Hillary Clinton, somber speech—asking the voters to think hard about

[rodeodance]

Who is the strongest to win in the GE. The message to the delegates and the super delegates also.

[Occam Bandage]

1. And the supers, the elected delegates, and the voters are agreeing: that's Obama.

[LisaL]

2. Is that why he lost WV by close to 30 %?

[Occam Bandage]

5. Nope. That's why he's up 17-20 delegates on the week, and why he leads in popular vote, elected

delegates, and superdelegates.

[gabeana]

7. is that why she has lost 31 contest?

[polpilot]

90. Hillary & Bubba's Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA, Pro-McCain message was not well received & that's no fairy

tale. Obama '08

[Butch350]

17. 2. Is that why he lost WV by close to 30 %?

Better take a picture of WV, it'll last longer than HRC's nomination run.

[gbrenna]

20. Clinton lost Virginia by 29

points-much more delegate rich than West Virginia.

[Lefty-Taylor]

43. So now West Virginia is the supreme barometer?!

Lol!

[rodeodance]

55. Why West Virginia Matters

From: Clinton Campaign

Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Re: Why West Virginia Matters

With a record turnout expected in today’s primary, West Virginia Democrats will make clear who they believe is the strongest candidate to take on Sen. McCain in the Fall.

The Mountain State is used to picking winners. Every nominee has carried the state’s primary since 1976, and no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916.

Democrats carried West Virginia in 1992 and 1996, but lost the state—and the White House–in 2000 and 2004. Hillary has predicted victory against Sen. McCain in West Virginia based on the strength of her economic message.

Given the attempts by our opponent and some in the media to declare this race over, any significant increase in voter turnout, coupled with a decisive Clinton victory, would send a strong message that Democrats remain excited and energized by Hillary’s candidacy.

In the face of grim poll numbers, the Obama campaign has attempted to dismiss today’s outcome despite the fact that Sen. Obama has outspent us on advertising, has more staff in the state, and more than double the number of offices.

He has also benefited from the support of the most high-profile endorsers in West Virginia—Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Congressman Nick Rahall. By every measure, the Obama campaign has waged an aggressive campaign in the Mountain State.

Despite being the so-called “presumptive nominee” and benefiting from these advantages, Sen. Obama has been unable to close a significant gap in the polls.

Sen. Clinton has already won Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan. With a win in West Virginia, Sen. Clinton will have once again proven her greater ability to win in the key swing states.

[Quixote1818]

65. West Virgina is filled with Old White Women

Did Clinton's campaign mention that?

[rodeodance]

69. and women helped her win tonight. YEAH

[symbolman]

82. And you screech your little head off at any sign of Sexism?

like I've said all along this is veiled bigotry and reverse Sexism, thats her whole campaign..

[rodeodance]

94. I am not crying sexism.

[k8conant]

84. And this old white woman voted for Obama in WV today!!!!

[Ioo]

78. So? This whole thing is so pre-911 thinking...

WE (I live here in WV) has a total of 5, count them 5 (IIIII) (*****) votes in the electoral collage. We mean shit.

All of this is just stats.. and they change all the time. this is more moving the post

[Pastiche423]

64. No

It's because there are a hell of a lot of racists in WVA that seem to be mighty proud of that fact.

[rodeodance]

72. STOP CALLING VOTERS RACISTS. ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!

[Pastiche423]

80. SCREAM AT THE GUY I WAS QUOTING

He said it, not me.

[symbolman]

81. All it proves is that there are basically very FEW Democrats in WV

and plenty of Republicans like Hillary playing the Charade for all they're worth..

She is a Republican, and so were they.. The actual Democrats in that state voted for Obama.

Meanwhile she's bilking poor people for all they've got, like some slimy Televangelist, while she sits on a hundred million bucks!

[PatGund]

3. And I think that all the above HAVE thought very hard about who is best

Her problem is the answer they all came up with is Sen. Obama.

[Kittycat]

4. As another poster pointed out... Obama - 27SDs in one week.

In one week.

[jefferson_dem]

6. No worries. They are thinking hard.

And they are doing the right thing - rejecting Hillary and moving consistently toward the eventual nominee.

[rodeodance]

15. Her speech will give pause to undecideds and upcoming voters.

[greguganus]

30. LMAO! n/t

[earthlover]

31. The pause was whether to smile or just pity....hard choice, this

[polpilot]

33. Only if the 'crack' kicks in...and only for the 'math challenged'

[cliffordu]

45. Her speech begged for money - no wait, SHE begged for money

before giving the undecideds and upcoming voters ANYTHING else to think about....

[rodeodance]

47. Did you listen where she was passionate talking to the upcoming voters-and

the delegates?

She laid out a good case for her elect-ibility.

[cliffordu]

48. She begged like my dope fiend niece for money.

The rest is bullshit n' jingos...

[rodeodance]

49. You will be happy to know that her camp.manager said they have enough $$ for the next 3 weeks.

[cliffordu]

54. He's also the idiot that claims she came from behind in Indiana...

[rodeodance]

56. what was she polling ealier in the contest??

[cliffordu]

58. someplace between 0 and 100%....

He said she was down by 8 at one point, which is bullshit, you bully you....


:cry:

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

61. "you bully you...." Does it make you feel like a big shot to name-call??

[cliffordu]

62. Aren't you the "person" who likes to call people bullies??

[rodeodance]

70. I call out posters when I see bully type behavior. Get the distinction? Probably not.

[cliffordu]

75. Sure. I was mocking you. And your intellect.

[rodeodance]

76. I find you boring. Bye.

[coyotespaw]

63. Too bad November is more than 3 weeks away...

I guess it's not that much of a problem for her, though.

[MaineDem]

88. Let's hope they can meet payroll today

That'll be the first big test.

Campaign managers say a lot that they don't quite mean.

[bigtree]

8. thanks for posting this. At least one thread has enough class

. . . to treat this candidate with respect.

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[shadowknows69]

14. She's long past the time of being worthy of respect

And whether you believe it or not the Clintons will long be held in contempt by many in our party.

[kikiek]

39. No they won't. You are part of a very small and uninformed minority.

[rodeodance]

50. Its folks like you who deserve no respect--nothing to add to any discussion except RW smears.

[rodeodance]

22. That part of her speech was thoughtful and beatiful--spoke to the people.

[CatsDogsBabies]

9. And most people are deciding that person is Obama

[rodeodance]

12. ABOUT 17 million say hillary is better so far.

[shadowknows69]

Um, and many more have voted Obama, she can't catch up

Next useless defense?

[rodeodance]

59. Obama outspent hillary in WV--He threw your $$ away.

[shadowknows69]

91. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha

[Occam Bandage]

21. Which is fewer than those who say Obama is better. Ah well.

[skipos]

10. Ok. Let me think a bit...

and I'll look at some numbers while I am at it.... (I know Hillary Inc hates that... sorry!)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

I think... Hillary is full of shit. What a surprise! She is usually so honest!

[jsmirman]

11. Ah, yes. Somber. Portentous, even.

You never fail to deliver the same tired old blech.

[rodeodance]

18. "You never fail to deliver the same tired old blech"--have a good night.

[earthside]

16. Increasingly Pathetic

The number don't add up.

So, all that is left is a plaintive plea: "I'm better! Pick me!"

It is actually getting rather sad to watch her go through this increasingly pathetic charade.

Her friends and supporters are doing her no favors by egging her on.

Sad ... just sad.

[rodeodance]

25. she spoke of her deep conviction of who can best win the GE.

[jsmirman]

27. GET REAL. She spoke of her deep conviction that she and only she is entitled to defy math

and any standards of decency and appropriate conduct.

She spoke with greed, power lust, and disrespect for and disregard for the party she asks to elevate her as the nominee.

Do you really believe the stuff you post? You must, and that is distressing.

[Jamastiene]

67. Perhaps you are not adult enough to handle politics if you are that distressed

by what someone else says.

[jsmirman]

71. If being "frustrated" on occasion by shallow nonsense makes one not adult enough

to handle politics, I suspect we would have very few participants in the process. Frustrated- not distressed. And certainly not encumbered. So... sorry.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

19. I say.... let 'em arm wrestle and settle it outright. n/t

[charlie]

23. Telling the delegates to think hard, eh?

Her reverse mojo has already cost her a delegate. Keep yammerin' Hil, we appreciate it.

[rodeodance]

52. She asked politely, No demands. And she laid out her case for electability in the GE.

[NJmaverick]

24. OK- Did that, thought hard

GO OBAMA!!! LEAD US TO VICTORY!

[rodeodance]

26. I doubt you ever think hard.

[NJmaverick]

29. LOL! You doubt many realities, that's why you support the sniper lady

[rodeodance]

34. Mature folks would accept her apology. You are not mature, but vindictive and rude.

[DS1]

66. what was it you were saying about personal attacks just a few minutes ago?

:rofl:

[TheZug]

28. "If something were to happen," I could still be your nominee--HINT, HINT

[rodeodance]

32. Clinton Wins Big in West Virginia Primary, Solidly Defeating Sen. Barack Obama

Clinton Wins Big in West Virginia Primary, Solidly Defeating Sen. Barack Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4846784&page=1

[Dr Fate]

35. She ought to run for Senate there sometime. n/t

n/t

[rodeodance]

36. what an ignorant post.

[Dr Fate]

44. Or maybe Obama could appoint her as "Secretary of the Working Class?"

Okay- *now* I'm being ignorant.

;)

[rodeodance]

57. Obama has started to pander to the blue collar workers.

[Dr Fate]

87. Good. I like it when politicians pander to me. n/t

n/t

[jsmirman]

37. Now that is a GREAT idea. Speaking as a New Yorker, many of us are beyond tired of her

she loves West Virginians so much? Why doesn't she move there on her carpet bagging tour of places she can piggyback off of for her own benefit?

[rodeodance]

77. too bad.

[rodeodance]

38. Her win " fuel her argument that Obama isn't a viable general election candidate."

However, Clinton's victory in West Virginia may fuel her argument that Obama isn't a viable general election candidate. The Mountain State has many of the white, Southern, rural, older, low-income and low-education voters who have flocked to Clinton's presidential candidacy in previous contests.

In a troubling sign for Obama, barely half of lower-income, low-education voters in the state said they'd vote for him in November if he's the party's nominee, according to preliminary exit poll results..

Perhaps suggesting an economic voting divide, Clinton voters were more likely than Obama supporters to say the economy was hurting their families a lot.

[JohnnyLib2]

40. Calm, competent, capable.

As usual.

K & R

[jsmirman]

41. More like cuckoo for cocoa puffs ca-razy. That's delusional Hillarity.

nm

[rodeodance]

53. ah, another low-information school-yard bully visits this thread!!

[jsmirman]

73. rodeo, I post so much more substantial content in every five posts I make than

you have provided in many 1000 plus one note, no content, shallow Hillary touting posts.

I make logical arguments. You make meaningless statements. You can call me a bully, I just believe in accountability.

[rodeodance]

74. I am not impressed. bye

[rodeodance]

60. yes, she was. And she looked wonderful.

[symbolman]

83. She was ORANGE

are most of you people Color Blind? Don't know Botox when you see it?

That woman is a Farce, a huckster, a clown, there are any Number of bright intelligent Honest women out there who Should be running for Prez instead of this Phony..

I just hope you don't hurt yourself when the Reality sets in.. You are Obsessed, more than most.. See a doctor if you get too depressed, seriously..

[rodeodance]

95. I don't advice for posters who name call and act like school -yard bullies

[jillan]

42. Lots of questions to be asked of Obama.

Why can't he win blue collar workers??
Why can't he win in swing states??

[ima_sinnic]

46. yeah, frillary, I'm thinking reeeal hard about the one with more than 55% disapproval

-- and that 55% was BEFORE you started all your repuke-like trash-talk, so it's probably more like 60% at the very LEAST now. not to mention the one who is bankrupt, whose own pledged delegates are unpledging themselves.

so you were saying, about the GE?? the one who can't even win among her own party's voters?? :rofl:

unfortunately for the "Katherine Harris" of the Democratic Party, GE voters are not all low-education barely literati who vote against their own best interests. So she caught a break in a little pocket of the southeast. Big fuckin ding-dong.

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[JoFerret]

68. She gave a great stump speech tonight

I don't watch a deal of TV but did catch part of her speech tonight. Great stump speech. She's a learner - that's for sure.

[jsmirman]

79. You know why I'm frustrated by this? NINE people recommended this post.

Are we that partisan and shallow that we would recommend a post that has virtually no content, is nearly illiterate and represents nothing more than the briefest and simplest recap of what Hillary said just minutes before the post was made?

This is insanity. I would never recommend a similar post by an Obama supporter.

[Hatchling]

85. Ha! 13 recs must frustrate you even more.

Not to mention that you yourself kicked the thread way over a dozen times.

Insanity you say? Hmm.

[jsmirman]

97. Nah, that it even gets one is ridiculous.

9, 13 what's the difference.

It shows that there are people who are so partisan as to celebrate inanity.

And rodeo, your little tagging game may seem cute to you, but I can assure you *that* does not frustrate me. You're just a contentless poster, a hide behind the rules but don't play by them type, and someone who undoubtedly likes bright, shiny objects. It is our misfortune that the shiny object you remain obsessed with is a computer.

[rodeodance]

89. It does not take much to frustrate you. Too bad

[eridani]

86. The Tuzla liar up against an ex-POW?

If "experience" and "toughness" are the most important qualities in a president, as she has said they are, then McCain creams her in both categories.

[Maribelle]

92. The 'I'm not against all wars' plagiarizer against an ex-POW?

The basher of 'anti-Vietnam protesters' against a POW of that war?

The 'I know' specifier that cannot explain how 'he knew' against an ex-POW?

It would not be pretty.

[eridani]

96. You mean the one who is NOT carrying around an IWR vote like a radioactive sore?

Clinton has done nothing but agree with McCain. Obama has substituted the "good judgment" frame for the "toughness" frame. That wins--Repuke framing loses.

[Maribelle]

93. Hillary is clrealy the strongest candidate. Obama grew tired long ago.