Most Clinton voters in Kentucky not willing to support Obama

[BayouBengal07]

(CNN) -- Two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's supporters in Kentucky say they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than for Barack Obama, exit polls show.

-snip-

Forty-one percent of Clinton supporters said they'd cast their vote for John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and 23 percent said they would not vote at all.

Just 33 percent said they would back Obama in the general election, according to the polls.

Those numbers are even worse for Obama than in West Virginia one week ago, where 36 percent of Clinton voters said they would back him in the fall.

More... http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

Good Democrats.

[EFerrari]

1. Go, Kentucky! Say goodbye to Roe! Thanks!

[tekisui]

2. Hillocrats.

[Renew Deal]

11. Republarry's

:shrug:

[GarbagemanLB]

3. They are angry their candidate has lost.

[texshelters]

10. And that's a reason to give up your rights?

Hate and anger always lead to good results!

Tex Shelters

[VeraAgnes]

18. No, they don't like Obama nor do they find him

to be a leader.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. They'll get what they deserve if McCain wins in Nov.

Unfortunately, all of us will be punished in that scenario. :(

[VeraAgnes]

36. Here are some early results from Ky.

I googled for exit polls and such earlier.....this is all I could find with an on the ground view.


http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1485


Update 6:20pm EST - 1% of polls in;

Clinton 3,903 (64%),

Obama 1,823 (31%)

45% say that John Edwards endorsement was important to them. 51% said it wasn’t important

73% women voted for Clinton

92% that valued experience voted for Clinton

In November election between McCain and Obama: 15% would stay home

[susankh4]

54. That's always the way....

Which is why one must vote for the one who can win.

Not the one who looks good in Raybans.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. Why isn't Her Inevitableness winning the primary then?

[Labors of Hercules]

35. Well, I imagine that's because...

He's not willing to put on a white robe, mask and pointy hat.

[susankh4]

52. Correct.

And they see McCain as a second option.

[Telly Savalas]

67. In other words they prefer the leadership of a man who promises 100 more years in Iraq.

That is to say, they're not very bright.

[jeffrey_X]

51. They lack the capactity to critically think and look at the bigger picture.

IMO

[susankh4]

53. There, there now little elitist.

[iamthebandfanman]

84. trust me

most people in kentucky could give two rats ass about hillary... or obama...

its gonna go red... cause the politics of fear, division, and religion always works.... and nobody's better at that than republicans.
but hey, I'm hoping for a miracle...

[NJmaverick]

4. I see the results of Hillary's and Ferraro's efforts are showing results

Hillary is utterly disgraceful with her divisive and false sexism claims.

[rucky]

23. Limbaugh

is loving this.

[Faygo Kid]

29. She's burned many bridges. Not sure there are many left now.

Remember, many of her Appalachian supporters - say a third - would never vote for a black man anyway. Another third may be lost, and that last third will likely change their minds by November with what is at stake. That last third may push to about half, if she will campaign for Obama.

I have said it before and will say it again - have never seen such an extraordinary reaction by a Dem candidate's supporters. And I think it ironic in the Nth degree that Obama supporters have been called members of a "cult." The real cult is the Hillary cult, which has been made abundantly clear. Extraordinary.

[murielm99]

37. Stop blaming Clinton and Ferraro for you candidate's

shortcomings, and for the open racism of some of the people in that part of the country.

I was canvassing Sunday in Illinois. We hit mostly blue collar neighborhoods, with a county board candidate and our Democratic Congressional candidate. We were asking Democrats to vote for our candidates, seeing who needed to register,and we were looking for some new activists. The areas we canvassed had no Democratic precinct committeemen and little participation. They vote, but we were looking for some more visibility from people in this area.

Many of the people we met, in Northern Illinois, and in a town that has a significant Latino population and a visible African American community, told us that they will vote for all the other Democrats, but they will not vote for Obama. Some of them were overtly racist. Some liked Clinton and were disappointed that she was not the assumed nominee.

I did not do a formal survey. That is not why I was canvassing. But this sentiment is widespread, even in his home state.

Obama is not the best candidate. He gamed the primary system and won a lot of red states. He could lose in November. Start working with your fellow Democrats and start healing the divide now, before it is too late. We stand to lose everything if McCain is elected.

[neverforget]

45. He gamed the primary system? WTF? Are you saying he cheated somehow?

:shrug:

[murielm99]

65. How do you suppose he got so many delegates?

He should never have been the nominee.

