UH oh Clinton PLEDGED Delegate just switched to Obama

[Perky]

Even as an Obama support this is troubling.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/pledged-delegate-switches-to-obama.html

But then again Hillary said theat pledged delegates were fair game.

The question is was he poached?

If Clinton moves to replce him. Does she get criticized for hypocrisy.


If she lets him go does it start a cvil war for delegates and extend the race until Bloody Denver?

Does Obama say I don't want him?

Does he welcome him with open arms and start a cvil war for delegates and extend the race until Bloody Denver?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Oh, snap.

Even the loyalists are jumping ship.

[Perky]

2. Pledged Delegates exsist to support the view of the electorate as it percentaged out.

I Think this is legal but inappropriate and a dangerous precedent.

[helderheid]

4. ditto

[grantcart]

10. It is ironic that the only one that does think it is ok is Hillary Clinton

[Perky]

20. kick

[Perky]

21. .

[mohc]

3. It appears the Clinton campaign might not have fully vetted this delegate

"He had allowed his name to be listed as a supporter by the Obama campaign in December." At the very least his support for Clinton was somewhat weak.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. The Clinton campaign did something incompetently?

I'm shocked!

[Perky]

11. Yeah the Clinton campaign really did not do their homework on this one.

[AtomicKitten]

6. Clinton gave her blessing to free agents when she declared she's not above poaching delegates.

[gcomeau]

7. I'm not troubled by it at all.

When their OWN candidate declares, emphatically, that pledged delegates are allowed to change their minds as part of an attempt to try to reverse the course of the voting then I have to consider that expressly stated permission to her delegates to do exactly that if they feel the desire to.

If she hadn't tried to pull that one then this would make me uncomfortable, but as with most other misfortunes that have befallen her in this campaign she did this to herself and only has herself to blame.

[AllentownJake]

8. That's what happens

When you go for a name in an area instead of going for one of your loyal activist base as a delegate.

I think he should be forced to vote for Clinton however. Pledged Delegates are Pledged Delegates despiste what the Queen thinks.

[4themind]

9. About your question perky...

"The question is was he poached?"We'll I haven't seen evidence for it, and I don't think it's in our interests (or the party's interest)to speculate about it unless we see any (yeah appeal to ignorance perhaps but still it's not a conclusion,just a method for forming an opinion untill the facts are known)Poaching (or even switching) does very grave harm to the primary system and the justification for millions of americans who voted, it's just not worth it, and obama can win without them, I have that confidence. I wish he'd go back to clinton actually, because this could be the ONLY argument that would give her justification to go to the convention, which WOULD (if recent history is any guide) fuck this thing up for democrats (those who don't want mccain that is). I think obama should just say thanks for your support but we don't encourage the switching of pledged delegates (when their candidate has not conceded)

[Perky]

13. I agree with this nice strategic touch.

He does not need the lone delegate and it will trump Clinton's efforts to do the same at some point down the real. Makes hime look great and noble and her weasely if Ickes gets caught doing the same thing.

[JVS]

12. Oh noes!

[Occam Bandage]

14. That ain't right. Pledged delegates are pledged.

[democrattotheend]

15. If it's one delegate, I'm not too concerned

It sounds like this delegate decided on his own to switch. I think he's wrong to do that if he was elected as a Clinton supporter, but I guess he has the right to do that. If this starts happening with a lot of delegates it could be evidence of poaching. But it's believable that one delegate could decide to switch of his own volition, or be a stealth Obama supporter all along who slipped under the radar.

[charlie]

16. Satisfying as it might be

this guy really needs to be taken aside and learned a thing or two. I hope he gets an earful from the people who entrusted him with their votes.

[Lady-Damai]

17. I agree. Not cool. n/t

[Perky]

18. SO HOW DOES THIS PLAY OUT?

If Clinton moves to replce him. Does she get criticized for hypocrisy.


If she lets him go does it start a cvil war for delegates and extend the race until Bloody Denver?

Does Obama say I don't want him?

Does he welcome him with open arms and start a cvil war for delegates and extend the race until Bloody Denver?

[mohc]

19. I don't think she can replace him at this point

From the Maryland Delegate Selection rules:

The State Chair shall convey to the presidential candidate, or that candidate’s
authorized representative(s), no later than April 21, 2008, a list of all persons who
have filed pledged to that presidential candidate. Each presidential candidate, or
his authorized representative(s), must then file with the State Chair by 5:00 p.m.
on April 26, 2008 a list of all such candidates he or she has approved, provided
that approval is given to at least three times the number of candidates for delegate
and alternate slots to be selected. Failure to respond will be deemed approval of
all delegate and alternate candidates submitted to the presidential candidate, or
the authorized representative(s), unless signified otherwise in writing to the State
Chair no later than April 26, 2008.

The candidate's right of review ends a specific date depending on the state, for Maryland that day has passed.

[reflection]

22. This is not kosher. Obama should reject this guy. n/t

[Egnever]

23. Ugh as much as i like it,,,,,Convention floor fight here we come.