is up 1

She is a boat anchor. A magical boat anchor that tells only lies.

[C_U_L8R]

31. If Hillary was simply out of the race

the democratic nominee's numbers would skyrocket.
The polls are split and don't reflect a true one on one contest.

[jaysunb]

33. "My fear is Obama will want no part of Hillary as VP"

God, I hope you're right......

[Hepburn]

35. No Hillary. PERIOD!

Obama's message is CHANGE...not more of the same.

[NC_Nurse]

36. No. She has made herself a liability.

[ShortnFiery]

37. NO WAY! It's not an option, no matter how many times HRC and her Surrogates throw tantrums.

:nuke:

[Buzz Clik]

39. Hillary could lose a lot of swing votes.

The fire-breathing Hillary supporters aside, she is pure poison.

[debatepro]

45. Ding ding ding...

One thing people tend to forget (even cnn doing general election analysis - this last tuesday) is she gets crushed by McCain't in WA and OR.

[VolcanoJen]

58. Precisely. Not to mention it's what the GOP is hoping for.

Nothing could reunite the GOP the way a Clinton being a heartbeat away from the Presidency would.

[jenmito]

41. And if Hillary doesn't get out of the race June 4th and support Obama, he'll CONTINUE to be up on

him. We need to start the GE so Obama can start hitting back and Hillary can start helping heal the party.

[DearAbby]

43. It is 5 months to the GE...

polls are all over the place, no reason to use polls in May for the General election in November. Obama has the right to the decision of running mate. I trust him to make that choice.

[MNDemNY]

46. The right of the decision lies with the delegates at the convention.

[lurky]

50. Is that the current strategy?

To force his hand at the convention?

[MNDemNY]

I'm not advocating it, but maybe.

IMHO, if she wants the VP slot, it's hers.

[DearAbby]

80. Then by all means

Tell Barbara Boxer, who stated Obama has the right to pick his own running mate.

Also you are forgetting, as presumptive Nominee, Obama will have the majority of the delegates, I don't see them humiliating Obama by not allowing him to have his own choice in his running mate. In Otherwords, voting against him at the convention. This will be settled before August 28th.

[Life Long Dem]

47. Oh... I guess I'll have to post a poll myself. n/t

[MNDemNY]

52. Please do, DU polls are sooo informative.

[truebrit71]

51. He has already told her no.

End of story.

[MNDemNY]

66. That "story" is pure bull.

I laugh at you for falling for it.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[truebrit71]

68. Links?

Thanks!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:eyes:

[MNDemNY]

70. Links to a non-story?

[truebrit71]

82. I have links to the story...you say the story is false...links please...

...or are you just making this shit up as you go along?

[PVnRT]

55. Still six months to election day, you know

Things tend to change.

[hokies4ever]

57. No need to awaken the sleeping conservatives

People always vote for the top of the ticket, not the bottom of the ticket. However, people WILL vote AGAINST the bottom of the ticket. Hillary's high negatives won't be good. Plus why take her on and assume her $30 million debt. Let her pay it off herself.

[Vinca]

67. Polls are up, polls are down. It's foolish to scrutinize them at this point.

For every good poll for Hillary there are 2 for Obama.

[MadBadger]

69. RASMUSSEN SHOWS MCCAIN UP FOUR VS HILLARY

Jesus Christ...Can you only be reached through all caps?

[Hamlette]

74. after yesterday, I will not vote Dem if she is on the ballot anywhere

her dishonest diatribe was the end of the road for me. Like you, I liked Hillary better...last year. I've slowly lost it.

She has deligitimized this election because she is losing. Or wants something she won't tell us about (VP?)

She's too dishonest for me. I can't vote for a bald faced liar like she is and not, it wasn't the Bosnian thing, as bad as that was. It is the "I won the popular vote" BS she's saying now.

She agreed FL and MI would not count. AGREED.

Now she has changed her mind.

Why?

Any good reason except it serves her own self interest?

Not that I can see.

[MNDemNY]

78. Oh, get over your self.

[workinclasszero]

75. Has Hillary conceded defeat yet?

Has she directed her supporters to get behind Obama with their votes and money?

Oh HELL NO!

So, what are we talking about???

[zulchzulu]

79. Hillary on the tickets gets MILLIONS OF REPIGS out to vote against her

As it is, they might tire of McSame and stay home. If they have two Clintons to vote against, they will come out in droves.

[cloudythescribbler]

83. On balance HRC would COST Obama votes, while others could BOOST him substantially ...

I say the nominee should be a woman who never supported the Iraq War Resolution (IWR). Barbara Boxer is my favorite choice.

Here's an (incomplete) list of those supposedly being considered (with neither Boxer nor Stabenow on it), from Marc Ambinder writing at theatlantic.com:

Potential ticket-mates, in no particular order, include Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) former Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA), Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA), Ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD), Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM), Ex-Sen. John Edwards, (D-NC), Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS), Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ), Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) ex-Rep. Tim Roemer (D-IN), Gov. Ted Strickland (D-OH) and others.

[DefenseLawyer]

84. Embrace your fear.

I hate to say this... but this place is getting to me... I think I'm getting... The Fear.

[Butch350]

86. Look, McCain is up 4 on Obama now. Hillary as VP could

be an Albatross!!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

87. Nice Try. Keep Posting Until You Get It Right

According to Real Clear Politics Obama has a 5-Point RCP Average lead on McCain, and is tied in the Rasmussen Poll.

By contrast Real Clear Politics is showing Hillary with a 1.5-Point RCP Average Lead. She is also tied in the latest Rasmussen Poll.

As for the swing states, Obama is leading in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and McCain's lead in Florida has dwindled to 0.3% -- well within the margin of error on any poll ever devised. The notion that Hillary -- and only Hillary -- will help us in the swing states is absurd. Any number of Democratic candidates (Wes Clarke, Jim Webb) would have the same effect and would not bring the political baggage that Hillary would bring.

[scheming daemons]

88. "My fear is Obama will want no part of Hillary as VP."

My fear is that he will.

[dkf]

90. You are correct that Obama wants no part of Hillary as VP or I suspect anything else.

Hillary is taking unpleasantness to new heights. Why would Obama want her anywhere near him?

[Phx_Dem]

91. Whatever Hillary might add,

which I think would be very little would be offset by her toxicity. She embodies all that Obama is running against. Her recent behavior, the over-the-top hysterics and the mud-slinging by her and her husband have ruined any chances she may have had.

She has shown that she simply is not fit to be President, and if she isn't fit to be President, she isn't fit to be Vice President.

She has no one to blame but herself.