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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:32 PM
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MYTH: "Obama never did any political favors for Tony Rezko"
As the Rezko trial is being deliberated, we can revisit Obama's association with Tony Rezko. Remember the relationship he told us on TV during the S.C. debate was limited to the five hours of work he did for Rezko while working in a (Allison Davis') law firm.

But Obama had a close friendship with Tony Rezko for 17 years, during which time Rezko -- we now know, no thanks to Obama -- raised more than $250,000 for Obama's political campaigns and financially helped Obama to be able to afford to buy the mansion the Obamas now live in. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0704230648apr24,1,671186.story and http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4111483

Asked if Obama had intervened on behalf of Rezko or Rezmar (Rezko's company) with any government entity, Obama replied, "Never. No."

According to Media Matters: Obama wrote to state and city officials urging them to provide funding for New Kenwood LLC, a company formed by Rezko and Allison Davis.

As Illinois state senator, Barack Obama wrote two letters on Illinois state letterhead to state and city officials supporting Tony
Rezko's bid for $14 million in state and city funds to construct a building--in spite of the fact Rezko already had a long record of
incompetence in the construction field). Rezko got the $14 million in grant money, which included $855,000 in development FEES for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama's former boss.

The two letters can be viewed at:
http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/obamaletters2.pdf_20070612_17_11_03_906.imageContent


So Obama's only relationship with Tony Rezko was the five hours of work Obama did for Rezko while in a law firm?

And what is the Nadhmi AUCHI-Tony REZKO-Barack OBAMA connection?

A May 2004 Department of Defense report stated that ...

"Nadhmi AUCHI is widely regarded as a corrupt supporter of Saddam
Hussein's regime who got his money from doing deals, especially
illegal arms transfers for Saddam."


Shortly before the Rezko-Obama property deal that enabled Obama to buy his $2 million mansion, Obama's friend of 17 years, Tony REZKO received a mysterious $3.5 million loan from a longtime business associate, Iraqi exile, and CONVICTED fraudster, Nadhmi AUCHI.

The Pentagon has identified AUCHI as a former BAGMAN for SADDAM HUSSEIN.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/OctoberSurprise.html )


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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:32 PM
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1. Let's beat this dead horse some more!!!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:42 PM
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47. ...
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:16 PM
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65. Oh Candice, you really need
to stop. You look really sad. Sad in not a good way.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:53 PM
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107. YOU REPLY...IS A DEAD HORSE!
New trial begins soooooooon.....Obama and the GOV! HA! Read and learn!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM
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2. Ahh, I missed rezko threads.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM by anonymous171
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM
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3. The trial is over, or havent you heard?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:25 PM
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38. Uh, no its not.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:38 AM
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73. Closing arguments were May 12
Jury deliberation started May 13.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6140297

The trial is over.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:41 PM
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77. No, you don't know anything about criminal procedure.
Jury deliberation is part of the trial and the trial is not over until the judge says it is. After Rezko is found guilty, Patrick Fitzgerald will march him into a grand jury room, immunize him, and sweat him for information. Hello Obama!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:50 PM
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81. bingo
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:54 PM
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84. No, jury deliberation is just that...JURY deliberation.
The trial portion of the program is over. The trial is OVER when both sides rest their cases. Not when a judge declares it over.

After jury deliberation there is what is called a verdict.

and after the verdict, if the defendant is found guilty, then there is what is called sentencing.


the TRIAL is over.


media examples of the trial being over:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/06/pants_update_trial_over_verdic.html



what law school did you go to? The APAIC (http://www.clownschool.net/)
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:04 PM
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90. University of Alabama
And I am a criminal defense attorney. Which one did you go to?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:09 PM
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92. Oh so they're ass backwards when it comes to law in Alabama too I see...
Right, you're about as much a criminal defense attorney as I am a Clinton supporter.



