Discuss: In exit polls in state after state, 50% of HRC voters won't vote for O

[Tropics_Dude83]

While 71% of O supporters will vote for HRC. HRC's supporters are very hurt, upset, frusturated and yes a little bitter right now. Look at the response to NARAL on Naral's website to the endorsement of Senator Obama. Fury. A key part of the democratic constituency is angry. How should Senator Obama get them back? What are your ideas Expecting them to just fall in line won't work. A major outreach campaign to them is needed. We have a lot more unifying to do with Senator Obama as our nominee. How should we do it? Going into the GE with just half a party is just not on.

[Aloha Spirit]

1. It's not state after state, but in WV, yes. Bear in mind that 15% of her voters said they wouldn't

vote for her in the fall.

[PoliticalAmazon]

61. In NV Obama swept the rural-voter demographic, which is almost....

100% white working-class or retired (according to Harry Reid).

So it's obviously not that Obama cannot win the votes of rural, white, working-class whites, but probably true that he cannot win the white, working-class bigotted whites. The only difference between the results between Nevada and WVa is the fact that the Clinton really amped up their bigot-pandering.

[totodeinhere]

63. Yup, O took better than 65% here in Elko County, NV. The county is almost all white and Hispanic.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Fuck 'em.

These are like the people who said they would move to Canada after '04.

I don't believe them.

[SoCalDem]

27. Amen.. extortion & tantrums are so "effective"..

talk about a bunch of sore "loosers"..on the loose from Freepertown :rofl:

[VotesForWomen]

51. heh. O can't win and 'doesn't need' half the democrats, but he's going to win the GE.

[skipos]

3. "How should Senator Obama get them back?"

Get Hillary to quit campaigning like a Republican.

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. It's Obama's job to win them over, and I'm confident he can But first...

we have to get Hillary sidelined and out of circulation. As long as she is oozing her poison, Obama will have a harder time uniting the party.

[Captain Hilts]

4. That's bass ackwards from previous exit polls. Ignore them all on this topic. nt

[babylonsister]

5. If they're really Dems, they'll vote for the nominee, period. nt

[jbm]

54. this 'if they're really Dems" stuff bothers me..

I don't fight for something because I'm a Democrat. I fight for something because it's important, and at one point in time I thought working with the Democratic party would provide an existing organization that would simplify the process of acheiving the goal. I'm not loyal to the Democratic Party, I'm loyal to the cause.

[TwilightGardener]

6. What is this "we"? I can't help it if people want to act like bitter vengeful assholes.

Fuck 'em--let all those Emily's List types vote for McCain, and get what they deserve in terms of SCOTUS.

[slinkerwink]

10. that isn't being productive. It's always up to us to reach out to those---and they're hurting.

[slinkerwink]

7. first of all, we need to stop attacking Senator Clinton, and remind them of how bad McCain is

[anonymous171]

8. Exit polling isn't the most accurate thing.

If worst comes to worst, the party will march Hillary out and force her to tell her voters to vote for Obama.

[cali]

9. It's the heat of the moment.

Most Hillary supporters will support Obama- particularly when they see Hillary strongly supporting him.

[FrenchieCat]

11. I have to put your ass on ignore.....Debbie Downer.

You sweat too much.

[Lebam in LA]

12. That is sickening

I have been a Hillary supporter since Biden and Richardson dropped out, but never, never considered not voting for our nominee, which is now Obama. All future donations will gladly go to his campaign. After NC and IN it was clear that she had no chance. We all need to get behind Obama and get him in the white house.

[Faygo Kid]

30. Thank you. It's not easy, but we have got to regain the White House.

This is a tough site for you, and not just because of Obama supporters - you may come in for condemnation from Hillary supporters, too.

Thank God it's only May.

[Lebam in LA]

35. I can't wait for November

I found this site just before the mid-term elections and was so happy to find such bright and engaged individuals. This last few months has been hard to even visit. Hopefully this division will end soon and we can get our nominee into the White House. My ignore list is full of Obama and Clinton supporters. Hope I can remove everyone soon.

[MadBadger]

13. Stop Worrying

[Cha]

14. HaHa..you're backing the wrong horse and

you're sunk to scrambling for little bitty hilary crumbs. You lie with liars you wake with shit all over ya.

[cd3dem]

44. I have heard from countless Hillary supporters... we are writing in Hillary Clinton if we have to!

Screw BO and his swiftboating the Clintons!

[pdxmom]

Countless? Remind me again. Is that more, or less, than a brazillion? N/T

[4_Legs_Good]

15. Dean was on MTP a couple weeks ago, and he made it clear that the loser was going to have to work

hard to bring the party back together.

There's some SERIOUS healing that has to be done.

I know Dean supporters here in 2004 probably weren't gung-ho about supporting Kerry, but Dean worked hard and proved to be a real class act in his support of Kerry, and it worked out well. By the end, I think all of us were on board, and in the end Dean got a good job really well suited to his strengths. I'm really proud of the work he's doing. Of course I'd prefer him as President, but whatcha gonna do.

I hope they can do it again.

Time to heal, and that requires effort from all of us.

David

[Submariner]

16. Don't worry. They will vote for Obama when they find out McSame

will appoint a supreme court that would flip Roe v Wade.

[Boz]

17. Half of that %50 will not stick to their guns,some will, its the same 29% that want her to run indy

If she doesnt get the Dem Nom and are really fringe Dems at best, that wont vote Dem in the long run.

So Obamas 50-60 plus 25% HRC makes for a solid 75% of Dems will vote for him, which with todays numbers of new Dems is 143% of 2004 Dems.

Couple that with Repub disenfranchisement as seen in the Childers seat and John McCain is Boned and Obam is the next President.

[muryan]

18. The only way he gets all of those votes back is if shes on the ticket

Im not saying she should be, but thats the quick fix.

[SoCalDem]

28. The former first lady is an extortionist.. how utterly quaint

:puke:

[VotesForWomen]

52. uh, she's got almost as many votes as O; don't you think he might need those votes?

[dailykoff]

19. BFD.

They're trolls.

[TexasObserver]

20. Like Hillary, they're lying.

Do you really think all these old white people will vote for McCain? They survive on social security and medicare. They may piss and moan now, grousing about Obama, but do you really think all those old white people will vote Republican? Nope, they're lying, like their fav, Hillary.

[stillcool]

21. Half of Hillary supporters are republicans?

[Crunchy Frog]

22. They're the Rush Limbaugh contingent anyway.

They probably weren't going to vote for Hillary either.

[Skidmore]

32. Bingo!

[MindMatter]

50. Half of Hillary supporters wouldn't vote for ... HILLARY

A bunch of them are republicans just looking to stir up the shit. Check out the Indiana results if anybody has any doubt about that.

And as Hillbot after Hillbot has shown on this forum, there are a WHOLE big bunch of older women supporting Hillary who don't give a shit what happens to this country or this party. I don't think they are all that serious about politics. It is more like a fan club. They type up a good story, but where were they when it came to paying the campaign bills and filling up stadiums?

[Bread and Circus]

23. Tropics, I can't take your histrionics anymore, welcome to the void.

[book_worm]

24. well, if Hillary would get out of the race maybe the healing could begin.

[Carrieyazel]

25. If McCain gets 20% of the Democratic crossover vote, Obama's done.

He's on a thin precipice right now. McLame could do even better than that if he plays his cards right. Is Obama's inner circle worried about this? Because regardless of what else happens, he cannot lose that many Dems in the fall and expect to win.

[Higher Standard]

26. I don't put much stock in that type of question...

...during a primary. We currently have two strong Democratic candidates with passionate supporters. The more fiery supporters may react during the primary run in a different way from how they will when it's over and they've had a chance to calm down. Additionally, it's possible that some will say they won't support the other in a poll question to skew the results of the poll so that their candidate can use that poll as an argument for themselves and/or against their opponent. Granted, some will be stubborn and stick to their guns, but I don't trust in the percentages on either side that currently say they will not support the opponent in the GE.

[Faygo Kid]

29. Hillary is obviously the key. The Right wing is already going nuts. How will she respond?

This isn't just a political question she has to decide, it is a profoundly important moment in U.S. history.

What matters most to Hillary? Her supporters are TOTALLY pissed. She has played a role in that. What role will she play now?

Stay tuned. This will go into the history books.

[mohc]

31. Its not state after state

I went through CNN's exit polls, and they did not even begin tracking this question until Pennsylvania.

PA:
5.7% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Clinton
18.1% of Obama voters would back McCain over Clinton
31.1% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Obama
3.4% of Obama voters would back McCain over Obama

NC
16.3% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Clinton
13.2% of Obama voters would back McCain over Clinton (NOTE THIS IS LOWER THAN THE CLINTON NUMBER)
43.1% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Obama
3.3% of Obama voters would back McCain over Obama

IN
13.0% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Clinton
24.4% of Obama voters would back McCain over Clinton
38.9% of Clinton voters would back McCain over Obama
4.5% of Obama voters would back McCain over Obama

A fairly consistent spread where 26% more Clinton voters will not vote for Obama compared to Clinton herself. Obama voters are also far more loyal to their own candidate, especially outside of PA. In NC Obama voters were actually more loyal to Clinton than Clinton voters are. 43% of Clinton voters defecting to McCain in NC is not as disconcerting as the fact that 16% that defect even if it is Clinton.

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[BlueManDude]

34. 50% of HRC's primary voters won't even vote for HER in November.

[blues90]

36. If true , it does not surprise me.

With all the endless bashing from every direction which includes not only the talking head TV media but even the what was once the liberal radio shows, I can't say I blame the people who support Hillary.

I don't but the talk that if people won't vote for Obama makes them repubs or racist. That may be a small percentage of it but far from reality.

I have never seen such relentless smearing within a party. It had been at the point where no one can say a thing about Obama without being termed one thing or another, he gets a free ride.

I know all the candidates are nothing more than corporate freaks and even though I have always been a Dem I am quite sick of the entire Dem party for many reasons and to the point that I could give one shit which Dem backs the other because their word means absolutely nothing anymore to me.

Their purpose and entire concern is all in their own career and not the people. They have proven this over and over again.

So people can say whatever they desire and then take their blown out of focus talking points and cram them where the sun does not shine.

I don't believe Hillary is rotten to the core and if this is true than it tells me all politicians are rotten to the core.

This primary has become only the focus on numbers and smears and lies and money, not the issues. I see this are the case and the entire thing makes me sick of people and their damn insane foolish ideas and reading in between lines and assuming that one person, no matter who it might be will bring what little is left of this drowning country back.

[quakerboy]

37. What do you reccomend?

I have noticed this trend in questions. Propose a solution, rather than just adding fuel to the fire.

Also, just for technical correctness sake, and simplifying things greatly, Obama's 51% plus 50% of Hillarys 49% means that, worst case, Obama's headed to the general with 75% of the party, not half

[kwenu]

38. No such poll can be held as valid until there is only one nominee for the party.

These polls are a waste of time as long as Hillary and Obama are both in the race. There are a few older generation feminists who truly won't vote for anyone other than Hillary but we can't determine their impact until Hillary leaves the stage.

[GoesTo11]

39. He needs to create an emotional connection with them

McCain got the sympathy of the right wing by having the NY Times report on his dalliance with his pretty young female lobbyist friend. Maybe if some RW attacks on Barack (& Michelle) are publicized, this will get HRC supporters to feel more on his side.

[CatsDogsBabies]

40. Many will vote for Obama

when November rolls around. Once the contest between Obama and McCain heats up, I think more Hillary supporters will support Obama.

[Blondiegrrl]

41. I just don't get the outrage.

If Hillary were ahead in pledged delegates, states won, popular vote -- and now, superdelegates -- I'd be disappointed, sure. Maybe even heartbroken. But I certainly wouldn't feel like she was stealing the election from Obama. She would have earned it, the same way HE has earned his No. 1 spot. What is the origin of this outrage?

I have no idea what he can do to appease them. :shrug:

[Marrah_G]

42. I've said it before and I will say it again

Those polls are taken during an extremely emotional time. Come November almost all Hillary supporters will vote for the Nominee. The other choice is too scary.

People are speaking out of emotion and frustration.

[DemGa]

43. Obama should keep right on Bamboozling

Perhaps a Hillary speech is in order?

[Quixote1818]

45. Time will heal and in a few weeks they will be on the Obama bandwagon

It's like when the NY Times wrote that article about McCain and the lobbyist. Suddenly a lot of Republicans who didn't like McCain began to rally around him. They will come around sooner or later.

[VotesForWomen]

53. not likely. nt

[Quixote1818]

55. It will if they care about the issues and are not selfish, poor losers. nt

[TBF]

46. Hillary bears some responsibility for this -

She is the candidate and her divisive tactics are responsible for much ill will. She can step it up, concede, and get this thing on track or she can continue to throw her temper tantrum. It is up to her.

[ecstatic]

47. maybe he should promise them a gas tax holiday?

:eyes:

[WA98070]

48. What poll ever said 50%? Exaggerations!!

[Gore1FL]

49. There are 5 stages of grief.

A majority will be through them come November.

[democrattotheend]

56. It's making me a little nervous

I am seriously afraid that some Clinton supporters will either vote for McCain or sit the election out hoping Obama loses so Clinton gets another chance in 2012. I don't understand the outrage at this point, but they still seem to think Obama has not won the nomination fairly, even though he leads in the delegates and the popular vote even with Florida and Michigan. I can understand them wanting her to stay in through June 3 and I think Obama is better off if she does, but I get the sense that they will still see him as illegitimate even if he leads at the end. They see him as a less-qualified man jumping ahead of a more qualified woman in line, forgetting that a) this is a democracy and nothing says voters have to choose on resume, and b) if they did choose on resume, wouldn't Richardson or Biden or Dodd be the nominee?

[CakeGrrl]

67. John McCain is on record stating his wish to have Roe v. Wade overturned

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/

And if that's what some of her supporters want McCain to do with the 4 years that they hope to give him, it's on them for aiding and abetting.

If they're still in that mindset come November, they're an unfortunate write-off. If they think Clinton's tactics will be forgotten by the voters or by Washington should she be lying in wait for another shot at the nomination, they're probably in for an unpleasant surprise.

[AtomicKitten]

57. Hillary is purposely cultivating the resistance to use as a cudgel -- NOT GONNA WORK.

[MethuenProgressive]

58. Before I respond, please post the source for your figures.

No need to enter a false debate. Too many of those already on OU.

[MethuenProgressive]

71. Still waiting for a source for those numbers.

Were they real or not?

[JVS]

59. There is no moment that one is hyped up with partisan feeling for their candidate like in the...

voting booth.

These people will mostly be able to put shit aside and vote for their best interests in 6 months.

[Tatiana]

60. If, in November, these folks vote for McCain then they were never really Democrats. n/t

[GoesTo11]

62. Why shouldn't they vote for McCain

Their leader has told them that McCain is qualified to be Commander-in-Chief, Obama is not. That McCain loves America and Obama, well, no comment.

In spite of what HRC has said in the last day or two, she essentially endorsed McCain if she isn't the nominee. What we're seeing now is the result of her scorched earth politics. It was destructive, it won't be 100% reversible, and all we can do is say shame on her.

[julialnyc]

65. When I was head over heals for Wes Clark in 2004 I would have told you that I wouldn't vote for JK

Because I was in the heat of my passion (and if I'm being honest, to skew polls) I might have said I wouldn't vote for Kerry, but once I realized Wes was finished (and threw his full hearted support to Kerry) my feelings mended andI was able to get enthusiastic for Kerry. When you are that passionate for someone it does take a little healing (and I think when the spotlight gets to McCain the healing process will speed up)

[Life Long Dem]

66. The Zell Miller Dems will be going back to vote GOP.

[Sparkly]

68. She'll lead her supporters to get behind him, and I think he'll take it from there and convince them

Hopefully most of them, at least.

And, we need as many people as possible to WATCH THE DEBATES with McCain!!

[Fox Mulder]

69. Well then, 50% of Hillary voters aren't Democrats.

Yeah, I said it.

[Texas Hill Country]

73. but you still cant win without them... n/t

[wowimthere]

70. So what! You can find any reason not to vote for a candidate... Look they like clinton and

she voted for the war. Frankly I don't care whether her supporters back him. He will get other supporters. By time the GE starts there will be a whole crop of new voters registered to vote independent. If they weren't going to vote for Obama then maybe they weren't ever going to vote for him. Some of her supporters have voted against their best interests anyway. Why would I think that they wouldn't continue that trend?

[krawhitham]

72. A lot of Hillary supporters are female republicans

Without a female canidate they will fall back to their own

[Zachstar]

74. No major outreach program is needed

It is Clinton's responsibility to rally her support to Obama. One she has accepted.

Stop freaking out. Why not just go back to being a Clinton Supporter?