My response to Hillary supporters crying sexism: BOO HOO HOO.

[beachmom]

I am sick of it. Hillary lost. Her idiot advisor Penn did not even know that delegates were proportionally divided. He figured Hillary's win of California would net her all the delegates and therefore she would win the whole damned thing on Super Tuesday. That is only the beginning of the flagrant mistakes her campaign made.

Is there sexism in this world? Of course. Did sexism cost Hillary some votes? Absolutely. Did racism GAIN Hillary some votes? Damned straight. It seems to me that any cry of sexism can be matched with a cry of racism. For every Tweety remark you cite, I'll raise you a Pat Buchanan. Both Obama and Hillary had to deal with some of that riff raffe. The difference is Obama didn't try to use it to his advantage: he never said Hillary was having trouble with the male vote the way she talked about the "hard working white Americans", a truly despicable and regrettable comment. He hasn't trotted out his supporters to whine about "rampant racism" in this country. That is not who Obama is.

The truth is the racism scares me more than the sexism, and I say that as a woman. Here in Georgia, we've had an ugly episode:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/stories/2008/05/13/mulligans_0514.html

And the KKK is getting in the act of talk of hate and violence:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/377721/

That is what Obama has to put up with in the space of a week. Let me know when a hate group predicts Hillary's death. Only then will I begin to take your whining seriously.

[FARAFIELD]

1. All five of my sisters support HIllary

I supported Edwards then OBAMA, they arent calling me sexist. I think its the Hillbots that are saying its a sexism thing. Lets face it he is a better candidate

[beachmom]

2. Exactly. I support Obama as does my female neighbor, my sister, and my niece.

[pnwmom]

27. Obama himself said that sexism has affected the campaign.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4895145&page=1

Sen. Barack Obama said today that he agrees with Sen. Hillary Clinton that she has faced some sexism in the media coverage of her campaign.

"No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first-time front-runner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African-American," Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper.

"There is no doubt that there have been occasions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles, and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign," he said.

[Hamlette]

73. and so has racism, as we are seeing tonight, so your point?

these two have identical policy positions. She's just a bitch and he's a great man.

He can change this country and she will keep us mired in the muck with the GOP.

I'm sick of it.

[FredScuttle]

74. He didn't say "sexism"

but don't let that stop you from putting words in his mouth

[sandnsea]

3. I've heard no concern Hillary would be shot

and I hear it regularly about Obama. Now there is the difference between racism and sexism in this country.

Thanks for your post and hope all is well, or better anyway.

[babylonsister]

4. I am sick of it, too. Good post, beachmom. Rec'd. nt

[RandomKoolzip]

5. I dn't think it should be a contest. I think sexism is a pervasive and poisonous element

and it should be fought as much as possible.

However, HRC isn't losing because of sexism.

[beachmom]

6. Agreed that it should not be a contest. Except for the death threats,

which seem to be pointing more toward Obama than Hillary (maybe that is because he is going to be the nominee, I don't know).

[npincus]

7. I'm with you 100%.

I haven't heard Obama crying like a baby about the kind of crap she's stirred about him. Remember, it was one of her staff who sent the "Kenyan dress" pic to Drudge, with a note complaining about bias, saying "if this had been Hillary..."

I'm a mom, too.

[beachmom]

13. Oh, and I have two daughters. nt

[npincus]

OK, breaking out the cyber-wallet:

LOL- my one and only, age 5 1/2 :hi:

[TahitiNut]

33. Oh. My. God. She's. GORGEOUS!

What a beautiful child! Wow. :wow:

Good for you!

[npincus]

46. Why, thank you kindly! (my daughter typed you a message:)

:party: :hi: :thumbsup: :dem: :wow: :loveya: :grouphug: :woohoo: :yourock: :pals: :rofl: :applause: :headbang:

by Ava

[TahitiNut]

48. Thank you, m'luv!!!

You got an UNLIMITED number of hugs coming anytime you can collect, darling!

:loveya:

Hold onto that wonder in your heart, kid ... it's the most valuable thing you can ever have.

:hug:

[NanceGreggs]

Hey, YOU!!!

No fair sucking all the attention on a thread by posting pics of your daughter - just because she's one of the cutest kid I've ever seen is NO EXCUSE!!!

(What a little doll!)

[TahitiNut]

39. Hey. Get outa my way. I was first. I get to be baby-sitter. Me.

:rofl:

She's just adorable. Gawd ... I'm such a sucker for kids. I actually look forward to Halloween and sitting on the porch handing out the treats to the kids and dogs (yes, I give Milk Bones to the folks walking their dogs).

[NanceGreggs]

41. I'd bet that IF I had a granddaughter ...

... she'd be JUST that cute.

IF I had a granddaughter.

Or IF I had a grandchild at all.

IF one of my ungrateful children would give me a grandchild, that is.

IF ...

[TahitiNut]

49. Well ... I suspect that's true ... judging from what JeffR has shared in the past.

Hubba-hubba. :thumbsup:

[npincus]

50. response from Ava!

I love halloween! :loveya: :donut: bbbbbby aaaaaaaaaava

[TahitiNut]

51. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups ... the full-sized twin-packs. Yummm!!

:silly:

[npincus]

52. she said "that's sweet of him!"

she's busy w/a dinosaur puzzle now! :)

[npincus]

42. thank you! (and my daughter wrote you a message:)

80 + 80 = 160. 100 + 100 = 200.



bush the tush!

love ava

[NanceGreggs]

44. Thank you, Ava!

A beautiful name for a beautiful girl! - and smart, too!

[TahitiNut]

45. {{pouting}}

:hide:

[npincus]

47. no, no... she wrote to you, too! (it takes her a while...)

:)

[Binka]

59. Here Is My Little Girl Who Just Turned 7 On Saturday

She wrote this poem

Bush Is A Jerk
Look At His Smirk
He Hired A Monkey
To Do His Homework

Signed Peyton Rose

[npincus]

65. oh, she is a raving beauty!!!!

and her poetry smacks of truth! :rofl:

Lovely! :)

[casus belli]

68. Awww, she's a sweetie! What is that book?

It looks like a Dr. Seuss book but is bigger than anything I've ever seen. A compilation of Dr. Seuss stories maybe?

[npincus]

69. thanks! Yes, it's a Dr. Suess compilation (10 stories, I htink)

and she was reading "McGilligot's Pool"! :)

[npincus]

dupe

[npincus]

25. dupe

[npincus]

26. dupe- technical glitch

[MonkeyFunk]

20. No, Drudge didn't say a Clinton staffer

sent it to him. He was very careful about how he worded it.

The picture was already out on the internet long before Drudge published it.

[intaglio]

28. self delete

[npincus]

30. he certainly DID: (read it)

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

CLINTON STAFFERS CIRCULATE 'DRESSED' OBAMA
Mon Feb 25 2008 06:51:00 ET

With a week to go until the Texas and Ohio primaries, stressed Clinton staffers circulated a photo over the weekend of a "dressed" Barack Obama.

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat frontrunner fitted as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya.

The senator was on a five-country tour of Africa.

"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?" questioned one campaign staffer, in an email obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

In December, the campaign asked one of its volunteer county coordinators in Iowa to step down after the person forwarded an e-mail falsely stating that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe quickly accused the Clinton campaign Monday of 'shameful offensive fear-mongering' for circulating the snap.

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams responds: "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

Developing...

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Maybe you should read it

it doesn't say they sent it to Drudge.

[JackORoses]

35. do you know what circulated means?

[MonkeyFunk]

62. Yes

Evidently, you don't. "Circulated" does not mean "sent to Drudge".