Sorry, fail.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:49 PM
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104. I missed your law school. Forget to post it?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:08 PM
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109. I missed yours...did you forget to post it?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:10 PM by yourguide
or are you just playing a lawyer on DU? University of Alabama? :rofl:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:55 PM
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117. Look up Alabama's Law School ranking
And then try and laugh. Not only did you not go to law school it is obvious you never have seen the inside of a university.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:23 PM
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97. Remind me not to get arrested in Alabama...
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:51 PM
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106. What do you do that you may be arrested?
Since you travel to do it, it probably has something to do with children. So yes, it is best not to come to Alabama.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM
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4. These PRETZELS are Making ME THIRSTY!
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:10 PM
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32. Me too!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:19 PM
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36. Maybe the Hillbots will try the kind that Chimp choked himself on?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM
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5. More Clinton supporters doing McCain's work for him.... yawn....
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 PM
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6. looks like it's being rec'd by the hill crew.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 PM
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7. zzzz
More republican talking points. It's like the invasion of KKKarl Rove night on DU.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 PM
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8. we could...OR I could just put you on Ignore - bye!
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 PM
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9. Myth: Hillary did not have a role in outsourcing jobs to India.
...Since we are bringing up stuff no one really cares about....
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 PM
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10. What's that? Hillary's down by 16 in Gallup??.....REZKO, WRIGHT, AYERS, BITTER, SWEETIE!!!!
:rofl: :rofl:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:35 PM
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11. Well, it must be since you typed "myth" in all caps. Can't question it now. n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:35 PM
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12. And then there was the sex. Rezko sex, the best kind.....
if you were a REAL writer, you'd know about that. Amateur....
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:37 PM
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15. ..
:spray:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:36 PM
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13. Many Illinois legislators signed onto that letter
My understanding was that it was, or at least seemed like, a legitimate low-income housing project.

He said that he only did 5 hours worth of legal work for Rezko in response to Hillary's claim in the debate that he spent his time at the law firm "representing a slum lord". He never said that that was the extent of his relationship with Rezko. If you listen to the interview he did with the Chicago Tribune about this, he acknowledges several times that Rezko was a friend of his.

There is no proof that Rezko helped him get a better price on his home, and the Tribune gave him a clean bill of health after interviewing him about it, saying they found his account to be credible. Obama has never been charged with any wrongdoing and the charges Rezko is charged with have nothing to do with Obama.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:36 PM
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14. ntsa
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:37 PM by beezlebum
:eyes: :boring:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:37 PM
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16. When you consider the Keating 5
McCain dares to bring up Rezko at his own peril.

Rezko is a reminder that there is always something, but I believe the time has passed for this, and it's full bore against McCain from here on out.

Apologies to the late Robert Penn Warren.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:37 PM
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17. MYTH: "Hillary still has a chance"
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:37 PM
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18. Wow. Golden Oldies night here.
Anything to sink those Rove threads, eh?

Pathetic.

- as
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:38 PM
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19. The second idiotic post from loser town usa.
Hi Candice.

Get on board teh Obama train or get the fuck out of the way.

The primary race is over sweetie, and Hillary LOST.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:50 PM
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102. Get on board teh Obama train or get the fuck out of the way
and you wonder why some people don't like Obama. Geesh. What kind of person atttracts support like THAT?

The election is not a train. The voters don't exist to be steamrolled. In a democratic society, everyone matters. You don't tell people to get out of the way.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:38 PM
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20. MYTH: Hillary Clinton is fully vetted.
Wanna take that one on?

Hsu

Burkle

Mark Penn's and Bill Clinton's little free trade escapades

Bill's continued extramarital affairs.


Nah, you don't want to go there. Really.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:18 PM
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95. You forgot one. Hey, who's in that photo with the Bill and Hill. Is that, could it be .......
TONY REZKO !?!?!?!



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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:40 PM
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21. Oh. SADDAM HUSSEIN! I'm quaking in my boots
The old bogeymen don't work anymore. Give it up.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:43 PM
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22. For the love of God, he is going to be the nominee. Stop trying to undermine him.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:06 PM
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29. We still have a window of opportunity to choose someone who can win in Nov.
Hillary.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:41 PM
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45. It is DONE. It is OVER. Please, move into the acceptance stage and try not to make him into
such a monster in your head that you can't actually see him.

I always was trying to keep myself from reaching a level with Hillary where I would have a really hard time voting for her - I knew not to go there. You guys really need to try to pull back.

I supported Dean in 04 and didn't like Kerry. I had the broken heart. Then I read Douglas Brinkley's book on Kerry and let myself begin to like him more and more. You guys need to be prepared to do that. I know it is hard but it is necessary. Don't make him into some sort of monster. He isn't a saint but he certainly is one of the good guys.

I hope you can find some peace in accepting and moving on to the GE with Obama as the nominee. It is going to happen. It is. If you guys will let yourselves, you will find a lot to like and, as crazy as it seems, I think he will win you over if you can open your eyes and heart a little bit to him - really, we aren't all crazy, there is something special there even if you can't see it yet.

