I feel sorry for Hillary

[cali]

She's not a cartoon monster with evil super powers. She's not a neocon. She's a woman who had great ambitions, and who thought she could be a good president. She ran a lousy campaign. She compromised on too many issues. She morphed into a cariacture, and she lost. I'm glad she's not the nominee, but I still think she's a very bright woman with a mastery of the issues and she's watching her dream die. I still believe she'll find a graceful way to exit the race, and that she'll support and campaign for Obama. Sure, I've been pissed at the way she's run her campaign and things that she's said, or that her campaign has pushed, but she's not Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller. She's a dem- one who's made some big mistakes, but one who's also stood up for some pretty important dem issues.

[anonymous171]

1. She's Macbeth and Bill is Lady Macbeth

:hide:

[dailykoff]

35. Bwahaha!

:rofl:

[JimGinPA]

2. As Soon As She Endorses Obama She'll Get The Love Here Too...

It won't be long now.

[Barack_America]

58. Not from me.

I'll never be able to bring myself to praise her again. She's burned bridges with many Democrats, myself included.

I will however, hold my tongue after she endorses Obama.

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68. Good.

Your State thanks you!

[marmar]

3. Agreed.....

And as disappointed as I am with the tactics her campaign has employed, I retain a good deal of respect for her.
This is, after all, the family whose campaign raised my political conscientiousness as a college student in 1992.

[Ice-9]

4. I couldn't have said it better myself.

:applause:

[NJmaverick]

5. I hope you are right

[doyourealize1]

6. K&R - expresses my sentiments exactly n/t

n/t

[sniffa]

7. Hmm

I don't feel sorry for her though. She's not in that category, but she's in one she made all her own.

I have this distant vision that I'll come around eventually and welcome her back, but that's because I envision her rallying around our nominee. I'm not as angry with her but I'm still resentful for some of the shit that's gone on. Obama was my 3rd (or 3.5rd) choice, and I was just as outraged by the race-baiting that started before I got on board.

[Kajsa]

8. I agree, Cali.

She's tough, resilient and knows how to weather
a storm.

I hope our party can mend now, and find a job for everyone
to help bring back our country.

:)

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9. Don't Cry for Her, West Virginia

The truth is you really like her!
She's not going to give up,
Obama's backed by 'Big Ketchup,'
She'll keep her promise,
She's got persistance...


:hide:

[democrattotheend]

28. I have to admit, that's pretty funny

Especially the ketchup line. Didn't know "Big Ketchup" was a threatening constituency.

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31. It is! I could give you 57 reasons why...

:rofl:

[nomaco-10]

10. I'm not one to pile on when....

somebody's down, but we're fighting for our lives here. We want change now and she wants to hang onto the status quo...forever apparently. The iraqi war vote and her corporate connections were the beginning of her undoing. But now it has disintegrated into race baiting, her exaggerated sense of entitlement, and her power hungry, obsessive ambition that has driven her to the brink of insanity and threatens to damage her own legacy and the well being of the party she so professes to love.

Even the people she and bill have known and worked with for years, have turned their backs on them because of their selfish, hurtful behavior during this campaign. Hell, the sd's won't even take her calls. the fact that she is still sending out mcauliffe and wolfson daily with these insane notions of popular vote, electoral vote, swing states, puerto rican vote and that she's not going anywhere, have become embarrassing and desperate.

Yes, go in peace hillary, but just go.

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[nomaco-10]

55. I don't know why you singled me out.....

my post was not nearly as unflattering as some on this thread. Hey whatever. If you need to vent your frustration, go ahead. I'm a big girl.

[Auntie Bush]

61. No offense

You were just the first person I came across that said something that was attacking Hillary when the poster was expressing compassion. I stopped reading from there. I assure you are no worse than many, many others who lack understanding of another persons pain and feelings. I just have a thing about empathy and prefer empathetic people in general. Sorry that I picked on you personally. I know this place is anonymous but it still hurts to have someone here say something derogatory for expressing their opinion. Sorry! Bare with me...it's a tough night and doesn't encourage people to say nice things.

