Do you Clinton supporters not see the hypocrisy

[sfaprog]

in pushing this newest talking point of "Obama must apologize for the right-wing's sexism or he's as guilty" out of one side of your mouth, but demanding Obama supporters play nice and court you out of the other?

I'm obviously only talking about the few Clinton supporters still pushing these baseless attacks, from what I gather it seems most of you are ready to start campaigning against the Republicans. That's going to be a lot more fun. :)

[Occam Bandage]

1. Given how they didn't see the hypocrisy in either of:

1. "Count every vote!" vs. "Hillary's in the lead, since caucus votes shouldn't count!"

2. "It's over already, stop bashing Hillary, start trying to unify us," vs. "Hillary's winning, take it to the convention!"

...I'm guessing they don't, no.

[NashVegas]

2. Who Is Saying Obama Must Apologize for RW Sexism?

I'm missing this one. It must be someone I have on ignore.

[sfaprog]

7. here's a couple:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6020372

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6019828

[NashVegas]

11. Interesting Charge

I didn't see anywhere in the text a demand that Obama apologize for Right Wing attacks, however.

It did urge him to speak out against them - on January 8.

A shame he didn't. At some point he should speak out on it, but right now wouldn't be a good time. He might better wait until those women who are pissed off about it are in more of a forgiving mood.

[rodeodance]

31. does not say anything of the sort. --an old article is all .

..........in pushing this newest talking point of "Obama must apologize for the right-wing's sexism or he's as guilty" out of one side of your mouth, but demanding Obama supporters play nice and court you out of the other?

[sfaprog]

53. Yes, you are correct: White IS black, day IS night...

:banghead:

And again, if you're dismissive of its age, it doesn't really make your point, since it's being used to post brand new threads by Clinton supporters.

[RazBerryBeret]

9. I've seen a couple of them today...

heres a recent one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6019828

[NashVegas]

14. Ah. Did You Know That Request for Obama To Speak Out Against Sexism Was from a January 8 Essay?

That was the week when the press and Jesse Jackson Jr - representing Obama's campaign - were all over Hillary's "tears" and her strong response "I've been making change for 35 years" at the debates.

But I don't see any demand Obama apologize for Right Wing sexism.

[sfaprog]

Well, it seems to be fresh in the minds of some Clinton supporters

It's not like I'M the one dredging up this crap. I'm just saying that the admittedly minority of Clinton supporters doing it while demanding at the same time to be placated by Obama supporters are hypocrites.

[NashVegas]

20. I Don't See the Demand for Obama's Apology for RW Sexist Attacks

I see a video calling for him to speak out against sexist attacks, using a text dated January 7 (sorry, wrong date in the thread above).

[sfaprog]

37. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Who do you think was making the sexist attacks he is being asked to apologize for???

Why do you keep talking about the old date of this crap, when it's being pushed here at DU today, in fresh threads??? The oldness only works against the zealous Hillary supporters pushing this crap, showing they have nothing new.

[NashVegas]

39. You Still Haven't Shown Me Anyone Demanding Obama Apologize

[sfaprog]

42. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Did you watch the video? I think you're being dense just to rile me up. A tactic sure to win people over :eyes:

[sfaprog]

43. Here's screenshots if you're too lazy to watch the video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6020372&mesg_id=6021398

[NashVegas]

46. Once Again

I believe you have mischaracterized the text.

What the producer uses as a statement of criticism, you see a demand for an apology.

[sfaprog]

48. "Unless Obama speaks out, his campaign's chilling acceptance of the gender bias..."

So, you're right. It doesn't demand he apologize, it demands that he speak out against. huge difference there :eyes:

Still does NOTHING to refute the point of the OP, but I think you realize that.

[Renew Deal]

57. Were you on the Rodney King jury?

:shrug:

[anigbrowl]

50. So why is a DUer who supports Hillary reposting it today?

[NorthCarolina]

10. Is that a Congressman Waxman avatar you have there?

Just kidding, but there is a hint of a resemblance

[NashVegas]

15. They Got

Totally different eyebrows.