[neverforget]

68. Last time I looked, he won more delegates than Hillary. Since that is how

the Democratic nominee is chosen AND there has been no indication of any cheating AND you're not backing it up with any sort of evidence, I will just conclude you are full of shit.

[murielm99]

77. Read this thread.

Pay close attention to the things said by flyarm.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4883640

I think the media has full knowledge of how Obama has been winning caucuses. They are saving their knowledge to use against him in the general if he is the nominee.

If you choose not to view any of this with an open mind, you are the one full of shit.

[neverforget]

81. Some blogger said there was cheating going on and this is your evidence?

:rofl:

In order for Obama to have "cheated" and gained all the delegates he has would mean more than what you submitted as "evidence". Obama won the caucus in Texas but lost the primary and lost the primary in Ohio. I don't see the evidence of cheating on a scale that would be required for Obama to have his lead in delegates. Provide it please.

[murielm99]

82. Laugh all you want.

He gamed the system. It will come out during the general election.

[neverforget]

87. And you know this how? Did Hillary tell you this? Good God, if he was doing

this don't you think Hillary would be SCREAMING about this now so she can get the nomination? Sheer lunacy!
:crazy:

[ladeyday]

71. well he IS the nominee

[murielm99]

76. Because you say so?

If you say it long enough and loud enough it becomes true? You asshats call Clinton every name in the book and yet you use republican propaganda tools shamelessly.

[TBF]

73. This shows your bias, and if you'd like examples of cheating check out

West Texas, where counties locked doors early so they could vote straight Clinton without any opposition.

[TBF]

"Open racism" is a problem, and particularily a problem when it is overtly encouraged. That is why

we are blaming Clinton and Ferraro. They could put an end to it if they wanted to, but instead they encourage it because Clinton gets a few more votes that way. I hope the "hard-working white people" are happy when McCain puts his next fascist on the Supreme Court and we lose even more liberties. Where will Clinton be then? She will be preparing for her run in 2012, because it's all about her. Hopefully her friend McCain won't decide to do away with elections once he skews the court the way he wants it. Although it would be fun to see the look on Hillary's face if he did.

[murielm99]

66. Most of these people do not know a thing about what

Ferraro said, and they would not care.

If Obama is the nominee, the people who have made the hostile comments against Clinton on DU and in other places on the Internet, the people working on their first campaign and making everything personal, and the Obama campaign itself will have to do the reaching out. Do you want to win?
Then stop the finger pointing and get to work.

[virtualobserver]

5. we will see how they feel when November rolls around

[Ashy Larry]

17. Exactly.

Asking people this question right after they just voted for a candidate who is probably going to lose isn't going to give you useful data.

[stray cat]

6. Did Kentucky go for Bush in 2004?

[roseBudd]

13. Of course, as did Indiana & Ohio

[mountainvue]

74. Ohio's 04 results are

questionable.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

86. And in 2000

2000 Results

Bush: 622,332

Gore: 399,276


2004 Results

Bush: 1,069,439

Kerry: 712,733

Yet the fact that Hillary got 459,119 votes from the primary means to some that she's a sure winner there in 2008. I don't get it. :shrug:

[texshelters]

7. Go McCain Go! HE's got the experience!

Or check out this link to see who to REALLY vote for:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=266473317&blogID=395279058&Mytoken=66743FD9-6ACC-47D1-93B2E239DB49CEF553110574

Tex Shelters

[2rth2pwr]

8. What did you expect? Obama wouldn't show up there, and says that he will fight for that state in the

General. Riiight.

[texshelters]

15. He'll send some opperatives, like Edwards

but it won't matter. Kentuky is a Republican state, and wouldn't go for Clinton in the fall either.

Tex Shelters

[2rth2pwr]

26. Edwards isn't any help. In 2004 he couldn't help Kerry carry his state much less his own county.

[TBF]

57. If I were Obama I wouldn't go there either. It's not like he'd get a warm welcome.

[cynatnite]

9. I'm of the opinion that will change fairly quickly...

once it's official and Hillary is out of the race. We need to convince them that McCain is bush term #3 and educate them on his anti-choice views.

[texshelters]

20. If people don't know McCain is McBush Jr. by now

they haven't been paying attention. Perhaps as he panders to the far right of his party, more people will come around.

Tex Shelters

[cynatnite]

25. A lot of people still think that McCain's a maverick...

I've heard several pundits pass that around repeatedly.

[texshelters]

38. He certainly has trailblazed the path from moderate to ultra-right

like no one has done before.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[Indenturedebtor]

12. Well that's just shocking

Lol. Breaking news.. this just in!

Kentucky has a higher percentage of racists than the national average.