[npincus]

66. ahem... the sad story of HRC & Drudge:

http://gawker.com/360385/obama+in+dress-photo-backfires-on-clinton

A photo of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama wearing sort of an apron-looking thing and a funny turban? A Hillary Clinton staffer asks (according to Drudge): "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?" Uh, sure. Sure we would. The photo, from 2006, shows Obama "fitted as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya." It was sent around by Clinton's press office (once again, according to Drudge) this weekend, in an apparent attempt to prove that the Illinois Senator is a Muslim terrorist who wears a dress. Mischievous Matt Drudge gave the story an amusing anti-Clinton spin. Because his relationship with her is complicated.

Back when Hillary was inevitable and unstoppable, Mr. Drudge seemed rather pleased. "I need Hillary Clinton. I need to be part of her world. That's my bank," he famously announced. Clinton's camp, perhaps not sufficiently wary of the man who nearly took down her husband, reached out by appointing former DNCer Tracy Sefl their unofficial Drudge emissary.

But Drudge, who enjoys being convinced of his importance, dislikes being portrayed as manipulatable. Shortly after the New York Times brought the world the story of how Matt and Hil are sitting in a tree, the Drudge Report reverted back to its traditional "merciless smearing of that Clinton harridan" mode, with the photos of Hil becoming even more grotesque and unflattering than ever before, the most pointless anti-Clinton stories suddenly getting major play, and the treatment of Obama remaining surprisingly even-handed.

Which, perhaps, explains this story, the clearest proof yet that if Clinton's campaign hasn't yet removed Ms. Sefl from the Drudge beat, they really ought to. Drudge, handed a hilarious photo of a Democratic politician, one that he could play as proof that this politician was un-American or too "different" or "foreign" to be president (a media narrative portions of the Right have been trying to push as Obama surges), turns it into a story of Hillary Clinton's inept and straw-grasping team. He even includes a cute little "EDITOR'S NOTE" explaining that "other leaders have worn local costumes," which he follows with hilarious pictures of Hillary, G.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton looking like ponces in wacky clothes. Amazing.

[npincus]

67. dupe

[TahitiNut]

34. Ditto. (Except I'm no "mom.")

:thumbsup:

[Perry Logan]

8. You're talking like Republicans talk right after they've reamed you..

[cali]

10. not even close, Perry.

go ahead. I challenge you. Explain how the OP is republican. Or explain why you disagree.

[beachmom]

11. Um, wrong: some Hillary supporters are attacking Obama as sexist.

Sorry, that needs to be responded to for the utter BS that it is.

[Mooney]

9. You don't think Mark Penn simply thought she would win 100% of the vote?

[beachmom]

16. That was per Time magazine. Penn really thought that, and others

on the staff had to correct him. Of course, the strategy was already in place, with Penn not even understanding the rules.

[Mooney]

21. Oh, I know. I made a funny.

This is why the allegations of sexism against Obama are extremely suspect to me. If Hillary Clinton had run a superior campaign and lost the nomination in spite of it, that would have been one thing. Instead, she employed an incompetent as her chief strategist and didn't fire him even after his "strategy" was a proven loser, and even after it was clear he had no idea what the fuck he was doing.

[Blondiegrrl]

12. That's a wonderful post. Excellent points! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

14. K&R

[Jersey Devil]

15. This "sexism" baloney seems to be Hillary's Hail Mary Pass

One last desperation heave to the end zone for the Gipper!

[burythehatchet]

17. allow me to amplify your sentiment with a WAAAAAAAAAA

Great point, did she lose more voted to sexism than she gained through her racial undertones?

[Exilednight]

18. but....but ..... but ..... she's more electable, but can't get the votes because we're all sexist.

[City Lights]

19. Great post, beachmom.

Thanks for saying it. Recommended.

[HuffleClaw]

22. as opposed to the constant cry of 'racism!' from team obama?

get serious

[pnwmom]

23. Obama doesn't thank you for this kind of support. And he disagrees with you

on this topic.

He has asked his supporters to reach out to HRC's supporters, and try to heal the divide. Why don't you trust him enough to do so?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4895145&page=1


Sen. Barack Obama said today that he agrees with Sen. Hillary Clinton that she has faced some sexism in the media coverage of her campaign.

"No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first-time front-runner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African-American," Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper.

"There is no doubt that there have been occasions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles, and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign," he said.

[beachmom]

76. When Hillary & her supporters accuse Obama of sexism, that the

election was essentially rigged due to sexism -- a total bogus claim with no evidence to back it up -- I'm going to speak up. I don't take orders from Barack Obama. And this is not said to ALL Clinton supporters. This is for Clinton supporters who are lying about sexism being rampant, that Obama was sexist, and that all of this had sunk her campaign. IT IS A LIE, and it will not stand.

[Bensthename]

24. Racists vs sexists.. Who will win?

[Carolina]

29. Sick and tired

of it all. Clinton has reaped her just rewards for her awful campaign, her arrogance, her petulance and her negativity.

It's not that she's a woman; it's that she's the WRONG WOMAN.

And BTW, though sexism and racism have long histories in this country, when have 'uppity' women had to endure actual lynching? Some may say it's not a contest, but as a black woman over 50, my experience has been that racism is worse.

[yourguide]

32. K & R

[ProSense]

36. Gender or race baiting, Hillary is being portrayed as the bigger victim.

Obama is responsible for race baiting: Hillary is the victim
Obama is a sexist: Hillary is the victim

Hillary is running for Victim in Chief

In truth, it's all coming from her camp.

[flpoljunkie]

37. Hillary disingenuously said she doesn't think racism has played a role in the presidential campaign.

"…I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press."

Clinton, who is banking on a large win in Kentucky Tuesday to keep her presidential hopes alive, also said she doesn't believe racism has played a role in the presidential campaign. But the New York senator said sexist attitudes among voters and members of the media have been a constant detriment to her White House hopes.

Speaking with supporters on a Friday conference call, Clinton said she regretted that many of them have faced sexist attacks.

"I deeply regret the vitriol and the mean-spiritedness and the terrible insults and rhetoric that has been thrown around at you for supporting me, at women in general, at many of those who support my campaign because of who they are and their stand based on principle," she said. "I don't have time for their insults, I'm impervious to them."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/20/clinton-chastises-press-for-ignoring-sexism/

[murielm99]

38. This must be the Obamabot talking point of the day:

deny sexism.

What happened to kool-aid, latte drinkers, elitist, cultist and all the rest? I guess that stuff must be too last week.

It's nice to see you all on the same page with your talking points.

Of course some of us will never except that near-worship and constant slandering of the opposition is necessary in a primary campaign. Some of us are still silly enough to think we can come to DU for some honest give and take. I guess those days have passed.

[EFerrari]

53. The days when you could insult half of DU and expect give and take

never were. Hello?

[murielm99]

56. Hello yourself.

Go to the main page, or go to GD: P and scan the titles of the posts. Look at how many of them are whining about Clinton for daring to broach the subject of sexism. Of course this can be viewed as a coordinated effort by Obama supporters. And the kind of Obama supporters I see here every day deserve to be insulted. There are only a few exceptions to that.

[EFerrari]

58. Daring to broach the subject of sexism? On the contrary,

Clinton has been exploiting that topic for months and today, lol, hilariously by accusing Obama of sexism all over the cable shows. What a disgrace she and her surrogates are to the women's movement.

Calling out bullshit is not whining, it's a reality check.

[beachmom]

70. LOL. Unfortunately I am not one of the head minions of the Obamabot Nation

and was not given the talking point: I did something radical -- I came up with it ALL BY MYSELF. I know, I know, I mike a lousy cultist, what thinking my own thoughts and all ....

[cynatnite]

40. That's because sexism isn't considered as bad as racism...

women are beaten, raped and murdered at a much higher rate than men. There are plenty of very ugly episodes with women being the victim. Derogatory statements about women are more widely accepted...even by women, too. It's incorporated in the very fabric of our society to such a degree that most of it is considered normal by most people. Sexism is insidious and should be condemned to be as bad as racism...and as dangerous.

Sexism should scare you. Look at those women in the FLDS compound and their children. Read the statistics of women being raped, beaten and murdered. Look at how women have been treated for reporting being raped. There are women who are stoned to death for adultery, who are forbidden to vote or to drive.

Racism is repugnant and should not be tolerated by anyone in society at all. There is no disputing that. But after seeing how women have been treated, and how widely accepted it is throughout societies all over the world...it should be considered repugnant and a throwback to ancient days when women were considered second class citizens.

Sexism should scare everyone.

[EFerrari]

55. All those things are true. And sexism hasn't been nearly as exploited

to manipulate the electorate this year as racism has. The claims FOR THIS YEAR are not equal and it's just dishonest to say so.

Obama never said a block of voters wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman, even though he'd probably have been technically correct.

The Clintons, on the other hand, started to race bait as soon as Obama started making gains in the contest.

And that's the main difference between these candidates.

[Darth_Kitten]

64. BRAVO!!!

:)

[Arugula Latte]

43. This white woman agrees with you 100 percent.

Good post. :toast:

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

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[EFerrari]

60. But the fallacy is conflating our cultural sexism with the Obama campaign.

I've defended her in many venues on the one; the other is bullshit.

And today, her campaign decided to call sexism as a last resort. That's so disgusting. It's demeans the women who today really are suffering discrimination that Clinton will never experience.

[TexasObserver]

61. you may be projecting a little bit

Sexism played a role. It helped Hillary get votes. Sexism played a role in helping Hillary get the votes of voters like you.

[beachmom]

72. Okay, so you just swore at me. I just want to get this straight:

You are claiming that sexism sunk Hillary's campaign (purportedly from Obama & his supporters), not, for example, Penn not knowing that Hillary winning California would not net her all the delegates? Sorry, I don't buy it. This whole "outrage" regarding this primary season is completely manufactured. There is no way Hillary lost more sexist votes than Obama lost racist votes. They cancelled each other out, with the exception of Appalachia where there racist vote was a larger percentage. So then that leaves you with each campaign. Obama's campaign was run better. His message was better. His organizing was better. His internet networking fundraising model was better. There are reasons why he has won the majority of pledged delegate.

[butterfly77]

57. Amen!

[Darth_Kitten]

63. My response to you: get over yourself.......

Why is racism so much more important to you than sexism?

You trivialize sexism, whom are you trying to impress?

You know, it's OKAY to identify with the girls ever now and again. It's rather painless, doesn't hurt the environment and so what if one or more guys on this planet can't handle it. One doesn't have to live for their approval 24/7, dear. :sarcasm:

[WildEyedLiberal]

78. What in the hell does the OP have to do with getting the approval of men?

Obviously, in your world, any woman who opposes Clinton and who thinks that she has been milking accusations of "sexism" to deflect from her own poor performance is just a self-hating doormat dominated by "men" (what men? Please be more clear. Men on DU? Their husbands? Obama?)

Your post is exactly what's wrong with Hillary-style "feminism" - "identifying with the girls" becomes paramount over EVERYTHING else, including issues, campaign tactics, reality, or truth. You are voting for Hillary to "identify with the girls" and/or "stick it to the men." ANY woman > ANY man. Sorry, that's not "feminism," that's blind identity politics. That you fail to allow for strong, freethinking women to not support a woman candidate is an insult to women and the women's movement everywhere. Feminism is about having freedom, choice, and opportunity, not some ridiculous treehouse "OMG girls rule boys drool" club.

[Medusa]

71. Big Girls Don't Cry

nor do they snivel about perceived injustices. They put on their big girl pants and suck it up. Hillary isn't very good at doing that. Neither are her enablers.

[Life Long Dem]

75. Yep

The ones who will be sticking around need to save the presumed nominee from damage you yourself would rather not see, or you yourself 'had and have' no intention of staying with the Democratic party as well.

[democracy1st]

77. K & R

[Name removed]

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[Chalco]

80. This white woman disagrees with you 100 percent.