Would You Vote For a Democratic Ticket with a Republican V.P.?

[RainDog]

this question continues to come up here and I, frankly, do not understand why. I just wonder how many of you would consider voting for a one-party ticket. (Yes, I have framed this as a one-party ticket because... what is it otherwise? Who is represented by such a ticket?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Not just no, but hell, no.

Never. No way. Not on a bet. :puke:

[RainDog]

8. hi there

btw, did you ever see that you were on the cover of a Rolling Stones cd? It was "Some DU girls."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. ROFL!

[RainDog]

18. should I sent you a copy via pm?

it was actually really, really roughly done, but I hoped it was the thought that counted.

[11 Bravo]

88. Shit, it turns out I already did ... in 2000.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. it depends. If it was Chuck Hagel, yes. If it was Inhofe, no.

[Seen the light]

5. Hagel is extremely anti-choice

He's not as great people make him out to be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. He's Also A Homophobe

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)


http://quiz.ontheissues.org/Senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm

If I want a homophobe a heart beat away from the presidency I'll advocate for Fred Phelps

[RainDog]

9. Why is Hagel considered okay?

[Yael]

13. His position on Iraq

Wasn't very popular with his party...

[RainDog]

17. so he held the same position on Iraq as Ron Paul

but he is absolutely retrograde on every woman's issue. that makes him okay?

[Hoof Hearted]

37. Hagel is an UBER conservative. Cold forged steel conservative. No decent Democrat would vote for him

So why would you?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. So you are saying I am not a decent democrat? that's bullshit.

The choice is Obama ! If he felt that he needed a moderate Repuke - to heal the
country - I'd be behind him 100%

So - if he picked Hagel - who the hell would you vote for ? McCain??

He's not going to do it anyway - so it's stupid to argue about it.

[RainDog]

49. don't get sidetracked by an insult. if not Obama, would you still feel the same?

Is your willingness to entertain this idea only feasible if Obama is the prez candidate? No matter who Obama chose, you'd vote for him?

the other choice isn't just McCain, btw. the other choice is a more progressive party, like the greens.

[Hoof Hearted]

67. It is stupid, but so is your notion that Hagel is a "moderate," HE"S NOT.

I would never vote for Hillary if she picked Hagel as a VP. No Democrat running with a registered and/or loyal Republican gets my vote - EVAH.

[Upton]

3. It's still a two party ticket

made up of two individuals representing two different parties. It only becomes a one party ticket if both those individuals are of the same party. Anyway, I just like Democrats.

[RainDog]

6. no. one party refers to options available. if no republican ran at all, one party would be on the ba

these are very, very different things.

[RainDog]

4. For those who reply that they would- can you tell those of us who would not why?

[swishyfeet]

7. Gotta be better than McSame! nt

[RainDog]

11. you wouldn't object that you weren't given a choice b/t two parties?

[swishyfeet]

29. I wouldn't be happy, no.

Just saying I'd go D/r before R/r

[Yael]

10. I would rather see Hagle than Clinton

At least he is upfront about his beliefs.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. So as long as he's up front

it's OK if he's a right-wing reactionary? That's absurd.

[griffi94]

19. the clintons get nothing

NOTHING I SAY lol

[JerseygirlCT]

22. So a heartbeat from the presidency, you have a virulent

homophobe and misogynist, and that's ok by you?

[Yael]

25. Cheney is a heartbeat away from the presidency now

And no, it isn't ok with me.

I was stating that I will take an honest Republican (as there are like 3 of them total) over a lying Democrat.

[RainDog]

30. so you're saying legislation that promotes democratic values doesn't matter.

you honestly think that Hagel would be better for women than Clinton? fwiw - I don't want Clinton as v.p. but I find it astonishing that so many here would consider putting a republican on a democratic ticket.

if someone wants to run as an independent, that's something else entirely.

but a republican v.p., to me, takes away my hope for progressive legislation and is a slap in the face.

[Yael]

38. I don't recall the VP passing legislation

Can you help me out with that one?

(Ps -- and we will not need the voice in the senate -- I believe we will have 59-61)

Besides, it was a swipe at the lying candidate, not my preference.

I am hoping for Richardson.

[RainDog]

50. So, Cheney and Bush had nothing to do with repubican legislation?

Do you really think a president and vp have no bearing on a party's leadership? If a Republican had been part of a legislature that was the most regressive in modern history - that wouldn't matter?

[JerseygirlCT]

41. Yes, I agree. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Honestly homophobic and misogynistic

Well, not ok by me. You don't get points for honesty when your positions are revolting.

[Inuca]

78. Hagel is not a virulent anything

he is rational, smart, and holds quite a few positions I disagree with, together with some others I agree with. But those who portray him as a wacko have no idea what they are talking about.

[JerseygirlCT]

85. Just a taste of his record for you:

Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)


Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Rated 36% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)

Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted NO on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted YES on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Voted NO on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006)

Rated 0% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)

Voted NO on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)

Voted NO on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility. (Nov 2007)
Voted NO on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Rated 12% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)

Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)

90% conservative voting record; 95% support of Pres. Bush. (Dec 2006)
Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Rated 0% by the AU, indicating opposition to church-state separation. (Dec 2006)

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Based on the above, I think "wacko" might be too nice a word for it.

[DemVet]

90. Hatred has clouded your judgement...rethink your position.

[Lady-Damai]

12. I would! Why not?!

I'm all for something different.

[RainDog]

15. So policies don't matter to you?

Legislation doesn't matter to you? What's the something different, anyway?

The advertising? "new coke!" why? honestly. I don't get it.

[JuniperLea]

23. Perhaps to garner bi-partisan support?

Rarely does a president and their VP get along anyway. And despite what we've seen in the Bush Regime, the VP isn't all that involved with policy.

[RainDog]

26. since the republican party has something like an 80% disapproval rate

is "bi-partisan" support an issue?

and if the prez died in office... you would have elected a republican for the democratic party ticket.

this is okay by you?

[JuniperLea]

83. Since when has the GOP's approval rating had anything to do with their power?

They are in power whether you want to admit it or not.

[Lady-Damai]

28. Bipartisanship would be good.

Yes, policies do matter to me. Democratics don't know all the answers and not all Republicans think the same. I'm on the path for change.

[RainDog]

31. what do republicans offer as viable solutions?

[JerseygirlCT]

20. Oh man, it would be extraordinarily hard to vote for

a ticket with Hagel on it. I really don't know if I could do it.

Not that McCain is any better.

I certainly hope our nominee will not put us in such an untenable position.

[Boz]

21. But only specific ones, Chuck Hagel and George Voinovich

Because both transcend party when they look for their decision making.

It is the American people they represent not just the Republican people.

[RainDog]

24. Hagel does not represent females

his voting record is perfect for the religious right on social issues. that's not a problem?

[BlooInBloo]

27. Well - I guess that's one way to win the DU Stupidest Idea For VP Sweepstakes...

Congratulations.

[RainDog]

53. did you read my OP? I am opposed to this

others bring this up as a way to create a "unity" ticket.

I will not vote for a ticket with a republican on it. I hope those who keep floating this idea realize that it's not unity if a huge chunk of the democratic base chooses to vote green in protest.

I support Obama. But I don't care who it is, if they put a republican, or even a Zell democrat or a Lieberman independent on a ticket, I will not vote for it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. No. My nose takes more than enough abuse voting for "moderate" Democrats.

[greenbriar]

33. I will NEVER EVER again EVER vote for any repuke not even for dog catcher

this last 8 years have soured me on anything remotely repuklican

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Party like it's oh 1783

that was the way it was originally

The President was the winner, and the VEEP was the one who came second.

It sands to reason that would be the Republican candidate assuming the Dem won

It MIGHT be good to stop some of the worst bickering and might lead to less radical candidates

[frog92969]

35. In other words...

guarantee assasination?

[Warren DeMontague]

36. No.

That is not a "Democratic Ticket", if you ask me.

[LucyParsons]

39. That'll never happen.

Both sides have too much to lose in giving up the charade that they are diametrically opposed to each other.

[hendo]

42. and as you point out, it is largely a charade

HRC is more of a Reaganite than McCain.

As far as the question at hand, a unity ticket would be great for American politics.

[RainDog]

52. Is this a charade?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x358958

congressional Republicans have been systematically, resolutely, and consistently committed to obstruction, not change. It was a clear strategy. No minority ever gets blamed if nothing gets done. After Democrats took over the majority of both Houses in 2006, Republicans set out to obstruct everything they could. Then they would run against a do-nothing Congress, accusing the Democrats of breaking their promises. Sort of like knee-capping the postman and then complaining about the mail being late.

They went about this with Tom DeLay-like discipline. The Senate minority set a new record for filibusters before the first session was over. The president issued a record number of veto threats. House Republicans perfected procedural tricks that would put sand in the gears. As last as last week, they switched their votes on a resolution celebrating mothers on Mother's Day simply to obstruct business on the Senate.

They blocked the resolution to set a date to get the troops out of Iraq. They blocked extending health care to children. They blocked allowing Medicare to negotiate lower prices on prescription drugs. They blocked overturning subsidies to big oil and investing them in alternative energy.

But despite their success in gumming up the works, the strategy hasn't been working out too well for them. Congress has grown less popular, but increasing majorities think the solution is to throw out Republicans, not Democrats.

Did you ever read this article in Rolling Stone about the worst Congress ever? - the republican one that used to hide from Democrats so that they could have no part in the legislative process? Dean is the same as Hagel? Richardson is the same as Inhofe?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12055360/cover_story_time_to_go_inside_the_worst_congress_ever

[Lilith Velkor]

43. Hell fucking no

:nuke:

[Bluenorthwest]

45. A choice of one Republican or two Republcans?

I do not vote for Republicans. Ever.

The Republican Party has been one giant extention of GW Bush for 8 years now. Voting in lockstep, negligent in oversight duties, worthy of nothing but contempt. There is not one among that Party that could be said to have opposed this administration in anymore than one issue, like Chuckie and the war vote. Ohhhh that Hagel, he was always just about to say something, just about to do something, talking a line and then towing the Bush line.

Remember who the Republicans are and what they have done.

[thoughtcrime1984]

46. NO, I do not want Hillary on ticket! nt

[depakid]

47. I don't vote for Republicans period

never have, never will.

[rateyes]

48. Maybe a Lincoln Chafee. nt

[kevinbgoode]

51. I'm afraid I already have. . .Lieberman was on a ticket, wasn't he?

eom/

[RainDog]

55. exactly. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with him on it either. I learned my lesson.

[stevenleser]

75. Damn, you beat me to it. Exactly what I was going to say. We all here have already done it

[Swamp Rat]

54. LieberPutz will be McNut's VP

;)

[RainDog]

56. may both of their shriveled nutsacks fall off from atrophy

Lieberman is scum to me.

[WeDidIt]

57. Third PArty time under those conditions

I don't care who tops the ticket.

[RainDog]

60. I think such a move would doom the democratic nominee

the base would not vote for a democrat who put a republican on the ticket. I know I wouldn't.

[SoxFan]

58. Most likely yes

Remember, if a Republican made his way onto the ticket, it would be someone like Bill Cohen, Chuck Hagel, or, were he younger, Warren Rudman. You aren't going to see straitjacket bait like Ron Paul or James Inhofe, folks.

[Gore1FL]

59. I won;t ever have to make such a choice.

[RainDog]

63. Why do you think ppl continue to bring it up here?

I created a poll b/c I just wondered if this was the sentiment of a few or not. seems that quite a lot of ppl here would. I wonder if they say they would only b/c they think I'm talking about Obama?

[Gore1FL]

69. I just don't ever see it happening

I thought McCain in 2004 was the most likely possibility, and yes, I would have voted Kerry/McCain. But I don't foresee the need or the possibility in the future. The U.S. is turning blue in a big way, and until it swings back, I simply don't see it happening.

[saltpoint]

61. Strongly prefer an all-blue ticket.

If Obama chooses Chafee or Snowe, they would be less objectionable to most other Republicans.

But we have such a talented field on our side, so I hope he stays with Democrats.

[RainDog]

65. I would consider it a betrayal of my vote and my values

and I find it astonishing that so many here don't seem to care if someone is ideologically opposed to everything democrats stand for.

[saltpoint]

71. From a political / strategic angle, I could see an Obama shortlist of

maybe Richardson, Clark, Sebelius, Daschle, Pelosi, and Kaine.

I'd like him to consider also Bill Bradley, Barbara Boxer, and Mario Cuomo.

Folks will say Cuomo's too long of tooth for the vice presidency. I don't see why. Were he to die in office, Obama of course could select a new vice president, but in the meanwhile, there would be the great benefit of his mature vision.

[Fox Mulder]

62. Absolutely not.

[graywarrior]

64. Only if was Gary Oldman.

[lastliberalintexas]

66. It would be an invitation for a presidential assassination

I would hope that smarter/cooler heads would prevail and such a ticket would not become a reality.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

68. Who cares, it aint gonna happen.

[Johnny__Motown]

70. I would but only because the alternative is letting 2 repugs win...

[Jamastiene]

72. Not just no, but hayull NO!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. Never!!! ...and it sickens me to see that 41 democrats on DU would

[RainDog]

74. maybe they're not? Chafee (R) says both R's AND DEMOCRATS are too far right now

While Chafee is supporting Barack Obama for president, he said on Tuesday that the Democrats as well as the Republicans have moved too far to the right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3280851

I feel like this is the first time in at least 40 years that Americans have the opportunity to have a govt that will respond to their needs.

A lot of ppl don't even know that, until Kennedy, there was no unemployment insurance. If you lost your job, no matter what, you were S.O.L. Kennedy noted that EVERY OTHER WESTERN DEMOCRACY had this.

We're at a point now in which we are far, far behind every other western democracy on a host of human rights issues.

The 80% disapproval rating for Republicans is a total repudiation of their policies since we are now living in the outcome of the Reagan and Gingrich revolutions. Vive la counter-revolution?

[Hepburn]

76. I could vote of a Dem Prez candidate and a Pubbie VP candidate if...

...the VP candidate was someone like Lincoln Chaffee who for most purposes is a pretty good guy.

JMHO

[goletian]

77. i think the better question is, would you vote for the dem loser if the repub nominee

took them in.

[Lisa0825]

79. HELL NO!

If something (God Forbid) happens to my President, there is no way in HELL I want a Republican taking the office!!!

It actually infuriates me when I see it proposed, and I am completely mystified by how many people are voting yes! This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, for goodness sakes! Why would you elect a REPUBLICAN!?!

[Mz Pip]

80. Depends on who it is.

I think there are a couple of moderate pro-choice Republicans still left. I voted yes, but the qualifications are that the person be pro-choice and anti-war.

[MaineDem]

82. Will not happen so I can't answer. n/t

[anonymous171]

84. The GOP would have WAY too much of an incentive to "get rid of" the president

[seaglass]

86. Kicking so more DUers can see how low we've sunk. n/t

[greguganus]

87. Yes, as long as the repub VP is not Hillary. n/t

[TheFarseer]

89. I would because one Democrat on the ticket

is better than no Democrats on the opposing ticket. Someone like Lincoln Chafee would be fine. Someone like Chuck Hagel or Ron Paul would really not represent Democratic values though. There are more issues than the Iraq war to consider.

[JCMach1]

91. HELL NO!