Clinton Campaign: Was it a Net Positive or Negative?

[rndmprsn]

what started off as inevitable...is now just a few moments away from being relegated to the ages, through thick and thin up and down...rough/gentle, etc...was it a net positive for exciting women, and young people and bringing in new people etc...or negative for the, well...negative campaigning etc.

The CLINTON campaign...for better or for worse...that is the question.

[EFerrari]

For whom?

:)

[rndmprsn]

2. for you...

[EFerrari]

5. That's tough because, I see it as a gain for women politicians

maybe a negative for the party. Lots of interests representing this year!

[msongs]

1. women should stay in the kitchen where they belong, right? nt

[Cant trust em]

6. oh man. I'm sure that the OPer did not mean that in any way. NT

[aquart]

14. Oh, "man"? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what was meant.

But I'm sure there is a woman good enough and pure enough to meet your standards for the presidency and you are actively involved in grooming her right now.

Soon, soon, you WILL have a woman candidate for president you can support. Surely, she is being born any minute.

[Cant trust em]

19. How did I get dragged into this?

Secondly, "oh man" is a pretty common expression of exasperation. I didn't invent it.

[peacebird]

7. How on earth did you twist this poll into THAT? Quite the contortionist you are...

:eyes:

Good grief.

I do not feel HRC has the qualities I want in a president. It has nothing to do with her gender.

I preferred Edwards, but of those left standing I choose Obama - and NOT because of his race.

[SoCalDem]

8. I doubt that many women spend much time in the kitchen anymore

what with most of them having at least ONE outside-the-home job..

Hillary really never RAN a "women's issues" campaign. She touted "experience" until it did not work, then she switched to racism..

Had she really run on women's issues, it could have been an interesting campaign.

The problem she had, was that she spent all her time in the senate trying to be tough and warrior-like, that she had only that and her husband's achievenments to run on.

She may have promoted women's issues once upon a time, but those issues are almost expected from a first lady of a state or of the US.
I think she tapped into the longing withing the female electorate..the longing for a woman president.. She tried to make them want her and only her, as if she could and would solve all their problems, but she couldn't, didn't and won't.

She concentrated on the fight fight fight..shame on you..meet me in ohio (or wherever)....all harshness and vitriol..

Someday there WILL be a female candidate who will be a real challenger, and who will win. They will win because they will be able to strike a balance that meets the needs of ALL people..male or female.

[splat]

11. It's not about them, it's about us

She may have promoted women's issues once upon a time, but those issues are almost expected from a first lady of a state or of the US.
I think she tapped into the longing withing the female electorate..the longing for a woman president.. She tried to make them want her and only her, as if she could and would solve all their problems, but she couldn't, didn't and won't.

This sounds erotic. Her and only her? Like the Queen of the Silver Dollar?


Women's issues are equal access to economic and social happiness. What we have in common is the natural basis of society, and the person who can best use the power of the presidency on behalf of the people deserves to lead.

Hillary not only champions those issues, as a witness to another presidency she has a leg up on actually do something about them.

[SoCalDem]

13. and Obama has a wife and daughters..

MOST congress people and senators have female family menbers too.. I don't think that ONLY a woman can make the changes we need.

What has to happen FIRST is to get all those old farts OUT of congress.. the ones who value MONEY more than anything else..

THEY are the ones who repeatedly vote against anything that might end up costing a little..

While I think we are past-due for a woman president, I also think that a man..the right man could/and will make some positive changes for us all women..and men..

A BIG part of why we don;t have laws we need, is the intrustion of RELIGION into politics.. the sooner we do away with that, the better we all will be..and the fairer our laws will be.

[aquart]

15. Yes, the 'right man' wins over any woman.

Is there the smallest chance that you imagine some female American as the "right woman"?

[SoCalDem]

17. Actually I can think of several

some are serving now as governors..and unfortunately the ones in congress who have built a lifetime's worth of experience are a little old to run, but they are there, and as more younger women move into the house & senate, it gets more likely.

Women got a late start, and it will take time..it's unfortunate, but it's true.

the top job in the country (world?) comes with some high demands of its applicants..(barring the Bush debacle)

[splat]

21. 'Women got a late start'? We've been here since the beginning!

This is the sound of the glass ceiling breaking, the one imposed by men.

[SoCalDem]

22. Late start ,when it comes to financial & political power

:)..but you know what I meant :

[Cant trust em]

20. I'm going to save your post as a screenshot or something

The next time someone tries to tell me that people aren't using the "You don't support Clinton, so you're sexist" meme, I'm going to forward them your post.

To borrow a common phrase around here, you have jumped the shark.

[JuniperLea]

3. I'm very happy to have lived to see a woman run for prez

That in itself is a hell of a legacy, and I thank Hillary Clinton from the bottom of my heart!

[David Zephyr]

4. The Clintons introduced race-baiting back into the Democratic Party after 80 years.

That's the legacy of what Bill and Hillary did.

It is unforgivable.

It is shameful.

It is sickening.

[Bucky]

9. Net positive. But there's VAST room for improvement.

It ain't over by the way. The fun has gone out of it, but it still isn't over with.

[splat]

10. She's taking it to Denver -- the convention is The Show, the circus, the point

"is now just a few moments away from being relegated to the ages"

Don't count on it.

Folks, there's no better TV for Dems than a contested convention. People holler and parade and delegates get to be on national TV giving a promo for their states before announcing with great flourish how the great state of (your state) split their votes "for the next President of the United States."

It's reality TV on steroids, with real consequences in your life.

The real World Series.

It's campaigning to the undecideds at home.

Ted Kennedy took his campaign to the convention against in 1980 against Jimmy Carter

Wikipedia: 1980_Democratic_National_Convention

The 1980 convention was notable, as it was the last time in the 20th century that either major party that a candidate tried to get delegates released from their voting commitment. This was done by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., Carter's chief rival for the nomination in the Democratic primaries, who sought the votes of delegates held by Carter.

(Ooohhh)...

--- The delegate tally at the convention was in part

* Jimmy Carter – 2,129.02
* Ted Kennedy– 1,150.48
* Hugh Carey – 16
* William Proxmire – 10
* 14 others – 40.5

Save the date: August 25-28.

(Edited for link syntax)

[New Dawn]

12. It was positive for the super rich, but negative for the rest of us.

[aquart]

16. Maybe you should just speak for yourself.

Because you certainly do not speak for me.

[canadian_is_cold]

18. It was craptastic!

[GoldieAZ49]

23. The convention is in August, more than a 'few moments away'

and anything can happen between now and then

[Texasgal]

24. I'm not so sure that her win tonight means anything.

I am however happy for Hillary and her supporters, they pulled it out!