[Usrename]

70. Hate? Righteous anger or fear seem like more appropriate descriptors.

I guess you don't fear the despotic presidency the way some others do. We have become a torture nation with no rule of law. We have no practical way to tell government, organized crime, or the corporatocracy (think military industrial complex) apart. They have all merged into one giant multi-headed monster with many of the same people representing more than one aspect of the whole cabal.

Hillary believe this is beneficial to the nation. She believes that if we turn our backs on the lobbyists and corporate interests that pull all the strings in Washington that it will be the end of Western civilization. She wishes to preserve the status quo, and has said so on many occasions. She believes in the corruption of the system, and thinks that the way to bring change is to make a different political party the recipients of all the graft. She wants to lead that criminal enterprise.

I think she has taken a position that is indefensible. But if people are not fully aware of how dangerous the path we are on is, then it's difficult to hold their opinions against them. But the rest of the nation is waking up, and the world is watching. She had many opportunities to lead this movement away from the entire Bush Doctrine and she flatly refused to do it. She believes in the Bush Doctrine.

I honestly think that six months ago the nation and the world would have loved to have her champion the Democratic movement. Having watched how she has behaved during this campaign, I no longer think she would be as widely accepted internationally. Things have taken an ugly turn and a lot of people don't even see it. The Clinton's do appear to be in that crowd.

[Marie26]

11. Me too

In the latest interview, Williams first asked if she felt hurt about NARAL endorsing Obama after she'd worked so hard on women's rights, and then about how she felt about Edwards endorsing Obama after she'd become more populist in her campaign. You could just hear the twisting of the knife as Clinton tried to pretend that none of that had hurt at all. I wanted to drop into a hole in the floor; it was so cringe-inducing.

[Quixote1818]

12. We seem to see her in the same light. I always felt she was uncomfortable being on the attack

she only did it because she was told it was necessary to win. Still, I am not sure many other Dems would have gone that far.

[Arugula Latte]

69. That's one thing that is so aggravating to many -- her willingness to go along with all that crap.

That fact that she didn't tell Penn or MacAuliffe or whoever to stuff it when they came up with this race-baiting stuff speaks poorly about her judgment and her unwillingness to stick up for her supposed convictions. So does "obliterate Iran." So does the IWR vote.

[Poll_Blind]

13. Remember, though, SHE was the custodian of that dream and she pursued it poorly.

  I also believe that she will still continue to pursue it poorly and that she is not out of the race until she is out of the race.

PB

[ecstatic]

14. Yes and no

I still need to know why she voted for the IWR. She knew better.

At the same time, I know that this was supposed to be HER year, and I empathize with someone having their dreams destroyed.

[cali]

15. I don't give her a pass on that- no matter her reasons.

As I said in the OP, she's made some really big mistakes. That's number one among them, and there's no excuse for it.

[woolldog]

16. I don't. Not at all.

No point in listing all my reasons as that would be gratuitously negative and there's no need to bash her. But suffice it to say, I don't feel bad about her losing at all.

[slinkerwink]

17. I feel sorry for her as well. Her campaign did her a disservice in how it was run.

[democrattotheend]

25. I agree

And I admit I will probably feel sad seeing her give a concession speech. I know that sounds crazy, but even though she makes me really mad sometimes, when she shows her softer side it tugs at my heartstrings a little bit, and I am going to feel sad to see her drop out. I may get teary-eyed, feel a little bit of regret, and then get over it and run out in the streets celebrating the fact that Obama is the nominee.

[TexasObserver]

18. Yes, she is a monster and she is a neocon.

[TheDonkey]

19. She's shamless, tacky, and embarassing. I've never cared much for her and this primary has

only supported my negative feelings towards her. The party would be a lot stronger without opportunistic and disloyal people like her.