Peace.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:22 PM
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67. Sorry. We already did. Let's move on.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:49 PM
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105. Against McCaine, I just don't see how that can happen.
eom.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:44 PM
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23. And now a golden oldie
REZKO! Dumpster diving aren't cha...diggin up the old REZKO dead horse. Beat that sucker, makes a good show. :boring:
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:47 PM
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24. CANT CRITICIZE HIM SO YOU HAVE TO LINK HIM TO SOMEONE,ANYONE to try and hit him
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:48 PM by Boz
FAIL


"Obama was cleared by a republican department of justice investigation, and Auchi has acknowledged not meeting Obama....On the 20th anniversary of his business in 1999, Mr Auchi received a greeting card signed by 130 politicians, including Tony Blair, William Hague and Charles Kennedy, who were then leaders of their respective parties.

"he is one of Britain’s wealthiest men, has been a guest at the White House and met with two of the last three presidents, was Co-Chair of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, is President of the Anglo-Arab Organisation, and has received numerous awards and honorary positions from heads of state, including Queen Elizabeth II, Pope John Paul II, and King Abdullah II of Jordan.""
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:01 PM
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25. Thanks for the Links

Until I got those, I never realized how silly this all was...

ABC News:

"There is no mention of Obama in the Rezko indictment."

Chicago Trib:

The firm's senior partner, Judson Miner, said the non-profits had been clients of the firm before Obama came aboard. "In these transactions, Barack was a young associate doing the kind of work young associates are assigned to do," Miner said. He said Obama "was always as ethical and reliable as anyone."

And the PDF you provided for the dated letter he signed shows he was just trying to get housing for old folks *before* any of those slum issues even happened.

What a guy!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:16 PM
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35. he wrote letters. how dare he?
you are exactly correct. subsidized housing is still badly, badly needed in that area. the law firm's work was not for rezko, or rezmar, but for a not for profit that was the umbrella.

really people, get on the bus. it is leaving the station. this guy is the squeaky cleanest politician i have ever seen. get over it.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:02 PM
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26. MYTH: You're not an idiot.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:04 PM
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28. That's no myth
She is an idiot.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:08 PM
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31. Not not an idiot = an Idiot :)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:58 PM
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87. Not not not an idiot = a not-idiot?
I'm getting confused.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:04 PM
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27. YOU WILL BE BANNED VERY SOON - not soon enough
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. Oh, do you control this board now?
I guess maybe in your mind.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:07 PM
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30. Enough of these DESPERATE HillFAN posts ! You LOST ! Grow up and deal with it !
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:10 PM
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33. Gloating week will be sweet indeed
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:10 PM
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34. Myth: Obama has been implicated in absolutely any wrongdoing.
Fact: He has not, despite years of investigation by Patrick Fitzgerald and the famously muckracking Chicago media.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:20 PM
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37. Candice, they don't want to know, they don't want to hear it.
They think that their guy walks on water, while he's just another Southside Chicago politician who has a talent for giving good speeches and not much more.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:26 PM
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39. and Hillary got to where she is by marrying Bill.
I can say bullshit about the opposing candidate too!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:40 PM
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44. Hillary was the one who married "down".
She was considered the better one of the two and would have made it faster if she had remained up North and not followed Bill to Arkansas.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:42 PM
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48. ...and you know this how? You can see alternate realities?!?!
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:50 PM
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55. What Bar Examination did Hillary fail? D.C. I think
I believe Bill is the one that received scholastic honors. She certainly was no slouch, just saying....she was no Rhodes Scholar.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:55 PM
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58. They're both quite smart, but I don't buy the line
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:57 PM by Occam Bandage
that Bill held Hillary back. Getting your start in politics is like getting your start in music--it's an enormous gamble, in which even the most talented stand a good chance of languishing for years if not decades in the local scene, and in which one bad break can prematurely end an otherwise-promising career.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:43 PM
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49. "and not much more."
Doesn't say a whole lot for your girl, now does it? To lose to a guy who can't do anything but talk pretty...
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:55 PM
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85. Are they really that different?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:04 PM by FVZA_Colonel
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:33 PM
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41. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:36 PM
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42. Jim....what say you about the OP?
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:51 PM
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56. Who's that?
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:56 PM
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59. SNL parody of Jim from "The Office"
n/t
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:36 PM
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43. FACT: Hillary is a fucking loser.
She is toast. Stick a fork in her, she's DONE.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:44 PM
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50. May be Obama has the same fate in GE according to latest
Rasmussen poll in Ohio where Obama loses to
McCain but Hillary beats McCain there. Dems
can not win without Ohio.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. If polls six months out meant anything,
Hillary Clinton would have swept the board, winning no state but IL by fewer than 10 points, and most by 20.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:53 PM
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57. zzzzzz
I'm sorry, your boring post put me to sleep. So, the fate of the election hinges SOLELY on Ohio? Only when a hillbot needs it to. Otherwise, let's cancel the election for every state but Ohio. It's the only state that counts, apparently.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #57
70. Ohio has counted in almost every election if you study
your history. Ohio picks the winner almost
every time. Bush would be back in Texas without Ohio.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #70
76. no, Bush would be back in Texas if he hadn't STOLEN Ohio.
Surely you were paying attention.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. That is UNproven conjecture...same as JFK win in Cook County
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #79
112. of course a hillbot would now defend bush
makes perfect sense.:eyes:
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:42 PM
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46. Was'nt rezko the guy who bought the lot next to Obama's house
but then did not build a house on it, thus
essentially giving Obama a double lot with more
privacy etc. at NO ADDITIONAL COST?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. He was just being a friendly neighbor
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:48 PM
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53. LOL
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. Innuendo and insinuation are all you guys got. He still hasn't been implicated in any wrongdoing
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:52 PM by Occam Bandage
whatsoever, and this investigation has gone on for years--not to mention that the bloodthirsty Chicago press has been running a back-and-forth, who-can-get-more-Rezko-dirt competition, effectively tripling the investigation.

