I thought we were going to let Senator Clinton end on a high note.

[EFerrari]

I congratulate Senator Clinton on her win tonight. Her run was very important for American women -- and for our sons and daughters. It took a lot of strength on her part and I appreciate the inroads she made for women who come after her.

It matters a lot to me that I disagree with her on many things. But this one thing I couldn't appreciate more. Hillary Clinton ran as the first viable woman candidate for the Presidency. That will be her legacy. And I'm moved that I got to see that in my lifetime.

My mother and I went to the National Portrait Gallery not long ago. We're both political nuts and history buffs and Rosie said, "Look at all those white men". And, she was right. You can't be a woman and walk around the National Portrait Gallery and not feel somewhat excluded. The portraits are magnificent, larger than life but they don't image women as leaders. To our great collective loss.

Hillary Clinton began the process of changing that exclusion this year. And for that, she deserves all the credit in the world.

Edit.

[Texas Hill Country]

1. thank you, and i agree with you entirely.

[burythehatchet]

2. and as a woman in that position, she could have made the process richer,

more meaningful, and a door-opener for many other women.

[EFerrari]

6. That is probably true. But it would be dishonest not to recognize

that she has pushed through a barrier.

[burythehatchet]

13. no doubt. Maybe my expectations were not realistic.

and btw as an Indian, having a woman head of state was not unusual for me.

[EFerrari]

15. LOL -- India is very far ahead of the US in that respect.

But, like the Little Engine that Could, we think we can, we think we can. :)

[yardwork]

3. So you no longer believe that Hillary Clinton is lynching people?

What a change of heart.

[EFerrari]

7. Not at all. Her personal choices aren't the same as the impact

her run will have on our culture.

[yardwork]

37. I could have sworn you agreed that her campaign was poison to our culture.

[EFerrari]

51. I am not talking about her campaign. I am talking about the fact

of her run.

Because it is possible to disagree with Hillary Clinton AND to appreciate the work she's done for future women candidates.

[Name removed]

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[EFerrari]

104. This thread is enriched by your positive input. Thanks.

[Aloha Spirit]

4. She began the process... and she touched a lot of people's lives along the way.

[monmouth]

5. Too bad she is such a flawed candidate to represent women. There

are plenty of very intelligent, non-manipulative women out there who will do women justice when the time comes. The time unfortunately, is not now...

[EFerrari]

9. It's a good thing we don't hold the same standard for male candidates

isn't it? lol :)

[Texas Hill Country]

17. sure... yeah, isnt that super... makes me proud

[Texas Hill Country]

16. if you dont think politics is not inherently manipulative, you are naive

[JuniperLea]

25. That's pretty harsh

And unfair, I might add.

Hillary is highly intelligent; I know for a fact that her IQ is above genius level.

Hillary had to be manipulative to get by in a man's world -- no, a REPUBLICAN man's world. Hopefully, the next woman to run for president won't have to be, but I'll not be taking bets on that. There is still a lot of work to do before women are fully accepted in politics. Hillary was accepted. We owe her a debt if for no other reason than that.

I think she did women more than justice. There are no guidelines... Hillary had to write the book from scratch. I didn't vote for her, didn't support her, didn't really care for her as a candidate. But I appreciate what she did for me, and for all other women.

I will always appreciate what she has done.

[EFerrari]

40. Completely unchartered territory.

Exactly.

No matter how much I strongly disagree with her choices, she did that.

[JuniperLea]

43. She's a trail blazer...

With no map and no compass. My hat is off to her.

This was a great thread idea! Thanks for this. This is about women in history, and I think Hillary's name will be well received by historians.

[Raejeanowl]

29. I Feel The Same Way About Obama On That "Ism" Issue

For me, he's not the AA one. I've known better. I wish people would respect that opinion as not being an "ism" but a personal evaluation, even if they don't agree.

[Texas Hill Country]

71. i agree with this too. I fully support an AA for prez, but I am not gonna support one only because

of the color of his skin.

[cali]

8. What a great post. I'd like to join you in the sentiments expressed

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Very nice

thank you.

I wish more people appreciated how historic this is.

[shaniqua6392]

11. Hopefully she will have paved the way for women

to run for high office in the future. I get tired of the squishy white guys who have been at the helm for so long. Look at what a good job they have done so far. They have left a path of death, destruction and debt. This is an election that has changed the face of politics thanks to Clinton and Obama.