What a shock :eyes:

I've spent quite a bit of time in Kentucky (grew up in Indiana), and lemme tell you I was always afraid to use my credit cards because of my last name. Some great people in Kentucky sure, but there's a lot of folks with confederate flags driving around in them thar hills.

[2rth2pwr]

32. What's your last name, Hatfield?

[Indenturedebtor]

64. No hehehe Goldberg

Of course I could have used the "WWF" Defense. Don't think the Whoopie defense would have flown :P

[AllentownJake]

14. Fuck Appalachia

[Cali_Democrat]

22. My thoughts exactly

There are some very good people there, but a lot of them are just fucking nuts. :crazy:

[AllentownJake]

27. You can't sell change

in a part of the country that hasn't changed since 1950 nor do they want to.

[AllentownJake]

28. You can't sell change

in a part of the country that hasn't changed since 1950 nor do they want to.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Ah, that's the attitude!

I remember when Democrats CARED about Appalachia. But then, I remember when they cared about working-class people, too. Now they're insulted and dismissed here.

[kid a]

16. Water is wet...and other obvious data

[AspenRose]

19. And the Dixiecrat purge of 2008 keeps on going strong.

*sigh*

[totodeinhere]

21. This just goes to show that most Clinton supporters in KY are not good Democrats.

What does this say about Clinton and her campaign that so many of her supporters are disloyal to the Democratic Party?

I'm glad that the supporters of my candidate, Senator Obama, are by and large good loyal Democrats.

[Sensitivity]

Unfortunately the campaign has solidified a negative opinion of Obama among "Hardworking Whites"

[Arugula Latte]

24. These people aren't doing much to dispel the image of Appalachia

as a bastion of ignorant, racist dumbfucks, are they?

[MonkeyFunk]

42. yawn

yes, racism is the ONLY reason someone doesn't vote for Obama. :eyes:

[Liberal Gramma]

55. Of course it isn't

It's ONE reason, and an indefensible one. Others are more rational: they think Clinton the better candidate; they have a favorable opinion of the Clinton presidency and hope for a repeat; they think it's time for a woman president. All these are valid reasons to vote Clinton, but none is a valid reason for a Democrat to vote for McCain in November. There is too much at stake to let the Repugs have another shot at destroying the country.

[Arugula Latte]

56. I didn't say that it was. nt

[Barack_America]

30. Well, they've got about 5 months to learn about Barack and learn that the Dem platform...

Can vastly improve the situation they find themselves in, whereas another Republican President will only worsen it.

If they choose to vote against their best interests, we can't stop them.

ETA:

Again, I'd like to point out that Barack didn't campaign there. So remember that these people didn't get a chance to really learn about Obama before you condemn them.

[AlinPA]

62. I think his race will be the deciding factor for them. Also WVA. nt

[Zachstar]

31. Screw them!

No way we are going to win Kentucky in the fall. If they don't care about Roe vs Wade SCREW THEM!!

[Justitia]

33. The Clinton campaign has been actively fomenting racial divisiveness. -eom

[mkultra]

39. omg, so we might lose KY?

[Windy]

40. Old south racism...pure and simple. Sorry, that's what it is. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

44. LOL

Kentucky's the "old south"?

[moondust]

83. Here, see for yourself.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/slavery/slave-maps/mason-dixon-line.htm

[SoCalDem]

43. Hillary gave the racists the okay to speak their minds..

She re-branded them "hardworking people..white people" and they are free to ROAR now.. they are no longer racists, ashamed to speak their minds away from "their own kind"..NOW they are "free to move about the cabin" and tell anyone with a microphone that they voted for the white lady..and hell no, they won't vote for the "black guy".. She made it okay for them to "come out".:puke:

and the GOD-DAMNED press refuses to call it what it IS..instead "choosing" to make Obama defend the reason why HE "can't win those folks"..

[StevieM]

46. It's not about race IMO, it's about the fact that Obama is a bad person (eom)

[EFerrari]

48. Sure because you have posted so much back up to that ridiculous claim.

lol

[Name removed]

49. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TBF]

50. Obama is a "bad person"? Well, Clinton has cooties so there!

:rofl:


Not about race, huh? Say, I have some oceanfront property available cheap in West Texas? Any interest?

[Beacool]

75. Yeah, right.............

Hilary was only quoting an article from the AP. Working class people are not voting for him because he's not connecting with him.

He has lost their vote in OH, IN, PA, WV, KY and in several other states. Yes, he did get it in some of the caucus states and in very liberal places like WA & now OR. But over all, they don't relate to him.

[EFerrari]

47. Cool. I won't support the Klan, either. We're even!

:rofl:

[Tatiana]

59. I have been to Kentucky. Sorry to say, it's a lost cause.

I met some truly wonderful people there, make no mistake, who will vote for the Democratic nominee. But the majority, in my experience, indicated that they would vote for McCain in the general election.

I asked one African-American lady who was voting in Louisville for Obama why Obama was having such a hard time getting his message across in Kentucky. She said she wished he had campaigned more in the state, but that her feeling was that the majority of white voters in the state would not vote for an African-American. "That's the God's honest truth," she told me.

A white guy approached me in a McDonald's and said he liked my Obama for President button and that I was brave for wearing it. I asked him why it was brave to wear an Obama button. He said because most from his home town (Bowling Green) would "piss their pants" before they would vote for a black man. He said it was sad. I asked him who he was voting for and he said McCain, but that Obama was not all bad.

Another (white) guy waiting in line overheard our conversation and said that he was voting for Clinton and he wasn't a racist. I asked him why he was voting for Clinton and he said because she was the better candidate. I asked him how she was the better candidate. He said she was more experienced. I asked this guy what had she done. "Well, she was in the White House with Bill for 8 years... common sense says she learned something."

We went back and forth over the issue for a bit. As far as I could tell, he was voting for Bill Clinton via Hillary. We were wrapping up our "spirited" conversation when he dropped the jewel of "and I don't think Islamofascist muslims should even be allowed to run for President."

He couldn't even explain to me what an islamofascist was. I said "God Bless" and got the hell outta there.

[writes3000]

61. This post says it all. And most of these people will vote for McCain in the GE.

This state values Southern white men most of all.

[Tatiana]

63. And that's the point most miss when they say "Bill Clinton won....."

Be it West Virginia or Kentucky. Bill Clinton was running as a southern CONSERVATIVE Democrat.

That is not Obama. Obama is not from the South and he's not viewed as a conservative. Bill Clinton ran on a platform of Republican favorites like "personal responsibility" and "welfare reform."

THAT'S WHY HE WON. Because he was a center-right candidate. Obama is running as a center-left candidate. In that context, it is easy to see why he won't win states like Kentucky and West Virginia and why he will win states like New Mexico, Colorado, Minnesota, and Iowa.

65% of the voters in Kentucky identified themselves as conservatives. That's probably the percentage Clinton is going to get. The conservatives are voting for Clinton. THAT'S her base.

All this "working white voter" dialogue is nonsense, basically. Clinton is winning the majority of the CONSERVATIVE vote, which just happens to be white, not college educated, etc in those respective states. Obama is getting the center-left voters and progressives... so the states that have high percentages of independents/progressives usually trend towards him.

[Blue_Roses]

60. it's a red state anyway...

not that it will matter:eyes:

[TeamsterDem]

69. OMFG!

Voters sent to the primary by Rush Limbaugh to vote for Hillary won't be voting for Obama come fall? Balderdash!

[scheming daemons]

70. Most Clinton voters in KY were Bush voters in 2004, according to MSNBC analysis of exit polls....

....and that means that most of Clinton's voters in KY wouldn't be voting for her in the GE against McCain.

[workinclasszero]

72. Of course. They all are Operation Chaos voters

who will return to McCain in the GE.

[zulchzulu]

78. All I can say to those Kentucky "Democrats" is...

... if they think that way, I hope they send ALL their children to Iraq to die for oil and that they remain unemployed (after voting for NAFTA/China MFN politiks) and live the rest of their miserable lives drinking polluted water and never getting anywhere near their potential that they would if they were true Democrats. They can't afford healthcare and perhaps that is a good thing. Thin the herd. Jam another cancer stick in their rotting piehole for all I care.

Let the dumb asses rot in their dump sites. They know only how to hurt themselves.

[alfredo]

79. Hillary is making sure her supporters know she expects them to support

the nominee. I notice also that Obama is speaking kindly of Hillary.

[MrSlayer]

80. That's because most of them aren't Democrats.

A good bit of them woudn't even vote for her in the fall. And making a big deal out of Kentucky is ridiculous as both she and Senator Obama are getting crushed there against McCain.

[cbc5g]

85. 21% in Kentucky chose race as an important issue

of those, over 80% voted Hillary.


AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ADMITTED IT!


Lets face it folks, Appalachia is incredibly racist partly because their educational standards are so poor and stupidity/voting against your interests is sadly a passed on tradition. I've spent time in appalachia and its sad that these stupid fucks have to ruin such beautiful states.