We are doomed untill and unless Senator Obama finds a strategy appealing to voters that he lost Tue

[Tropics_Dude83]

Senator Obama needs to hunker down with David Axelrod and David Plouiffe. I'd even bring in Bill RIchardson and Ted Kennedy. Especially Ted who appeals to a lot of the voters that Obama lost so massively tonight. They need to have extensive discussions because tonight has made plain that we have a tremendous problem with catholics, working class voters, white voters, church goers, gun owners, etc.

Tonight's results are very bad. DU and the "netroots" aren't the real world. We need to understand that our preferred candidate just doesn't connect with huge segments of the coalition that democrats need to win in the fall. The working class 2 job hispanic housekeeper is our base for heaven's sake! If we lose him/her, that's a huge loss. If we lose single mother Suzie down the road who works 2 jobs and is trying to put enough money together to send her son to college, that's a huge loss. They vote democrat in tremendous numbers each and every election. So far, they aren't going for our presumptive nominee.

African Americans and young people are the Mcgovern coalition!! This problem is so grave that Obama needs to have what I would call urgent strategy ssessions with his advisers. This problem needs to be fixed ASAP.

And no, this isn't an endorsement of Hillary Clinton. This is a plea to Axelrod, Plouiffe and Obama himself to solve this issue NOW!

[FrenchieCat]

1. You need to get off the net....cause you are on my last nerve......

You should just sit out and wait till November after the GE to announce who you support.
Then you can support the winner of the entire election, cause that's really all that you are about.

Kind of sad to have to see through you over and over again.

[onehandle]

26. Welcome to the Internets.

Where all opinions are.

(read my other response down the thread)

added text: ah, you edited.

[Labors of Hercules]

31. Gotta admit he does kinda seem like...

a R%$&*()#n plant, doesn't he?

[FatDave]

76. Wait, that wasn't sarcasm?

Just some chump then.

[rug]

40. Lol.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. Boo Hoo Hoo For You You You But The OP Does Have A Pretty Valid Point.

Too bad valid points seem to hurt your head.

[quantass]

2. Remind me again how Obama won Twice as many States?

and the most popular vote, and the most financial donations in political history, etc...etc...etc...
Hillary is $20 million in debt..sounds to me she has the problems.

And lets not forget that there were other candidates (white candidates) which lost severly to Obama much early on...lets never forget that we are in primaries not GE.

[FrenchieCat]

9. This poster is a chicken little.......who I would not want in a Foxhole with me!

"We're doomed, we're doomed, I tell you! The sky is falling!"

[Tropics_Dude83]

13. His coalition as it stands right now is one that will get us creamed in the fall

I have confidence that he can rectify the issue but it needs rectifying all right. Working class people are a key element of the democratic coaliton. He needs to get them back. His campaign strategists are brilliant. I trust that they can. But let's not bury our heads. This is an existential threat that he needs to solve to win.

[Thrill]

23. Big difference in facing Hillary for those voters and facing McCain for those voters

[quantass]

41. DUDE, it's still early...6-months back Guliani was the expected Repub Nominee...6-months from now...

who is to say things wont change...you are panicing before the race gun has even fired. Obama and his team aren't stupid...they beat Hillary and her machine when noone thought otherwise...and they did it convincingly.

6-months from now the scape could be different, now that Obama has taken out the trash.

[SeattleGirl]

42. Most Dem presidential candidates have trouble wooing the

working class voters.

Been that way for a long time.

If you want to try to change their minds by November, be my guest.

[eridani]

71. It would probably help a lot if Dems themselves did not push the Repuke 'elitist" frame

Clinton is a real jackass if she thinks that would not also harm her in the general election.

[Triana]

73. Bingo - not an Obama problem - it's a Democrat's problem - it always has been. n/t

[cali]

82. Actaully, he's polling better than Hillary in head to head matchups

with McCain. He ran a terrific campaign in the primary. There's no reason to think he won't do the same in the general. All the elements needed for a win are present. The chicken little shit is silly.

[VotesForWomen]

81. another clueless naive Obamite who thinks the GE is the same as a dem primary. america is really fuc

fucked if O and his supporters are the 'smart' ones.

[Kittycat]

3. Thank you for your "concern"

That was a primary - only one person will win within our party. That was clinton's base, plain and simple.

[Hawkeye-X]

4. So I take it tomorrow you will be changing to a Hillary avatar again tomorrow?

I'll be waiting.

