What's the deal with NoQuarter and Hillaryis44? (Particularly curious what Clinton supporters think)

[democrattotheend]

I don't visit those sites often, but I was looking at them recently, and I couldn't get over some of the comments. Are these really Democratic sites, or are they all freeper trolls pretending to be Democrats? Larry Johnson calls himself a Democrat but just about every post on his site is anti-Obama...I don't think I've seen anything that criticizes McCain. Some of the comments on those sites look like they are right out of Free Republic:

The Communistic MSM is why their is such a negative attitude to HRC. Propoganda goes a long way… just ask Jos Goerbels (HOw ever the hell you spell it) and der furher!

Dawnelle — I hope you’re right. I just hope the Media makes its usual right turn. But my question is who gave Obama 250 Mill. We have spoken of moneys coming from rich muslims. So whose side will the media be on in the GE.

Barack Hussein Obama. The First Affirmative Action President. NOT!!!!!!!!

1. I think everyone is forgetting that Obama actually campaigned in 2006 for his cousin knowing full well that he would inact Sharia Law which makes all women wear Burkas in public.

Yup it crossed my mind. I have a bead on several republican blogs that mentioned they troll around. Let them. I am willing to do whatever it takes to defeat Obama, so who cares.

Whenever I post I refer to him as Barack Hussein Obama, that is his legal name. I don’t care if it is xenophobic or not. The goal is to take him down.

Most of the people at these sites seem to think Obama getting elected would be worse than McCain winning...some of them have said they will actively donate to and campaign for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. I even saw one comment from someone who said they would donate to any 527 group that was working to Swiftboat Obama.

I have seen plenty of people on both sides say they won't vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not their candidate. I disagree with that, but I can understand not wanting to pull the lever for a candidate you don't respect. But there's a big difference between refusing to vote for a candidate and donating to a 527 group to help them swiftboat a Democratic candidate. I have seen plenty of people at Kos and here trash Hillary and say they won't vote for her if she is the nominee, but I have never seen anyone say they would donate to an anti-Clinton swiftboat group or to McCain. That just seems so extreme to me. I am curious what the Clinton supporters here think about that. Are these people Democrats, or just Republicans posing as Democrats to cause trouble?

[sniffa]

1. And there's a DUer here who most likely posted that

I've seen her post it almost word for word here, and mostly at the super secret site.

[democrattotheend]

13. I think I know which one

Does it rhyme it Mellurian?

[sniffa]

15. Is Barack Hussein Osama running for president?

:hi:

[jakem]

41. LOL!

Hellurian?

[Kittycat]

2. Hillis44 is a racist hate site. I don't know about the other one - haven't been there.

[DemVet]

12. Proof?

[Kittycat]

14. There's no need to repost the racist trash.

Just search DU for "Harold Ford park my car" you'll find plenty under that.

[madrchsod]

19. ahhh no...it`s not a racist hate site

stormfront is a racist hate site...hillary is 44 is close but not as bad as any aryan nations site

[krkaufman]

28. One needed be the *most* vile racist hate site ...

... to have crossed the threshold for being *a* racist hate site. (perhaps with the/a difference being between descriptive adjectives and branding)

[democrattotheend]

36. The posts don't seem racist and they're not all hateful. But the comments are disgusting.

[babylonsister]

3. You don't really need to repost the hate here; most DUers are aware

of those sites. These are the Hillary bloggers. Classy, aren't they.

[democrattotheend]

4. I just went to Hillaryis44 for the first time. Scary stuff!

Are these people really Democrats? They sound like hatemongers. I have a hard time believing that they are actually Clinton supporters.

[babylonsister]

8. Yep. That's what we're dealing with at those sites, which is why

I refuse to go there, and get so angry when their shit is posted here.

[democrattotheend]

11. I'm just curious what the Clinton supporters here think

Some of the Clinton supporters here seem like genuine Democrats, and I am curious what they think of these sites. I hope these people are not really Democrats and are not representative of Democrats..if they are Obama is going to have a tough time in the fall.

[mmonk]

5. No quarter is Larry Johnson's site.

Former CIA who doesn't like bush but doesn't like some democrats or whistleblowers either. He lost it awhile back.

[krkaufman]

29. He may not like him now.... but he voted for him when it mattered in 2000. n/t

[DJ13]

6. This is one benefit to Hillary losing to Obama

It has uncovered the freepers that have been masquerading as Democrats under the DLC banner since the early 90's.

[democrattotheend]

7. Are these people even DLC Democrats?

The DLC Democrats I know in real life are nothing like this. These people just seem like agitators...I wonder if any of them have ever even voted Democratic in their lives.

[DJ13]

18. I think a great many of them are DLC, and others are recent converts

One thing I always thought in the 90's was that the bitter fighting between the Clintons and the GOP was a smokescreen for a symbiotic relationship to accomplish a set of goals both sides wanted.

It was the political equivalent to a WWF match with a pre-determined "winner".

The better Bill looked to the voters the more Republican inspired legislation he signed into law.

I think the diehard freepers knew the score, and moved to supporting Hillary after their initial choice (Rudy) dropped out.

[LTR]

38. What's shocking are the sites I once liked...

...that seemed to have gone back on everything they stood for. Sites like Make Them Accountable, which has evolved from a decent clearing house of links to non-stop Obama bashing. I really don't see how Carolyn Kay must think she's making more friends when she refers to the majority of her site's supporters as cultists and neocon plants. It's downright insulting, and I'm not afraid of calling her out on it. I subscribe to the daily email headline updates, and I can't even read them anymore, since the so-called "media headlines" she sends out read like they were sent from the RNC. Carolyn knows better and should be ashamed of herself.

Bartcop used to mock and rally incessantly against 'pink tu-tu' Democrats who supported the Iraq War and Bush's agenda. I guess given the choice of voting for the most 'tu-tu' of them all versus a (gasp) black man is more appealing to him. We all know much he rips on Tiger Woods.

It's Hillary or hell for these people, and they don't seem to be open to even supporting the eventual nominee, if it is indeed Obama. Now, I'm not ripping on Clinton supporters here, but if these people consider themselves 'progressives,' then they're going back on their principles, and driving away the people who have supported them.

[newmajority]

9. Larry Johnson is no Democrat

He was a warmongering FAUX Noize shill until the Bush Crime Family sold out his friend (and CIA "classmate") Valerie Plame. He's not on our side, nor are any members of the CIA.

Nobody who knows the history of that organization could possibly mistake them for "heroes". They are not now, nor have they ever been, an organization which operates in the best interests of the American people.

Corporations, yes. Wall Street banks, definitely. The "defense" industry? Hell, they created it. But the people? Fuck no.

[democrattotheend]

17. That's good to know

With "Democrats" like him who needs Republicans?

[cascadiance]

27. I find it interesting the "split" in the intelligence community...

On the one hand, you have Larry Johnson, and Joe Wilson both siding with Hillary Clinton. And on the other you have FBI whistelblower Sibel Edmonds calling Hillary Clinton early on (along with Joseph Lieberman before the 2006 election) one of her "Dirty Dozen", which meant she felt them no friends to intelligence whistleblower community. I find that kind of interesting.

Also interesting that Dennis Hastert dropped the Armenian genocide resolution at the last minute in the House, claiming he did so because Bill Clinton advised him not to to not upset relations with their ally (Turkey), and yet it seems strongly the REAL reason he did so was that he was being bribed to do so by a lot of small Turkish donations. If the latter was the case, don't you think that the Clintons would have called Hastert out on his "smoke screen" unless they were involved with it too? And the Clintons originally appointed Marc Grossman (who was likely the person who really outed Valerie Plame) and who was an earlier chum of Joseph Wilson. Marc Wilson is also the most strongly mentioned likely "traitor" who gave away WMD secrets to Pakistan via Turkey (and perhaps Israel too).

[EFerrari]

10. Ignorance, stupidity, bigotry -- they have it all.

:wow:

[parasim]

16. That's 2 of at least 4 anti-Obama attack sites supposedly run by Democrats...

that I've seen rear their heads here on DU.

I'm curious, have there been any anti-Hillary sites run by Democrats spotted? I haven't seen any.

[democrattotheend]

20. Not that I know of

Kos and some of the other liberal blogs have some posters who are pretty negative on Hillary, sometimes to excess IMO, but I have not seen anyone on Kos say that they plan to vote for McCain or donate money to 527's to swiftboat any Democrat.

[parasim]

24. Yeah sure, there's that on Kos to an extent and some here as well... but I mean...

sites that are pretty much dedicated to trashing Hillary that are run by so-called "Democrats" that it seems like that is on the only reason they exist. You know, like T Marsh, these two mentioned and others that for all intents and purposes exist to simply trash Obama and seldom lay a finger on McCain.

[krkaufman]

30. I'm surprised you have received any responses, yet ...

... along the lines of "DU", "DailyKos", "HuffingtonPost", "Air America", etc....

[backscatter712]

21. They're freepers or they're schizophrenic.

But I'm being redundant.

[DemGa]

22. You don't have to sign up at No Quarter

Just post - though I don't know how it's moderated. That would explain a lot.

And I seriously doubt that freeperville can surpass the Clinton hate I've seen expressed on DU.

[democrattotheend]

23. I posted there a couple times

Just to show them that not all Obama supporters are Clinton haters. I've seen some anti-Clinton stuff that I thought was way out of bounds, but I have never seen an Obama supporter say they would donate to McCain if Clinton were nominated.

[Carni]

26. You're not kidding...

I am not blaming the admins but this site is full of Hillary haters...it reads like freakrepublic.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. The site that bothers me the most

is the message board now associated with Wes Clark's organization, Securing America. The message board, CCN, started up when Clark began his campaign in late '03. I was an enthusiastic supporter of Clark at the time and an active participant on that board. It was pretty typical of candidates' message boards. After Clark dropped out in February of '04 it continued on. Then, when Securing America (whose purpose was and is mainly to promote the candidacies of Democratic military veterans) started up it kept going, and for awhile the remaining participants were trying to encourage Clark to run again. After Clark endorsed Clinton CCN became an ardently pro-Hillary site (not surprisingly), but the level of vitriol leveled at Obama by some posters is sometimes as bad as what we see on Hillaryis44. Here's an example:

Submitted by Tega on May 11, 2008 - 10:40pm.

If O is on the ticket
I may even volunteer time to work against him no matter who his VP is.
Hillary better be our President!
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Submitted by Jack Ryan on May 11, 2008 - 11:10pm.

Amen Sister
Ain't no way that criminal is going to be our president!
Anybody but Obama 08!!
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To be fair, not all of the posts are this extreme (and the ensuing post criticized these comments), but the general tone is consistently nasty and dismissive toward Obama. They are huge fans of Taylor Marsh. I find it kind of depressing that the web site of a candidate that I once supported so enthusiastically, and still respect a great deal, is being used for such divisive, nasty purposes. I wonder if Clark ever reads it or is aware of the sort of comments that are being posted on a web site his organization sponsors?

[Catherina]

31. That's disappointing. I don't think he's aware of that n/t

[FrenchieCat]

33. You are right Ocelot.......sadly.

But there aren't that many people that post there anymore, but some that do have really lost their way.

If you look at the articles posted on the right side of the site, most are old and the site doesn't get updated very often....

And I used to be part of that site going back to before it was even there! I remember when it was a place full of vitality, that always wanted the opinions posted to reflect those of the General. I hope that is still not the case, because if that site now reflects on General Clark, that's not good.

It is very disappointing, as I used to give to his pac every quarter.

I think most of the better posters have left there. What's left are those who wanted Clark to become Veep to Hillary so badly, to make up for the fact that they had campaigned for him in one form or another for so very long...... and she seemed like such a shoe in (Clark endorsed her in October, so that was like extra early) till I think the turn of events has blown their mind completely!

Ironically, most didn't like Hillary much at all, when Clark was still going to run. That's what makes this even weirder.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. I think it's just a few hangers-on now,

but it's sad to see how extreme some of them have become. The reason for CCN's continued existence isn't clear, since Clark is no longer running for anything, and until he endorsed Clinton it was operating mainly as a Clark fan club. I think some of its members had never recovered from 2004. I just wonder how they would react if Obama chose Clark as his running mate?

[workinclasszero]

32. I think they are McCain fronts

As soon as the Dem big shots stage an intervention and get Hillary out these so-called "democratic" sites will show their true colors and embrace Mr 100 year war.

[FrenchieCat]

34. They'll probably show themselves to be anti choice neocons!

Just like McCain is. LOL!

[JVS]

35. Those miscreants at that site are human garbage.

And I use the term human loosely.

[democrattotheend]

39. I just hope they are not reflective of most Clinton supporters.

If they are Obama has no chance of winning.

[mckeown1128]

40. Here is a copy of a post I did about Taylor Marsh's pro hillary site.

First sweetie-gate:

-now he calls a woman SWEETIE??? Who the f*** does he think he is??? This is UNACCEPTABLE.

-I'll bet he harrasses his lady office workers this way also..I call this sexual harrassment..I hope Hannity or someone anti-Obama passes this on..Misogyny and sexism at its worse

-I don't trust a media that has piled on Senator Clinton like a gang rape

(Notice how sweetie is "UNACCEPTABLE" but gang rape references... are ok. I also love the plea for Hannity to push the story.)


On Obama supporters

-It's like a freakshow.

-God, I don't want to wake up in a country with a god-emperor and cadres of his sacred followers out patrolling the place for groupthink.

-These folks are similar to the mindset of Phelps Family.

-I believe he has a lot of young people following him, that are very militant, and looking to make a name, for themselves, and they will do Obama' bidding in whatever he says. So if I'm not mistaken, if I'm a house ni**er than they may take me out, because I won't go along with Obama and his henchmen

(I took down this posters name so they can be "taken out" upon Obama's inaguration)

-This is really getting too weird - the mind control. I mean, it's a reality. I do believe that Obama is a cult. It isn't rational. It's like a vortex, sucking people in. They don't have facts. And they don't need them.

(Vortex...sucking....me....in.......help...meeee....hel.. .. .. ..uhhh Obama 08 Obama 08 Obama 08)


Opinions of Obama

-Obama is certianly anti-american

-Obama is scarier than George Bush.

-No wonder Obama has no qualms about talking to Kim Jong Il. Probably wants pointers.

-HE IS PLAYING THE UNDERDOG CARD ON ONE HAND, BUT HIS SINSITER CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO CUT INTO HER LEAD ON THE OTHER.

(Darn that Obama wanting to cut into Hillary's lead while lowering expectations.... SINISTER... this next poster doesn't know what a "community organizer" is)

-Obama is a person who has basically coasted in life. After getting out of law school, he became a "community organizer," whatever that means.

(This next poster knows)

-As a community organizer his status was that of "AGITATER"


Obama is a homosexual and a murderer:

-I don't know if everyone is familiar with Larry Sinclair, but he is the man who indicated that he had at least two sexual encounters with Barack Obama, that also included the use of cocaine. Evidently, there was person by the name of Donald Young, who was a member of the choir of the church to which Barack Obama belongs. He was murdered, and there is some suspicion that it may involve Barack Obama in some way. Donald Young MAY have had a sexual relationship with Barack Obama.

(Obama had gay sex!!!!... but wait.. I thought Obama was supposed to be a gay basher... I love when they get their talking points mixed up. It reminds me of the repukes attacking Obama for his christian preacher while ALSO pushing that he is a muslim. Anyway, apparently Sinclair failed the poligraph tests that were supposed to prove that he really did have sex with Obama... but what does that disprove )

-One more thing, the story has not been debunked. There are certain websites that have a problem with the way the polygraph tests were given, including who gave the tests, and that certain pieces of information might not have come to light concerning the results. I never knew this, but evidently lie detector tests are pretty worthless.


Racist undertones:

-An Obama administration will be a disaster. Race relations will significantly worsen when Obama is perceived as giving preferential treatment to African Americans over other citizens. Foreign relations with many allies will also worsen when he ignores Europe, Asia and Latin and South America in favor of Africa due to his Afrocentric advisers like Wright. The Middle East will also worsen when Israel becomes more reluctant to cooperate with the US after Obama shows his preference for supporting Hamas.

-BO's biggest supporters are african americans and young college kids. Neither group is loaded with money, so how has has BO raised these record setting fund raising numbers that are off the charts to anything we have EVER seen before ...We all know the answer to that down deep .... The middle east ...


Crazy ass rant, but funny:

-Senator Obama has many supporters and admirers. To delusional Obamanics he is the Messiah; to the Kennedy cabal he is a puppet they can control; to Republican Senators he is a wobbly diletante; to the Republican National Committee he is the opponent they salivate to run against: to Matthews he is the one night stand he lusts for; to Olberman he is cheaper than Viagra and faster than Vodka; to the Illinois Combine he is the man who will take them nationwide La Costa Nostra style; to his bloody relative in Kenya he is the shield they need; to GE controlled networks (NBC, MSNBC) he is the asset they promote for profit and market share but will never vet; to plutocrats he is the unending free ride; to the Goose Lake Crowd and other shadowy financial bildergergers he is access, influence and favors; to average Americans he is someone who will abandon them to the withering forces of globalization and advise them to endeavor to persevere; to opponents he is someone who will play the race card whenever he is challenged; to whites he will talk like Martin Luther King but behave like Malcom X; to discerning women he will never be their friend;


and finaly the cherry on the sunday:

-Hillary's supporters are the unity side of the party