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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:07 PM
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Secret GOP Weapon: The Scots-Irish Vote (by Jim Webb)
This article was written by our very own Virginia senator, Jim Webb, right before the 2004 election. It wasn't paid much attention to then, but I feel it has a significant amount of relevance now given Obama's problems in Appalachia. It sheds some light on what makes Appalachia tick. Are there racists in Appalachia? Yes. Just like everywhere in the United States. But to paint the entire region as "racist" does them a huge disservice.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005798

Speaking in a quasirural dialect that his critics dismiss as affected, W. is telling his core voting groups that he is one of them. No matter that he is the product of many generations of wealth; that his grandfather was a New England senator; that his father moved the family's wealth South just like the hated Carpetbaggers after the Civil War; that he himself went North to Andover and Yale and Harvard when it came time for serious grooming. And as with the persona, so also with the key issues. The Bush campaign proceeds outward from a familiar mantra: strong leadership, success in war, neighbor helping neighbor, family values, and belief in God. Contrary to many analyses, these issues reach much farther than the oft-discussed Christian right. The president will not win re-election without carrying the votes of the Scots-Irish, along with those others who make up the "Jacksonian" political culture that has migrated toward the values of this ethnic group.


At the same time, few key Democrats seem even to know that the Scots-Irish exist, as this culture is so adamantly individualistic that it will never overtly form into one of the many interest groups that dominate Democratic Party politics. Indeed, it can be fairly said that Al Gore lost in 2000 because the Democrats ignored this reality and the Scots-Irish enclaves of West Virginia and Tennessee turned against him.


Why are the 30 million Scots-Irish, who may well be America's strongest cultural force, so invisible to America's intellectual elites? It is commonplace for commentators to lump together those who are descended from British roots into the WASP culture typified by New England Brahmins, or the Irish, who are overwhelmingly Catholic. But it is political nonsense to consider the Scots-Irish as part of either.


The Scots-Irish comprised a large percentage of Reagan Democrats, and contributed heavily to the "red state" votes that gave Mr. Bush the presidency in 2000. The areas with the highest Scots-Irish populations include New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, northern Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, northern Louisiana, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, southern Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, and parts of California, particularly Bakersfield. The "factory belt," especially around Detroit, also has a strong Scots-Irish mix.


This is the particular group that Obama has had troubles with throughout the entire primary season. They are better known as Appalachian voters. They have given some very slanted margins to Hillary in Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Ohio, Western Virginia, Western North Carolina, Northern Tennessee, etc. The Obamites tell us that the Democrats can ignore them and win the election. That is simply not the case. Only when the Democrats tap into Appalachia do they win the election. Jimmy Carter tapped into Southeastern Ohio and won Ohio by the slightest of margins in 1976 against Gerald Ford. In 1992 and 1996, Bill Clinton did exceptionally well in Southeastern Ohio, which helped give him the election. John Kerry and Al Gore did terribly in Appalachia, and in Kerry's case his lackluster performance in Southeast Ohio, essentially Appalachia Country, is why he didn't win Ohio and thus the election.

The Appalachia voting bloc is very important. To ignore it and deem it as irrelevant will mean that we could possibly be looking at a 3rd straight presidential election loss.

Hillary can relate to these voters. Obama, as of today, has done terribly among this voting bloc. Can he improve with them? Perhaps. But he simply can't ignore them like he did over the last few days when his visits to Kentucky and West Virginia were an afterthought. Hillary gives us "street cred" among these voters. It is one of the reasons why she is more electable. Without Appalachia, the Democrats simply don't win elections. Period.

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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:11 PM
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1. He can ignore KY all summer long. Every minute he spends there
is a minute wasted.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:13 PM
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2. If he gives a middle finger to Appalachia, they will give some slanted margins to McCain.
And there is a pocket of Appalachia in Southeast Ohio which is the swing part of the state. If you don't win it, you don't win the election.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:14 PM
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3. Hillary doesn't appeal to these people compared to McCain.
She may appeal to them more than Obama, but against McCain she will not.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:15 PM
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4. False. The Clintons have more cred in Appalachia than McCain.
In addition, McCain is out of touch with Appalachia compared to Bush.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:37 PM
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9. BILL does. Hillary does not. And the GOP will make it so Bill can't campaign for her.
You know, frame it as the "Return of Bill"
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:38 PM
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10. Hillary does have cred in Appalachia due to Bill.
Did you see the exit poll numbers in West Virginia? West Virginia loves Bill.

The GOP can frame it however they like, but Bill will be campaigning for Hillary in the general election if she is nominated and he is nothing but a positive for her in Appalachia.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:42 PM
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12. I said KY not OH.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:26 PM
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20. What happened to the 50-state strategy? Goddamnit, Stop changing strategies.
Goddamn indecisive Democratic Party strategists,
Scots-Irish (I am half German, half Scots-Irish)
want to see CONSISTENCY and BACKBONE.

That said, Obama appears to have a cultural problem in the coal counties.

The only counties that VOTED for Kerry and Gore are the ones where
Obama only got 5% OF THE VOTE.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:17 PM
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5. That's why Jim Webb should be Obama's VP
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:43 PM
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14. They'd have to agree on an "Appalachian strategy" first.

Not on the same page as of right now.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:19 PM
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6. I agree with you, NJS --
Edited on Wed May-21-08 08:22 PM by gateley
at least to the extent that Obama probably won't do well with these voters if he doesn't at least make an effort to go to them.

I think he needs to go and just say "I'm asking for your support".

If I were an undecided voter and only one candidate came to my state, that is the candidate who would get my vote.

A caller on Randi today was a retired Naval Officer. He said when they would get the Appalachian kids, they'd steer clear of their AA counterparts at first. After a while, when they got to know each other, they'd become friends. He said that it wasn't necessarily racism, but more of a lack of EXPOSURE to these people who they viewed as being so very different.

Obama needs the exposure in these areas -- give people a chance to get to know him in person.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:25 PM
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7. Most people in Appalachia are very sheltered.
They fear outsiders. Bush was an elite from Texas, but he related to these people. He went to their small towns and talked to them. You can say whatever you like about Bush's screw-ups in office, but his greatest gift has always been retail politics. It is the reason why he got elected.

Obama can't brush off these voters and give them the middle finger - these voters will let him know at the polls come November if he is the Democratic nominee.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:30 PM
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8. I agree with you
One thing I've liked in general about Obama's approach has been his willingness to talk to anyone and bring in every possible group - along with the 50 state strategy of Dean's. I think we ignore different groups, aiming for a 51% win at our dire peril.

I don't know that he could win over these groups. But I absolutely agree that he needs to try. And meeting someone, seeing someone talking to people like you, is far more convincing than just a news story.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:31 PM
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21. Good point. It is a CULTURAL xenophobia that is very profound due to isolation
The West Virginians who actually move to DC make black friends readily;
my "left-liberal" yuppie neighbors DO NOT associate with black people.

However many more West Virginians are unwilling to set foot in city
limits. Some of them complained to this effect when the hockey team
was moved downtown.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:40 PM
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11. I'm Scots-Irish on my father's side.
It's where my worst traits originate. :silly:

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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:43 PM
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13. I am Scots-Irish he will not have any problem getting my vote.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:03 PM
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15. The book "Deer Hunting with Jesus" covers this well;
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:18 PM
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16. Thank you. I'll take a look at the book. n/t
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:27 PM
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18. a quick read, less than 300 pages;
Joe left Winchester Va. and spent 25+ years on the west coast. Returned home after retirement to find that his old friends were voting against their best interest (Republican) and the factors that brought that about. Also has a scathing but true discussion about how we on the left look down upon these people and how we need to open up a dialog to show how we best serve their interests. My whole family has read the book and enjoyed...hope you will also.....:toast:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:25 PM
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17. Jim Webb himself said today that Obama could win these voters
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:33 PM
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19. I REALLY want Webb to be Obama's VP.
Really, really, really want him on that ticket.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:33 PM
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22. NJSecularist, when did you start makin sense like this?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 10:33 PM by Leopolds Ghost
This is actual constructive criticism with no overblown concern...

Are you Scots-Irish?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:47 PM
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24. No, I am not Scots-Irish. n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:33 PM
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23. Webb makes a lot of sense as Obama's VP
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:02 PM
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25. Funny: the intellectual elite are the only folks concerned with this
"Why are the 30 million Scots-Irish, who may well be America's strongest cultural force, so invisible to America's intellectual elites?"

They are not. Some of these 30 million are actually part of America's intellectual elite. Many of these people have written books exploring the history, tastes and politics of of the Scots-Irish.

Indeed, the intellectual elite may be the only folks really fully aware of the Scots-Irish in America. If the Scots-Irish are invisible, it's largely to themselves. In many places, they're so common that they are simply called "white people." It's a little like being the most common ethnicity, German: there's a certain "so what?" factor.

Anyway, that's it. In summary, to the extent that the Scots-Irish have maintained distinctive folkways, their ubiquity means that these patterns of behavior have also been adopted by their non-scots-Irish neighbors. If anyone does care about these folks, it's the historians, sociologists and linguists who study them. Much ink has been spilled on the subject by the elite who are supposedly ignorant of them, whereas there's many a person named Campbell or some such in this country who don't know what Ulster is.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:14 PM
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26. Appalachia Schmappalachia
the election will be won or lost in the west in the Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona area.

providing, of course, Obama doesn't take off like a rocket come the convention, which I totally expect will happen.
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