[mcctatas]

3. try this, it's quicker and the result is the same

the few who get their talking points from Hillaryis44 don't care about the hypocrisy;)

[Deja Q]

4. Depending on the person and the circumstance, they would be oblivious to their own hypocrisy

Nobody's perfect

[NashVegas]

5. Second Try: What Clinton Supporters Are Saying Obama Must Apologize for Right Wing Sexism?

I'm a Clinton supporter and don't seem to get around in those circles.

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[VolcanoJen]

16. Hellooooooooo

MassDemm, much??

[NashVegas]

18. I Have No Idea What You're Talking About

But if it's that video, at what time-point in the video does it demand Obama apologize for Right Wing sexism?

[sfaprog]

21. Seriously? Did you read the scrolling text at the beginning?

It didn't specifically say "right-wing", but there's no doubt left that they are the assholes who are almost completely responsible for saying the misogynistic crap that the video demands Obama apologize for.

[NashVegas]

23. A January 7 Essay Calling for Obama To Speak Out Against Sexist Attacks Doesn't Amount to a Demand

It was published at the end of a week where Clinton was under constant attack for a display of anger at the debates, and welling up at a Q & A.

But it does not demand he apologize for Right Wing sexist attacks.

[VolcanoJen]

27. So where do you think the sexist attacks were coming from, Jupiter?

"And unless Barack Obama speaks out, his campaign's chilling acceptance of the gender bias stirred by our national media will also remind many of Ronald Reagan's acceptance of the race-baiting southern strategy - because if Obama accepts the presidency, at least in part, because of abject sexism, a brutal gender attack on a female rival - the most famous female Democrat in history - he will set feminism in our country back a generation."

So you don't think that's the same as demanding Obama speak out against right-wing sexist attacks? Really? And yes, I fully expect you to parse this thing to death.

[sfaprog]

28. Exactly. And why complain this is an old story when it's the Hillary camp's talking point of the day

:shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

29. It's been the talking point since February 5th.

It's not working. You'd think one of Mark Penn's multi-million-dollar micro-polls would have shown them that by now.

[NashVegas]

35. Does National Media = Right Wing? Does "Speak Out" = "Apologize?

Furthermore, I think you all have a funny definition of "demand," while we're at it.

The paragraph you quote is a critical observation. 'tain't quite the same thing.

[sfaprog]

38. Yes... and yes

a funny definition of "demand"? It doesn't exactly seem like a polite request, saying his presidency will be undermined if he doesn't. :eyes:

[NashVegas]

44. So, You Would Agree Tweety and Olbermann Are Right Wing, Then?

They are, after all, national media and in all probability they and their guests have accounted for 1/3 --> 1/2 of the complaints of sexist attacks against Hillary Clinton in the media.

[sfaprog]

49. Great logic

:eyes:

The members of the media who "stir the gender bias" (as the video says) are right-wing, as is by definition anybody who engages in misogynistic attacks.

[NashVegas]

45. delete

double post

[VolcanoJen]

41. Here's the thing.

The OP might have used the wrong exact words, but I'd love to know where you've been the last eight years if you don't believe "National Media = Right Wing."

Please.

Still, the OP was talking about that wretched video, and if you want to defend that and claim that sexism is the sole "thing" that defeated Clinton, well, I think that's just mad.

The point is, this sexism thing is overblown, overused, and tired. As a woman who has experienced honest-to-gawd sexism in real life, I'm just sickened to hear it cheapened as a way to parse and excuse the fact that Hillary Clinton lost the nomination all by herself. Her political team wasn't up to the job and chose the wrong turn at every fork. It's been a hard-fought, passionate campaign, but we're at the endgame now, and the analysis begins.

We'll all choose different ways to look back, I suppose.

[NashVegas]

47. I Don't Think Anyone Is Claiming Sexism is the Sole Reason HC Is Not In the Position BO Is Right Now

Not anyone that's rational, anyway.

Speaking only for myself, my anger is that a) it was used as a tool throughout the season, initially by Obama + his campaign + supporters, and then by his supporters on their own (+ the media) once he wised up to the backlash it was generating; b) those who used it and others who wanted Obama to win continually diminished the complaints of its use and told HC supporters to stop whining; c) the double standard that came along with it.

Anyone who would deny there were sexist and gender-based attacks made on HC, right AND left is wearing blinders, IMO.

If history is written by the victors, and Obama is the victor in this contest, there will be an attempt to white wash the role that sexist and gender-based attacks played in the campaign. As an HC supporter, and as a woman, I'm having none of it. I think that's what the threads the OP is linking to are about, far more along those lines than a demand for an apology.

[anigbrowl]

51. Then Why repost it on DU in May? You're so full of it.

[emilyg]

6. I can only speak for myself

not interested in you courting me.

[Olney Blue]

25. You speak for me too, emilyg.

[ruggerson]

8. This OP is based on not just one, but two false premises

[sfaprog]

19. And I would LOVE for you to point out what those are.

LOVE it.

[ruggerson]

33. I didn't realize you were Molly Shannon

-- if you are referring to things that people said outside of DU, then post it outside of DU.

-- I've seen no one asking to be "courted". Speaking solely for myself, I'd rather you (and others) simply stop writing divisive OP's, and use your energy to support our nominee and work against McCain. If you even try to "court" me, I will tell you to go away - you don't make my mind up, I do.

I realize that's asking a lot.

[sfaprog]

36. "Post it outside of DU"?!? WTF are you talking about?

I've already cited two clear-cut examples of what I'm talking about occurring here, today, at DU.

And if you think nobody's asking to be courted, you're either blind or deceiving. I'd search for examples, but it's clear your mind is made up to not acknowledge the truth of what Hillary's more zealous supporters are doing, and you've already ignored my first two examples showing you clearly it is indeed occurring here at DU.

:banghead:

[Cha]

13. There just ain't no hypocricy like

hilary Hypocricy since she's made it her own throughout this whole campaign..I really doubt if talking about hypocricy to her supporters is going to get through.

[hfojvt]

17. apologize? Nobody should say that.

But some have said that Clinton should have defended Obama on pastorgate. Clinton was applauded when she defended Obama from Bush's attack. Obama was applauded when he defended Biden from attacks of racism.

Hopefully, Obama has made a statement against sexism and against sexist attacks on Hillary.

[sfaprog]

22. Defended him on pastorgate?!? She pushed it to superdelegates to show he wasn't electable!

And that is what is even more galling. The one true instance of either sexism or racism by one of the candidates was the racism shown by Hillary pushing this "issue" to SDs.

Yet Obama is the one who should apologize. :eyes:

[DemGa]

24. It seems pretty clear that this never happened

"Obama must apologize for the right-wing's sexism or he's as guilty"

I've certainly never seen or heard this silly charge.

[sfaprog]

26. It seems pretty clear it DID

Did you watch the video or see all the other Clinton supporters pushing this talking point? It rather explicitly demands Obama apologize for sexism by the media and others.

But as long as you can put a lie in your post heading, I guess you win :eyes:

[Two Americas]

30. ridiculous

Challenge the individual people on their specific remarks. You are causing a feud out of thin air here. Now that is hypocritical, since that is what you are accusing some vague group of people of doing.

You are calling for unity and for focusing on fighting the Republicans, while stirring the pot about Clinton supporters.

[sfaprog]

40. "Stirring the pot"?!?

If you think it's "causing a feud" to point out the hypocrisy of what I pointed out in the OP, then it's you who is ridiculous.

Your post is just like Obama's list of Clinton smears - somehow even addressing the crap of her and her supporters is being the originator of it. Twisted logic.

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34. If you think there's no sexism in the Democratic party, then........

you are beyond help.

[anigbrowl]

52. Nice try at chaning the subject there. but that's not what the thread is about.

[HannibalBarca]

54. The level of cognitive dissonance displayed by some

is truly astonding. E.g. "Obama ran a campaign in the gutter" - is a laughable statement on many levels and is pure projection compared to some of the zingers that Hill came out with. It's effectively over now anyway but it was still distressing to see.

[OzarkDem]

55. He doesn't have to apologize for anything

He just needs to get out of the race.

[sfaprog]

56. He IS getting out, and he'll take his win & nomination with him. He's moving on to McCain.

Thanks for the reminder that we need to be moving on. :hi: