It mustn't be Hillary

[SoCalDem]

I know that many people with hurt feelings will want to push for a 2nd place finish for Hillary, but it should not happen.. It cannot happen.

Politics making strange bedfellows is a common idea, and some may agree with it, but when you put these ideas into everyday language, even the densest among us have to see the logic in NOT choosing her.

Would a 2nd wife want the 1st wife living with them? telling her how to cook all his favorite meals? how to decorate the house? what he liked in bed? How would an arrangement like that work out?

Would a person buy a business, and then be expected to keep the management in place and have to continue to do things their way?

Would you buy a house, and then have to allow the former owners to stay there with you?

A Hillary vice-presidency would be perceived by many, in the same way as Cheney's was.. a conservatorship. She spent 16 months trying to push the message that he was NOT ready, UNqualified, LESS viable than McCain, ONLY capable of making speeches..and so on.

If he chose her, he would be weakening himself and proving her right. That is NOT a way anyone should have to start a presidency.

She spent almost her entire campaign , trashing HIM, and for her to expect the vice presidency, is tantamount to extortion, but even that is not a valid tactic now, since she has no real bargaining chips left to play. She can claim to have voters he "needs", but will they even vote for an Obama-Clinton ticket, when they had their hearts set on a Clinton-anybody but Obama ticket? If she has done her "job" well enough, the seeds of discontent will be in full-bloom by November, and those disgruntled Hillary-lovers may see her 2nd place position as an insult ...and they may not even vote.

This is also something Hillary knows too. The Clintons are life-long connivers. They say or do nothing "accidentally". All the so-called "gaffes" are carefully orchestrated phrases, targeted to a specific slice of the electorate. They know full-well that an Obama/Clinton ticket would mean a compromised presidency from the beginning, and usher in 4 years of second-guessing from the press. You have to know that every decision a President Obama made would be immediately followed by a gaggle of press, eagerly seeking out an all-too-willing Bill Clinton, for HIS take on things.

Hillary may see 2nd place as a way to try and repair the dismal relationship with the African-American community, but that ship has sailed. I can see NO help for HER...only harm to HIM. The people who left her because of the racist attacks would only see HIM lessened by kowtowing to her demand that he accept her on the ticket.

Choosing her also binds him to her debt and her low approval rate. He cannot count on her to help him win, because he knows how much SHE covets the job. A losing Obama-Clinton ticket, proves her right, and puts her in place to run an "I-told-You-So" campaign in '12. They BOTH know this.

I hope that he will resist the calls for him to add her to his ticket. It does him no good, and he should not be asked to rehabilitate HER reputation as reward for her insincere "help".

The time, effort and money he has spent on this campaign surely entitles him to choose whom he wants..and not have to accept damaged goods.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Not to mention that Obama would be throwing his winning message, "Change," under the bus.

[pompano]

2. Yea....

Does anyone else ever get the feeling that the media is going through a pseudo empty nest syndrome?

Like the parent that knows their child has just figured out who Santa Claus was all along? The fun is gone for both. Perhaps they are in denial and will try another round hoping against hope that the consumption of cookies and milk on Christmas Eve will be thought of as a mid-route snack for a jolly bearded sole and not the midnight snack for a parent? Not unlike the M$M and yet another election, the parent/parents/family/friend they try just one last chance to pull the wool over the eyes but, by the look on their face, even they know it's lame and desperate? And then reality sets in. They know that if they can't make a convincing argument that an 8 ft. swimming pool did come down the chimney, a rabbit hiding boiled eggs in the spring or a winged pixie buying a tooth from under a piller will be a harder sell? The fun they once enjoyed is being spoiled by rational thought and a mentally maturing audience that has been fooled one too many times.

When they start selling Hillary as Veep are they clinging to the thought they still dominate the reality and set the stage to try that one last Christmas to fool ya?

[SoCalDem]

3. oh my.. you reminded me of something in our family's past

We had a dog who was a rascal, so we had to put the easter baskets on the deck, or she would raid them during the night.

One Easter, I put the baskets out, and in the morning my sons ran out to see what they had from the EB..Well it SNOWED overnight, and they had soggy messes..but the youngest one said.. "Mom, you don't have to do this anymore..I know there's no easter Bunny".. I asked if his older brothers had tipped him off, and he said.. Nope.. There would have been rabbit tracks in the snow :evilgrin:

[pompano]

6. Thats funny.

Eventually my child realized that a fully assembled swing set wouldn't fit down a chimney in a house that didn't have a chimney. In Florida a space heater will work just fine.

I doubt the thought of looking for prints in the snow drifts crossed the mind. B-)

Even at my age I can't remember one White Christmas here in Florida. Perhaps sleet once or twice but never snow :-(

[Triana]

7. Exactly. And we NEED change. NOT another bu$h or Clinton....

..I agree that Hillary is a bad VP choice.

[Perry Logan]

4. You're just jealous because both Clintons have terrific records, and Obama does not.

[SoCalDem]

5. I think you forgot a few things

:sarcasm: & :rofl:

[cascadiance]

8. I guess if you like outsourced jobs from NAFTA, or consolidated media from the Telecomm Act...

... amongst other things, then they have "terrific records", but though they pale in comparison to Bush, they still have flaws, and that is what America wants to move away from! Unless of course you like Republican style of economics, etc.

[SoCalDem]

10. Exactly.. the whole goal of the DLC was to bridge the gap

between the D & the R parts of government. In theory it might have been a good idea, but once congress became majority R, it was all down hill after that..once concession after another... that;s how we got so many bad bills signed into law.. republicans are better at "deals"..:grr:

[Laurab]

9. I agree completely. K&R nt

[Texas Hill Country]

11. holy shit... second wife? that cooks HIS meals??? that is sexist as hell!!!! Hillary Clinton is

an incredible politician, legislator and human being.


that is so fucked I dont even know what to say