[EFerrari]

12. Yes. This year will be one of those years where change, positive change

happens.

We were there. :)

[NJmaverick]

14. Shame she threw all that out with her, vote for me because I am white pleas

[Texas Hill Country]

18. spelin a problum?

[NJmaverick]

21. you the spelling police? Can I see your badge?

[juajen]

65. No, I am and I don't need no stinking badge.

You flunked.

[NJmaverick]

91. did that make your day?

pathetic

[EFerrari]

20. I know that you know that I'm one of the most vocal opponents

here of those tactics.

And, giving credit where it is due never hurt anyone. Tonight, I congratulate Hillary Clinton for her accomplishment in this race. For what she won for herself from the Old Boys' Club and for paving the way for other women.

Can you deal with that? :)

[NJmaverick]

26. I have a problem that she had to make her accomplishment, while blantantly trying to undermine

another person's accomplishment. Sorry but I like to think that people are better than rats trying to get out of a bucket. You know where they keep pulling each other back in, rather than try to help each other out. Both Clintons have completely destroyed their reputations with me, and what ever little bit of good they might have accomplished, was easily out weighed by all the bad.

[EFerrari]

31. For me, they are two separate issues.

Search my posts that agree with you on the one you bring up.

But, no matter what, from now on, it will be possible for women to run for national office. And that's tremendous, imo.

[JuniperLea]

46. So, you wanted her to blaze a trail...

With no map, no compass, and none of the regular political deals? Hmmm... Sorry, Wonder Woman never ran for POTUS. Hillary did. And as a woman, I'm proud of her.

[EFerrari]

57. I don't think most people get that I'm talking about women

and not about the Clinton campaign strategery.

Oh well.

lol

[JuniperLea]

67. They just can't seem to let it go!

If Obama is the sure deal, what's the point in the continued floggings?

It's beginning to get more than a little perverse!

I'll be looking forward to seeing Hillary mentioned in the history books when my grand kids learn about her in school(soon as I have some, and soon as they are old enough for American history).

[EFerrari]

70. It's all right.

This is a very important year in so many ways. We got to be there. :)

[NJmaverick]

94. Sorry but it's not like Hillary or Bill have apologized for any and all the horrible things they

have done. If and when they ever do, then we can talk about letting it go.

[EFerrari]

97. There is no need to forgive their individual choices

in order to understand that Hillary has in fact blazed a trail.

Those are two different realms, maybe exclusive realms.

[NJmaverick]

99. I see it as worse. Since she was the trail blazer, she owed it to all women

to do it right, in every sense of the word.

[EFerrari]

102. Well, that would be the ideal. In real human life, most of us

don't do that well. I share some of your disappointment but, it would be easy to just discount what she did. That would be easy, right?

It's much more important to mark the gains we make, no matter how imperfect, when we make them. It's more human, more real, imho.

[NJmaverick]

113. It doesn't even appear that she made an effort

I can forgive someone that tries and fails, but I can't forgive someone that doesn't even makes the effort.

[EFerrari]

114. Okay. I can't defend what I don't agree with very well.

But, I also can't help but see that more of us will benefit from this run.

[JuniperLea]

103. That's pretty childish

Doing the right thing is contingent upon someone else doing the right thing first?

:eyes:

I guess you'd miss the high road with a map, compass, and tour guide.

[NJmaverick]

112. How is over looking her wrong doing, the right thing?

You know I am far from perfect, but she sunk to depths I would never dream of going to.

[JuniperLea]

115. What is the point in bringing up these things you say are wrong?

The constant chewing and regurgitating of these "wrongs" is getting fucking sick. And more importantly, how is this helping Obama?

It's not... this alienates potential votes for Obama come November... if he gets the nom... which you seem very sure of... fine by me, but don't fuck him over by bashing potential voters! That's just dumb.

[NJmaverick]

116. This has nothing to do with Obama. I am very angry with the CLintons

after years of supporting and defending the both of them, I feel betrayed.

[JuniperLea]

122. So, you'd rather bash them in public...

Alienate their supporters, and help ruin the chances of a Democrat in the White House next term?

Yeah, that will fix them.

[NJmaverick]

123. I am quite up front with my feelings. I am not sneaky, nor am I a back stabber

people know where they stand with me. So I am not about to hold back, when it comes to the Clintons. I will say how I feel and what's on my mind.

[JuniperLea]

126. Sorry, but I find that very childish too...

It takes a much bigger person to hold back in the name of better communication, and in this instance, a more hopeful tomorrow.

[EFerrari]

117. It's not a matter of overlooking wrongs so much.

I've posted an encyclopedia on that topic.

It's more a matter of recognizing that women will be more integrated in national politics after this run. One situation doesn't null the other one.

[NJmaverick]

120. I am happy for that to happen, although I do believe if Hillary had conducted herself

with more grace, dignity and honor it would have been better for all that come after her.

[EFerrari]

124. We probably agree on that. For now, I'm counting our gains

as they are.

[NJmaverick]

92. Sorry but basic guidelines for moral and ethical decency have existed for hundreds of years

she had plenty of tools to guide her, she decided it was better to only focus on the prize. It's not just what you do, but how you do it, that matters.

[EFerrari]

96. That's very true. But sometimes what you do as an individual

has consequences beyond your control. That is what is happening here and in a good way for women running for national office.

[JuniperLea]

105. So, because she did wrong...

You are obliged somehow to do wrong too?

I'm glad my kids got over this nonsense in their elementary school years... jesus mary and joseph on a cheese cracker! Ugh

[NJmaverick]

110. I am not obliged to do wrong, nor am I obliged to over look her wrong doing

[JuniperLea]

119. You should start working for Obama then...

By shutting the fuck up and not dissing someone who will no doubt be his most staunch supporter after the convention... that would be Hillary... and the remaining Hillary supporters who didn't feel completely fucked over by the Obama supporters.

This does Obama no good at all. None. In fact, it hurts him... horribly. The margin of voters alienated by this bullshit could very well be the margin we needed to keep the GOP from stealing yet another election.

Every vote is sacred right now.

[NJmaverick]

121. You don't get it, this isn't about Obama. It's all about the Clintons

for years I have faught to defend them and support them on various political message boards. Now I feel betrayed by the two of them. That makes me feel pretty angry and very bitter. I think about all the grief and aggrevation I went through on their behalf, only for them to turn around and act like they did.

[JuniperLea]

125. I understand that

But handing the ability to steal another election over to the GOP is not going to hurt the Clintons at all... it's going to hurt you... and me... and everyone else here.

It's time to heal. I know you feel burned. I don't... maybe I'm older and maybe I've watched Hillary take the standard political twists and turns here... she tried to run her campaign old school, but that school is being closed down.

I'm just happy to see Hillary blaze the trail for other women... women who will no doubt learn from these mistakes! Better Hillary made a bunch than to leave it for the next woman to learn on her own, I say!

The next woman will be much wiser... thanks to Hillary.

[Swamp Rat]

128. Have a lemon

:D

[AtomicKitten]

19. If she actually ends this on a high note, I will applaud her.

Til then, Barack better not turn his back or she'll shiv him for sure.

[EFerrari]

23. We're not impotent actors in this drama --

or, that's what Julia Kristeva tried to sell me. lol

:)

[Lilith Velkor]

98. Here's your Oscar

Excellent thread. :thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

107. That's MY OSCAR!

LOL

:woohoo:

[newmajority]

22. It was up to Hillary to end it on a High Note, and she refused to do so

Instead, she and her supporters made it all about Only Hillary Can Win A White State Where They Elect A Klansman To The Senate And They Won't Vote For The "Colored Boy" In The General Election.

And the fact that Hillary is willing to let that be her last statement in this campaign, is simply disgusting.

[EFerrari]

28. That is a part of this season. But it's not the only part.

And we'd be making a mistake not to take what we can from this contest.

The next time a woman runs for President, everything will have changed. That's no small thing.

[newmajority]

83. The next woman who runs will be the true test.

It's not by any means "sexist" to say that Hillary had a great number of advantages going into this contest, simply because her last name was "Clinton".

I'm hoping I'll be able to be a little more enthusiastic about the next one. Possibly in 2016? Not even going to guess at any names, because 8 years is an eternity in politics. (Nobody had heard of Barack Obama in 2000, or Bill Clinton in 1984)

[EFerrari]

85. Each time seems like the "true test", doesn't it?

lol

We have a lot to be proud of this year. Let's enjoy that while we work hard. :)

[VeraAgnes]

24. Hillary will take this to the Convention.

She will let the GOP vet-out Obama, he will be seen as "spoiled goods" by August 25th........

It is far, far, far from over is the way I see it.

I'm just the messenger.

[EFerrari]

33. But my OP isn't about this contest. It is about a woman being viable

in any contest.

[VeraAgnes]

41. I see.........

yes, Hillary Clinton has torn down WALLS! :bounce:

[gcomeau]

27. To reach the high note...

...she has to take the high road.

Her call.

[MindMatter]

60. And to end on that high note she has to ... END

Her ending, by definition, *IS* a high note.

[dailykoff]

30. Sorry, that train left the station two months ago.

Now it's just a question of how low she'll sink, and all bets are off.

[EFerrari]

35. Then you've misread the OP. n/t

[dailykoff]

44. I read you loud and clear.

You're congratulating a spoiler for making it harder for Obama to win and govern effectively. I am not of the opinion that such destructive behavior should be tolerated let alone rewarded.

[EFerrari]

48. No. I'm congratulating a member of a marginalized minority

for having the ovarian fortitude to make a historic run.

You are talking about something else, and as much as I usually agree with you, you've misread my OP. That's all right. :)

[dailykoff]

52. You have got to be kidding.

I mean seriously, to be spouting delusional crap about Hillary's victimization at this late date is seriously offensive, so I'm out of this thread, bye.

[EFerrari]

55. I've not "spouted delusional crap about Hillary's victimization" in any way.

lol

[JuniperLea]

78. Amazing what people can read that isn't there...

This was a wonderful thread, sfexpat2000! You've managed to prove many points about human behaviors in the process of doing something really nice for women.

You are getting my Peabody Award today!

[EFerrari]

81. Cool! 'Cause I'm all out of Peabodys.

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

82. Heh!

Glad you like it:)

[JuniperLea]

74. No, you have to be kidding!

This has been explained to you over and over again and you still miss every point.

Jesus.

No! Women are marginalized! Say they aren't and we can meet behind the woodshed for your official ass whoopin.

Your ignorance and inability to read for comprehension is getting old.

[JuniperLea]

73. Ovarian Fortitude!

Love it!

[wiggs]

32. She helped elevate my two daughters in the world. My daughters

support Obama, but I'll agree that Clinton did break some ground. My thanks for that.

[jazzjunkysue]

34. Maybe a B or B flat?

[EFerrari]

36. Which one needs me to be left handed?

lol

:spank:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. she had a very bad campaign team

and very bad gaffes in this campaign

[EFerrari]

47. Her team didn't serve her well, I agree. n/t

[Raven]

39. You know, this is going to sound strange but Obama behaved more like

the woman I had hoped Hillary would be in this campaign than Hillary did. He seemed less hateful, divisive, edgy, more composed, more thoughtful...I had hoped she would be the one who was less like an attack dog. I'm not sure I like the legacy she left as the first really viable candidate. BTW, I'm female and her age and her education.

[EFerrari]

45. It doesn't sound strange to me and I agree.

On the other hand, he was already male and perhaps needed a little less to prove his machoness.

The real differences that we have with her choices seem valid to me but what will matter in terms of broad strokes in years to come is that she made the run. It's possible that many posters here don't get how profound a challenge this was to the Old Boys Club. But, maybe, that's a good thing, too -- if that kind of thinking is off of their radar.

[Raven]

56. I don't know, she might have hurt the cause more than helped it.

I really don't know. Maybe the lesson here is that you don't have to act like the boys to best them. I think you may be right in many aspects and I guess time will tell. Also, what she does after this will be very important for women's future in politics...we'll see. I certainly wish her some rest and peace and a new beginning. This must be just crushing.

[EFerrari]

59. I have my own thoughts about Clinton re the women's movement

but, imho, there is no question that she did some serious damage to barriers we've faced in the past.

[grantcart]

42. exactly right and saved me a thread too lol

couldn't have said it better just let them have tonight - it is the last one they will get

[DemExpat]

49. A fantastic achievement!

I am so proud of her strength and tenacity!

:thumbsup:

edit: And for Obama and Hillary being the toprunners for the Dem Party - a true and memorable milestone! :kick:

DemEx

[EFerrari]

53. Yes, it has been!

:toast:

[BlueManDude]

50. What evidence do you have they she'll end on a high note? I expect the gutter tonight from

Lanny, Howard, Terry as well as her new best friends Pat Buchanan and Bill Bennett.

[EFerrari]

54. You make your own adventure, BlueManDude.

:)

[Shine]

58. A toast to Hillary!

:toast:

I share your sentiments exactly.

[EFerrari]

62. Good, I may need a couch tonight. lol

To an important break through. :toast:

[RiverStone]

61. If she withdraws graciously after tonight, a high note it shall be!

And much of what you say about her will hold true as her legacy.

If she chooses to go negative or try and drag this to the convention, people will have different memories.

I hope the former is true.

peace~:)

[EFerrari]

64. We live in exciting times, RiverStone.

:)

[L0oniX]

63. I'm not so sure she can even sing that high.

[EFerrari]

68. Then you are denying yourself a note of comfort,

a take-a-way from this season.

I have rarely agreed with what she's done but I appreciate so much that she was willing to put herself out there.

[Meshuga]

66. ...

:toast:

[EFerrari]

69. Back at you, sir.

:toast:

[RichardRay]

72. My idea sank like a stone (but I'm used to that :-),

I wanted the Obama Campaign to ask all supporters to vote for Senator Clinton in WV - I wanted a 100 to 0 result, a hearty round of applause, several stiff drinks and forward into the GE.

My fellow Obama supporters didn't see it that way, but I thought it was a good idea.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

75. I'm sure your idea got a lot more attention than was posted.

That's the way of discussion groups.

:)

[Zhade]

76. Too bad she did such a bad job representing women by being a total proven liar.

NT!

[EFerrari]

79. The mistakes she made accrue to her and that's right.

But, the fight she mounted will empower other women. And that's a fact, Jack -- um -- Zhade. :hug:

[BlooInBloo]

77. I'd rather her legacy be: the last Democrat to run a race-baiting campaign.

[EFerrari]

80. You know where I stand. Can we separate the dancer from the dance

for a moment? Because there will be a benefit for women who mount challenges to a degree.

I have no problem calling out discrimination. But, I would be dishonest not to appreciate, by the very same token, gains made on behalf of women dealing with inhabiting public life.

/ack

[BlooInBloo]

84. Except it's a freeform dance, whose moves are decided on by the dancer...

It *would* be nice if her legacy could be as you've stated. But the nature of her campaign is as inextricably bound up with *how* she ran it as it is with *who* ran it.

[EFerrari]

86. It's only bound that way if you focus on the personality

and not the effort.

But, you already know what I mean and now you're just :spank: me.

And the step Clinton took, no matter what I think of how it was done, was a historic one. It will outlive her or her intentions or preferences. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. :)

[BlooInBloo]

88. Fair enough that that aspect of her campaign shouldn't be completely lost in the ignoble nature...

... of her campaign strategy. Point taken.

EDIT: And spanking isn't my thing. :P

[EFerrari]

89. LOL

:hug:

[BlooInBloo]

90. :))

[catalinacat]

100. race-baiting

Senator Clinton is race baiting? You and all the rest of your ilk are why we will not vote for barack,, not voting for McCain either - just sitting it out.

All of you have accused any non- barack supporter as racist from the first, and still do so.

Deny your accusing the West Virginians of that right now.

No racist pigs in NC? because racism does not exist among the black, yeah...right.
But the huge majority of West Virginians are white. The lower income white that Hillary carries, and the majority of the United States. Oh but according to you, they are all racist.
And you accuse Senator Clinton of playing the race card.

Your ugliness is why he'll lose, if he makes it. Happy now?:rofl:

[EFerrari]

101. Thank you for your considered contribution to this thread.

[helderheid]

87. Excellent, Excellent Post!

[EFerrari]

93. When the hell was the last time you related to this?

I mean, at some point, don't you want this?!











:rofl:

[seaglass]

106. Your words mean nothing. n/t

[EFerrari]

108. That's a really troubling statement coming from HopeLives. n/t

[Mz Pip]

109. Fine by me.

But I am also interested in how she handles tonight.

If she continues to be defiant A'll probably turn her off.

[EFerrari]

111. Understood. But what she has done in the long run

will outshine what she does tonight, imho.

Here's hoping this immediate situation is resolved soon.

[KAZ]

118. Great post! Happy to Rec!

[still_one]

127. It is on the shoulders of those women who actually sacrificed and suffered why

she is where she is today

lets hope people appreciate that when they vote in November

[EFerrari]

130. It would be a mistake to discount the challenges she faced

because of her gender. We do proceed on the bridge that others have built before us. That's very true.

Hillary Clinton, no matter if you're a devotee or a detractor, just gained us all some yardage.

Credit where it is due. No matter who you support, a breakthrough for women in political life is a gain for all of us.

[still_one]

134. of course, but it still was nothing like the challenges of her predesesors

Hell, that is just my perspective which won't even buy you a cup of coffee

[Left coast liberal]

129. Very nicely stated. I agree!

And, here's to Hillary who will have a long and successful career going forward. We need fighters like her in this party.

Cheers to you, Hillary!

[goodgd_yall]

131. Unfortunately for the next woman to run,

her campaign will be compared to Clinton's ad nauseum. That will be the next hurdle for a woman presidential candidate to jump.

But, on the up side, it is great that in our lifetime we have seen a woman presidential candidate break down barriers of opposition to a woman as a presidential nominee. Thank you for posting this.

[EFerrari]

133. Oh, of course -- you're right! It will be idealized and mythologized

and if we're lucky, commercialized. lol

But IT WILL STILL BE THERE. And, to my mind, that's a big deal. :)

[goodgd_yall]

142. I may well be idealized, but

I was thinking more that HRC's campaign would be recalled as a disaster and the next woman candidate will be faced with constant forebodings about her campaign going down the tubes like Hillary's.

[EFerrari]

143. The details, imho, will fade for most people. They'll remember

the images of her speaking and shaking hands and debating. Gore Vidal calls us the United States of Amnesia. Amnesia can be a good thing in small doses.

[myrna minx]

132. I agree with your sentiments.

Congratulations to you Senator Clinton and her supporters for her win this evening. It is undeniable that she has opened doors for women in this country, and has showed the world that the United States is ready to have a woman President and for that I give her much respect. I truly hope she ends her candidacy on a high note, for she stands on the shoulders of giants and I hope for all of our sake that she does them proud.

[EFerrari]

135. Exactly.

:toast:

[JerseygirlCT]

136. Yes, well said! nt

[Shae]

137. Very nice and positive post.

I hope that soon a lot of posts around here will be more like yours.

:yourock:

[Rhiannon12866]

138. K&R, Beth. And thank you. I couldn't agree more...

:hi:

[David Zephyr]

139. I'm hoping she will end on a high note.

Her "hard working white American" comment within the last 48 hours was in keeping with the low notes of the last few months.

That said, my sister (who supports Obama enthusiastically) voted for Hillary. I was proud she did so.

It was more than just symbolism. She beat all the other candidates except Senator Obama.

She's opened a door that was shut and that will never be shut again. Still, I'm not happy with Bill and Hillary these days, but I applaud your decency and good spirit.

And on edit: K&R.

[EFerrari]

141. It is more than symbolism.

She helped a nation imagine a woman president. That's no small thing.

As to the other, I hope with you that's at an end.

[flyarm]

140. I belong to the oldest democratic womens club in the nation 2 years ago we had the 65th anniv party

I was on the planning committee for the party..we were able to display the original books documenting the clubs begining..

To all of our surprise..there were no women on the original board..not one..all were men..6 men started the club..as women were not allowed to start a political club in this USA...so the men were the surrogates who opened the club for the women..furthermore..the women were not allowed to have the meetings without the men being present.

We have two club members that are in their 90's of age..and they remembered it well.

The men had to run the meetings and had to be present for the women to assemble to have their meetings..

I was proud to be at the 65th Anniversary party of our Democratic Womens Club..and proud to be among women who fought for our rights before me...I respect them enormously.

Those women are my hero's

As Is Hillary..she has taken more bullshit than anyone should have to have dished out to them..and she has taken it with honor!

This woman was the First lady ...of the first Democrat in over 30 years to win two terms in the white house....no one candidate does this alone..

She is the first, first lady to not just win one Senate term but two and the second with a much larger winning percentage.

remember this ladies...

About Ginger Roger about Fred Astaire:

"Sure he was great, but don't forget Ginger Rogers did everything he did backwards . . . and in high heels!"

fly

[Sundoggy]

144. Hillary is a baritone!

There ain't a-gonna be any high notes from her.