The delegate count for FL and MI will be solved on, or about May 31.

[IsItJustMe]

After absorbing months of news analysis, and listening to the DNC folks that are in charge of making their decision on FL and MI on the May 31 meeting, there is no doubt in my mind that this will be resolved then.

The reason being that they simply can not leave this fester any longer.

Here is the way I see it going down. They have to give FL and MI a consequence for breaking the rules. They already have the example of what the Republicans did with these two states, so the DNC will follow suit.

All the delegates from FL and MI will be given half weight (including SD from those two states). The ‘uncommitted’ out of Michigan will be given to Obama (It’s the only fair thing that could be done in this given situation). The delegate count to win the nomination will be adjusted accordingly.

This will be done, regardless of what Obama or Clinton thinks about it. Why? Because it has to be. PERIOD. No more games.

Obama is so far ahead in the pledged delegates, and the flood of SD’s that will be coming his way, that he will have a hard lock on the nomination very soon after.

The DNC will not allow this to go on to the convention. That would be suicide. Take that to the bank.

What say you?

[Kittycat]

1. I think they'll approve the 69-59 split in MI. Who knows in FL.

[IsItJustMe]

3. Do you know what that split is bases on? Is it a number that they just come up with or is it based

on the actual votes?

[Kittycat]

4. There are no 'actual votes' the judge threw it out.

But I do believe it was a compromise that they (MI leadership) agreed on, recently. And a plan that was initially developed by 4 undecided superdelegates in their state.

[navarth]

2. I have no problem with it if it doesn't take the candidacy away from Obama. nt

[suston96]

5. Voters cannot be "punished" for the idiotic transgressions of political party hacks....

...it was believed that no one would show up to vote in Florida and Michigan because people were told that their delegates would not be seated.

Surprise, surprise, surprise.....the voters showed up - 2.3 million of them! Get the picture?

Count them and seat the delegates. This is the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party Charter says that ALL Democrats are guaranteed fair and equal participation in the Party's nominating process. The DNC cannot deny party members this fair and equal participation based on alleged violations of DNC rules by state party leaders.

Count them votes. All 2.3 million of them. If not, there will be blood!

[IsItJustMe]

6. There will be no blood and the DNC are not stupid. There was no blood with the Republicans when

they did it, and there will be no blood here. You over react my friend.

The DNC are not stupid and they WILL dole out a consequence for those two states, mark my word on it. The DNC will do the right thing.

[suston96]

7. The right thing? The DNC are your friends if they support your candidate....? Yeah, I get it....

Set aside this matter between Clinton and Obama for a few milliseconds. Think of this: punishing 2.3 million Democrats who showed up to vote because their states did what 5 other states did - held early primaries. Where is the logic and the fairness?

This is a repeat of that outrage when the USSC stopped the vote counting in Florida 2000? Remember? Except now we have Democrats trashing fellow Democrats voting rights.

"The DNC will do the right thing"? The convention "will do the right thing". Let the convention select the nominee after ALL delegates from the 50 states are certified and seated Sorry, I don't trust the DNC which wants to eliminate two states in violation of the Democratic Party Charter.

Count the votes and stop the bleeding in the party now. It will only get worse.

[Hola]

8. Silly

The votes are being counted - for those elections which were conducted properly and legally. To do otherwise is just to make a farce over the whole democratic process.

[suston96]

10. The "whole Democratic process" is precisely that all votes will be counted.

The Democratic Party Charter says that ALL members must be guaranteed full and equal participation in the nominating process.

There were two elections in two different states. Democrats came and voted - 2.3 million of them. They must be counted - ALL of them. Not some percentage or partial counting - ALL of them.

"Uncommitted" in Michigan can be seated as "uncommitted" and vote whichever way they want. That is the logical and reasonable, and most important - that is the Democratic way to resolve this.

It isn't about Clinton and Obama - it's about the members of the Democratic Party and their rights to participate as individuals in the nominating process - ALL of them!

[cali]

11. Sorry, this is the real world, not some hilly fantasy land.

Who believed that voters wouldn't show up in MI and FL. Nope that's not true. The DNC sets the rules and schedules for the primaries. Period. This is nothing new, and transgressors get punished. Hell, it was hilly syncophant Terry Mac who wrote the rules. The likely results are that MI will be split between Clinton and Obama with about 10 more delegates going to Clinton. FL will probably be seated much as it voted. SDs will either not count or get half a vote.

And please stop making disgusting, violent and empty threats. You aren't going to get your way. Hillary is toast. It's over. Live with it.

[indimuse]

17. 41% "Presumptive"...WHOOP ASS ! It ain't over cali, and you know it!

:hi:

[cali]

Of course it's over. SDs don't want Hilly. It's that simple

How many SDs did hilly get from her big win last night? I'll tell you: 1. That's it. One measly SD endorsement out of her blowout win. And Obama? He's gotten 3.5 today- after his big loss. Deal with reality. Next week, obama will win Oregon by double digits, and he'll pass the Pelosi club number, triggering 9 Congressional delegates who have pledged to vote for him when he gets the majority of possible pledged delegates. He's only 136 delegates from 2024. Hilly's 308 delegates from it, and it might as well be 500 or a thousand. She's no longer a factor. Of the 241 SDs left, Obama only needs a quarter.

:hi:

[cliffordu]

18. I guess those that showed up were low information voters.....

[indimuse]

20. AND...isn't it true , that Obama - Edwards - Conyers and Conyer's wife..

ran radio ads and passed out flyers etc..the entire time, to VOTE "Uncommitted"! That my friends is considered Campaigning..technically. How many people voted Uncomitted?

[SurfingAtWork]

9. One question I have about the uncommitted from MI. It has been reported that the Clinton campaign

went to great lengths to ensure that the overwhelming majority of uncommitted delegates chosen at the state convention were die-hard Hillary supporters. I hope that if there is an agreement reached which would give Obama the uncommitted, they get a say so in who the uncommitted who end up going to Denver are, otherwise most of them will vote for Clinton anyways.

[suston96]

22. "Uncommitted" ? Not a problem. Seat them at the conventionas "uncommitted".

...They will probably all vote for Obama. That's OK. That is why they voted "uncommitted" - Obama foolishly withdrew his name from the ballot.

In a democratic election, you never, never take your name off a ballot.

[IndianaGreen]

12. Hillary will appeal the DNC decision and take the fight to Denver

where she will make such a stink that will end up giving the Presidency to McCain, which has been her goal all along.

[cali]

13. With what money? She flat out doesn't have the resources to do it.

[IndianaGreen]

16. Bill has lotsa money he has raised from special interests aka "Hil's donors"

The Clintons will stop, or stoop, at nothing to get what they want.

[cali]

21. Nope. Threre's a legal limit as to how much personal money they

can use. Another 14 million doesn't even cover their debts. The Clintons are pragmatists. They won't be taking this to the convention.

[SurfingAtWork]

24. You don't don't really think that the legality of something or not will stop them

From doing something they think they need to do, do you?

[cali]

25. yes. vI do. There's no way to get away with it. She's not some

cartoon monster with super powers. She's done. And she knows it.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. My question is why did the DNC do so much damage in demanding ALL delegates be stricken?

If the violation of the rules by state party officials (read: not the voters) was so important, why didn't they simply strike the superdelegates or cut the delegations in half?

Howard Dean did a major FUBAR here. You may like him, but he screwed the pooch.

This is why I always say the DNC bears the blame for this mess.

[ShortnFiery]

19. B.S. The DNC warned the Democratic Leadership in both FL and MI well *ahead* of time and offered

to assist them in moving back their Primaries.

The people to blame are "the Democratic Leaders' in both MI and FL. They KNEW that they were BREAKING the DNC rules and were warned that "both the votes and the delegates would be stricken" BUT they did it anyway.

Now they believe that they can BULLY their way into having it count.

That's bullshit! You better believe that if it would HARM HRC in any way, shape or form, Hillary's ORIGINAL position "they won't count for anything" would stand.

I'm SICK of being pressured into treating "the Clintons" like political royalty.

The delegates should be seated 50:50 but NONE of the votes should count.

Blame your SELFISH and CORRUPT Democratic leaders who flaunted the rules despite plenty of warning. :nuke:

[WeDidIt]

15. Teh Super Delegates will get a full vote each

MI may end up being split 50-50 because the implication wthin the pledge was that the DNC wanted candidates to remove their names from the ballots wherever possible.

[DemsUnited]

23. Agreed with one exception. They will go with the proposal Michigan's

Democratic executive committee proposal to allocate 54% of their delegates to Clinton and 46% to Obama.

Obama campaign has supported that proposal, Clinton nixed it.

I think the DNC will vote to accept Michigan's proposal, then half the delegates as outlined in the OP.