Blagojevich's political career is more or less over (if any of y'all don't recognize the name, you have no right to ever post anything about IL politics ever again ever, btw); his inner circle is the epicenter of Rezkogate. The absolute worst you could accuse Obama of is poor choice in acquaintances.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:04 PM
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61. Right on!
Blagojevich's political career is more or less over (if any of y'all don't recognize the name, you have no right to ever post anything about IL politics ever again ever, btw);


I think the rule should be: you have no right to ever post anything about IL politics ever again ever if you can't pronounce it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 PM
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63. Acceptable pronunciations include:
1. "Bluh-goy-uh-vitch."
2. "Bla-go-uh-uh-uh-uh-you-know-the-governor."
3. "Bla-Rez-kos-bitch."
4. "G-Rod."
5. "That-cor-rupt-in-com-pe-tent-elf-lookin'-fuck-head"
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #54
69. You don't need an "investigation" when Rezko buys a lots and
leaves it empty for you to use....just another
corrupt politician from CHicago.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #69
75. A ten-foot-by-22-yard lot? What was he going to do with it? And if it's so obviously
wrong, then why hasn't anyone found any wrongdoing?
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:46 PM
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78. The "wrong doings" will surface at appropriate time n/t
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #78
88. When?
How can you say that if nothing has come up in the trial as of yet?
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:12 PM
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93. At the convention in Colorado
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:13 PM
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94. Why not bring them up now, if they exist?
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #94
99. Not as effective NOW since Obama already has a lead in delegates
but if he does not get the number needed at convention,
the Clinton machine will bring open up the corrupt
machinations in Chicago politics which will make several
delegates switch from Obama to Clinton.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:46 PM
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100. That doesn't make any real strategic sense.
I see no reason why they should not bring them up now, if they know of them; considering how poor the OP's argument was, I doubt Clinton has anything else up her sleeve she wouldn't have used already.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:49 PM
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101. Timing is everything...in politics, stock market and golf
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. I understand that.
But if she did it now, she would likely pick up a lot more elected delegates in the coming elections, and could have done so in prior ones if she had it then; that is why I just don't think she has any "Rezko trick" up her sleeve, as otherwise she would have used it by now.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #78
113. So you think that Hillary Clinton is exerting illegal influence on Patrick Fitzgerald?
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:17 PM
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66. Double lot? LOL. No. Read more. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:02 PM
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60. Can you tell me what happened in the recent case with Rezko and links to Obama?
It turns out they have NOTHING on Obama.

As for the house deal, the house was on the market for over a year with an ASKING PRICE if $2 million. It was bought (from book proceeds) by Obama for $1.64 million. If you have ever dealt with real estate transactions (I have), the asking price is rarely ever met, especially on such an asking price. As for the lot of land adjacent to the property, it was bought for the asking price and is only 10 feet by 22 yards.

This whole Rezko story has been vetted by the Chicago press for years, and as the recent investigation on Rezko showed no links of illegality with Obama, it's old news.

* We've been hearing for weeks from the national punditry that Barack Obama hasn't been fully vetted by the media. I think that's mostly wrong, and I angrily told that to a national reporter who called me last week.

(snip)

At the Tribune's request, Cook County Circuit Court Chief Judge Timothy Evans produced a list of all 260 civil and criminal cases in which the firm filed appearances, and the Tribune separately examined 1990s lawsuits that Rezmar Corp. listed in applications for government grants. The paper also examined files from the Illinois Housing Development Authority and the city housing department, as well as the hundreds of clients Obama listed in the unusually frank ethics disclosure reports he filed as a state senator from December 1995 through April 2004.

(snip)

A Tribune review of land and court documents and law firm files as well as correspondence and other records related to Obama's eight years as an Illinois state lawmaker supports his contention that he did not directly represent Rezko's development firm. Instead, the records show, he represented non-profit community groups that partnered with Rezko's firm.
This was actually to be expected. The clintons' tactics have always been attack their opponents and question their motives. Attack is almost their first instinct whenever challenged. one doesn't get the sense that they actually think about the ramifications of what they are using. but that's another point.

(snip)

Obama has been accused of no wrongdoing involving Rezko and has insisted that he never used his office to benefit Rezko.

Thus far, there is little in the public record to suggest otherwise, and the few exceptions that have come to light appear minor. On Capitol Hill, Obama once gave a summer internship to the son of a Rezko business associate on Rezko's recommendation. Earlier, as a state senator, Obama was one of several South Side political and community leaders who wrote state and city officials urging approval of public funding for a senior housing project involving Rezko.

But when Rezko pushed for passage in Springfield of a major gambling measure, Obama vocally opposed it.

(snip)

It's easy to forget today, but in the years before 2005, Rezko enjoyed a reputation in Illinois as an up-and-coming, even enlightened entrepreneur with a strong interest in the risky low-income and affordable housing markets that relied on tax credits and other government assistance. He also was a reliable source of campaign cash for an array of politicians from both parties.

The fact that Rezko was also a minority in a city where minorities have rarely gained power without coalescing in a broad coalition (commonly called the blacks, browns and white liberals) explains some of obama's connection to him. But the identification of young political talent has long been a favorite of chicago's big players, and rezko was clearly eager to be one of those.

(snip)

After earning his degree, Obama returned to Chicago, ran a voter registration drive, began work on an autobiography and in 1993 went to work in a small but influential law firm now known as Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

The firm had long served non-profits engaged in affordable housing, and several initiatives involved Rezko's Rezmar Corp., according to a mid-1990s document from the firm that Obama attached to his state ethics reports.

In addition, one of the law firm's founding partners, Allison Davis, developed personal financial ties to Rezko. Davis later left the firm to become a for-profit developer, sometimes in deals with Rezko.

Affordable housing is a huge issue in the chicagoland area, especially as the chicago housing authority was proceeding with its plans to tear down huge public housing complexes. mayor daley choose to allow private developers to replace the public housing stock, using vouchers instead of administering huge housing complexes. In effect, Daley was trying to rid chicago of the homeless and the poor, to distribute them throughout the region, or encourage them to move south.

Obama was one of the many black elected officials who actively worked to replenish affordable housing stock. Rezmar was one of the players involved (and perhaps the main player in Obama's state senate district).

(snip)

Law firm partner Judson Miner said that, over several years, Obama did a total of five to seven hours of billable work on Rezmar-linked projects. He mainly filed incorporation papers for the non-profit groups under the supervision of more senior attorneys, Miner said.

(snip)

But for the national types to claim that Obama's past is mostly unknown is just a total crock. All they have to do is comb through the Tribune and CS-T's archives, or try the Google. A lot of very hard work has already been done, and is still being done today. Too many reporters based in DC, or NY, or LA think that all there is to know is in their own publications.

The problem with trumpeting the Rezko story is that it is small potatoes in the scheme of a presidential election. Sure, hillary hates slumlords, but what has she done about affordable housing? She likes to tout her experience and claims she's changed the world, but then attacks Barack for his work in this area and his willingness to join other Democrats to take away wedge issues from Republicans.

None of this is to excuse the crimes that Rezko has committed. He has used his position for ill, and elicited bribes, from what I can tell. But no one has found (yet) anything that connects Obama to illegal, unethical or immoral behavior.

Links:
http://dpandrews.mydd.com/story/2008/1/23/101437/409


As for this garbage about "myths" you are posting, it's too bad you have to sink to that level because Hillary Clinton lost. Direct your anger more positively.



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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:07 PM
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62. Myth: The photo of Hillary and Bill next to Rezko was photoshopped
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:15 PM
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64. Obama's horrific women's rights record, Rezko, hmm..
will your third thread be about Rev. Wright?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:40 PM
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68. What about Reverend Wright?
the Rezko horse is long dead..time to get off. Make up some new shit.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:24 AM
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71. Must be paying by the word these days...
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:52 AM
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72. I guess you didn't see the debate? Obama did not say that was his sole relationship w/Rezko.
Clinton had brought up A PARTICULAR FACET OF REZKO'S BUSINESS DEALINGS, LINKING OBAMA'S LAW FIRM WITH THEM. So Obama merely explained that he was an associate at the time, and all Obama had done was about 5 hours worth of work on some Rezko matters for his employer.

They were not discussing Obama's entire connection with Rezko over the years. It is well known that Rezko was a fund raiser or something like that for Obama in Illinois.

Another example of why Hillary and her supporters are losing. You all would do better to explain the positives of your candidate, why she would be a great President, and stay on a high road, so people would respect and even admire you and the campaign. This is not helping your candidate, either for the primary, the election, or her future.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:41 AM
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74. I saw a news blurb about the Cannes Film Festival the other day
and you know whose yacht they featured? Denise Rich's. Remember her? Wife of the guy Bill Clinton pardoned? Big donor? ($450,000 to Clinton library; $70,000 to Hillary's campaign - among others.)
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:49 PM
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80. go away, and vote for McCain.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:50 PM
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82. Get stuffed.
I'm through with arguing with all you dead enders.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:51 PM
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83. MYTH: "Monica never had Bill's jizz stained on her dress"
That myth has been proven to be false.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:55 PM
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86. And how that disgusting comment is relevant to Rezko is.......?
Monica sell Bill Clinton land far below market?
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:01 PM
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89. Monica gave Bill something for free below the belt..
We are talking myths, right.. We are trying to destroy Obama here right? Woops, my bad, I should have found more trash to throw on Obama for the ignorant fool who started this thread..
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:08 PM
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91. Why after all of these years are people STILL obsessed with the magical & mythical "Clenis?"
It boggles the mind.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:27 PM
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114. Magical? Yes. Mythical? No.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:20 PM
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96. Exclusive - pictures of shocked Hillary supporters
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:30 PM
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98. Guess who has a hearing scheduled for next Friday
April 24, 2008

NEW YORK - Top Democratic fund-raiser Norman Hsu, once a prized supporter of Hillary Clinton, is talking with the government to try to settle charges that he cheated investors out of millions of dollars and made illegal donations to politicians, his lawyer told a judge.

In a letter Tuesday, attorney Hugh M. Mundy said he was requesting a 30-day adjournment of a court hearing set for tomorrow because "the parties have begun settlement negotiations" and the government is turning over evidence for him to review.

US District Judge Victor Marrero granted the delay request, moving the hearing to May 23.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/24/court_hearing_delayed_for_former_clinton_fund_raiser/


Rezko show is over, the trail failed to produce any fireworks. My guess is he'll be acquitted but I'm just a bystander so I really have no way to know. Hsu's trial, if he doesn't plead guilty, is going to be a lot more lurid than the Rezko one and involves way larger sums of money at the donation level. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Obama-haters.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:07 PM
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108. This story is being swept under the carpet and it's oh so wrong and oh so suspicious.
The Rezko connection is one of the reasons I don't support Obama.

But make no mistake, IF Obama is the dem nominee, the corporate media will use this story for ammunition against Obama so that McCain can win.

The media doesn't want Obama and they want Hillary even less because there is a bigger chance that Hillary can win against McCain.

People around DU are delusional if they think the corporate media hasn't manipulated this primary season for their own goals.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. But you don't have a problem with the Clinton's connections?
Burkle, Rich, Hsu, Paul, Penn, Saudis, etc.

Unbelievable. :wow:
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. Why do you say there is a bigger chance?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM by FVZA_Colonel
While polls at this point can be wildly off base (especially as we have no official nominee yet), it still seems to be that the reporting indicates Obama stands a better chance. And I do believe that the media would have pounced on Rezko already if there was as much to it as has been said.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. Swept under the carpet? Every development gets front-page treatment here.
Of course, outside of IL, it's a non-story, because the only politicians caught in Rezko's web are Blagojevich's circle.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:28 PM
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116. Desperation is never sexy.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:57 PM
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118. if you say "gullible" real slow it sounds like "grocery bag." try it.
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