[Forkboy]

20. Honestly, I don't at all. I do feel sorry for her many cool supporters.

But not her. The campaign she ran was ultimately up to her, and she's sleeping in the bed she made. It's honestly been the ugliest Democratic campaign I've personally witnessed.

[ShortnFiery]

21. NO SLACK for HRC until she is FORCED OUT of the race. She won't quit.

She doesn't have an ounce of grace in her after decade of being spoiled by political power and privilege.

I have no sympathy for her UNTIL she's out.

[Liberal Veteran]

22. Let's be honest. Her ideas are good and well thought out. But she isn't the best vehicle to push...

...them. This has nothing to do with gender or anything, but she doesn't seem to know how to seize a moment and go with it. Maybe it's a quirk of her personality that she needs more time to switch gears and adapt to things around her and by the time she does, the situation is changing again.

She strikes me as person who is smart and self-assured, but not someone comfortable making a quick decision. She also doesn't really seem very comfortable having to SELL her ideas.

Would she a be competent president? Absolutely! Right now, though, we need someone with good ideas AND the skill to sell the ideas.

[DevonRex]

23. I don't feel sorry for her much. She's done this to herself. And

she has hurt the party and maybe even our chances of getting a dem in office.

[silverojo]

24. Cry me a river

She and her husband killed a lot of poor people's dreams with their welfare DE-form. She deserves all the debt to give her a taste of what it's like for all the people they kicked off welfare, when it was needed most. The difference between them and Hillary, though, is that she'll have a luxurious home to return to and full health care coverage, in spite of her debts.

(And yes, it was Bill Clinton who decimated Medicaid--I know from personal experience, when I was poor and unable to work, what that bastard did to our country's neediest people.)

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29. Your argument doesn't hold water. Sorry

[Zhade]

42. You HAVE no argument!

"Nuh uh!" is not a rebuttal.

[PBS Poll-435]

46. No. But data is a rebuttal.

Did you not see it?

[Raine]

26. Sorry but I don't...

not after she threw the "kitchen sink" at him. Let's see if she redeems herself and REALLY gets out to help Obama, I have my doubts.

[knixphan]

27. The doors on the Ark have been open...

The moment she comes in out of the rain, we can sail this thing.

[Kahuna]

30. Let's see. Divides white women against blacks. Then divides latinos

against blacks. Then divides working class whites against blacks. Nope. I don't feel sorry for her at all.

[sfaprog]

51. Exactly. The person I thought I respected and who I defended throughout the 90's

has proved me wrong. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I'm not happy about it. I wish she had run a clean campaign and that I could feel genuine sympathy with how close a woman came to being president, but right now, nuh-uh.

[zulchzulu]

56. She also wants to scare the Jewish vote by mentioning Farrakkan...

...who endorsed Obama without Obama wanting his endorsement...but what does The Monster do? She mentions it in one of the debates. She knew what she was doing.

[ProSense]

32. Hillary probably isn't looking for pity, and here's why she doesn't get any:

Hillary Clinton - Get Out Of The Kitchen Barack Obama

Kitchen

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34. Why is Mr. GrovelBot so BITTER?

We are at 59.2% and CLOSING!

:-)

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

38. I object to the term "Grovelbot"

I think we just need to call them "people who support groveling."

Unity, people. Unity.

[PBS Poll-435]

39. How about "Donation Enthusiasts?" Is that neutral enough?

:hide:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

43. Give me a minute. I'm sure I can find something to object to...

I'm running a little short on faux outrage just now...

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44. ***Refresh GD:P Then...***

There is enough for everyone!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

49. Yep. If only we could harness the energy from all that hostility.

Skinner could call off the fund drive and start buying Mrs. Skinner some serious bling.

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53. Well....You have to buy tickets to see the "Ultimate Fighting Championships" in person...

:-)

[Zhade]

37. She chose to lie. She chose to race-bait. She chose to endorse McLame over Obama.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. She did this to herself.

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40. And you chose to believe falsehoods... (and ran with 'em!)

NT!

[Zhade]

45. BULLSHIT. The Tuzla video wasn't a falsehood, nor were the pro-NAFTA meetings documents.

Unlike you, I actually have evidence that supports my argument.

Your denial of the fact that she's a liar doesn't change the reality.

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47. Sure you do... You have ALL the evidence!

:rofl:

[Zhade]

52. The Tuzla video and pro-NAFTA meetings documents that prove she lied are in the public domain.

I don't own them, but they own your argument. It's not like you can fool anyone who's seen the evidence.

Thankfully, it's strong enough to have caused clinton's failure, which is pretty awesome. She won't be the nominee.

[PBS Poll-435]

54. Maybe, Maybe Not...

NT!

[Zhade]

59. Are you actually denying the existence of the Tuzla video and pro-NAFTA meetings documents?

I mean, seriously? Those aren't even up for debate. They exist.

I understand your cognitive dissonance won't allow you to acknowledge that, but they remain in existence nonetheless.

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60. No. There is far less than 100% certainty than Obama will be nominated on that stage in Denver..

[Zhade]

63. Oh, I follow you now. You meant he might not be nominated.

Yes, I suppose I might get hit by a falling satellite on the way home from work, too, but I wouldn't get your hopes up in either case.

Nice to see you AREN'T denying the fact that evidence exists that proves clinton lied about Tuzla and NAFTA.

[PBS Poll-435]

67. And Obama lied on national tv about not running in 08.

It's politics, and it happens.

Deal with it.

[bvar22]

41. I felt a wave of pity and compassion for Hillary Sunday morning.

Slimeball Terry McAuliff was on MTP and told Russert that he had been talking to Hillary about donating more money to her campaign ! He said Hillary was willing to pump in more money!

Of course Show Me the Money McAuliff wants to string out his paydays.
His salary plus Penn's salary plus Wolfson's salary amount to a significant number.
These jackals would rather gleefully feed of the carcass of Hillary's failed campaign than give up their easy payday.

Of course, Hillary has plenty of money, but the image of these glutenous vampires feeding off of her dying campaign overwhelmed me with sorrow for Hillary.
Hillary made some mistakes and some judgement errors, but she does not deserve to be sucked dry by a gang of the worst examples of Human Beings that our culture has produced (Penn, Wolfson, McAuliff).

Hillary, Please run these hyenas off.
They have NEVER done anything good for you!

[Window]

48. My feelings, also. Good post Cali.

:kick:

[atufal1c]

50. I agree completely, Cali

I especially find the claims that she is racist to be sad. Because they're ridiculous. But she makes it so easy...

Sigh.

I *know* she's not a duck.

So I wish she would stop quacking like one.

[Barack_America]

57. If she weren't so damned vindictive, I'd agree with you...

But the roads she has traveled, and the damage she has allowed to be done in her name prevent me from pitying her in any way.

[stillcool]

62. I think she was not

ready for this, and relied on her name, and her political connections to see her through, and it wasn't enough.

[Blue_Roses]

64. I often feel sorry for her

but just about the time I do, she does something really stupid and divisive. I've always liked her, but this primary has shown a side I had never seen before.

[aaronbees]

65. I don't. Not one little bit.

I agree about her understanding of the issues, and I believe that she is a real Dem who'd in theory make a good president. But ultimately it was her decision to run this campaign into the gutter, and her actions speak to her judgment, judgment I wouldn't trust in the White House.

She stood up for some important Dem issues? So what ... so did every other candidate who ran - what makes her so special that deserves my sympathy after running a campaign like this?

[onenote]

66. you are, of course, right

but, unfortunately, there are a lot of immature and/or uniniformed people here who only can see her as a caricature. I feel sorry for them as well.

[Stephanie]

71. She's been compromising on issues since 2002. At least.

I don't feel sorry for her. I feel that finally I'm seeing some justice.