[bicentennial_baby]

10. I've been waiting for a day or two now...

He's wavering...AGAIN!

:rofl:

[Solomon]

30. I wish he would. I'd rather he be over there giving them the blues.

It's ridiculous.

[gabeana]

5. Then how do you account for

IA, WA,CO,MN, Wisc, Obama can turn NC,VA blue also strong chance in NM and even TX.
everyone with a brain knew this was going to happen tonight. The sky is not falling Chicken Little

[Ken Burch]

6. Well, what do we do exactly?

HRC won those votes by appealing to hatred and fear.

How do we counteract that?

And btw, Obama did win all those groups in Illinois in his Senate race.

My suggestion would be that Obama talk more forthrightly about class. I suggested this in the past and was shouted down by Obama people(at the time I was still backing Kucinich, but the advice was meant to help Obama).
The idea is still valid.

[Levgreee]

7. You think it was the Hispanics who didn't vote for him tonight?

And also, were you a Hillary supporter a week ago?

[Ken Burch]

18. I was wondering about that one myself.

Do they even HAVE Hispanics in West By God Virginia?

Or Catholics, for that matter?(remember, that was the state JFK had to win in the 1960 primaries to prove that he could get Protestant votes, thanks to the anti-Catholic smear campaign Hubert Humphrey was running against him.)

[Tropics_Dude83]

25. Of course there aren't hispanics in WV-not many anyway

My point was about the GE. Sorry for the clarification. I was thinking of a HRC hispanic housekeeper voter I read about during the Nevada caucuses and that's why I brought this up.

[Ken Burch]

56. OK. I get what you're saying.

I've never understood why Obama was having a problem with working-class voters or hispanics. The man was a community organizer and was always much more in solidarity with those people than HRC was. Who stirred up the shit that hurt him in those groups?

[blonndee]

8. This shit is SO OLD!

Jeez. Give it a rest already with the "doom" crap, willya?

[rurallib]

11. Okay - hold on here.

Obama connected with these groups in Iowa, in Nebraska, in Missouri and so forth. This 'whites voting for Clinton' is a hysteria that the MSM has created to keep the pot stirred. They have commercials to sell.
There is a specific geographic area where this phenomenom has happened and that is Appalachia. Look at the vote then look at the maps. I am not sure how Appalachia will go in the GE. I do know that the Clintons were highly thought of in that area.
But the 'poor whites for Clinton' just doesn't hold up everywhere.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Thanks for your concern.

[Connie_Corleone]

14. I'm putting you on ignore, flip flopper.

[thewiseguy]

15. I think you have a point in regards to the primaries but it will be a different story in GE

There is a good reason why Obama is ahead of McCain by 5-6 points in the Gallup poll.

The hispanic housekeepers or the single mother Suzie will not vote for McCain in GE. Keep in mind that we are still in the primaries.

[Aloha Spirit]

16. It sounded to me like he really threw out a populist message today, in MO

New podium-front sign that said Reclaiming the American Dream helped too.

[OhioBlue]

17. calm down. we will be fine in November

The Republicans are running on a bad brand. We just need the Primary to be over and unite to start the GE campaign. Obama has handled Hillary with kid gloves. Bill and Hill have been running a repulsive and divisive campaign. Once she concedes and they start working for Dems (hopefully they do) we will be okay. I know Obama can carry Ohio. My family and friends are all Nascar watchin', rural, working-class white folk. Overwhelmingly they will go for Obama in the Fall.

As for the exit polls, I know a lot of Hillary voters say they will not vote for Obama against McCain, but have they asked those voters if they will vote for Hillary against McCain? The Dem turnout is way up in all States for the Primary. How many are voting in the Dem Primary b/c that is the only race going on right now?

[wiggs]

75. Totally agree with every word. Good post. Obama has been very kind

and classy wrt Clinton. And we will be fine in the fall because our candidate will not triangulate, praise McCain, give the Bush administration a break, or continue an unhealthy addiction to corporatism. And Clinton, without an election ahead of her, will be free to be the progressive that, hopefully, is still part of her.

[SeattleGirl]

19. Self-delete. Dupe.

[Tropics_Dude83]

37. No democrat since 1916 has won the GE without carrying West Virginia

Again, no plans now or in the future to change to a Hillary avatar but Obama has got to start appealing to these people.

[Aloha Spirit]

43. From what I've read, Iowa, Colorado, states like that will be more significant in November. BUT

I would really like to see some effort in Kentucky to wade into that pool of skeptics.

[OhioBlue]

46. Actually, I think we can win WV

We just need to bring coal mining safety standards to the head of the conversation, talk about the mountain top removal destruction of the environment and jobs, fair trade, education, etc. The more WV residents get to know Obama, the more comfortable they will be.

[Thrill]

20. YAWN......So these working class voters are going to vote for McCain?

Why? Because he connects with them? Give me a damn break

[merh]

21. Get Hillary out of the race and let Obama campaign

and not have to dodge the kitchen sinks - Let him campaign against McCain and let the people see him for who he is, not for the image of the guy running against hillary.

All of her distractions need to end.

[Danger Mouse]

22. Fair weather Obamatron.

[scheming daemons]

24. No... we're really not.... you're too big of a chicken little....

A) You have to remind yourself that he is losing voters to another Democrat. This has nothing to do with who they'll vote for in the GE.

B) He has added new voters to the Democratic coalition that weren't there in 2004 or 2000.

C) Bob Barr will peel off as many votes from McCain as Obama will lose that were Clinton-to-McCain voters.


Relax, man. Every other week, you have a conniption and switch sides. Next Tuesday you'll be all aglow when Obama wins Oregon by 15-20% and clinches the pledged delegate count.

By next week at this time, Obama will be less than 100 delegates from 2025... and if he gets more SDs, it might be under 50.

[quantass]

27. TROPIC_DUDE (the OP): Yur one strange FLIP-FLOPPER -- that manhood is ooozing out of you -- be a MAN

not a wimp...ladies dig men with confidence and bravery.

[Condem]

28. A crock of shit , Tropics

You panic at the drop of a hat. And, Hillary drops it. It's POS West Virginia.

[DearAbby]

29. SNARF

:spray::rofl:


WE'RE DOOOOOOMED!!!
:rofl:

[PM7nj]

32. Wavering again?

What is this, the 3rd or 4th time you have flipped?

[mmonk]

33. pfffft

:spray:

How quickly we forget NC and Indiana. Or the states won.

[boston bean]

34. Did you take over for that chick who flip flopped constantly, can't remember her screen name

can anyone else?

[bicentennial_baby]

38. Do you mean AGirl?

:rofl:

[boston bean]

48. yeah that's the one!!

:rofl: I liked her though, and I like tropics dude too. There's something about them, I can't quite put my finger on, but I have an affinity for them. I wish Agirl wasn't ts'd.

[Leopolds Ghost]

50. Even Better, NJSecularist -- who attacks his previous candidate VICIOUSLY every time he flips.

And has an obsession with repealing the capital gains tax.

[onehandle]

35. I wouldn't worry.

See. I issued a contrary opinion without being mean or insulting.

(This comment is not directed to you Tropics_Dude83, it's directed to another)

[SeattleGirl]

36. Uh, no, we are not "doomed" because WVA hates black people

and wouldn't vote for 'em on a bet.

WVA is not the end all and be all of the election.

In fact, I'd say they matter very little, because come November, I think the majority of them will vote Repuke.

I'm not going to be sweating over them or losing any sleep over it.

There ARE people in WVA who know what's what, but they are in the minority, sadly.

I don't want to waste the Dem's time and money trying to persuade the rest of them to see the light. They won't. Not by November, and you are kidding yourself if you think othewise.

[oviedodem]

39. His problem is not message. He has been labeled:

An elitist
A muslim
Unpatriotic


most of all; there are some very very racist people in this world as evidenced by the phone banking.

[FrenchieCat]

47. He has been lied about. Not the same.

And Clinton in 1992 had been labeled as a womanizer, unpatriotic and a draft dodger.

And?

This ain't supposed to be easy......but the good people of America will come through. Otherwise, America is doomed. The world will no longer believe shit America has to say, and that will put us in extreme danger.

So I'm gonna keep working it, because Barack Obama can do this with out help.

Yes, we can!

[boston bean]

51. Are you Michelle Obama? cause you sound just like her. America is doomed if O isn't the one. nt

[jillan]

44. Congratulations for being an Obama supporter who can see this.

I know I am not alone when I say I really worry about him being able to win in the GE.
He is most likely going to be our nominee, and he needs to figure this out....

[scheming daemons]

54. He's not an Obama supporter... he's a bandwagoner.... he's for whoever appears to be winning.....

no conviction.

Next week, he'll be all pro-Obama after the Oregon blowout.... then he'll be all "the sky is falling" when Hillary wins Puerto Rico....


Tropics, like NJSecularist, is just pointing whichever way the wind is blowing each night.

[cici4691]

58. Sheesh, tar and feather the recusant

for he knows not what he speaks.

My God, the guy says he's an Obama supporter but he's being treated like he's a heretic simply for raising valid points of concern.

[Garbo 2004]

59. He's back again being an "Obama supporter" as of last week, before that he was a Clinton supporter

confident in her victory, then a month or so before that he was an Obama supporter posting "we're doomed" threads. Now he's back in his "we're doomed" Obama supporter mode. Next week, who knows?

[Lilith Velkor]

77. That's par for the course

The rabid fans don't want to hear anything but overconfidence on behalf of Senator Obama.

They are in for a rough fucking year. :popcorn:

[kwenu]

45. This is why it is more important that Hillary exit ASAP. There can't be a true assessment until she

is gone and the match-up is between Obama and McCain.

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. Doomed says Concerned Tropics_Dude! DOOOOOOOO.. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo

How many times has this guy switched allegiances out of "concern" for Obama?

[RBInMaine]

52. You are overstating this. I will agree more needs to be done re: white working class, BUT

you can make the same arguments to team Hillary regarding NC, MN, VA, WA, WI, and OR to come, etc. etc. etc. This is a demographics matter. Hillary, likewise, can't win without black voters, educated voters, new voters, young voters, "liberal" voters, and male voters. So fine, more to do on working white class folks and older folks, and they WILL, but please don't be so doom and gloom over WV which of ALL the states what Hillary's "perfect storm for Obama" demographic set: white, old, working class, less educated.

[Trajan]

53. Doomed ?

We're DOOOOOOOOMED !

Oh no .... OH NO !

DOOOOOOOOMED !

:nuke:

[avenger64]

55. His strategy should be to concede.

Let the candidate who can win, run in the general election.

Otherwise, to the convention!

[CakeGrrl]

57. You mean the candidate who can't beat him without strongarming invalid primary votes in her favor?

n/t

[LowerManhattanite]

60. Note to Skinner...

Please include a weather vane avatar in the “to select” list. Some folks here need it. :)

[Beausoir]

61. Obama does NOT care for the hard-working UNION men and women of WV. That is fact.

He's an elitist snob who could give two shits about the "grunts" working in the coal-mines.

In his view, they are not worthy of his time. That's why he did not bother to even show up and ask for their vote.

In his view, anyone who does not vote for him is an in-bred racist.

[blitzen]

62. So, you're saying we need an "Appalachian State Strategy"?

that's a funny one!

[Fox Mulder]

63. Why should Obama try to reach out to people who'd prefer a white person...

over a black one?

[MadBadger]

64. My god, go away.

He did the same with these type of voters in Indiana. Its just that in this state, they make up the entire state.

[iamthebandfanman]

66. but you see, if obama trys one that will work

allll the hillary people will talk about how hes bringing faith into politics or the like...
oh, its okay if you want to use race to connect to people... but not faith... am i missing something?

[NOLALady]

67. You're kidding, right?

[jgraz]

68. Maybe he could paint himself white and knock out a few teeth

Then a partial lobotomy... he'd be just like them reg'lar folks.

[TwilightGardener]

69. Jesus. H. Christ. Grow some BALLS, Chicken Little!! I can't cope with

your vacillations and your hair-trigger piss-your-pants brand of anxiety. I wonder if this really isn't all an act.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

79. It absolutely is an act. Trite and tiresome at that.

[quakerboy]

70. Its really down to a much simpler question

What will Hillary Clinton be doing to make sure that her voters vote for the Democratic Nominee? What will Obama do to make sure that his voters will vote for the Democratic Nominee?

[WA98070]

72. Our preferred candidates didn't make it past the MSM. Kucinich, Edwards ...

Their ideas appealed to us and threatened corporate America.

[JohnnyLib2]

74. Confidence-gate!

We were overdue. :evilgrin:

[charlie]

78. Cripes, here we go again

A new thread every time some manic impulse sends you pinballing in a new direction.

[Cali_Democrat]

80. LOL

:rofl: