Hillary supporters know that if Florida and Michigan are counted as is that Obama wins anyway right?

[stevenleser]

Just saying. Seems like a lot of energy is being wasted by them on this fight.

[patrice]

1. I'd bet money, if I had any, that they're building their own 527s or PACs or what have you

inside the Obama campaign, MoveOn-style.

She WILL be back.

[stevenleser]

3. I don't understand what you mean...

... maybe I am so busy I am a little obtuse.

[patrice]

8. Obama's web-tool is wide open to anyone who wants to use it. It's all about networking and the

whole "Independent" and "Cross-over" phenomenon.

Yeah, those who see the hand-writing on the wall are probably even supporting his candidacy, especially in states that have already voted. But, a few people who know one another can also build relationships and work together independent from the Obama campaign.

[MNDemNY]

2. Who are the "uncommitted" from Michigan? These are PEOPLE, not just numbers.

Unclear how they would vote. That explains Obama's hesitance.

[msallied]

4. Well they obviously aren't votes for Hillary.

[MNDemNY]

5. Why is that obvious???

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Because unlike Obama, her name was actually ON THE BALLOT in Michigan.

Anyone who wanted to vote for Hillary, voted for Hillary.

I suspect more than a few of them have changed their minds, since then, actualy.

[MNDemNY]

17. Many of the "undeclared" are union members for Clinton.

[haymakeragain]

18. That decided to vote undeclared instead of just voting for Hillary?

Is there any reach to far for you guys? Damn.

[MNDemNY]

20. No they wanted to be delegates to the convention. Ever been one?

I have, elected as an "uncommitted" It's a strategy game.Say what you want about the Clintons, but they are good at that.

[Ganja Ninja]

19. Now why would they vote undeclared when Hillary's name was

on the ballot?

[MNDemNY]

21. You have it upside down.

They RAN as uncommitted, to get a seat at the convention. It's more common then you think.

[damntexdem]

6. No, they want to make a bogus "popular vote" claim.

And they can't begin to make it unless they can use their own math, including counting all Clinton votes from FL and MI. They toss out all caucus results as not being "votes" -- even though attending a caucus involves much-greater dedication than simply voting. And they plan in include the popular vote from Puerto Rico, which they expect to be heavily pro-HRC. Then they'll make whatever other 'adjustments' necessary to give Hillary a "majority of the popular vote," and claim that that should outweigh earned pledged delegates.

It's the butterfly ballot, hanging chads, and felonious SCOTUS intervention all rolled into one HRC strategy to change the rules enough that Hillary "wins" the nomination.

[stevenleser]

11. They can make that claim all they want. The superdelegates have known all about it for months.

They are still going in droves to Obama.

[Growler]

7. Their claims are utter nonsense

AND they know it. At this point they are intentionally sowing dischord.

[Oleladylib]

9. You had better read the early warning signs for Obama on CNN!

[stevenleser]

10. Do they change the delegate calculus? Id like this OP/thread to stay focused.

If you want to discuss other things, lets start another OP.

[truebrit71]

13. That's why this whole "let the votes" count bullshit ACTUALLY means "let the votes FOR ME"...

..count and no-one else...

She's looking to have her cake and eat it too...

100% disingenuous, and 1 million % despicable...

[WeDidIt]

14. The idea is to get it to within 100 delegates

then fight it on the floor at the convention.

They beleive they can win a floor fight if they pledged delegate lead is under 100.

[stevenleser]

23. If this goes to a Floor fight, best to look forward to 2016 and get used to President McSame (n/t)

[2rth2pwr]

15. Then what's the big deal? Why is every Obama supporter acting hysterical?

Just seat them and move on.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. It isn't about any candidate.

It's about doing the right thing.

Obama will almost certainly be our nominee. And I've got absolutely no problem with that. I like the man personally and as a politician. (Some of his supporters, well....)

I just want to say that I was a part of the process that nominated him. That's all I want. It's pretty simple.

[stevenleser]

22. That is going to happen regardless of any action by Hillary supporters.

The rules committee is going to meet and going to decide this on May 31. If everyone sat on their hands and did nothing, they would do that. If we all jump up and down and scream, they are still going to do it.

[stevenleser]

24. Kick

:kick: